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    Post  Militarov on Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:35 pm

    Isos wrote:
    When you know they produced fighters, war ships ... and now they have issues with a rocket, that's sad. If your engineers have issues with physic laws then you can blame just your eduction programs ...


    Produced fighters that werent much of a fighters you know, and that had major issues of their own. And alot of it was licenced. J-22 isnt the shiniest apple in the basket. And you need to understand that Yugoslavia had 25,5 million citizens, and had about 350 companies that directly worked on defence programs. Today you have shrinking Serbia with barely 7 million citizens and no more than dozen companies with permanent defence programs. And those are still producing mostly items that were developed back then. Our major overhaul facility for fighters can overhaul 2 fighters a year, and it used to overhaul dozens.

    Physics is not the problem, they all know it very well, issues are of technical nature.
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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  Militarov on Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:37 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Wouldn't it be in Serbia's best interest then to do lots of JV with lets say Russia, Belarus and others in order to get a cut out of the defense spending pie and as well gain access to the needed tech for their own use?

    What we do the best is to buy items from Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, France, Israel, Slovenia, Netherlands...and who not, then glue it all together and claim its our product Very Happy

    What we could possibly offer to Russia for them to be interested in? Very little really.

    On other hand we are, liked it or not, procuring and exporting materials used in defence indstry from and to, Ukraine. Company in my city is doing some precise tooling for Ukrainians.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:19 am

    While its understandable that they lost a lot of its manufacturing capabilities since the Yugoslavia dissolving, it would have been a pretty good opportune time for Serbia to look at partners in middle east and Asia whom would have been happy to obtain some co development in producing Serbian equipment. Even that alone would have saved billions and both parties could get what they need, while what little is left of Serbian mil manufacturing could actually thrive.

    Was it Iraq who was purchasing the M-21 Zastava? What was the overall thought on these rifles?
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    Post  Militarov on Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:44 am

    miketheterrible wrote:While its understandable that they lost a lot of its manufacturing capabilities since the Yugoslavia dissolving, it would have been a pretty good opportune time for Serbia to look at partners in middle east and Asia whom would have been happy to obtain some co development in producing Serbian equipment. Even that alone would have saved billions and both parties could get what they need, while what little is left of Serbian mil manufacturing could actually thrive.

    Was it Iraq who was purchasing the M-21 Zastava? What was the overall thought on these rifles?

    Well regarding aviation industry, we have just remains of the remains. So on that field we would need a miracle, not partners Very Happy

    It was Iraq, yes, certain amounts. It was also obtained by Armenia (Special forces), Azerbaijan (special forces), Macedonia (special forces), Bosnia and Herzegovina (special police forces), Cameroon (special police forces), some token amounts were also exported to Peru, Jordan, Angola...

    General response from our army was...not that great. Its good system, however rifle in general had spotty and sloppy production quality and ergonomic flaws compared to products its supposed to compete with. That is the reason why army stopped procuring them and now are waiting for "new rifle", this modular thingie they are trying to push now into service with special brigade.
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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:55 am

    Militarov wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:While its understandable that they lost a lot of its manufacturing capabilities since the Yugoslavia dissolving, it would have been a pretty good opportune time for Serbia to look at partners in middle east and Asia whom would have been happy to obtain some co development in producing Serbian equipment. Even that alone would have saved billions and both parties could get what they need, while what little is left of Serbian mil manufacturing could actually thrive.

    Was it Iraq who was purchasing the M-21 Zastava? What was the overall thought on these rifles?

    Well regarding aviation industry, we have just remains of the remains. So on that field we would need a miracle, not partners Very Happy

    It was Iraq, yes, certain amounts. It was also obtained by Armenia (Special forces), Azerbaijan (special forces), Macedonia (special forces), Bosnia and Herzegovina (special police forces), Cameroon (special police forces), some token amounts were also exported to Peru, Jordan, Angola...

    General response from our army was...not that great. Its good system, however rifle in general had spotty and sloppy production quality and ergonomic flaws compared to products its supposed to compete with. That is the reason why army stopped procuring them and now are waiting for "new rifle", this modular thingie they are trying to push now into service with special brigade.

    What particular spotty quality was it? And what kind of issues did it create?  The rest seem kinda aesthetic IMO but hey, if they are going to spend the money, understandable that they better get the best.  Was a cool looking rifle.  I am actually liking the look of this new one.  So hope to hear about the results on this.

    I imagine the Aerospace took the biggest hit. That is why I am saying more about ground based systems. Serbia is rather a small country to be producing all types of new systems, but even coming up with a multirole aircraft would be ideal, even if they do JV's with multiple countries. Wishful thinking, I know.
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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  Militarov on Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:10 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:While its understandable that they lost a lot of its manufacturing capabilities since the Yugoslavia dissolving, it would have been a pretty good opportune time for Serbia to look at partners in middle east and Asia whom would have been happy to obtain some co development in producing Serbian equipment. Even that alone would have saved billions and both parties could get what they need, while what little is left of Serbian mil manufacturing could actually thrive.

    Was it Iraq who was purchasing the M-21 Zastava? What was the overall thought on these rifles?

    Well regarding aviation industry, we have just remains of the remains. So on that field we would need a miracle, not partners Very Happy

    It was Iraq, yes, certain amounts. It was also obtained by Armenia (Special forces), Azerbaijan (special forces), Macedonia (special forces), Bosnia and Herzegovina (special police forces), Cameroon (special police forces), some token amounts were also exported to Peru, Jordan, Angola...

    General response from our army was...not that great. Its good system, however rifle in general had spotty and sloppy production quality and ergonomic flaws compared to products its supposed to compete with. That is the reason why army stopped procuring them and now are waiting for "new rifle", this modular thingie they are trying to push now into service with special brigade.

    What particular spotty quality was it? And what kind of issues did it create?  The rest seem kinda aesthetic IMO but hey, if they are going to spend the money, understandable that they better get the best.  Was a cool looking rifle.  I am actually liking the look of this new one.  So hope to hear about the results on this.

    Corrosive protection wasnt adequate, plastic wasnt all that great, chrome lining in barrel wasnt great... heat threatment wasnt good enough... list goes on, depending on series. Optronics were basically not issued at all even tho the rifle was developed from the start to be used with optics and not iron sights, plastic magazine was an absolute garbage...

    One of the officers during my service got M-21 and kept it in his locker, took it out on firing range one day and showed it to us, he personally wasnt satisfied with stock, as it was too short for him, as he was quite big man. For me it was okay, yet again abit short as i did not have my vest on. Later he showed us how drop of sweat (probably) fell on it after it was cleaned, while it was taken to the locker, and rust appeared after day or two. That sort of shouldnt happen.

    In general majority of our specialised units doesnt use it, they use either foreign rifles or M-70 variants for every day use.

    I am to be honest abit afraid
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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:18 am

    So the good old M-70 is still preferred by most?

    The ministry made it clear to Zastava over these issues, yes? If so, they "promised" to at least fix these issues in next rifle, yes?

    I have nothing but high respect for Serbia's defense capabilities even for the current state it is in and the size of the nation. I just hope to see one day a growing and thriving defense industry there. Personally, if their products were exported even here for civil consumption I know I would invest in one.
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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:42 am

    Most weapons have problems in the field... the key is for the makers to look at their products in service and to listen to feedback from users and make changes to solve problems...
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    While its understandable that they lost a lot of its manufacturing capabilities since the Yugoslavia dissolving

    Post  Militarov on Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:16 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:So the good old M-70 is still preferred by most?

    The ministry made it clear to Zastava over these issues, yes?  If so, they "promised" to at least fix these issues in next rifle, yes?

    I have nothing but high respect for Serbia's defense capabilities even for the current state it is in and the size of the nation.  I just hope to see one day a growing and thriving defense industry there.  Personally, if their products were exported even here for civil consumption I know I would invest in one.

    Yeah, M-70 is widespread even in specialised units, especially for "every day" use. They exist in significant quantities and ammo is plentiful. M-70AB2 has its issues too, bad stock most notably, as its quite wobbly on rifles that were used. But in general its not bad rifle.

    Well... i guess so, not that i know for sure that someone protested over M-21 issues, but since they are making new rifles i suppose thats the reason.

    Zastava has good tradition, decent quality, however its far from what it was some 30 years ago. They still produce very fine hunting carabines for an example. Even Remington is buying Zastava components for themself.

    Zastava is aside the Bulgarian Arsenal, probably the most famous and widespread producer of "sovietized" small arms in the United States.
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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:08 am

    Pretty interesting....sort of a mini cruise missile riding on top of a MRL round

    Serbia unveils new Kosava-1 precision-guided missile
    http://defence-blog.com/army/serbia-unveils-new-kosava-1-precision-guided-missile.html

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    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:36 pm

    Demonstration of Serbian weapons to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu

    The Ministry of Defense of Russia posted on its website photos on the results of a visit to Serbia by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. A number of them are of particular interest, since they show individual samples of armaments of local production. The acquaintance with the Serbian technique took place at the Batajnica airbase. The well-known Serbian military expert Svetozar Jokanovic gave our blog necessary explanations regarding the submitted samples.


    In this photo, in the foreground, the ATGM 9M14 Malyutka (modifications 2F (with a high-explosive warhead) or 2T (with a tandem warhead) and 2T5 - a rocket with an increased range of fire) are seen in the foreground. In the background, the products of the Serbian company Kurshik are visible - mortar mines of 60, 81/82 and 120 mm caliber, as well as grenades (next to Sergei Shoigu) M-75 and M-84 (c) Russian Ministry of Defense


    In this photo, inert samples of the long-range long-range missile "Koshava 1" EK1-2017 equipped with feathers are visible. It is interesting that the tests of the missile system are planned in Pakistan, since Serbia does not have the appropriate ranges. Pakistan, apparently, will become the first export customer of the system (c) Russian Ministry of Defense

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2914919.html
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:15 am

    Serbia's military industry seems to be showing more serious "signs of life" for the first time since the break up of Yugoslavia

    Work is underway on an upgraded version of the J-22 Orao (Eagle) strike aircraft currently dubbed as Orao 2.0
    Currently only the several 2 seat NJ-22 aircraft are planned for the upgrade.

    Basicaly, the aircraft is to receive new avionics enabling use at night and bad weather and a range of new guided weaponry.



    ..

    R-60MK SR-AAM, TV guided missile VRVZ-200, Laser Guided Bomb LVB-250


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    M-16D guided rocket that can be launched from a quadruple or single tube launcher


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    M-16D + AGM-65 Maverick


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    Jammer RADEOM-1


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    GROM-B modified domestic version of the Kh-23

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    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:32 am

    Its mostly just buckets of paint and glue tbh. As i worked for a while on certain things for SDPR i can tell you that majority of these projects will end up on that.. projects, papers... mockups... Smile
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:02 am

    We shall see...when were you working there?
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    Post  Militarov on Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:48 am

    Cyberspec wrote:We shall see...when were you working there?

    I was contractor actually. 2012-2015. on few occasions.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:48 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:We shall see...when were you working there?

    I was contractor actually. 2012-2015. on few occasions.

    if Serbia decided to put money towards development, would it take long to produce working examples of these new systems showcased? What about steady production?
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    Post  Militarov on Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:21 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:We shall see...when were you working there?

    I was contractor actually. 2012-2015. on few occasions.

    if Serbia decided to put money towards development, would it take long to produce working examples of these new systems showcased? What about steady production?

    Most of the things you saw there are actually working examples, however serial production and severing reliance on import components and materials is totally different story. And ironing out issues is not easy as we lost alot of know-how during last 25 years.

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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:14 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Avion

    @Militarov Do you think this plane would have been good enough compare to other fighters of its class ? Did they sold its plans to China for J-10 ?
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    Post  Militarov on Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:02 pm

    Isos wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Avion

    @Militarov Do you think this plane would have been good enough compare to other fighters of its class ? Did they sold its plans to China for J-10 ?

    It would never reach the maturity of F-16 or Gripen most likely. But it would have been good enough replacement for MiG-21s yugoslavia used.

    No, it was in early stages of development when it was scrapped and pushed aside. There was nothing China would have been interested into.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:23 pm

    I still think Serbia and Belarus should do a joint arms industry. Serbia could focus on certain areas, Belarus like wise and anything missing they could do joint venture even bringing in Russia and China on ad hoc basis for expertise and parts. It would likely reduce Serbia's parts pool down to max 3 countries (the ones mentioned ) cost sharing on design, research and production would help both countries and could even help China and Russia with research costs for similar equipment that they are designing. And Could for closer ties. Some of the serbian and Belarusian equipment isn't that bad just lack of funds and export market. Belarus faces same problems. India could also be potential partner on ad hoc basis.
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    Post  Militarov on Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:59 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:I still think Serbia and Belarus should do a joint arms industry. Serbia could focus on certain areas, Belarus like wise and anything missing they could do joint venture even bringing in Russia and China on ad hoc basis for expertise and parts. It would likely reduce Serbia's parts pool down to max 3 countries (the ones mentioned ) cost sharing on design, research and production would help both countries and could even help China and Russia with research costs for similar equipment that they are designing. And Could for closer ties. Some of the serbian and Belarusian equipment isn't that bad just lack of funds and export market. Belarus faces same problems. India could also be potential partner on ad hoc basis.

    Serbia uses Belarusian components.. but we so do import components from Ukraine, Russia...France, Israel, Germany, Sweden... Netherlands...Austria...Slovenia... Italy, Bosnia and Herzegovina.... UK... USA.... well... basically everywhere.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:43 pm

    Serbia’s first HAPS, new UAVs, unveiled by CTT at SEAS

    The second Southeast Europe Aviation Summit (SEAS), held in Belgrade, Serbia, on 8 and 9 March, saw the unveiling of three new innovative unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) currently under development by Belgrade-based Composite Technology Team (CTT).

    Chief among these was a high-altitude pseudo satellite (HAPS) named Pupin after the Serbian-American scientist Mihajlo Pupin. A solar-powered UAV designed to fly at altitudes of 20,000 m, Pupin is intended to stay airborne for months while carrying various payloads, such as telecommunications equipment and surveillance sensors.

    “We are one of only five companies worldwide that are currently working on developing HAPS and we hope that very soon we will begin testing our system in order to prove the concept and proceed with the follow-on development of Pupin for executing a wide variety of military and civilian missions,” Petar Matunovic, CTT aerospace engineer and CEO told Jane’s at SEAS.

    Matunovic explained that CTT is looking to partner with reliable companies from the aviation industry to further boost its work on Pupin as well as the company’s other two ongoing UAV projects: the NT155 and the NT161 (the NT designations are a tribute to the Serbian-American scientist Nikola Tesla).

    Presented in model form at SEAS, the NT155 is a medium-altitude long-endurance (MALE) UAV with an airframe made entirely from advanced composites. This allows a complex aerodynamic shape and light weight while offering the structural strength required to facilitate wing-mounted hardpoints for weapons, electro-optical payloads, or auxiliary fuel tanks. The system is still in the design phase but is expected to have a maximum take-off weight (MTOW) of 1,000 kg, a cruising speed of 140 km/h, and an operational endurance of at least 16 hours.
    (Pics on link)
    Http://www.janes.com/article/78475/serbia-s-first-haps-new-uavs-unveiled-by-ctt-at-seas?utm_campaign=PC6110_E18%20DF%20NL%20Airforces%2013_03_18&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua
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    Post  Isos on Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:06 pm

    https://www.facebook.com/tankchaser/photos/a.255913211608579.1073742207.179946025871965/292598177940082/?type=3&theater wrote:Serbia Develops State-of-the-Art, Armata-Style Battle Tank
    A concept of the Russian Armata-like “Serbian tank of the future”, the М-20UP-1, has reportedly been presented at the Partner 2015 military exhibition in Belgrade.
    Serbia has presented a concept of the М-20UP-1, the country’s “tank of the future”, at the Partner 2015 military exhibition in Belgrade. Designers said that they were inspired by the Russian-made Armata tank when developing the М-20UP-1, according to the Serbian news website Vecernje Novosti Online.The project cost of the production of one M-20UP-1 stands at five million euros.
    Goran Stojanovic, head of the working group to develop the tank, said that the М-20UP-1 will not compete with the Armata tank.
    “Our tank will be closer to the [Russian-made] T-90 tank in terms of combat capabilities. We are short of money, and our economic potential is not developed enough to let us compete with the Russians. But by using a design [resembling] those of advanced tanks across the world, we have developed the weapon of the future: cheap, modern and efficient,” Stojanovic said.
    As in the T-14 Armata battle tank, the М-20UP-1’s crew of three is securely enclosed in a multi-layer armored capsule, separated from the ammunition container.
    The Serbian tank also features an unmanned, digitally controlled turret, which is remotely controlled by a crew member located in the aforementioned capsule.
    The tank’s 125mm smooth-bore gun is also digitally operated from the capsule via high-resolution cameras. The turret carries a total of 48 rounds of ammunition, including ready-to-use ones. The gun can also fire laser-guided missiles.The М-20UP-1 is equipped with electric transmission, which engineers said will help significantly reduce the power loss and will add to the tank’s stealth characteristics.
    It reportedly took eight months to finalize the М-20UP-1, which was developed both by young and veteran Serbian engineers, who were engaged in the creation of the M-84 battle tank.
    The М-20UP-1 will form a base platform for other Serbian armored vehicles, as is the case with the Russian-made Armata platform.
    Earlier this year, similar plans were announced by India, which seeks to use the platform of its planned battle tank for as many as 11 different tracked vehicles




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    Post  Godric on Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:21 pm

    Isos wrote:
    https://www.facebook.com/tankchaser/photos/a.255913211608579.1073742207.179946025871965/292598177940082/?type=3&theater wrote:Serbia Develops State-of-the-Art, Armata-Style Battle Tank
    A concept of the Russian Armata-like “Serbian tank of the future”, the М-20UP-1, has reportedly been presented at the Partner 2015 military exhibition in Belgrade.
    Serbia has presented a concept of the М-20UP-1, the country’s “tank of the future”, at the Partner 2015 military exhibition in Belgrade. Designers said that they were inspired by the Russian-made Armata tank when developing the М-20UP-1, according to the Serbian news website Vecernje Novosti Online.The project cost of the production of one M-20UP-1 stands at five million euros.
    Goran Stojanovic, head of the working group to develop the tank, said that the М-20UP-1 will not compete with the Armata tank.
    “Our tank will be closer to the [Russian-made] T-90 tank in terms of combat capabilities. We are short of money, and our economic potential is not developed enough to let us compete with the Russians. But by using a design [resembling] those of advanced tanks across the world, we have developed the weapon of the future: cheap, modern and efficient,” Stojanovic said.
    As in the T-14 Armata battle tank, the М-20UP-1’s crew of three is securely enclosed in a multi-layer armored capsule, separated from the ammunition container.
    The Serbian tank also features an unmanned, digitally controlled turret, which is remotely controlled by a crew member located in the aforementioned capsule.
    The tank’s 125mm smooth-bore gun is also digitally operated from the capsule via high-resolution cameras. The turret carries a total of 48 rounds of ammunition, including ready-to-use ones. The gun can also fire laser-guided missiles.The М-20UP-1 is equipped with electric transmission, which engineers said will help significantly reduce the power loss and will add to the tank’s stealth characteristics.
    It reportedly took eight months to finalize the М-20UP-1, which was developed both by young and veteran Serbian engineers, who were engaged in the creation of the M-84 battle tank.
    The М-20UP-1 will form a base platform for other Serbian armored vehicles, as is the case with the Russian-made Armata platform.
    Earlier this year, similar plans were announced by India, which seeks to use the platform of its planned battle tank for as many as 11 different tracked vehicles





    very interesting design ... stretched t-72 hull
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    Post  Militarov on Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:18 am

    Isos wrote:
    https://www.facebook.com/tankchaser/photos/a.255913211608579.1073742207.179946025871965/292598177940082/?type=3&theater wrote:Serbia Develops State-of-the-Art, Armata-Style Battle Tank
    A concept of the Russian Armata-like “Serbian tank of the future”, the М-20UP-1, has reportedly been presented at the Partner 2015 military exhibition in Belgrade.
    Serbia has presented a concept of the М-20UP-1, the country’s “tank of the future”, at the Partner 2015 military exhibition in Belgrade. Designers said that they were inspired by the Russian-made Armata tank when developing the М-20UP-1, according to the Serbian news website Vecernje Novosti Online.The project cost of the production of one M-20UP-1 stands at five million euros.
    Goran Stojanovic, head of the working group to develop the tank, said that the М-20UP-1 will not compete with the Armata tank.
    “Our tank will be closer to the [Russian-made] T-90 tank in terms of combat capabilities. We are short of money, and our economic potential is not developed enough to let us compete with the Russians. But by using a design [resembling] those of advanced tanks across the world, we have developed the weapon of the future: cheap, modern and efficient,” Stojanovic said.
    As in the T-14 Armata battle tank, the М-20UP-1’s crew of three is securely enclosed in a multi-layer armored capsule, separated from the ammunition container.
    The Serbian tank also features an unmanned, digitally controlled turret, which is remotely controlled by a crew member located in the aforementioned capsule.
    The tank’s 125mm smooth-bore gun is also digitally operated from the capsule via high-resolution cameras. The turret carries a total of 48 rounds of ammunition, including ready-to-use ones. The gun can also fire laser-guided missiles.The М-20UP-1 is equipped with electric transmission, which engineers said will help significantly reduce the power loss and will add to the tank’s stealth characteristics.
    It reportedly took eight months to finalize the М-20UP-1, which was developed both by young and veteran Serbian engineers, who were engaged in the creation of the M-84 battle tank.
    The М-20UP-1 will form a base platform for other Serbian armored vehicles, as is the case with the Russian-made Armata platform.
    Earlier this year, similar plans were announced by India, which seeks to use the platform of its planned battle tank for as many as 11 different tracked vehicles





    Thing is, this was just a model drawn by members of certain Serbian military forum. And someone... blew it out of the proportion, it ended even in Sputnik. Its real as much as Batman is.

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