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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:59 am

    We are lazy and wasteful here on earth because all the essentials of life are to be had... abundant and cheap.

    When we start going to other places like the Moon and Mars things become much more work and more expensive and more complicated.

    The more we learn to reuse and recycle on Mars, perhaps the more efficiently we will be able to use resources on Earth and reduce pollution and waste and the damage we do.

    The moons of the large planets are interesting... especially that ice covered one that supposedly has vast oceans of water under the ice surface... but the low temperatures, extreme tidal gravitation forces and of course radiation from the large planets makes things difficult... likely robots first.

    Talk of sending people to Saturns moons when the Sun expands just because it has a thick atmosphere ignores the fact that it has a thick atmosphere because it is so cold... heat it up with an enlarged sun and most of that thick atmosphere will just blow away... and you get left with little to no atmosphere at all... it would be more efficient going to the ice covered moon but what would be its fate when heated up... melting ice and loss of water to become a dry atmosphere-less rock.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:38 pm

    Hmmm about space program.

    Anyway can anyone tell me why the Rocketdyne F-1, known as the most powerful single chamber rocket engine ever developed was abruptly discontinued with no further development ?

    I think it's very weird as having such capability the Americans wouldn't need to bought Russian RD-170 engine (Which have 4 combustion chamber Thus heavier) and does not need to basically "scratching the head back from zero" For ARES launcher.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:50 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:Hmmm about space program.

    Anyway can anyone tell me why the Rocketdyne F-1, known as the most powerful single chamber rocket engine ever developed was abruptly discontinued with no further development ?

    I think it's very weird as having such capability the Americans wouldn't need to bought Russian RD-170 engine (Which have 4 combustion chamber Thus heavier) and does not need to basically "scratching the head back from zero" For ARES launcher.
    Simple, its only use, the Saturn V, was retired (too large, heavy, and expensive after Apollo). NASA was set on Hydrogen for the next large project (the Shuttle), and no longer needed a large kerosene based engine any more. The number of chambers doesn't change anything, it simply is cheaper and easier to produce smaller nozzles. At the time of the F-1, they chose a single-chamber simply because they could.

    ARES is cancelled, and will instead be "replaced" by the all new SLS and the upgraded Atlas-5. The SLS *may* end off using a new variant of the F-1, but I don't think they've decided quite yet.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:27 pm

    http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2612/1

    http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2611/1

    http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2610/1
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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:23 am

    Plus credit where credit is due, the RD-170 has a different design to US engines and is 15% more efficient... which is very significant.
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    Post  Mike E Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:38 am

    GarryB wrote:Plus credit where credit is due, the RD-170 has a different design to US engines and is 15% more efficient... which is very significant.
    Yep, and it is also staged unlike the F-1 and other high-powered US engines. The RD-170 is still technically unmatched by anyone else!
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    Post  Mike E Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:17 am

    This is a bad sign for Sierra Nevada, hopefully they can take Boeing's spot! http://www.spacenews.com/article/civil-space/42137nasa-resumes-work-on-commercial-crew-contracts

    http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/10/cygnus-next-iss-mission-castor-xl-debut/
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    Post  Mike E Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:01 am

    Some extra news updates...

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/launch-report/42143commercial-licenses-waivers-needed-for-orion-test-flight

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/military-space/42146lockheed-martin-delivers-payload-for-fourth-sbirs-satellite

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/military-space/42154air-force-offers-hints-on-next-generation-missile-warning-system
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    Post  Mike E Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:14 am

    Seems like Bigelow's SpaceX launch will be unaffected by their recent moves after all, can't really say that I's surprised...

    http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1113251866/space-station-bigelow-expandable-activity-module-100814/

    Now I'd like to see Russia's equivalent!
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    Post  Mike E Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:20 am

    Now for a bombardment of NASA news!

    Comets! http://news.discovery.com/space/nasa-mars-missions-prepare-for-historic-comet-flyby-141010.htm

    Interesting new O2 technology... http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/missions/human-spaceflight/nasa-selects-advanced-oxygen-recovery-proposals-for-spacecraft-missions/

    They have finally resumed space walks... http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=023000IAL3QV#

    Orion spacecraft improvements. http://jalopnik.com/holy-crap-nasa-is-considering-improvements-to-orion-th-1644769784

    Finally, some new pictures of the Sun! http://time.com/3491240/sun-photos-halloween/
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    Post  Mike E Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:00 am

    Smith to Bolden: Why Not Orion for Commercial Crew?

    WASHINGTON — House Science Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) wants to know when NASA’s Orion deep-space capsule will be ready to provide backup crew and cargo delivery services to the international space station and whether the Lockheed Martin-built vehicle should replace one of the two commercial crew taxis NASA is now funding. 
    Boeing and Space Exploration Technologies Corp. beat out Sierra Nevada Corp. in September for a pair of contracts worth a combined $6.8 billion to complete competing crew taxis that would ferry crews to and from station starting in 2017. 
    “If Orion could provide a redundant capability as a fallback for the commercial crew partners, why is it necessary to carry two partners to ensure competition in the constrained budget environment?” Smith asked NASA Administrator Charles Bolden in an Oct. 7 letter co-signed by Rep. Steven Palazzo (R-Miss.), chairman of the House Science space subcommittee.
    The 2010 NASA authorization law that requires the agency to build Orion also requires that the capsule be capable of servicing ISS should other U.S. vehicles be unavailable. Bolden has said repeatedly that NASA is not planning to send Orion to ISS. Doing so, the NASA chief has said, would be expensive, inefficient and possibly viewed by the agency’s commercial crew partners as unfair government competition.
    Smith and Palazzo gave Bolden until Oct. 21 to respond.
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    Post  Mike E Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:04 am

    Some NASA/US related news...

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/civil-space/42172former-nasa-deputy-administrator-to-join-faa-commercial-space-office

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/military-space/42152raytheon-delivers-10th-ballistic-missile-radar-to-us-missile-defense

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/military-space/42166us-air-force-targets-2016-for-launch-of-final-dmsp-satellite

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/military-space/42167utc-wins-support-contract-for-ors-1-as-satellite-nears-end-of-life

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/financial-report/42176globalstar-stock-shorter%E2%80%99s-condemnations-provoke-feisty-rebuttal

    SpaceX!

    http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/organizations/space-exploration-technologies/launch-spacex-crs-5-slips-earlier-dec-5/

    http://news.investors.com/technology/101314-721489-why-spacex-may-be-a-bargain-for-nasa.htm
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    Post  Mike E Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:19 am

    The Space Review is back at it once again...

    http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2618/1

    http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2614/1

    I'd love to see Russia and China collaborate on a new station, could be a backup to OPSEK. http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2615/1
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    Post  Mike E Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:10 pm

    Russian expert says US company copied design of its mini-shuttle from Soviet probe

    MOSCOW, October 15. /TASS/. Soviet space probe Bor-4 gave the US company SierraNevada ideas for the design of a mini-shuttle, which it put up for a NASA contest for a manned spaceship of the future, Dmitry Paison, the director of Research and Analysis Center of the United Rocket and Space Corporation (ORKK) told TASS on Wednesday.
    Sierra Nevada was among the participants of a contest to select a contractor for organizing commercial delivery of astronauts for the International Space Station. It presented its R&D product at the 65th international astronautical congress, held in Toronto from September 29 through to October 3.
    Boeing and SpaceX projects in the sphere of manned space flights evoked an especially big interest at the Toronto display, Dmitry Paison said. He mentioned the Dream Chaser space aircraft, the design of which incorporated some structural ideas first used by Soviet designers.
    Boeing and SpaceX won the competition. NASA will allocate $4.2 billion and $2.6 billion to them respectively to create a new spaceship. It is believe that the ship will start off to the ISS on its maiden mission in 2017.
    In the meantime, SierraNevada said at the end of September it would petition against the results of the contest. Its executives claimed they could spend $900 million less on its spaceship than the competitors.
    At this moment, Russian Soyuz ships are the only vehicles capable of bringing the crews to the ISS and taking them back to Earth. US media reports suggest that NASA pays the Russian space agency Roscosmos about $70 million per seat aboard a Soyuz.
    Bor-4 unmanned orbital rocket aircraft was used in the Buran project.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:23 pm

    http://en.itar-tass.com/non-political/754582
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    Post  kvs Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:29 am

    Mike E wrote:Russian expert says US company copied design of its mini-shuttle from Soviet probe

    MOSCOW, October 15. /TASS/. Soviet space probe Bor-4 gave the US company SierraNevada ideas for the design of a mini-shuttle, which it put up for a NASA contest for a manned spaceship of the future, Dmitry Paison, the director of Research and Analysis Center of the United Rocket and Space Corporation (ORKK) told TASS on Wednesday.
    Sierra Nevada was among the participants of a contest to select a contractor for organizing commercial delivery of astronauts for the International Space Station. It presented its R&D product at the 65th international astronautical congress, held in Toronto from September 29 through to October 3.
    Boeing and SpaceX projects in the sphere of manned space flights evoked an especially big interest at the Toronto display, Dmitry Paison said. He mentioned the Dream Chaser space aircraft, the design of which incorporated some structural ideas first used by Soviet designers.
    Boeing and SpaceX won the competition. NASA will allocate $4.2 billion and $2.6 billion to them respectively to create a new spaceship. It is believe that the ship will start off to the ISS on its maiden mission in 2017.
    In the meantime, SierraNevada said at the end of September it would petition against the results of the contest. Its executives claimed they could spend $900 million less on its spaceship than the competitors.
    At this moment, Russian Soyuz ships are the only vehicles capable of bringing the crews to the ISS and taking them back to Earth. US media reports suggest that NASA pays the Russian space agency Roscosmos about $70 million per seat aboard a Soyuz.
    Bor-4 unmanned orbital rocket aircraft was used in the Buran project.

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    It is an outright copy.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:47 am

    Of course the Soviets can't throw stones... they saved a fortune adopting the shape of the Space shuttle, and saved another fortune making it different enough to be much much cheaper to use because it was fundamentally a different design.

    (ie the space shuttle was an aircraft that had an enormous fuel tank under it that required two RATO bottles to get it moving. the Buran was a glider that sat on an energiya rocket... the advantage of the Soviet version was that without having to recover anything except the glider and without the hugely expensive solid fuel rockets it was much cheaper to launch and much more flexible... if you had an outsized payload to deliver you could remove the Buran and put a 120 ton payload on the back of the rocket... the current ISS could have been launched in 4 missions...)
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    Post  Mike E Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:57 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Russian expert says US company copied design of its mini-shuttle from Soviet probe

    MOSCOW, October 15. /TASS/. Soviet space probe Bor-4 gave the US company SierraNevada ideas for the design of a mini-shuttle, which it put up for a NASA contest for a manned spaceship of the future, Dmitry Paison, the director of Research and Analysis Center of the United Rocket and Space Corporation (ORKK) told TASS on Wednesday.
    Sierra Nevada was among the participants of a contest to select a contractor for organizing commercial delivery of astronauts for the International Space Station. It presented its R&D product at the 65th international astronautical congress, held in Toronto from September 29 through to October 3.
    Boeing and SpaceX projects in the sphere of manned space flights evoked an especially big interest at the Toronto display, Dmitry Paison said. He mentioned the Dream Chaser space aircraft, the design of which incorporated some structural ideas first used by Soviet designers.
    Boeing and SpaceX won the competition. NASA will allocate $4.2 billion and $2.6 billion to them respectively to create a new spaceship. It is believe that the ship will start off to the ISS on its maiden mission in 2017.
    In the meantime, SierraNevada said at the end of September it would petition against the results of the contest. Its executives claimed they could spend $900 million less on its spaceship than the competitors.
    At this moment, Russian Soyuz ships are the only vehicles capable of bringing the crews to the ISS and taking them back to Earth. US media reports suggest that NASA pays the Russian space agency Roscosmos about $70 million per seat aboard a Soyuz.
    Bor-4 unmanned orbital rocket aircraft was used in the Buran project.

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    It is an outright copy.
    Yep, but nothing will happen because it didn't win a contract.
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    Post  Mike E Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:22 am

    Support for the US RD-180 replacement engine.

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/launch-report/42231heinrich-reiterates-support-for-funding-rd-180-replacement

    Antares' new engine!

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/launch-report/42223orbital-says-it-has-selected-future-antares-engine-but-offers-no

    Ariane 5 redefining reliable.

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/satellite-telecom/42219ariane-5%E2%80%99s-62nd-straight-success-puts-argentina-in-satcom-driver%E2%80%99s
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:57 am

    Mike E wrote:Support for the US RD-180 replacement engine.

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/launch-report/42231heinrich-reiterates-support-for-funding-rd-180-replacement

    Antares' new engine!

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/launch-report/42223orbital-says-it-has-selected-future-antares-engine-but-offers-no

    Ariane 5 redefining reliable.

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/satellite-telecom/42219ariane-5%E2%80%99s-62nd-straight-success-puts-argentina-in-satcom-driver%E2%80%99s

    A politically motivated replacement, which is unfortunate because NASA doesn't want to break ties with Russia...only the imbecile anti-science Obama administration wants to (who btw is one of the most hated presidents in the history of the United States according to recent polls).
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    Post  Mike E Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:53 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Support for the US RD-180 replacement engine.

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/launch-report/42231heinrich-reiterates-support-for-funding-rd-180-replacement

    Antares' new engine!

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/launch-report/42223orbital-says-it-has-selected-future-antares-engine-but-offers-no

    Ariane 5 redefining reliable.

    http://www.spacenews.com/article/satellite-telecom/42219ariane-5%E2%80%99s-62nd-straight-success-puts-argentina-in-satcom-driver%E2%80%99s

    A politically motivated replacement, which is unfortunate because NASA doesn't want to break ties with Russia...only the imbecile anti-science Obama administration wants to (who btw is one of the most hated presidents in the history of the United States according to recent polls).
    Very true and unfortunate as well... However, it has always been NASA's "dream" to ween off of Russian engines, more so the RD-180. This project isn't new, and it now simply being sped up thanks to the current crisis. I'd love to see more space cooperation between the two countries and all in general, as space programs should never be compromised.
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    Post  Mike E Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:39 pm

    Boeing's CST-100 reaches another milestone in its development. 

    http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/missions/commercial/boeing-reaches-final-commercial-crew-design-milestone/

    History in the making with Rosetta!

    http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/organizations/esa/rosettas-philae-lander-given-green-light-upcoming-landing/

    SpaceX already assisting NASA in landing tech on Mars.

    http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/organizations/space-exploration-technologies/nasa-eyes-spacex-soft-landing-technology-future-mars-missions/

    SNC finally gets some good news. 

    http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/organizations/sierra-nevada/sierra-nevada-corporation-wins-contract-develop-u-s-dod-satellite/

    http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/missions/commercial/sierra-nevada-corporation-issues-another-lawsuit-ongoing-commercial-crew/

    New Horizons!

    http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/missions/thanks-hubble-new-horizons-now-target-kbos-beyond-pluto/
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    Post  Mike E Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:13 am

    The Los Alamos National Labortory appears to be furthering researching on ALICE-like fuels. For those of you that don't know what ALICE is, to put it simply..... ALICE is a gel/slush based propellant that uses Ai suspended in an ice to use as a fuel. It should be safer and more efficient than other options, though it hasn't been tested long enough for that to be properly confirmed. Here is a terrible article on it.... http://phys.org/news/2014-10-rocket-propellant-motor-high-safety.html
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    Post  Mike E Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:39 am

    Apollo influencing the mission to Mars; 
    http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2625/1

    Reusable launchers; 
    http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2628/1
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    Post  Mike E Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:16 pm

    Antares rocket with U.S. cargo spacecraft Cygnus explodes on launch

    WASHINGTON, October 29. /TASS/. The Antares rocket with the American cargo spacecraft Cygnus exploded during blastoff from NASA launch facility on the Wallops Island near the Virginia coast on Tuesday.
    The NASA website was transmitting a live broadcast of the rocket launch. The explosion occurred immediately after the liftoff at 18:23 pm, local time (01:23 am, Moscow time, October 29).
    There were no immediate reports about casualties or damage to the spaceport facilities. NASA said a special commission comprising representatives of NASA and Orbital Sciences will be formed to investigate the catastrophe.
    Cygnus was to loiter in orbit until Nov. 2, then fly itself to the station so astronauts can use a robotic crane to snare the capsule and attach it to a berthing port. The ISS, a $100 billion research laboratory owned and operated by 15 nations, flies about 260 miles (418 km) above Earth.
    In addition to food, supplies and equipment, the Cygnus spacecraft was loaded with more than 1,600 pounds (725 kg) of science experiments, including an investigation to chemically analyze meteors as they burn up in Earth's atmosphere.
     
    - Sucks for Orbital and the Antares project... They won't get out of this one for a long time!

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