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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:48 pm

    Austin wrote:How good are these new processor developed in Russia ?

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/106116/

    RISC are good for very specific tasks and mainframes (in the past at least, dunno about now). In terms of raw performance, it's nowhere near that of MCST other line using the Elbrus 2K architecture. But of course this has much lower power usage plus decent performance.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:58 am

    Austin wrote:How good are these new processor developed in Russia ?

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/106116/

    The SPARC architecture is not too bad. Even though Sun disappeared many years ago, it produced competitive RISC
    microprocessors. Russia is keeping the SPARC alive and moving it into the modern era. Do not dismiss this CPU as
    junk.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:01 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Austin wrote:How good are these new processor developed in Russia ?

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/106116/

    RISC are good for very specific tasks and mainframes (in the past at least, dunno about now). In terms of raw performance, it's nowhere near that of MCST other line using the Elbrus 2K architecture.  But of course this has much lower power usage plus decent performance.

    It would depend on the FPU resources how useful it is. So it is not directly a question of the SPARC being good enough or not. Even
    with the Elbrus, there is a huge performance hit (50%) going from 32 to 64 bit math. The latter is what you really want since 32 bits
    has too much intrinsic error associated with it. The Elbrus needs to drop this limitation and soon.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:08 am

    Performance even in 64bit for Elbrus 2k architecture is still impressive.

    What ways can they improve the performance of the 64bit?

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Austin on Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:11 am

    Another gen of CPU

    "RosElectronics" introduced the latest Russian electronic components

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/106194/
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:22 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Performance even in 64bit for Elbrus 2k architecture is still impressive.

    What ways can they improve the performance of the 64bit?

    It will come at the sacrifice of low power consumption and increase the size of the die through increase in the number of traces
    (surface wiring in the IC). If you look over the last 40 years we had this mixed approach at various stages 8/16 bit, 16/32 bit,
    then 32 bit and finally full 64 bit (but for RAM it is not the full 64 since it is too much). The Elbrus looks like a 32 bit design.
    But it must be able to access more than 4 gigabytes of RAM so it is probably over 32 bits in the addressing section. For floating
    point it just does 64 bit math using 32 bit stages and that doubles the execution time. The Elbrus needs a vectorized FPU which
    could handle 32, 64, 128 and 256 bits or more. It can keep the rest of the architecture intact.

    It is a bit ironic that a VLIW CPU does not have a vectorized FPU.

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    Post  Austin on Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:26 am

    Just read that 90 % of Russian market is still US and western software giant only 10 % is Russian and these are defence industry.

    So this is a great opportinity to replace these Western back door driven Western Software and Hardware with Russian ones.

    I wonder why they did this since 2014 and waited till 2018
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    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:44 am

    Austin wrote:Just read that 90 % of Russian market is still US and western software giant only 10 % is Russian and these are defence industry.

    So this is a great opportinity to replace these Western back door driven Western Software and Hardware with Russian ones.

    I wonder why they did this since 2014 and waited till 2018

    Russia should have developed a Unix based GUI heavy OS like the most recent Apple OS (based of FreeBSD). Winblows is
    spyware. I know that people US Winblows since it supports games and other mass consumer software better than Linux.
    Even Apple is a niche market. Here is were the Elbrus binary compiler tech comes in. With enough computing power,
    the binary compiler can remap any Winblows-Intel code into code that runs on Elbrus CPUs with their own flavour of Linux.
    Instead of keeping this in technology in the lab, Russia must commercialize it.

    People have the negative view of running cross platform programs from the slow emulators of the past. The trick is not
    to do the translation in real time but to do it offline. The same activity occurs in either case. But offline you can produce
    a new binary that runs natively on your non-Intel hardware. There may be an optimization challenge. But it is the job
    of the binary translator to do optimization. Intel's VLIW (aka EPIC) CPU required a compiler that did a lot of assembler
    manipulation that is done in hardware on the x86 CPUs. The Elbrus binary translator is in the same class of software but
    takes it to a whole new level.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:55 am

    What do you make of the Elbrus E2K architecture?

    I think they need to move on to another one. As well, I don't think continuing SPARC is necessary. But that's my view. MIPS and ARM is currently the trend again. Obviously x86 but good luck getting the licenses.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:52 am

    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Performance even in 64bit for Elbrus 2k architecture is still impressive.

    What ways can they improve the performance of the 64bit?

    It will come at the sacrifice of low power consumption and increase the size of the die through increase in the number of traces
    (surface wiring in the IC).    If you look over the last 40 years we had this mixed approach at various stages 8/16 bit, 16/32 bit,
    then 32 bit and finally full 64 bit (but for RAM it is not the full 64 since it is too much).    The Elbrus looks like a 32 bit design.  
    But it must be able to access more than 4 gigabytes of RAM so it is probably over 32 bits in the addressing section.   For floating
    point it just does 64 bit math using 32 bit stages and that doubles the execution time.  The Elbrus needs a vectorized FPU which
    could handle 32, 64, 128 and 256 bits or more.   It can keep the rest of the architecture intact.  

    It is a bit ironic that a VLIW CPU does not have a vectorized FPU.      

    isnt it that Chinese supercomputers are mostly based on RISC processors? Genrelaly HPC, HW accelerators (AI, video, cryptomining Smile AFAIK too can be V-RISC based.
    Perhaps this is one of reasons to have one. Iam not HW man though.





    Austin wrote:Just read they have formed a committe on Counter Sanctions in State Duma and these folks will come with counter sanction by July.

    It gives you an idea that Russian Legislator were not even seriously working on any counter sanctions till date since first major sanction came into effect in 2014 like 4 years back.
    Now with RuAl and the latest sanction by Trump they suddenly woke up , What did the Russian Government did in last 4 years in preparing for counter sanctions.
    US State Department has already list of sanctions prepared and all they need is presidential nod to put into effect.

    to me also it is strange pr perhaps there is plan but they waited to some event to trigger it? like military confrontation? Russia economically is not in position to fight west on equal basis. Thus the best defense is trying to expand cooperation. With countries like Iran , Cuba or too large to be sanctioned like China or India.


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:53 am

    I think the Loongsong processor is MIPS.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:58 am

    miketheterrible wrote:I think the Loongsong processor is MIPS.

    After wiki Smile
    MIPS is a reduced instruction set computer (RISC) instruction set architecture
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    How good are these new processor developed in Russia ?

    Post  kvs on Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:36 am

    Intel RISC CPUs (ia-64), the same as you can buy in for your gaming PC, dominate HPC. IBM is still making their RISC Power server CPUs, but
    economics (i.e. price) are making it lose market share. Itanium, Intel's hack at VLIW called EPIC, has basically failed. Meanwhile Elbrus is alive
    and being used like a RISC CPUs in HPC systems. Russia is showing Intel how it is done. Although the average self-hating Russian liberast always
    expects foreigners to teach Russia how to do it right.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:33 am

    New RISC in 28nm tech, design Russian fab in Taiwan.


    From the TSMC factory, the first samples of the MALT-C 9Mb96G microprocessor

    At the end of December 2017, samples of the MALT-C 9Mb96G microprocessor, the first MALT-C family chip manufactured in silicon by the 28 nm process, were obtained from the TSMC (Taiwan) factory . TSMC HPCPlus (high-performance computing). The processor contains 9 RISC general-purpose kernels and 96 specialized processor elements, united in three SIMD clusters of 32 elements each. The samples of the MALT-C 9Mb96G microprocessor successfully passed the input tests on test vectors on the FORMULA chip tester , showed the full compliance of the designed and achieved characteristics. So the total power consumption at the working frequency of 800 MHz was 1.0 W.

    MALT-C is a family of microprocessors of Russian design for performing computationally complex crypto-transformations with marginal energy efficiency. The chip is built on the basis of domestic multi-core architecture . Thanks to the extremely successful C compiler, programming MALT-C 9Mb96G is not much more difficult than universal multi-core processors.
    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/106294/

    After designer website

    https://maltsystem.ru/ru/product/malt-processors#malt-c

    they are for
    - high performance computing (HPC)
    - blockchain operations
    - cryptology
    - AI (parallelism, decision trees, big data)
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    Post  kvs on Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:57 am

    MALT is not really suited for HPC. It is aimed at specialized problems requiring irregular memory addressing. I do not see it
    being useful for running typical HPC (Fortran) codes such a chemistry-transport GCMs. The makers even say that they are
    not aiming to replace the current CPUs dominating HPC.

    But MALT and other approaches being deployed commercially is a very good thing. Eventually superior CPU concepts will emerge.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:07 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/108279/

    In the Russian IP-PBX at the request of the military replaced the Intel "Elbrusy"



    Included in "rostec" Saint-Petersburg scientific research Institute Masshtab has released version of its digital automatic telephone station (ATS) Alexandrite Russian Quad-core processors "Elbrus 4C". In the basic configuration of the PBX is equipped with Intel chips, and its adaptation to the Russian "iron" was implemented at the request of the military, for which the actual is complete import substitution in that they use the equipment.

    "Alexandrite" was presented in 2014 and about the theoretical possibility to use it domestic microprocessors (including "Baikal") developers, in particular, was assured in March 2015 Finished version on "Elbrusy" was shown at the beginning of June 2018 at the conference "the Digital industry industrial Russia" (CIPROFLOXACIN) in Tatarstan Innopolis.

    Alexandrite is a hardware and software solution in the form of a server (in a new version of "Elbrus 4.4") with the IP PBX, although the software may be sold separately. The station is managed via a web interface and supports all the basic functions: call forwarding, conversation recording etc. For negotiations can be used not only IP phones but also ordinary phones.

    Despite the specificity of the above-mentioned customer, potential customer, the developers believe not only the public sector. Modification on Russian chips compared to the baseline in the "Scale" is called more simple.

    The Possibility Of "Alexandrite"

    In the basic version of "Alexandrite" on Intel processors, in addition to voice traffic and protocols, IP telephony features over 30 different services to customize for specific tasks of the organization user.

    Among its options and opportunities — system direct access to the IP-PBX (DISA), auto attendant (IVR), conferencing three types, Fax transmission with the possibility of sending e-mail, call pickup, automatic selection of the communication channel, modification of rooms, choosing one of 16 levels class customer service, music on hold and background music, call back, combine multiple IP PBX in the network, import and export settings, echo cancellation, redial 10 last numbers, remote subscriber management, restriction and blocking calls, intelligent routing, support for video personal and global phonebook, CLIR.

    From the documentation for the PBX can be concluded that the underlying operating system is the domestic Astra Linux Special Edition — protected by the OS for special purposes to work with information of restricted access.

    "Elbrusy" for telephony

    Are the ATS is not the first domestic solution in this class on "the Elbrusy". In particular, at the end of July 2017 became aware of the fact that these chips your software and hardware for IP telephony ported Novosibirsk manufacturer of ICT equipment , ELTEX, ranked among the trusted suppliers of "Rostelecom".

    The results of the first tests of this decision, its the developers have stated about the system's performance Softswitch ECSS-10 of at least 25 calls per second, with capacity of more than 25 thousand subscribers. The system also demonstrated the ability to support video calls and transcode the media streams, proved the scalability of solutions, redundancy in active-active mode and build systems that support geographical redundancy.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:40 am

    miketheterrible wrote:

    In the Russian IP-PBX at the request of the military replaced the Intel "Elbrusy"



    looks like cool game station lol1 lol1

    BTW Elbrusy is in Russian plural form Elbrus but translator doesn't translate it correctly, perhaps because this is a name Cool Cool Cool



    Microelectronics : Angstrem-T will start selling microelectronics to the Chinese

    http://www.mforum.ru/news/article/119127.htm

    At SPIEF Angstrem-T will sign three contracts worth $ 36 million with Chinese Zhejiang Sirius Semiconductor Co Ltd for the supply of Russian microelectronics. The agreements are concluded for a period of 4 years with the possibility of prolongation. Source .

    Angstrem-T in recent years has not looked like a successful venture. In 2017, production volumes were rumored to be 1-2 thousand plates 200 mm per year. The production base of Angstrem-T - acquired in 2007 from AMD line on the technology of 130 nm.

    China, which absorbs up to 59% of all the chips produced in the world, is also interested in Russian microcircuits - for example, the Micron-VZPP-Mikron, Voronezh daughter supplies them.

    A hard analysis of the case of Angstrem-T is available here .







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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:49 am

    Scientists begin to create the "physical" part of a quantum computer


    MOSCOW, June 1 - RIA Novosti. The Quantum Consortium is starting to implement the "physical" part of the project to create a multi-qubit quantum computer, RIA Novosti was told by VEB Innovations.

    As previously reported, the Scientific and Technical Council of the Foundation for Advanced Studies (FPI) approved a project to create a quantum computer in Russia in 2018-2021. Within the framework of the project in 2018-2021, it is planned to develop demonstrators of 50-qubit quantum computers based on neutral atoms and integrated optical circuits.
    "The start of the project will be phased: at the moment, the" physical "part is being launched, which is planned to be implemented on the basis of the MV Lomonosov Moscow State University with the participation of Bauman Moscow State Technical University, the All-Russian Scientific Research Institute of Automation, the Physical and Technical Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences and others with the support of FPI, "the company representative said.

    According to him, it is about developing a demonstrator of an optical quantum simulator based on two main technologies for the implementation of quantum computers: based on photonic chips and neutral atoms.

    "The project participants note that part of the technical tasks can be solved by purchasing foreign-made equipment, but the possibility of launching additional projects to develop and improve the domestic element base (for example, multi-channel single-photon superconductor detectors already produced in Russia) will be considered as a priority." - told in "VEB Innovations".

    As clarified in the company, after the signing in February 2018 of a five-party agreement on the creation of a Russian multicubital quantum computer, the technical task of the project was specified. So, the scientific collectives of the Moscow State Technical University named after N.E. Bauman, St. Petersburg State University, Physical and Technical Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology, All-Russian Scientific Research Institute of Automation and others.
    "In parallel, there will be an expansion of the consortium working on the creation of a Russian multicubital quantum computer - new participants from among interested consumers, research organizations and development institutions will join it," VEB Innovations reported.

    As the project develops, Russian scientists will solve the scientific and applied tasks necessary to create and further operate a quantum computer-for example, the task of developing an online access and programming system for quantum computing devices, the development of photon detectors and various quantum algorithms.

    The agreement on a scientific and technical project for the creation of a multicubital quantum computer was signed in February 2018 during the Russian Investment Forum in Sochi between Vnesheconombank, VEB Innovations, the Advanced Research Foundation, Moscow State University. Lomonosov and ANO "Digital Economy". The agreement was the basis for the formation of a quantum consortium, it is assumed that this format of interaction will allow a large number of Russian scientific teams, funding organizations and potential consumers to take part in the implementation of breakthrough projects in the field of quantum technologies.
    Advantages of quantum computers are based on the fact that in them, not classical binary memory cells containing one bit of information are used to represent data, but the so-called qubit, quantum bit, which are quantum objects whose state is subject to the principle of quantum superposition and thus containing much more information.

    The world scientific community considers various physical ways of realization of qubits: on the basis of superconducting elements, photons, ions and neutral atoms in magneto-optical traps, impurity centers in semiconductor and dielectric structures. Each of the investigated methods has certain advantages in improving certain characteristics of a quantum computer.


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