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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:33 am

    In Russia, created a unique microscope able to "see" inside of nanotubes



    The invention will allow to begin development of the next generation of computers, which is impossible without evaluation of the properties of nanomaterials used. Russian engineers have published information about the unique atomic-force microscope in the pages of «Ultramicroscopy» eminent scientific journal.

    " Unique microscope technique to determine the change in properties of peptide nanotubes that can be used to cool the core of the latest computer processors. This will significantly increase their performance and will increase energy efficiency throughout the system. After studying nanomaterials, we can reduce its size. In general, the main task of the microscope - to get new data on the properties of nanotubes and understand where they can be used in the future ", - said the head of the project, Alexander Target of ITMO University, St. Petersburg.

    http://www.newsband.ru/4763-v-rossii-sozdan-unikalnyj-mikroskop-sposobnyj-zaglyanut-v-nanotrubki?utm_source=finobzor.ru
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

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    Russian Physicists Create First Working Secure Quantum Link Between Two Banks

    https://sputniknews.com/science/201712291060405982-russian-quantum-secure-connection/
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:02 am

    Not as "sexy" as the previous 2 posts but one more potentially important development...

    They're planning on launching large scale production of chips for multimedia equipment, which should cover more than 40% of the domestic market...currently dominated by foreign designs. Financing of the project has already been organised

    Large-scale project: Russia to launch large-scale production of chips ...
    Источник: https://politexpert.net/84398-masshtabnyi-proekt-v-rossii-zapustyat-krupnoe-seriinoe-proizvodstvo-mikroskhem?utm_source=finobzor.ru
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:02 am

    At the enterprise "Helicopters of Russia" a new laser is put into operation
    The modern laser cutting complex has allowed to reduce the time for the manufacture of parts


    At the enterprise "Helicopters of Russia" a new laser is put into operation
    The modern laser cutting complex has allowed to reduce the time for the manufacture of parts













    Cyberspec wrote:Not as "sexy" as the previous 2 posts but one more potentially important development...

    They're planning on launching large scale production of chips for multimedia equipment, which should cover more than 40% of the domestic market...currently dominated by foreign designs. Financing of the project has already been organised

    Large-scale project: Russia to launch large-scale production of chips ...
    Источник: https://politexpert.net/84398-masshtabnyi-proekt-v-rossii-zapustyat-krupnoe-seriinoe-proizvodstvo-mikroskhem?utm_source=finobzor.ru


    Actually very sexy but from different category. Economically very important. The question is: hat is the size of market and how do they plan to capture it? Chinese, Korean or Japanese manufacturers to replace own chips with Russian ones?

    The only way si to produce own equipment but no way you can do it with 6 millions of USD in capital
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:10 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Not as "sexy" as the previous 2 posts but one more potentially important development...

    They're planning on launching large scale production of chips for multimedia equipment, which should cover more than 40% of the domestic market...currently dominated by foreign designs. Financing of the project has already been organised

    Large-scale project: Russia to launch large-scale production of chips ...
    Источник: https://politexpert.net/84398-masshtabnyi-proekt-v-rossii-zapustyat-krupnoe-seriinoe-proizvodstvo-mikroskhem?utm_source=finobzor.ru


    Actually very sexy but from different category. Economically very important. The question is:  hat is the size of market and how do they plan to capture it? Chinese, Korean or Japanese  manufacturers to replace own chips with Russian ones?

    The only way si to produce own equipment but no way you can do it with 6 millions of  USD in capital

    Aparently you can buy some equipment on the cheap...from the link

    At this point it is important to purchase the necessary equipment and establish the assembly process. After the release of the prototype and qualitative study of all its possibilities, it will be possible to start mass production. According Dantseva, mass production of such systems is scheduled for the period 2019....
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:20 am

    Cyberspec wrote:

    Aparently you can buy some equipment on the cheap...from the link

    At this point it is important to purchase the necessary equipment and establish the assembly process. After the release of the prototype and qualitative study of all its possibilities, it will be possible to start mass production. According Dantseva, mass production of such systems is scheduled for the period 2019....

    True, but I meant those are only chips not smartphones, ipods, tablets, smart tvs and so on.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:20 am

    Multimedia...what does that mean?

    Russia produces so far:
    Chips for top boxes - GS Group in Kaliningrad
    Microprocessors for desktops - Elbrus and now Baikal - MCST/Baikal electronics (T-Platforms)
    Microprocessors for controllers of various type - Baikal Electronics, Komdiv MIPS processors, Elbrus

    But the more the better.

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:

    Aparently you can buy some equipment on the cheap...from the link

    At this point it is important to purchase the necessary equipment and establish the assembly process. After the release of the prototype and qualitative study of all its possibilities, it will be possible to start mass production. According Dantseva, mass production of such systems is scheduled for the period 2019....

    True, but I meant those are only chips not smartphones, ipods, tablets, smart tvs  and so on.

    Tablets and Smartphones can technically use the Elbrus 1C but the issue is, no one is doing it.  Instead you will probably end up seeing the Elbrus 1C on alternatives to Raspberry Pi and replacement for controllers.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:35 am

    https://vpk.name/news/203956_processoryi_baikal_nachinayut_prodavatsya_v_roznice_cena_snizhaetsya_v_chetyire_raza.html

    Processors "Baikal" started to sell in retail. The price is reduced four times




    Russian processors "Baikal" became available for free testing everyone. Soon they will be available at retail where they will be able to buy individuals, and their price will decrease four times.


    "Baikal" — for everyone

    As it became known CNews, in the first quarter of 2018 will begin the availability of sales of domestic microprocessors Baikal in retail stores specializing in the sale of electronic components and devices. Processors Baikal-T1 will be sold in the composition of evaluation boards family BFK 3.1 (abbreviation: functional unit control), which produces the company "Baikal electronics" — the developer of the chips.


    In fact the CBF is a single Board computer without the graphics subsystem (specialized video card). In addition, for visual display fee, you can connect to an external monitor — video will be processed by the CPU.


    In the company explain that before these boards with processors "Baikal" was available only for legal entities, and their price was about 200 thousand rubles. Now BFK 3.1 in retail will be sold at a price in the range of 50 thousand rubles., although this amount may be corrected by approximately 5 thousand rubles., depending on the adopted system of taxation.


    The representative of the "Baikal electronics" Andrey Malafeev in a conversation with CNews explained such a substantial reduction in the cost two main factors. First, for the last time significantly increased the circulation of the processors that are manufactured on TSMC Taiwan factory. And secondly, the retail price was excluded the cost of technical support for legal entities was required.


    What stores will be sold "Baikal", the developers have not yet spoken, referring to the unfinished status of the ongoing negotiations.


    Where free can test the "Baikal"

    Wishing to test the capabilities "Baikalov" to their purchase can now do so for free. January 11, it became known that the efforts of the "Baikal electronics", and the faculty of computational mathematics and Cybernetics (CMC), Moscow state University named after M. V. Lomonosov on the basis of the data center VMK started the domestic electronics laboratory, access to which is open to all interested persons.


    Using the resources of the laboratory, called the Laboratory of electronics "Baikal" (LEB),it is possible to evaluate CPU performance and decisions based on it, as well as debugging application and system software.


    Currently a set of equipment LEB formed on the basis of evaluation boards that is family BFK 3.1. The server part of the LAB built on the platform of E-Class produced by the company "T-Platforms" — the parent structure in relation to the "Baikal electronics". With the development of LEB and planned increase in the fleet of available devices based on the domestic processors.


    Access to the LAB is organized using domains: baik.al and baikal.cs.msu.ru. Priority access to the lab is available to students and staff of MSU, members of the research teams in Russia and abroad. For all users of the LAB provide for reservation of computing resources, it is the administrator of the laboratory on request.


    The cooperation agreement between "Baikal electronics", and CMC MSU was signed in the spring of 2017 It provides use in educational process of the University of modern computing systems based on processors of the family, "Baikal", the research on performance analysis of such computer systems and search for possibilities of improvement, and coordination of efforts to monitor the fundamental, technological and technical achievements in the field of computing systems.


    Baikal-T1, copies of releases, the cost of development, consumers

    Baikal-T1 is a processor architecture MIPS (Microprocessor without Interlocked Pipeline Stages), created in accordance with the concept of RISC, that is, for processors with a reduced set of commands.


    Development of the processor was completed at the end of 2014, and in December "Baikal electronics" has transferred to the factory TSMC so-called GDS code products for its release. In may 2015, the company announced the release of engineering samples.


    Then it was reported that the development was implemented with the support of the Ministry of industry and trade with funding from the Department and the Federal target program "Development of electronic component base and radio electronics for 2008-2015" and investment companies "T-nano" and "T-platforms" (parent company "Baikal electronics"). The specific amount of investment in the project "Baikal" did not disclose.


    Next, the samples were manually tested, and the "Baikal" made sure they work properly. After that, the company at the end of summer 2015, submitted an application to the expert Council of the industry development Fund (PDF) under the Ministry of industry and trade to receive thematic loan to continue the project — start of serial production.


    In October 2015, the preferential loan was approved. At the level of private capital to 288 million rubles. the volume of this loan amounted to 500 million rubles-For the money "Baikal" in December 2015, placed an order for TSMC. In September 2016, the world saw the so-called initial batch of about 10 thousand processors.


    In March 2017, in the "Baikal electronics" announced the imminent release of the 100-thousandth of the industrial party. After that, the company ordered other copies, but to disclose information about their volumes are not yet ready.


    The main consumers of Baikal-T1 are producers of telecommunication equipment (routers, IP phones, storage, etc.), computing, hardware for embedded systems (industrial control, terminals, automotive systems, etc.). Consumption of processors in these markets, according to estimates of FRP, increases in the range of 7-15% per year.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:30 am



    Russia needs to build and produce their own Semiconductors at home.. not in Taiwan..
    Because the later is a puppet State of US and can be easily demanded by Americans to cut
    any business with Russia and they will need to obey their masters.

    The ideal computer industry in Russia will be one ,where Russia design and manufacture
    at home all the parts of a computer or at least the most complex ones.. like is the CPU,
    Graphic Card and Motherboard and the memories too. And also needs to produce the
    software too at home... and as a bonus develop an intranet.. that is a country wide
    private internet with the goals to expand it later to China all Asia ,to friendly nations
    to Russia. Movements like this will really scare Americans industry giants , the idea
    of a growing alternative to their controlled Internet. Later Russia can offer their internet
    through satellite world wide for free with limited speed and with higher speed for people
    that pays. and use Crypto Currencies to buy technology and IT services from Russia.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Project Canada on Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:20 am


    Russia needs to build and produce their own Semiconductors at home.. not in Taiwan..
    Because the later is a puppet State of US and can be easily demanded by Americans to cut
    any business with Russia and they will need to obey their masters.

    Yeah but how come the people pushing for import substitution haven't realized this? Semiconductor is a significant high tech industry so i cant see how they could miss this

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:30 pm

    Project Canada wrote:

    Yeah but how come the people pushing for import substitution haven't realized this? Semiconductor is a significant high tech industry so i cant see how they could miss this

    Because Putin is an Clueless Ignorant.. that don't know what he is doing ...  No

    My bet is US is waiting for the perfect time , to block Russia from using Taiwan manufacturing industry .
    So the whole project of balkai and elbrus will collapse as soon take off. No
    Russia semiconductor industry could be killed withing an hour in US Senate with a new Round
    of Sanctions. No  

    If Putin wants Russia to ever become relevant in the world , and be taken seriously and no longer
    disrespected and humiliated ,as they are every week , then Putin needs to promote REAL INDEPENDENCE.. and no
    a limited one . as they now have. no longer depend on foreign technology Business ,that Americans can easily block for them.  Is not practical that Russia start building every little thing , the west produce.. but that it needs to jump
    in the business of the future race.. like major electronic giants are , all NATO allies , and leave behind their soviet past.

    Russia needs to look at Japan ,South Korea ,Taiwan.. or even Israel.  far smaller nations ,without oil and gas ,
    that are far more developed than Russia in modern civilian business. Russia have everything to become the world
    leader in innovative and future looking Business , it all the resources at hand ,all the energy and scientific talent too.
    what it lacks is on leadership. and the correct direction. If Putin support for meaningless sports was magically changed for support for technology and science .. then Russia already will be at the level of Japan if not better in Innovative
    technology Future looking business. and NATO will not be looking to fight Russia.. but instead to get closer to it..
    Since every one likes to follow leaders..


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:44 pm

    They already do through both Angstrom and Mikran.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:30 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    My bet is US is waiting for the perfect time , to block Russia from using Taiwan manufacturing industry .
    So the whole project of balkai and elbrus will collapse as soon take off. No
    Russia semiconductor industry could be killed withing an hour in US Senate with a new Round
    of Sanctions. No  
     


    Russia dual source the elbrus CPUs, the mil grade manufactured in Russia, the non important ones in Taiwan.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:00 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    My bet is US is waiting for the perfect time , to block Russia from using Taiwan manufacturing industry .
    So the whole project of balkai and elbrus will collapse as soon take off. No
    Russia semiconductor industry could be killed withing an hour in US Senate with a new Round
    of Sanctions. No  
     


    Russia dual source the elbrus CPUs, the mil grade manufactured in Russia, the non important ones in Taiwan.

    Same with Komdiv 32 and 64, various of Micron chips of 65nm and higher, Elvees chips of the same, etc.

    It's funny but technically Russia has two FABS. If you count the facility in Kaliningrad at GS technopolis, then 3.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:37 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/103276/

    From 2008 to 2018, the speed of the Russian processors have increased 10 000 times

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:15 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    My bet is US is waiting for the perfect time , to block Russia from using Taiwan manufacturing industry .
    So the whole project of balkai and elbrus will collapse as soon take off. No
    Russia semiconductor industry could be killed withing an hour in US Senate with a new Round
    of Sanctions. No  
     


    Russia dual source the elbrus CPUs, the mil grade manufactured in Russia, the non important ones in Taiwan.

    Same with Komdiv 32 and 64, various of Micron chips of 65nm and higher, Elvees chips of the same, etc.

    It's funny but technically Russia has two FABS.  If you count the facility in Kaliningrad at GS technopolis, then 3.



    The KOMDIV-64 (Russian: КОМДИВ-64) is a family of 64-bit microprocessors developed by the Scientific Research Institute of System Development (NIISI) of the Russian Academy of Sciences and manufactured by TSMC, UMC, GlobalFoundries, and X-Fab.

    So where is Russian chips manufactured...  again??

    TSMC =Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company...
    UMC = United Microelectronics Corporation.. .Taiwan.
    GlobalFoundries=  foundry headquartered in Santa Clara, California, United States.
    X-Fab =  The X-FAB Silicon Foundries is a group of semiconductor foundries, with headquarters in Erfurt ,Germany.

    Russia needs to be a real Independence nation.. and end its dependence on the west and its puppet allies
    for technology..
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:38 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    My bet is US is waiting for the perfect time , to block Russia from using Taiwan manufacturing industry .
    So the whole project of balkai and elbrus will collapse as soon take off. No
    Russia semiconductor industry could be killed withing an hour in US Senate with a new Round
    of Sanctions. No  
     


    Russia dual source the elbrus CPUs, the mil grade manufactured in Russia, the non important ones in Taiwan.

    Same with Komdiv 32 and 64, various of Micron chips of 65nm and higher, Elvees chips of the same, etc.

    It's funny but technically Russia has two FABS.  If you count the facility in Kaliningrad at GS technopolis, then 3.



    The KOMDIV-64 (Russian: КОМДИВ-64) is a family of 64-bit microprocessors developed by the Scientific Research Institute of System Development (NIISI) of the Russian Academy of Sciences and manufactured by TSMC, UMC, GlobalFoundries, and X-Fab.

    So where is Russian chips manufactured...  again??

    TSMC =Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company...
    UMC = United Microelectronics Corporation.. .Taiwan.
    GlobalFoundries=  foundry headquartered in Santa Clara, California, United States.
    X-Fab =  The X-FAB Silicon Foundries is a group of semiconductor foundries, with headquarters in Erfurt ,Germany.

    Russia needs to be a real Independence nation.. and end its dependence on the west and its puppet allies
    for technology..

    Bugger off, troll. You cite and example of a case where Russia takes advantage of global foundries and claim
    this proves that no domestic foundries exit. This is patent trolling.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:56 am

    Can you put him on ignore please? He doesn't contribute anything to the forums as well doesn't know what he is talking about. It's a waste of time.

    Instead, we can talk about real stuff like real development of Russian processors and Angstrom T as well as Russia's other tech sites and fabs.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:56 am

    kvs wrote:
    Bugger off, troll.   You cite and example of a case where Russia takes advantage of global foundries and claim
    this proves that no domestic foundries exit.    This is patent trolling.

    If Russia have domestic foundries.. then why he use Taiwan to manufacture their silicon then?
    or Americans industries? Because their foundries are primitive and not as advanced as TMSC ?

    Russia is way behind that even small nations like Taiwan and Israel or even South Korea in semiconductors
    and electronics.. And i don't see things to be better any time soon ,if they continue depending of foreign nations for
    advance technology . No

    What will Russia do if Russia banned from Using electronics from US and its allies? from the electronic giants?
    Perhaps that will be a good thing if happens.. that way will teach him to no longer depend of foreign
    technology ,specially the one that comes from Puppet states of the west. No

    Russia investment in semiconductors is a step in the right direction.. but will be a waste of time ..
    if they continue depending on the American Business world.. the one they own or control. Russia semiconductor
    industry needs to be done all at home . Thats what Independence really is.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Singular_Transform on Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:10 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Bugger off, troll.   You cite and example of a case where Russia takes advantage of global foundries and claim
    this proves that no domestic foundries exit.    This is patent trolling.

    If Russia have domestic foundries.. then why he use Taiwan to manufacture their silicon then?
    or Americans industries? Because their foundries are primitive and not as advanced as TMSC ?

    Russia is way behind that even small nations like Taiwan and Israel or even South Korea in semiconductors
    and electronics.. And i don't see things to be better any time soon ,if they continue depending of foreign nations for
    advance technology . No

    What will Russia do if Russia banned from Using electronics from US and its allies? from the electronic giants?
    Perhaps that will be a good thing if happens.. that way will teach him to no longer depend of foreign
    technology ,specially the one that comes from Puppet states of the west. No

    Russia investment in semiconductors is a step in the right direction.. but will be a waste of time ..
    if they continue depending on the American Business world.. the one they own or control. Russia semiconductor
    industry needs to be done all at home . Thats what Independence really is.

    There is two grade, military and industrial.

    The military , like the S-400 CPUs, C&C computer and so on needs to be manufactured in Russia.

    The other , second importance stuff can came from abroad.
    The advantage in that case is the lack of backdoor, like on AMD/Intel CPUs.

    All of these boiling down to cost.Russia is not the CCCP.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:01 pm

    Vann is just a retard.

    It's simple really, as you said. The military grade variants are usually 90nm and higher while Russia produces 65nm and higher for military and or government use. All others as said can be made at TMSC. China does the same thing, especially with their new upcoming processors that's a JV between Shanghai company and VIA of Taiwan.

    Already Mikron and Rostec are negotiating to work together once the lawsuit against rosneft and their parents company is done (they already came to an agreement) and the plan is to get financing from Rostec to upgrade existing facility to produce 25nm and lower.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Project Canada on Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:01 pm

    Concern "Almaz-Antey" has created a personal computer for the needs of military and rescuers




    All-Russian Scientific Research Institute of Radio Equipment "(VNIIRA, a member of the Almaz-Antey VKO Concern) is completing the creation of a personal computer using exclusively domestic components, said Jan Novikov, the general director of the concern, Interfax reported on Wednesday.

    "Only the domestic component base, from the case to the microcircuit, is used in the product, which completely excludes any theoretically possible extraneous influence on the operation of the computer," said Y.Novikov, whose words are given by the press service of the concern.

    He noted that the holding expects interest in the new development by the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergencies of Russia.

    In the future, a separate production line can be opened for the production of new computers, Ya. Novikov said.

    According to him, another rescuer may be interested in another new development of the holding - a specialized robotic complex. 

    Work on this product is conducted by another concern of the concern - JSC Design Bureau of Special Machine Building. For the production of these robotic complexes, the territory of the North-West regional center of the concern in St. Petersburg, which is not currently in use, will be used, the report said.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:06 pm

    I wonder which processor though? The Baikal T MIPS or the VLIW Elbrus? The Elbrus 1C also has a igpu to it, not sure about the Baikal T.

    Guess they want to compete against the likes of others such as Kraftway in trying to get into the domestic computer market using domestic components.

    If they are aiming for another processor line of their own design, then I am not so sure about it.

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