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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:29 am

    Why not aim to have these chips sold to more than listed countries? I bet they would be beneficial in countries like Venezuela, Iraq, Iran, etc.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:49 pm

    The Elbrus processors for the mass market
    As is known, the Russian company MCST, part of the United Instrument Corporation (OPK), announced for 2016 serial production of the latest domestic OCTA-core processor Elbrus-8C technology 28 nm.
    According to the statement of the General Director of OPK Alexander Yakunin: now Elbrus 8C is tested and at the end of the year should go to the state tests.
    And here in July, Vladimir Putin expressed confidence that the domestic use of microprocessors Elbrus will not remain the lot of only the military, and soon spread to many civil industry.
    Mentioned presidential statement was made at the it forum "Territory of meanings on the Klyazma" during the meeting of Putin with young scientists. Here's what was said, almost verbatim:
    Y. Ivanik: Good afternoon, Mr Putin. My name is Yuri Ivanik. I came from Krasnodar, of Academy IMSIT, student.
    I have a question. Asked a question about import substitution. I know that MCST, if I'm not mistaken, has developed a processor architecture Elbrus-M, but at the moment it is only available to certain institutions and, in my opinion, some military. Such question: whether it is available to civil or it will remain as defense part?
    Vladimir Putin: You know, any discoveries, achievements, and developments in the military for the needs of defense and security sooner or later be consigned civil industries and civic life. The Internet, as of this began. Intelligence was developed 30 years ago, and then began to introduce. First, for correspondence in the States, and then wider and wider.
    Into space how people flew? What did you work on? Over the means of delivery of a nuclear warhead — that worked for. And Queens has worked on it, among other things, first and foremost, and then all civil program. We have.
    We are still our partners and competitors "will rejoice" our latest developments in the field of defence and security. But what we will show, we won't keep forever secret, one way or another will be used in civil industries. And this [development Elbrus] too, of course.
    Elbrus were supported by the state?
    In a press-service of the defence industry, which includes the company MCST, in an interview with CNews.ru stated that it was not initiated such a question to Putin, and the Corporation and the company MCST did not participate in the forum "Territory of meanings on the Klyazma".
    However, the process looks like and the last statement of the President suggests that in our electronics really began tectonic shifts.
    Try to understand yourself, what is actually happening and how MP Elbrus is planned to be used and applied in various spheres of Russian electronics and related areas. To do this, let's just look at a plan of import substitution in the electronic industry of Russia and look for the word Elbrus.
    In addition, the plan provides for the creation on the basis of domestic processor, the following components for the mass market:
    • Tablet for the mass market and the hardware platform of the Russian production to create a line of tablets
    • Tablet for organizations and institutions (with high requirements for data protection) on the basis of domestic hardware platform, including protected
    • Personal supercomputer is a high — performance workstation and equipment for a range of finished devices
    • Home-based routers local network
    • Telecommunication equipment
    • Medical equipment
    • Microwave electronics
    • Led technology
    • and much more
    Well, as they say, draw your own conclusions ...
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    http://minpromtorg.gov.ru...upload/files/docs/662.PDF
    http://www.cnews.ru/top/2...danskoe_primenenie_597538
    http://mcst.ru/vosmiyader...or-s-arkhitekturoj-elbrus
    http://mcst.ru/arm-elbrus401
    http://mcst.ru/server_elbrus-4.4
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:50 pm

    First deliveries debug complexes with Multiclet R1

    Looks like Microclet will start to get customers.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  victor1985 on Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:54 am

    Anyone has a book or something about computer chips? Something with details about how they are work and how are they builded?
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    Post  kvs on Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:15 am

    victor1985 wrote:Anyone has a book or something about computer chips? Something with details about how they are work and how are they builded?

    Do a search on bookzz.org. It is a great resource for books although somewhat shady.
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    Post  Militarov on Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:34 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Russia's AESA development seems to be going quite well, but the whole setup in terms of media information and open information is so clouded that I have absolutely no idea what is what and who makes what.  I am aware Istok makes some.  Then I am aware that there is another company making them.  Then we get tidbit information of radar systems to be used on ships that are using Russian made GaN modules of roughly 30W each, but we get little no details afterwards.  Apparently there is evidence that the T/R modules for the N036 are roughly 10 - 15W each, but there is some conflicting info if the Zhuk-A uses 5W or 10W modules.  There was apparent issues with cooling the modules which caused issues in terms of performance, but I don't know if they fixed it or not, cause I have only heard rumors that the intended tests for N036 works, so that would mean that they operated in their intended purposes.  Two different companies, so possibly two different solutions to the same problem.

    Now development on making GaAS/GaN modules much cheaper currently in works and using Photons rather than electrons for the semiconductors for future (by 2020).  So I have no real idea.  Not a lot of people do.  That guy Jo over at keypub obtains a ridiculous amounts of info on such things and I know Berkut also made mention as well.  So he is another good one that would possibly know more.

    Yeah i was reading keyp abit on that matter however i see some "holes" in stories and data there, some stuff simply do not..go along. When its about cooling Russians should try working on two-phase cooling with liquid thats what they are doing on West now since they are also having increased issues with cooling and atm existing liquid cooling very soon wont be able to match heat generated by more powerful electronics especially radars and jammers.

    When its about modules producers i belive second one you are mentioning should be Micran.

    Their brochure: http://www.micran.com/sites/micran_eng/tmpl/default/p/files/Micran%20Company.pdf
    Site: http://www.micran.com[/quote]
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:54 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    Russia's AESA development seems to be going quite well, but the whole setup in terms of media information and open information is so clouded that I have absolutely no idea what is what and who makes what.  I am aware Istok makes some.  Then I am aware that there is another company making them.  Then we get tidbit information of radar systems to be used on ships that are using Russian made GaN modules of roughly 30W each, but we get little no details afterwards.  Apparently there is evidence that the T/R modules for the N036 are roughly 10 - 15W each, but there is some conflicting info if the Zhuk-A uses 5W or 10W modules.  There was apparent issues with cooling the modules which caused issues in terms of performance, but I don't know if they fixed it or not, cause I have only heard rumors that the intended tests for N036 works, so that would mean that they operated in their intended purposes.  Two different companies, so possibly two different solutions to the same problem.

    Now development on making GaAS/GaN modules much cheaper currently in works and using Photons rather than electrons for the semiconductors for future (by 2020).  So I have no real idea.  Not a lot of people do.  That guy Jo over at keypub obtains a ridiculous amounts of info on such things and I know Berkut also made mention as well.  So he is another good one that would possibly know more.

    Yeah i was reading keyp abit on that matter however i see some "holes" in stories and data there, some stuff simply do not..go along. When its about cooling Russians should try working on two-phase cooling with liquid thats what they are doing on West now since they are also having increased issues with cooling and atm existing liquid cooling very soon wont be able to match heat generated by more powerful electronics especially radars and jammers.

    When its about modules producers i belive second one you are mentioning should be Micran.

    Their brochure: http://www.micran.com/sites/micran_eng/tmpl/default/p/files/Micran%20Company.pdf
    Site: http://www.micran.com

    Alright, so Micran is the other company that makes them besides JSC Istok.  Odd thing is, Micran said their modules are used on MiG-35 Zhuk-A radar.  I thought Istok was the one that is used for the modules for MiG.  See, and this is where I was talking about information that is quite scewed.  As for cooling, they are using a method of liquid cooling from my understanding but it is still problematic.  They could have solved that issue though, I am not sure as I heard very little.

    Micran is probably Russia's largest semiconductor company with the most modern lithography machinery in Russia (and lobbying for another $1.5B to further modernize it) and a recent member of a special economic zone.  So expect to see more of their products.  Since they make GaN as they said, then it will probably corner the Russian market (maybe even Istok too would end up being merged or losing out).  Dunno what to think about that....
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    Post  Militarov on Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:13 pm

    Alright, so Micran is the other company that makes them besides JSC Istok.  Odd thing is, Micran said their modules are used on MiG-35 Zhuk-A radar.  I thought Istok was the one that is used for the modules for MiG.  See, and this is where I was talking about information that is quite scewed.  As for cooling, they are using a method of liquid cooling from my understanding but it is still problematic.  They could have solved that issue though, I am not sure as I heard very little.

    Micran is probably Russia's largest semiconductor company with the most modern lithography machinery in Russia (and lobbying for another $1.5B to further modernize it) and a recent member of a special economic zone.  So expect to see more of their products.  Since they make GaN as they said, then it will probably corner the Russian market (maybe even Istok too would end up being merged or losing out).  Dunno what to think about that....

    Yeah they did say they are using liquid cooling, thing is what kind of liquid to they use, fluid mechanics and thermodynamics are as you know nasty areas of engineering, alot of math that barely makes any sense even to people that are actually into it. Also i belive they use single stage liquid coolant systems as anyone else at this point anyways but, buttt if they manage to figure out those on West proposed future two stage coolants...that would make their life alot easier.

    "Two phase-cooling systems outperform single-phase cooling systems for two key reasons. First, two-phase cooling takes advantage of not only the higher heat absorption capacity of the liquid (that is, sensible heat), but also the heat absorbed when the liquid vaporizes (that is, the heat of vaporization). Second, two-phase flow in cooling channels can support orders of magnitude higher heat flux than single-phase liquid flow at comparable coolant flow rates and thermal conditions. For some applications, a two-phase cooling system can operate with less than 50 percent of the flow rate required in single-phase systems. This directly translates into smaller pumps, fluid lines, and quick disconnects, and less pumping power, resulting in a much smaller thermal management system. The resulting higher energy dissipation capacity of a two-phase system is especially important for aircraft and pod applications where SWaP is critical."

    Source: http://mil-embedded.com/articles/two-phase-meets-challenges-modern-radar-applications/

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:29 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Alright, so Micran is the other company that makes them besides JSC Istok.  Odd thing is, Micran said their modules are used on MiG-35 Zhuk-A radar.  I thought Istok was the one that is used for the modules for MiG.  See, and this is where I was talking about information that is quite scewed.  As for cooling, they are using a method of liquid cooling from my understanding but it is still problematic.  They could have solved that issue though, I am not sure as I heard very little.

    Micran is probably Russia's largest semiconductor company with the most modern lithography machinery in Russia (and lobbying for another $1.5B to further modernize it) and a recent member of a special economic zone.  So expect to see more of their products.  Since they make GaN as they said, then it will probably corner the Russian market (maybe even Istok too would end up being merged or losing out).  Dunno what to think about that....

    Yeah they did say they are using liquid cooling, thing is what kind of liquid to they use, fluid mechanics and thermodynamics are as you know nasty areas of engineering, alot of math that barely makes any sense even to people that are actually into it. Also i belive they use single stage liquid coolant systems as anyone else at this point anyways but, buttt if they manage to figure out those on West proposed future two stage coolants...that would make their life alot easier.

    "Two phase-cooling systems outperform single-phase cooling systems for two key reasons. First, two-phase cooling takes advantage of not only the higher heat absorption capacity of the liquid (that is, sensible heat), but also the heat absorbed when the liquid vaporizes (that is, the heat of vaporization). Second, two-phase flow in cooling channels can support orders of magnitude higher heat flux than single-phase liquid flow at comparable coolant flow rates and thermal conditions. For some applications, a two-phase cooling system can operate with less than 50 percent of the flow rate required in single-phase systems. This directly translates into smaller pumps, fluid lines, and quick disconnects, and less pumping power, resulting in a much smaller thermal management system. The resulting higher energy dissipation capacity of a two-phase system is especially important for aircraft and pod applications where SWaP is critical."

    Source: http://mil-embedded.com/articles/two-phase-meets-challenges-modern-radar-applications/


    There is also gas cooling too, but I don't know if they use that in terms of radar systems at all.

    I am curious what Rostec will come up with. Since they have the funding and the facilities, I imagine they will come up with a cooling solution for Micran modules.

    BTW+ to you on the Micran pdf. Because it also has info on Micran's GaN modules which I have been trying to look for for sometime.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Militarov on Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:35 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Alright, so Micran is the other company that makes them besides JSC Istok.  Odd thing is, Micran said their modules are used on MiG-35 Zhuk-A radar.  I thought Istok was the one that is used for the modules for MiG.  See, and this is where I was talking about information that is quite scewed.  As for cooling, they are using a method of liquid cooling from my understanding but it is still problematic.  They could have solved that issue though, I am not sure as I heard very little.

    Micran is probably Russia's largest semiconductor company with the most modern lithography machinery in Russia (and lobbying for another $1.5B to further modernize it) and a recent member of a special economic zone.  So expect to see more of their products.  Since they make GaN as they said, then it will probably corner the Russian market (maybe even Istok too would end up being merged or losing out).  Dunno what to think about that....

    Yeah they did say they are using liquid cooling, thing is what kind of liquid to they use, fluid mechanics and thermodynamics are as you know nasty areas of engineering, alot of math that barely makes any sense even to people that are actually into it. Also i belive they use single stage liquid coolant systems as anyone else at this point anyways but, buttt if they manage to figure out those on West proposed future two stage coolants...that would make their life alot easier.

    "Two phase-cooling systems outperform single-phase cooling systems for two key reasons. First, two-phase cooling takes advantage of not only the higher heat absorption capacity of the liquid (that is, sensible heat), but also the heat absorbed when the liquid vaporizes (that is, the heat of vaporization). Second, two-phase flow in cooling channels can support orders of magnitude higher heat flux than single-phase liquid flow at comparable coolant flow rates and thermal conditions. For some applications, a two-phase cooling system can operate with less than 50 percent of the flow rate required in single-phase systems. This directly translates into smaller pumps, fluid lines, and quick disconnects, and less pumping power, resulting in a much smaller thermal management system. The resulting higher energy dissipation capacity of a two-phase system is especially important for aircraft and pod applications where SWaP is critical."

    Source: http://mil-embedded.com/articles/two-phase-meets-challenges-modern-radar-applications/


    There is also gas cooling too, but I don't know if they use that in terms of radar systems at all.  

    I am curious what Rostec will come up with.  Since they have the funding and the facilities, I imagine they will come up with a cooling solution for Micran modules.

    BTW+ to you on the Micran pdf.  Because it also has info on Micran's GaN modules which I have been trying to look for for sometime.

    Well i assume, indirectly tho, this two stage liquid cooling uses vaporisation as cooling mechanism too, somewhat like our fridges do i guess. Oh, ty, glad to be of help.
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    Micran semiconductor company

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:39 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Alright, so Micran is the other company that makes them besides JSC Istok.  Odd thing is, Micran said their modules are used on MiG-35 Zhuk-A radar.  I thought Istok was the one that is used for the modules for MiG.  See, and this is where I was talking about information that is quite scewed.  As for cooling, they are using a method of liquid cooling from my understanding but it is still problematic.  They could have solved that issue though, I am not sure as I heard very little.

    Micran is probably Russia's largest semiconductor company with the most modern lithography machinery in Russia (and lobbying for another $1.5B to further modernize it) and a recent member of a special economic zone.  So expect to see more of their products.  Since they make GaN as they said, then it will probably corner the Russian market (maybe even Istok too would end up being merged or losing out).  Dunno what to think about that....

    Yeah they did say they are using liquid cooling, thing is what kind of liquid to they use, fluid mechanics and thermodynamics are as you know nasty areas of engineering, alot of math that barely makes any sense even to people that are actually into it. Also i belive they use single stage liquid coolant systems as anyone else at this point anyways but, buttt if they manage to figure out those on West proposed future two stage coolants...that would make their life alot easier.

    "Two phase-cooling systems outperform single-phase cooling systems for two key reasons. First, two-phase cooling takes advantage of not only the higher heat absorption capacity of the liquid (that is, sensible heat), but also the heat absorbed when the liquid vaporizes (that is, the heat of vaporization). Second, two-phase flow in cooling channels can support orders of magnitude higher heat flux than single-phase liquid flow at comparable coolant flow rates and thermal conditions. For some applications, a two-phase cooling system can operate with less than 50 percent of the flow rate required in single-phase systems. This directly translates into smaller pumps, fluid lines, and quick disconnects, and less pumping power, resulting in a much smaller thermal management system. The resulting higher energy dissipation capacity of a two-phase system is especially important for aircraft and pod applications where SWaP is critical."

    Source: http://mil-embedded.com/articles/two-phase-meets-challenges-modern-radar-applications/


    There is also gas cooling too, but I don't know if they use that in terms of radar systems at all.  

    I am curious what Rostec will come up with.  Since they have the funding and the facilities, I imagine they will come up with a cooling solution for Micran modules.

    BTW+ to you on the Micran pdf.  Because it also has info on Micran's GaN modules which I have been trying to look for for sometime.

    Well i assume, indirectly tho, this two stage liquid cooling uses vaporisation as cooling mechanism too, somewhat like our fridges do i guess. Oh, ty, glad to be of help.

    That is a possibility as I have gone over with the local engineer and refrigeration mechanic at my office of the different types. My father explained in the past it was simply gas cooling they used when setting up the radar systems for air defense up in northern Canada.

    According to this:
    http://www.micran.com/news/326346/

    Talks about Micran's GaN modules. But the website is not listing it. I can only assume it is because they are keeping it really...secretive of the development of GaN modules as it is still under development stage.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:36 pm

    "Steepness" CMO will help create miniature systems for space and aviation

    Development allows 3-4 times to reduce the size and weight of devices



    The combined instrument-making company has developed multi-chip assembly technology VLSI based on 3D-integration techniques, enabling 3-4 times to reduce the weight and size of the devices. On the basis of its already established an experimental model of a miniature on-board unit for the spacecraft and aircraft.

    Development of technologies, code-named "steepness" engaged Concern "Constellation", the Research Institute of Electronic Technology in cooperation with NGOs Automatics. Academician NA Semikhatova.

    A new technology based on 3D-integration techniques allows to increase the functionality of devices per unit area and volume, improve their performance, lower power consumption products. With it has made on-board processing unit, storage, and exchange of information with external devices that are used, for example, microminiature control systems of spacecraft.

    Weight-board module based on the old planar technology of hybrid microcircuits of 38 grams, the new module - 10 grams, which is almost 4 times less. Dimensions reduced by 3 times - from 150 to 48 mm. In this functional characteristics remain unchanged.

    "This technology can be called basic and advanced. Today, it can be used in parallel planar, but is intended to replace it in the future - said the chief designer of developmental work "steepness" Andrei Stoyanov. - The stock performance of the module created by this technology, many times the overall performance of its constituent elements. This makes it possible to apply the technology in the future with the most modern and productive elements of electronic components - ultrafast signal processing microprocessors, microcontrollers, memory circuits and other large volume. ".

    Now on the basis of the concern "Constellation" is a further elaboration of technology to create a wide range of high-speed miniaturized multichip modules computing and control devices in the fields of space and aviation.

    http://rostec.ru/news/4517313
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:11 pm

    Photofacts: Construction progress Angstrom-T


    my fav quote:
    And I thought about this plant the whole country knows. In comments to the news by any opponents continually reduce calls to their own lack of microelectronic production. That this plant is the solution.

    The truth is not all, but a large part of it. This is the first full-cycle plant (sputtering plates, lithography, korpusirovka chips). The installed equipment allows now producing chips with 90 nm toponormoy. After developing its own technology or licensing it from other plants (Micron, STM, IBM) will be producing chips with 45 nm toponormoy without serious modernization of equipment. If modify existing factory lithographers to use liquids as lenses, it will be possible to receive modern toponormy up to 22 nm.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:17 am

    First look at Elbrus-8C motherboard with processor

    Photo taken from sdelanounas website

    So as a gift to all nerds such as myself for the new years, MCST has released the first look of Elbrus-8C microprocessor and its motherboard.

    Last year (2015) was a tough year, with sanctions and the need to fast track development for import substitution, especially in the microelectronics sector of the economy. But MCST is working hard and so far have apparently completed tests of three chips: Elbrus-8C (8 core Elbrus E2K cores), Elbrus-1C+ (Single Elbrus E2K core with integrated GPU) and KPI-2 Southbridge chipset.

    Other interesting news is that MCST is continuing work on their MCST-R line of processors (which use the V9 of SPARC architecture) and will be coming out with a 28nm variant of it, as well as tests completed on Elbrus Servers 4.4 using the Elbrus E2K Core 4 core processors (Elbrus-4C) and workstations Elbrus-401 which also utilizes the Elbrus-4C processor. Both systems are currently available for purchase but are not open to standard use but for government and industrial use as far as I am aware. So such systems will not be replacing your Intel or AMD systems anytime soon if you so wish to.

    I wish MCST the best in 2016 in their endeavors, as this is very important for import substitution and for government agencies/military as a whole. Hopefully, with enough orders, such systems will become much cheaper in the long run and will become available for personal computer consumer market.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Kimppis on Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:21 pm

    It seems that Russia isn't doing too well in supercomputers:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/moores-law-for-supercomputers/

    Any future plans? Are they only using domestic chips or why do they rank so low? Isn't that a major issue?
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:36 pm

    Kimppis wrote:It seems that Russia isn't doing too well in supercomputers:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/moores-law-for-supercomputers/

    Any future plans? Are they only using domestic chips or why do they rank so low? Isn't that a major issue?

    The only thing that matters is if the research institutes and industrial design centers have access to the systems
    they need. These won't be listed in any Top 500 list unless they feel the need to join this NATO circle jerk.

    The largest supercomputers are useful for fluid dynamics simulations, which include nuclear bomb detonations
    and atmospheric chemistry and transport models at high resolution. It looks like Russia does not need to
    simulate its nuclear devices like the USA. One can laugh and dick stroke about how Russians are inferior, but
    they have always relied on mathematical approaches (e.g. asymptotic perturbation expansions) and pencil
    and paper instead of a big numerical box. They have clearly done quite well with their approach.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:40 pm

    Major institutes like Rosatom or various schools amd defense companies have supercomputers.  The rest on the list is like what KVS said, wank session.  T-Platforms and another company deals with HPC's and making them, so they have them and the ability.  But to simply state that they need them to be part of a ranking is a waste of money.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:34 am

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:00 pm

    Kimppis wrote:It seems that Russia isn't doing too well in supercomputers:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/moores-law-for-supercomputers/

    Any future plans? Are they only using domestic chips or why do they rank so low? Isn't that a major issue?

    First and foremost..

    The term "Super computer" is very misleading. It can mean anything .Many of those servers use hardware a decade old..the magic of the "super thing" comes by spending millions dollars in buying thousands of computers and organizing them in a network ,to work as a team. can you imagine a computer how obsolete becomes after 10 years?  All those servers contest about who is the faster is just a benchmark of the speed of a combination of many hundreds or thousands of computers together calculating a mathematical operation. And the speed at which those "super computers" , that will be better called Super networks. Is highly dependent on how much money you invest on it.

    Means that if Russia wanted in this year to take the #1 position.. all they need to create a network bigger than the one China have..spend more money than them and configure /organize/Program the servers so no computer is idle doing nothing and that every server is always busy..whenever running any test.

    That said. Any nation with money can create a super computer and be the fastest. it all depends of how much $$ money you invest in the servers. Those "Super computers" use ,are very limited. Usually they used to simulate Weather in the world.. or simulate earthquakes..
    no big deal.. the most important task could be sharing data.. like Facebook for example need to have Super Computers to actualize billions of tons of data that people enter in the world.

    But if you do a test in real time graphics performance ,something like video games.
    then even a Playstation 4 will beat the hell of those top 500 super computers in running
    graphics in real time. That means ,that top 500 super computers it means next to nothing. that X country managed to organize lots of servers to do run one useless test very fast.

    Perhaps those supercomputers will be very fast running mathlab or autocad. but if you pick for example a program like adobe video or Photoshop,it will lose the "super part" and become a super crap , its performance will be no better than your top of the line single personal PC.

    So the best name for those "super computers.. will be something like Super Limited Super Servers. Because contrary to top of the line Personal Computers that people can buy , that can do everything. Those "SUper" Servers are only designed with one particular software or application in mind. either to Run Autocad/or Matlab very fast.
    or Transfer millions or billions of server files very fast.. something like transfering the personal medical record of a million of people from one server to another.. etc.

    So there is nothing to look at the "super computers". Its a meaningless benchmark.
    Because do not measure new technology. it only measure Money invested ,organization of servers and good configuration to perform one or two task very fast. and nothing else.

    What will be a real Test.. and really interesting .is to compare future Elbrus processors vs Intel I7 processors. In the most used business applications and video games. China design no computers , Russia does. BUilding a super computer is all about going shopping and spending hundred of millions dollars in Intel or Amd or IBM servers. and organizing,configuring them well ,for better performance in a limited applications.

    All Said..
    Why would Russia need a "super computer"?
    it will not help Pak-FA to be better.. neither Armata. Neither will help Russia space program.
    Probably to predict earthquakes "better" but not even Japan had any success with that . the most practical use of them will be for Civil Engineer , to calculate very huge structures.
    SOmething like the China Super bridge for example had to be simulated there. But it could have been done in any other super server too in the top 500 or top 1000. but less fast.

    A real super computer for me.. will be something totally new.. lets say quantum computers ,that
    do mathematical computations manipulating atoms. and that such technology is fully developed for consumer and business daily use and that runs all today application
    but a hundred of times faster.  That will be really BIG.  

    Since the silicon based computers are with us..since when? since the 60's..
    Anyone that develops a computer that its circuits no longer use semiconductors /silicon and manipulate atoms this time and instead of electricity use light,that will be HUGEEEEEE as big
    as landing on mars today ,building a base while filming it and then return a year later safely .

    This Elbrus Computer Russia is building is much more prestigious and more big deal
    than a going shopping of thousand american processors and organizing them ,to create the
    fastest Network in the world. This is because Russia is developing new Technology that could replace Americans one ,while China is not.



    It looks like Russia does not need to
    simulate its nuclear devices like the USA. One can laugh and dick stroke about how Russians are inferior, but
    they have always relied on mathematical approaches (e.g. asymptotic perturbation expansions) and pencil
    and paper instead of a big numerical box. They have clearly done quite well with their approach.


    Correct.. Russia have no need for being in the top 10 or top 100 supercomputers. To build
    a super server just for the fun of it and bragging rights is total silly . Yeah physical simulations,
    weather ,counting stars in the galaxy?  lol1    Japan used their super computers to predict
    earthquakes and so far no one will believe they have been successful in that. The best use
    i see for Super Computer is in Entertainment industry   Very Happy  , to render those nice shots of
    3d movies in no time. but also for engineering of super giant structures.. like very long bridges
    or buildings..and very quickly do double check by hand and pencil and by computer of everything.  Russia dont need a super computer..  but they do need to d comesign completely NEW COmputers never done before ,for import substition and for security ,to replace American technology in Russia.

    the next article will illustrate more about super computers.. how they are used .



    But what the heck can you do with a super computer?

    The short answer is: Not much. Or at least, nothing that mere mortals like you or I usually concern ourselves with.  

    http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/122159-what-can-you-do-with-a-supercomputer

    But is not so bad.. Supercomputers is used for research by scientist. The problem however
    comes ,for the very fact that the super speed will be totally useless even in the few things
    a super computer can be used.. if the program used is not done right. So if for example you
    have 1 million computers trying to solve a mathematical problem.. but one programmer by mistake enters the wrong value or formula.. then the entire work will be wasted.  Im really
    skeptic about the benefits of them. For the fact that computers do not work with real time
    information. things that happens in the now. computer data is always recorded ,stored and is old. So if you for example enter in a super computer all the traffic accidents in the world ,and how they happened. the computer will be still unable to predict future accidents with total accuracy. all said to study the behavior of nature or of the human body and to try to predict the future by looking at old data , is doomed to failure. because such things are random and do not follow any script or predictable pattern. Japan have failed in the use of their Supercomputers to
    predict earthquakes for examples.. and Super computers will also fail to predict illness or find cure for anything. the right place for Super Computers should not be research.. or to "discover anything" in my opinion.. but simply to speed things , that human can do ,but will take them much more time.. It also can be used to organize endless data so that you can more easier study it and find exactly what you want.

    So in summary Computers/super computers,are useless to discover anything new.
    Because they operate with the data that you enter ,so do not reason..
    What Super Computers can do , is help Organize Mega Tons of Information that you enter
    ,so that it will help you see things.. to better study your own information ,that is to make it easier to visualize things. but also to speed calculations in mathematics. and display graphics too.  But Super Computers will never be able to discover anything new or create new science.
    So this is the reason Why Russia don't need a "super computer" in the top positions because there is no use for it.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:36 pm

    I was reading comments section on sdelanounas.ru on the computer using the baikal cup and good God are people negative and making crap up. They say all components are Chinese and that nothing is Russian and import substitution is all security and none for commercial, etc etc etc. I think the website got jacked to because I don't recognize any of the posters.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:36 pm

    George1 wrote:Russian processor "Baikal"



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1807051.html

    The MIPS architecture used by the Baikal is very good. It has better per MHz performance than Intel CPUs. But is clocked lower.
    They should push the 6 CPU format into desktop machines.

    https://imgtec.com/mips/warrior/p-class-p5600-multiprocessor-core/

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