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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Neutrality on Fri May 15, 2015 12:36 pm

    Some awesome news about Angstrem-T: http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62090/

    -First significant mass production of chips in Russia
    -Topology from 130nm - 90nm on 200mm wafers
    -Option to upgrade up to 45nm without significant investment

    This is the sort of news that gives me a hard-on Cool
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Fri May 15, 2015 4:49 pm

    Thanks for the news. So it appears that there are two (or more, not entirely sure) companies that produce microprocessors at this stage in Russia. Angstrom will be able to make 180-90nm tech while already Mikron Group produces in the 90nm and already started some pilot batches in 65nm. I wonder why Angstrom is so far behind? Added construction was started in 2012, so it also has take a while (there were problems, of course).

    Hopefully there will be a major push by Rostec and the like (Rostec I believe has stake in Angstrom) to advanced beyond the 90nm and 45nm technology and move even further. 90nm so far seems to be profiting for Russian company Mikron in the field of RFID cards (They are the main producer of the domestic payment card) and will be manufacturing the Elbrus-2SM processor. Rostec has good experiences with companies like Schwab (former UOMZ) in modernizing the company and producing competitive and profitable products for civil purposes.

    Anyway, thanks for the post! Very good news.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Kyo on Fri May 15, 2015 8:27 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Some awesome news about Angstrem-T: http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62090/

    -First significant mass production of chips in Russia
    -Topology from 130nm - 90nm on 200mm wafers
    -Option to upgrade up to 45nm without significant investment

    This is the sort of news that gives me a hard-on Cool

    This is superb news.

    Therefore the Angstrem-T plant being built will be the first industrial plant capable of mass production of microelectronics in Russia. Volumes of production affect the cost of the chips, and this, combined with the fact that Angstrom will use worldwide spread use of IBM technology, will transfer a great portion of the global production circuits currently from overseas to Russia.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Fri May 15, 2015 9:31 pm

    Kyo wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:Some awesome news about Angstrem-T: http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62090/

    -First significant mass production of chips in Russia
    -Topology from 130nm - 90nm on 200mm wafers
    -Option to upgrade up to 45nm without significant investment

    This is the sort of news that gives me a hard-on Cool

    This is superb news.

    Therefore the Angstrem-T plant being built will be the first industrial plant capable of mass production of microelectronics in Russia. Volumes of production affect the cost of the chips, and this, combined with the fact that Angstrom will use worldwide spread use of IBM technology, will transfer a great portion of the global production circuits currently from overseas to Russia.

    I don't know. I wonder how many Mikron can produce up to, cause they are located in the same area, zelenograd, as Angstrom. But Mikron already has 90nm and 65nm production and already doing production for Elbrus 2SM processor. I just dont know to which degree in production they can do.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Sat May 16, 2015 12:46 am

    The news about 45nm is indeed great. It is clear now that Russian IC production capacity is evolving quickly. Recall
    that Russia could only produce 180nm parts for a very long time. This is why the Elbrus was farmed out to a Taiwanese
    company for production.

    Elbrus needs a proper patron to make it fly. MCST is a research institute. As I mentioned before, Intel spends a lot
    of effort refining their CPU masks to optimize performance on a given process. MCST simply does not do this. TSMC
    is not going to do it either. I think the patron can be a fabless chip maker but they have to be a commercial entity
    with a priority on applied development and not theoretical work like MCST.

    MCST is great for germinating the seedling, but the seedling needs a different soil to grow in.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 16, 2015 1:00 am

    MCST is just a fabless chip developer. I think they are more or less jumping fast to developing a chip that is needed for Russian military and institutions. Intel and Samsung got the priveledge in having their own FAB so they can refine/tune it far better than MCST or AMD can. But, as of right now, MCST seems to be more involved in refining their elbrus e2k architecture now since there is the demand for it.

    I think they need to move away from their SPARC line of processors and concentrate 100% on their E2K core. Hopefully, after 8C, they will work on improving the architecture and adding more to it, rather than the simple route of adding more cores. mind you, they are working ob their new chipset as well atm, that will work for 8C. Hopefully, it will go further than that.

    MCST has been around since 90's and half of its institution was sold off to Intel. So current MCST is semi newer. The current line of processors are their real attempt of creating something that isnt a simple license like SPARC, and it only became something in recent years (2007 - 2011). So hopefully, with Angstrom, they can mass produce it locally. Hopefully they get the rights to sell the processors to civil use. Or at least refine the architecture and release processors for civil use. A couple years ago, they said they are very interested in getting into making chips for civil use, but didnt have budget for it and all concentration is on what ministry of industry and trade demanded.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Neutrality on Sat May 16, 2015 1:46 pm

    More on Skolkovo (Russia's Silicon Valley): http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62119/

    That's one giant tech. complex.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Book. on Sat May 16, 2015 6:33 pm

    Neutrality wrote:More on Skolkovo (Russia's Silicon Valley): http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62119/

    That's one giant tech. complex.

    Wow so big. plan universitat edu?

    Russ bear IT!
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Neutrality on Sat May 16, 2015 10:01 pm

    Book. wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:More on Skolkovo (Russia's Silicon Valley): http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62119/

    That's one giant tech. complex.

    Wow so big. plan universitat edu?

    Russ bear IT!

    Is this account created for the sole purpose of trolling?
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 16, 2015 10:02 pm

    He was like this on MP.net. Either his english is none existent or he loves trolling all forums.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat May 16, 2015 11:56 pm

    sepheronx wrote:He was like this on MP.net.  Either his english is none existent or he loves trolling all forums.


    You must accept that none of us can truly understand Book.

    Best we can do is to live according to Book's teachings. angel

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 17, 2015 12:30 pm

    Just assume his comments are not meant to be negative... I see nothing wrong with what he posts... though I do admit I don't always understand him...


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Sun May 17, 2015 2:39 pm

    I am not seeing any trolling from Book.

    But elsewhere I am seeing trolling in the form of repeating bald faced lies and expecting them to be treated as facts.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed May 20, 2015 7:46 pm

    I have a question for sepheronx and kvs. What do you make of this article?

    DIC is developing next-generation technologies for electronics manufacturing

    Using three-dimensional circuits allow to reduce the dimensions and weight of the article several times



    The combined instrument-making corporation intends to master the production of electronic equipment using new technologies. Their use will create a lighter and more compact next-generation electronics - communications equipment, telecommunications equipment, electronic warfare systems, automated control systems and robotic systems, including UAVs.

    As explained by CEO of DIC, Alexander Yakunin, the production of electronic equipment using the multilayer hybrid integrated circuits of high density (3D-GIS, 3-DMS), three-dimensional circuits on plastics (3D-MID) can significantly improve the reliability of the equipment, improve its characteristics for performance and power consumption reduce the size and weight of products in four or eight times.

    The head of the holding company said that these characteristics will be relevant for the equipment supplied in the framework of the state defense order for the space, aviation, navy, for all the equipment that is used in extreme conditions.

    Unlike conventional printed circuit boards, the use of three-dimensional circuits on plastics, where mechanical and electronic components are integrated into an article of plastic, provides a very high design flexibility, simplifies valve construction, reduce its size and weight. This technology is particularly relevant in the production of portable radios, throat microphones, telecommunication equipment.

    Flexible and flex-rigid printed circuit boards with embedded components - the most complex structure connecting modern electronic equipment. Due to its flexibility they allow installation in tight spaces. They can also be used as flexible connectors between the parts of electronic devices, replacing wires, harnesses and connectors. Components thus embedded in the surface of the board, in its base, which allows to reduce the weight and dimensions, to improve its reliability and performance.

    Create electronics based on new generation technologies require DIC modernization of production sites and the introduction of new types of production. However, the company will not hold a total re-equipment, instead plans to form industrial clusters, where each organization will focus on the development of certain core technologies. Clusters will be set up for regional and product principles.

    The Board of Directors approved the Concept of the defense industry production and technology development, under which plans to increase labor productivity by almost 3 times - to the level of the world's manufacturers and 4 times increase the profitability of assets that by 2025 reach a level of 240 billion rubles in revenue and occupy 30 th place in the ranking of the top 100 global manufacturers of electronic products.

    DIC is developing next-generation technologies for electronics manufacturing



    From what I got from the article:

    - It sounds like they're talking about 3-D printing the next-generation of circuit boards out of plastics.

    - They're saying they'll be capable of increasing the efficiency and reliability of electronics while simultaneously reducing the size and weight of electronic components to 1/4th and up to 1/8th size of current electronic components.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 20, 2015 7:54 pm

    It isnt talking about 3D printing of circuits but 3D circuits themselves, which is something I pointed oit earlier in this thread (or another) that is where Russia is aiming for. They are talking of using plastics as well, so my understanding is moving away from ceramics(?) (Maybe KVS can correct me on this).

    Rostec is simply confirming my prediction. This and their move to Photon AESA technology will make Russia leaders in such tech as no one else has done it (photons) or completed it (3D circuitry).

    Sorry for my spelling. Im on phone and without autocorrect, my spelling is horrible.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Wed May 20, 2015 11:47 pm

    http://www.3d-mid.de/cms/front_content/php?changelang=2&changelang=2&idcat=5&idart=5

    From the description of this effort, it looks like a high density 3D circuit board approach. The article
    from Rostec throws in a reference about 3D ICs but then says zero more about them. So I am not sure
    this has anything to do with 3D ICs.

    But the idea of flexible, 3D printed ICs on plastic would fit this theme perfectly. The target for this high integration
    is not microprocessors but radio electronics and similar. I can see such "low level" electronics being amenable
    to printing on metalized thermoplastics and part of a 3D structure.

    http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150103-recent-developments-in-3d-printed-plastic-electronics-showing-promise.html
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Neutrality on Thu May 21, 2015 1:25 pm

    Groundwork for quantum computers has been laid: http://ria.ru/science/20150520/1065620066.html

    Very exciting news this one.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Kyo on Fri May 22, 2015 12:45 am

    This is great news!

    Russian T-Platforms supercomputer sold to Germany

    The companies paid no attention to the political situation and the fact that a year ago T-Platforms was under sanctions

    The company "T-Platforms", a leading developer of computer equipment, announces the signing of a contract with the German Jülich Supercomputer Center for the supply of supercomputer JURECA. The level of peak performance to date, the system enters the top ten supercomputers in Europe. JURECA is the first precedent in the history of the construction of one of the most powerful computing systems of foreign-based Russian equipment .

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62663/
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    Post  Cyberspec on Fri May 22, 2015 1:32 am

    Neutrality wrote:Groundwork for quantum computers has been laid: http://ria.ru/science/20150520/1065620066.html

    Very exciting news this one.


    Kyo wrote:
    The company "T-Platforms", a leading developer of computer equipment, announces the signing of a contract with the German Jülich Supercomputer Center for the supply of supercomputer JURECA. The level of peak performance to date, the system enters the top ten supercomputers in Europe. JURECA is the first precedent in the history of the construction of one of the most powerful computing systems of foreign-based Russian equipment .

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62663/


    Important developments.

    The T-Platforms deal with the Germans is unexpected....I wonder whether the politicians will try to block it...not sure if IT products fall under sanctions
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri May 22, 2015 3:06 am

    Computer software priority bill approved by State Duma committee



    MOSCOW, May 19 (RAPSI) – The State Duma's Information Policy and Communications Committee recommended on Tuesday that lawmakers vote to approve in the first reading a bill which requires Russian state-owned entities to buy domestic computer software, RIA Novosti reported.

    http://www.rapsinews.com/legislation_news/20150519/273749188.html
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 23, 2015 2:36 am

    Russian companies have created their own computing platform
    A number of Russian companies have developed Russian converged platform that will allow you to create data centers for various purposes. Development of a system within the country avoids "bookmarks" in the system.
    Software and hardware solution ROCK-R was developed by IBS, Depo Computers, Parallels and Naumen. It can be used both in military information systems and solutions for commercial and government structures. For example, the elements of the solution already used in the services of the electronic government of Kazakhstan and the Russian energy companies.

    Unlike Western systems manufacturers it is designed for the most typical for Russia scenarios. This is taken into account in the design of motherboards, server configurations and software.
    According to the calculations of the participants of the project, this will allow you to offer products, a third of the cost which is the cost of the work of Russian specialists to offer customers the product is 40 percent cheaper than Western equivalents, but also get certified to use the application server system in the industry and for government agencies, because they can not afraid of bookmarks.

    ROCK-R includes server modules (nodes), the number of which can be changed depending on the required loads from the four computational and two for data storage of up to 44 knots. The maximum supported data to 17 petabytes (a petabyte is a thousand terabytes or a million gigabytes) are supported failover configurations and virtual machines. During the development were the main focus of energy efficiency, as the main costs after entering such systems are electricity.

    The direct costs of the project amounted to 60 million rubles, "even under the old course", according to Sergey Eskin, President Depo Computers, however, all participants noted that it is incorrect to estimate the cost of the project only in cash, since spent hundreds of man-hours of work and used the previously developed technology.

    Sergey Mecocci, Chairman of the Board of IBS, which took on the role of the proponent and architect solutions, announced that import of finished solutions are used only imported processors. When you're ready chips Russian Baikal project, the partners are ready to move on to their application. Other components are manufactured in South East Asia, but they are designed in Russia and to make changes to their schemes unlikely. While IBS is not technically Russian, unlike the other participants of the project, but within a few months plans to complete the transition in the Russian jurisdiction
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Kyo on Mon May 25, 2015 4:20 pm

    Russian Domestic Development Multicore Processor Issued

    Russian "Baikal Electronics" has released an engineering sample of the new multi-core processor "Baikal-T1" at 1.2 GHz on 28 nm process technology. This is stated in a statement. Hopes that the processor will be used in telecom devices, industrial automation


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Neutrality on Mon May 25, 2015 5:10 pm

    Awesome news. Baikal is getting its forms Smile
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Mon May 25, 2015 6:29 pm

    Fantastic news Kyo, thank you for the find.

    Now it is up to Russian companies and developers to buy into this. For instance, Russian cellphone developers and tablet developers like Yota devices and others (I know there are a few Russian brands).
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Mon May 25, 2015 11:56 pm

    Kyo wrote:Russian Domestic Development Multicore Processor Issued

    Russian "Baikal Electronics" has released an engineering sample of the new multi-core processor "Baikal-T1" at 1.2 GHz on 28 nm process technology. This is stated in a statement. Hopes that the processor will be used in telecom devices, industrial automation




    So this thing uses the P5600 MIPS core:

    http://www.imgtec.com/mips/warrior/pclass.asp



    It has 128 bit SIMD integer and FP units. So it can process 4 x 32 bit FP instructions per clock which is nice.

    I though it was an ARM based chip, but it is actually based on MIPS.


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