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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Neutrality on Fri May 08, 2015 8:21 pm

    Anyone heard about "Aquarius"? Well I just did after googling a few things about Russian CPU market and I stumbled on these guys. Looks like a solid company to me with a broad supply of products.

    Also, I just read more on the upcoming Baikal processor. Well it seems it's not entirely Russian. Baikal Electronics and an American company called "Synopsys" teamed up and the latter company's portfolio chip architecture design was chosen as a basis. Good start regardless. TSMC already has shipped working prototypes to the company for evaluation and somewhere in mid-May the mass production model should be printed. If everything goes well, they'll show it at the economic forum in Saint-Petersburg.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Sat May 09, 2015 12:14 am

    Neutrality wrote:Anyone heard about "Aquarius"? Well I just did after googling a few things about Russian CPU market and I stumbled on these guys. Looks like a solid company to me with a broad supply of products.

    Also, I just read more on the upcoming Baikal processor. Well it seems it's not entirely Russian. Baikal Electronics and an American company called "Synopsys" teamed up and the latter company's portfolio chip architecture design was chosen as a basis. Good start regardless. TSMC already has shipped working prototypes to the company for evaluation and somewhere in mid-May the mass production model should be printed. If everything goes well, they'll show it at the economic forum in Saint-Petersburg.

    There is no point in such mutual American -Russian agreements in semiconductor. the major
    goal is to design Computers and software that is 100% safe from US Government dirty hands
    which is the major issue Russia needs to deal.

    All American companies can be forced at gun point if needed by its corrupt government and its secrets revealed to them.. So you cannot depend of any american made technology as long they live in a totalitarian fascist state. Because it will be technology that will have US government spies if Russia participate.

     This is serious security issue in using american technology in for example Russia Space program and military.. because American technology could come with trojan horse surprises ,that disable the hardware.. and for example makes a space rocket or a system of defense like S-500 stop working if they were fool enough to use american technology in them..  The west could also sabotage a Nuclear Reactor if had American computers . So Russia designing their own computers is critical for their nation survival and modernization.  

    Russia is under obligation for security of their country to completely design cutting edge technology ,specially computers that are 100% design by them. for its nation security. They already had them.. but now it needs to take things to the average non government based..business industry , and entertainment too.. thats were the big money is..
    and a new Internet too..  BRICS and LAtin America with will be an Excellent platform to
    launch a new Internet..that could cover the entire world. advertised as free of radical extremism and  free of NSA spying and ideal for family. Not neccessarily free of Porn because Internet will not work without it..lol  but very easy for family to keep it away of children.

    it will become a major success.  Internet Next.. or Internet 2.. can be called. and will promote
    Business in emerging economies. like it is Asia and Latin America.

    As it stand now American companies have the monopoly on internet content and its Windows based Computers.. specially its Operating System , like Windows OS.. Is specifically made to made it easier for the US government and Private american companies and any of its allies to spy on you.. The place you visit and what say and the information on your PC.

    For example there is absolutely NO reason ,for the way it is now .. that a simple visit to an
    internet website is enough for your COmputer to grab a Virus that open your PC to anyone who wants to visit it and steal your personal information.. Microsoft Windows is designed for US government easy spying on everyone.. and that bullshit needs to stop.  Is not only to track "criminals" or "Terrorist" as they will like you to believe , but for stealing of Intellectual  property or simply for spying on their competition what they know and do..

    Im sure with the proper advertising and presentation ,aimed at security and peace of mind,the Elbrus processors  will be a major success. specially in small and big business ,who needs to secure their information.. I really hope Russia continues pushing in the semiconductor and never quits..The world need it. Smile


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Neutrality on Sat May 09, 2015 12:38 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    There is no point in such mutal American -Russian agreements in semiconductor. the major
    goal is to design Computers and software that is 100% safe from US Government dirty hands
    which is the major issue Russia needs to deal.

    All American companies can be controlled by its corrupt government and its secrets revealed
    to them.. So you cannot depend of any american made technology. Because it will be technology that will have US government spies if Russia participate.

     This is serious security issue in using american technology in for example Russia Space program and military.. because American technology could come with trojan horse surprises ,that disable the hardware.. and for example makes a space rocket or a system of defense like S-500 stop working if they were fool enough to use american technology in them..  The west could also sabotage a Nuclear Reactor if had American computers .  

    They already have that covered and it's called Elbrus. As I understand, Elbrus is going to be the basis of the Russian MIC. Meanwhile the Baikal will be produced for less crucial government structures and legal entities.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Sat May 09, 2015 12:45 am



    and how much bits is the new Elbrus processor? Will be nice to see one day 128 bit processors.
    For very deep graphics and precision. and of course with really good speed.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Neutrality on Sat May 09, 2015 2:31 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    and how much bits is the new Elbrus processor? Will be nice to see one day 128 bit processors.
    For very deep graphics and precision. and of course with really good speed.

    64bit? Why would you want to see 128 bit processors? 64bit processors can theoretically support 16EB (exabytes) of RAM. That's 1 billion gigabytes or 1 million terabytes. However, you need software to adress this amount of memory and the most recent version of Windows (W8) can "only" support 512GB of RAM.

    "For very deep graphics and precision". That's what GPU cards are made for. They are alot faster than CPUs in terms of flops. For example, a GTX980 is capable to produce 4,5Teraflops while the i7 5960X does 384Gigaflops. This is also why you need a good dedicated graphics card to play the latest games without any hiccups. Games are very complex calculations and GPUs are capable of delivering that at much faster rates than a CPU. Brute force attacks (for cracking passwords) is also done by mostly using GPUs for the same reason I previously explained.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Sat May 09, 2015 2:58 am

    A minus of the Elbrus architecture, in its current form implemented on silicon, is that it does not do 64 bit floating
    point without a penalty.  The Intel and AMD server chips and their consumer variants do 64 bit FP without any
    penalty.   The Elbrus flop value drops by over a factor of two every time the FP bit count is doubled.  

    I can see this having some value since the chip real estate is not packed with 64 bit wide interconnects and
    this saves power and reduces operating temperature.   But it is rather annoying since double precision math
    is actually necessary in many instances since the single precision math (32 bit) exhibits too much machine
    error intrinsic to this amount of precision.  

    MCST should aim at producing a proper Elbrus server chip that has 64 bit FP built in from scratch.  Some variant
    of SSE3 would be especially worthwhile since having 128 bit deep FPUs and vectorization can really pay off in
    terms of performance.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 09, 2015 10:51 am

    Vliw isnt cisc process. It is RISK, thus defeats the purpose if sse instruction is added. It emulates x86, be it 32bit or 64.


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Sat May 09, 2015 3:42 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Vliw isnt cisc process. It is RISK, thus defeats the purpose if sse instruction is added. It emulates x86, be it 32bit or 64.


    VLIW has no relevance to my point. VLIW is a short pipeline, complex pipeline stage design that in the case of the Elbrus happens
    not to vectorize FP math. SSE introduces 128 bit FPUs that can execute two 64 bit or four 32 bit FP instructions at once and this
    has exactly zero to do with it being used in RISC processors. Before the SSE FPUs there was no capacity to vectorize FP math on
    the Intel CPUs even though they could issue several instructions in a single clock cycle. The Elbrus cannot execute four 32 FP instructions
    at once even though it is a VLIW design:

    http://mcst.ru/mikroprocessor-elbrus4s

    50 gigaflops for 32 bit floating point
    25 gigaflops for 64 bit floating point

    Clearly there is a penalty for doing double precision floating point math on the Elbrus. That was my point and you threw in some
    nonsense about VLIW. The Elbrus VLIW does not vectorize FP operations and does not even give you double precision FP for free.
    The Elbrus VLIW is about how you handle all the other tasks that CPU performs. It can issue 23 operations in one clock cycle, but
    this does not include four 32 bit FP operations. They need to modify the design to increase FP performance. But that costs a lot
    of chip real estate and increase heat output.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Neutrality on Sat May 09, 2015 4:20 pm

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Vliw isnt cisc process. It is RISK, thus defeats the purpose if sse instruction is added. It emulates x86, be it 32bit or 64.


    VLIW has no relevance to my point.   VLIW is a short pipeline, complex pipeline stage design that in the case of the Elbrus happens
    not to vectorize FP math.  SSE introduces 128 bit FPUs that can execute two 64 bit or four 32 bit FP instructions at once and this
    has exactly zero to do with it being used in RISC processors.  Before the SSE FPUs there was no capacity to vectorize FP math on
    the Intel CPUs even though they could issue several instructions in a single clock cycle.  The Elbrus cannot execute four 32 FP instructions
    at once even though it is a VLIW design:  

    http://mcst.ru/mikroprocessor-elbrus4s

    50 gigaflops for 32 bit floating point
    25 gigaflops for 64 bit floating point

    Clearly there is a penalty for doing double precision floating point math on the Elbrus.   That was my point and you threw in some
    nonsense about VLIW.   The Elbrus VLIW does not vectorize FP operations and does not even give you double precision FP for free.  
    The Elbrus VLIW is about how you handle all the other tasks that CPU performs.   It can issue 23 operations in one clock cycle, but
    this does not include four 32 bit FP operations.   They need to modify the design to increase FP performance.   But that costs a lot
    of chip real estate and increase heat output.

    Intel's i7 5960x (the most powerful Intel CPU available for consumers right now) does 817.5GFLOPS in single precision and 408.6GFLOPS in double precision. I have no idea what "penalties" you're talking about.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 09, 2015 5:38 pm

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Vliw isnt cisc process. It is RISK, thus defeats the purpose if sse instruction is added. It emulates x86, be it 32bit or 64.


    VLIW has no relevance to my point.   VLIW is a short pipeline, complex pipeline stage design that in the case of the Elbrus happens
    not to vectorize FP math.  SSE introduces 128 bit FPUs that can execute two 64 bit or four 32 bit FP instructions at once and this
    has exactly zero to do with it being used in RISC processors.  Before the SSE FPUs there was no capacity to vectorize FP math on
    the Intel CPUs even though they could issue several instructions in a single clock cycle.  The Elbrus cannot execute four 32 FP instructions
    at once even though it is a VLIW design:  

    http://mcst.ru/mikroprocessor-elbrus4s

    50 gigaflops for 32 bit floating point
    25 gigaflops for 64 bit floating point

    Clearly there is a penalty for doing double precision floating point math on the Elbrus.   That was my point and you threw in some
    nonsense about VLIW.   The Elbrus VLIW does not vectorize FP operations and does not even give you double precision FP for free.  
    The Elbrus VLIW is about how you handle all the other tasks that CPU performs.   It can issue 23 operations in one clock cycle, but
    this does not include four 32 bit FP operations.   They need to modify the design to increase FP performance.   But that costs a lot
    of chip real estate and increase heat output.

    OK, I see what you are saying.  But Elbrus direct competitor is the Intel Itanium line of processors and I cannot really find much on if it actually does use SSE instructions.

    You can say it is nonsense, but VLIW is RISC by nature and RISC stands for reduced instruction set computing, and SSE introduces 70 instructions.........  Not really reducing it, now is it?  SSE was introduced to compete against AMD's instruction 3DNow!  They could introduce it like you said, of course, all depends on what they are going to end up with in the end as a processor.  If this is the case, they should have gone to x86 processing development instead of VLIW if they need to add plenty of instructions (since Intel has abandoned the project, but this may be the reason why as they could be the only developer in VLIW processing next to Nvidia and AMD (ATI)).

    I am excited to see what they will come up in the future, after 8C.  Because at this point, plenty of money should be going through the system at MCST, and they may come up with something even more interesting, unless it will all be simply more cores and higher speeds.

    Maybe a second development, move away from their SPARC line and add in another line of something else, like an x86 processor.

    I say if they are worried about using licensed tech unlicensed, why would they care?  Especially today's sanctions.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 09, 2015 6:50 pm

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Sun May 10, 2015 2:07 am

    Neutrality wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    and how much bits is the new Elbrus processor? Will be nice to see one day 128 bit processors.
    For very deep graphics and precision. and of course with really good speed.

    64bit? Why would you want to see 128 bit processors? 64bit processors can theoretically support 16EB (exabytes) of RAM. That's 1 billion gigabytes or 1 million terabytes. However, you need software to adress this amount of memory and the most recent version of Windows (W8) can "only" support 512GB of RAM.

    "For very deep graphics and precision". That's what GPU cards are made for. They are alot faster than CPUs in terms of flops. For example, a GTX980 is capable to produce 4,5Teraflops while the i7 5960X does 384Gigaflops. This is also why you need a good dedicated graphics card to play the latest games without any hiccups. Games are very complex calculations and GPUs are capable of delivering that at much faster rates than a CPU. Brute force attacks (for cracking passwords) is also done by mostly using GPUs for the same reason I previously explained.

    128 bits precision Processors will be very good for hardcore graphics..
    with very hardcore precision ,like for example , designing the earth
    and its land mass and continents ,and do a zoom in shot from satellites in space all the way to 1cm on the floor. with very nice detail not blurred shots.  It will also be ideal for games where you can generate graphics to the tiniest detail ,this will also be amazing for hyper realistic lighting effects.  Precision is loss when you go to a distance and this is were 128 bits comes to the rescue.. yes software needs to be made for it..

    GPUs today are ideal for graphics because they have dedicated very fast memory for textures.. but it doesn't need to be that way forever.
    Today memory is cheap and fast and you can buy tons of it . Once you have a processor that is fast enough it could do all without graphics card and in real time.  IF you want to see how much quality processors can do with graphics ,look at Hollywood fantasy or sci fiction movies start wars the latest movie or avatar ,they are full of Processor generated graphics ,composed and edited.
    In the future processors will be fast enough to replace Video cards
    and do it in real time for games ,and all will be done using low level programing language. more closer to the PC hardware. Not depending in proppietary apis like Microsoft directX etc..   Which will be a HUGE plus.. because it will mean no longer any company in the world ,like it is microsoft will have the control of how can you display real time graphics in entertainment industry.

    Whatever a GPU can do.. and Processor can do..and with better graphics ,albeit slower.IS not surprise Cinematics that you see today in video games are most of the times done in CPUS.. not GPU.

    Here is an example of the graphics CPUs with 3d software can do..

    http://www.bulgarov.com/blackphoenix_blackwidow.html

    There is far more freedom ,the quality of graphics you can do with
    a CPU.. GPUS is more about cheating graphics. to simulate CPU graphics done in offline renderers but on real time. But if you had
    a fast enough processor then GPU will not be needed at all.

    GPUS are nothing more than dedicated processors for graphics , and while it sounds good ,is not..because it also means monopoly of American Companies
    with technology graphics.. Better will be Personal PCs done not only for business ,personal use or science but also for heavy graphics too in real time which is video games.. and that do not depends on propietary interfaces of the west ,so any one can develop Next Generation games without depending on propietary graphics.

    GPUs have their place.. they came in a time where PCs were never designed for entertainment..but only for offices running wordperfect
    and office aplications as it was in the 90s. and GPus improved the CPUs shortcommings. but with time sooner or later computers will be made more unified and all computations done by the CPU weather floating point mathematics or intensive graphics. and the cheap cost of fast memory is the ice on the cake.  

    when you speak about GPUs.. what you have is hardware that enhance the capabilities that already your PC have.. is not new graphics but in reality is faster CPU graphics with easier programming.

    But in 10 to 20 years ,when we see new form of processors ,perhaps using instead of silicon ,using something more efficient in managing heat and allowing circuits ,we should start to see 50 to 100Ghz processors with 1 Terabyte fast memory and the end of dedicated hardware for graphics and proppietary software.. Nvidia and AMD will
    try to sabotage this.. but they will not be able to stop it for long. Computers will become more unified , just look at what happened to Sounds Cards... that no longer are need..unless you are musician and need an special interface connector..but sounds are done all in the CPU today.

    In computer graphics there is not such a thing like "enough precision" because for 3d art the limit is not real world life graphics ,so called photo realism. thats actually boring ,turn on the news on your tv and you will get perfect realism,real people images .but PC can do Beyond realism graphics. Is what makes really interesting computer graphics.
    Going beyond normal graphics. For today computer games GPUs graphics however is good enough.  But if you really want to do the best of what a PC can do ,then today best GPU are not good enough.
    You will need to move to offline CPU graphics.


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 13, 2015 4:17 am

    Just an FYI Vann, GPU's are VLIW processors. Elbrus is VLIW. I wonder if in the future MCST will try to incorporate their Elbrus line to creating a graphics processor? Would be cool!

    Anyway:

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/61961/

    So a Novosibirsk company makes motherboards for Intel CPU's. So they have gone further with import substitution and started to make other end parts for the processors that are imported. Maybe as time goes on, they will make motherboards for other type of processors, like China's Loongsong MIIPS processor or MCST Elbrus or future Baikal ARM.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Neutrality on Fri May 15, 2015 12:36 pm

    Some awesome news about Angstrem-T: http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62090/

    -First significant mass production of chips in Russia
    -Topology from 130nm - 90nm on 200mm wafers
    -Option to upgrade up to 45nm without significant investment

    This is the sort of news that gives me a hard-on Cool

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Fri May 15, 2015 4:49 pm

    Thanks for the news. So it appears that there are two (or more, not entirely sure) companies that produce microprocessors at this stage in Russia. Angstrom will be able to make 180-90nm tech while already Mikron Group produces in the 90nm and already started some pilot batches in 65nm. I wonder why Angstrom is so far behind? Added construction was started in 2012, so it also has take a while (there were problems, of course).

    Hopefully there will be a major push by Rostec and the like (Rostec I believe has stake in Angstrom) to advanced beyond the 90nm and 45nm technology and move even further. 90nm so far seems to be profiting for Russian company Mikron in the field of RFID cards (They are the main producer of the domestic payment card) and will be manufacturing the Elbrus-2SM processor. Rostec has good experiences with companies like Schwab (former UOMZ) in modernizing the company and producing competitive and profitable products for civil purposes.

    Anyway, thanks for the post! Very good news.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Kyo on Fri May 15, 2015 8:27 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Some awesome news about Angstrem-T: http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62090/

    -First significant mass production of chips in Russia
    -Topology from 130nm - 90nm on 200mm wafers
    -Option to upgrade up to 45nm without significant investment

    This is the sort of news that gives me a hard-on Cool

    This is superb news.

    Therefore the Angstrem-T plant being built will be the first industrial plant capable of mass production of microelectronics in Russia. Volumes of production affect the cost of the chips, and this, combined with the fact that Angstrom will use worldwide spread use of IBM technology, will transfer a great portion of the global production circuits currently from overseas to Russia.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Fri May 15, 2015 9:31 pm

    Kyo wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:Some awesome news about Angstrem-T: http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62090/

    -First significant mass production of chips in Russia
    -Topology from 130nm - 90nm on 200mm wafers
    -Option to upgrade up to 45nm without significant investment

    This is the sort of news that gives me a hard-on Cool

    This is superb news.

    Therefore the Angstrem-T plant being built will be the first industrial plant capable of mass production of microelectronics in Russia. Volumes of production affect the cost of the chips, and this, combined with the fact that Angstrom will use worldwide spread use of IBM technology, will transfer a great portion of the global production circuits currently from overseas to Russia.

    I don't know. I wonder how many Mikron can produce up to, cause they are located in the same area, zelenograd, as Angstrom. But Mikron already has 90nm and 65nm production and already doing production for Elbrus 2SM processor. I just dont know to which degree in production they can do.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Sat May 16, 2015 12:46 am

    The news about 45nm is indeed great. It is clear now that Russian IC production capacity is evolving quickly. Recall
    that Russia could only produce 180nm parts for a very long time. This is why the Elbrus was farmed out to a Taiwanese
    company for production.

    Elbrus needs a proper patron to make it fly. MCST is a research institute. As I mentioned before, Intel spends a lot
    of effort refining their CPU masks to optimize performance on a given process. MCST simply does not do this. TSMC
    is not going to do it either. I think the patron can be a fabless chip maker but they have to be a commercial entity
    with a priority on applied development and not theoretical work like MCST.

    MCST is great for germinating the seedling, but the seedling needs a different soil to grow in.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 16, 2015 1:00 am

    MCST is just a fabless chip developer. I think they are more or less jumping fast to developing a chip that is needed for Russian military and institutions. Intel and Samsung got the priveledge in having their own FAB so they can refine/tune it far better than MCST or AMD can. But, as of right now, MCST seems to be more involved in refining their elbrus e2k architecture now since there is the demand for it.

    I think they need to move away from their SPARC line of processors and concentrate 100% on their E2K core. Hopefully, after 8C, they will work on improving the architecture and adding more to it, rather than the simple route of adding more cores. mind you, they are working ob their new chipset as well atm, that will work for 8C. Hopefully, it will go further than that.

    MCST has been around since 90's and half of its institution was sold off to Intel. So current MCST is semi newer. The current line of processors are their real attempt of creating something that isnt a simple license like SPARC, and it only became something in recent years (2007 - 2011). So hopefully, with Angstrom, they can mass produce it locally. Hopefully they get the rights to sell the processors to civil use. Or at least refine the architecture and release processors for civil use. A couple years ago, they said they are very interested in getting into making chips for civil use, but didnt have budget for it and all concentration is on what ministry of industry and trade demanded.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Neutrality on Sat May 16, 2015 1:46 pm

    More on Skolkovo (Russia's Silicon Valley): http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62119/

    That's one giant tech. complex.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Book. on Sat May 16, 2015 6:33 pm

    Neutrality wrote:More on Skolkovo (Russia's Silicon Valley): http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62119/

    That's one giant tech. complex.

    Wow so big. plan universitat edu?

    Russ bear IT!

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Neutrality on Sat May 16, 2015 10:01 pm

    Book. wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:More on Skolkovo (Russia's Silicon Valley): http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62119/

    That's one giant tech. complex.

    Wow so big. plan universitat edu?

    Russ bear IT!

    Is this account created for the sole purpose of trolling?

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 16, 2015 10:02 pm

    He was like this on MP.net. Either his english is none existent or he loves trolling all forums.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat May 16, 2015 11:56 pm

    sepheronx wrote:He was like this on MP.net.  Either his english is none existent or he loves trolling all forums.


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 17, 2015 12:30 pm

    Just assume his comments are not meant to be negative... I see nothing wrong with what he posts... though I do admit I don't always understand him...


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