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    Post  sepheronx on 26/03/15, 04:11 am

    Started production of Russia's first blade server in the Russian processor
    Put into production the first series servers "Elbrus 4.4", working on the basis of processors "Elbrus-4C", developed by the MCST. Its creators claim that "Elbrus 4.4" - this is the first server that is fully developed in Russia on the basis of domestic same processor.
    Russian developer of computer systems PJSC "INEUM them. Bruk "for the first time publicly announced the start of production servers proprietary" Elbrus 4.4 ". The work was conducted in close cooperation with ZAO "MCST" developers processors "Elbrus".
    "Elbrus 4.4" is built around four (or optionally two) quad-core "Elbrus-4C", performed in the topology of 65 nm. This is the latest model of the processor, developed by MCST. Start of serial production of his future successor, eight-«Elbrus-8C" with the topology of 28 nm is expected early next year.
    Server "Elbrus 4.4" is made in the 19-inch height 1Unit body with the ability to supply buildings and 2Unit 3Unit. It has a capacity of up to 200 Gflops peak and supports up to 384 GB of RAM.
    "Elbrus 4.4" is suitable for the assembly of the blade clusters. To join the server to the cluster in PJSC "INEUM" developed network Interconnect 10G class 2D torus topology with a capacity of up to 64 servers.
    According to CNews, assembling motherboards servers "Elbrus" engaged FSUE "October". By now the time put into production a series of "Elbrus 4.4" in the amount of several dozen pieces.
    MCST traditionally tries to avoid references to the names of its government customers. As a representative told CNews MTsSTKonstantin Trushkin, interest in purchasing these servers showed "major oil and gas companies" and the security forces.
    Server "Elbrus 4.4" - not the first computing device, designed and built based on processors MCST. Thus, for example, are known PC "Monokub" and specialized computer systems "Sivuch" that are based on the previous generation "Elbrus-2C +".
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    Post  sepheronx on 28/03/15, 10:18 pm

    Rumors I heard on sdelanounas are that MCST is not going to release Elbrus 8C but an Elbrus 8SC or something along those lines where its onboard memory controller is DDR4 memory that was recently released. This will greatly increase performance as well as make it far more competitive.
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    Post  sepheronx on 01/04/15, 07:07 pm

    Tomsk University once again creates something:
    Siberians want to rid transistors of precious metals
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    Post  sepheronx on 14/04/15, 06:38 pm

    Source: Baikal Electronics named “Russia’s first” chip R&D center

    Kinda an insult to MCST and Microclet but still good to hear they are working on it.
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    Post  kvs on 25/04/15, 06:24 pm

    http://mcst.ru/novye-produkty-na-baze-mikroprocessora-elbrus4s-dostupny-dlya-zakaza

    Elbrus CPU products hitting the market.


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    Post  Vann7 on 25/04/15, 08:26 pm

    Russian Companies to Challenge Apple, Samsung and Others in Domestic Electronics Market


    Russia is currently moving, slowly but steadily, towards import substitution, and the government’s enthusiasm is increasingly impacting the economy across economic sectors. In IT, for example, plans to create this country’s own operating system (apparently to oust Microsoft’s Windows from its present throne) and software have been recently aired. However, this is but a palliative without a dramatic reshuffle in the entire radio electronic hardware segment, government officials think. The Russian Ministry of Industry and Commerce has come up with a new plan that outlines steps for Russia to have its own tablets, smartphones, laptops and desktop PCs by 2020 already.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-moves-unseat-apple-samsung-and-others-domestic-radio-electronic-market/6038

    As i mentioned before.. Russia is on the tipping point of its Nation future.. whether it will be a
    successful nation or a failed one.. It can not longer depend on their "western partners" for anything. And the ability to remain independent will not depends on how many nukes they make or submarines or their military power.which is good enough already since soviet times to
    avoid any invasion..  But their ability to Influence the world..  So Russia either have only
    TWO options ,either they become another European Vassal state of the americans and give up
    its Independence and sovereignty or they become a real Alternative to USA ..either with its own
    capabilities or in alliance with India and China or perhaps also Latin countries..

    This means Russia needs to become a super power which means a super influential nation in the world.. and building many warships and more nukes is not the way to become influential. But by becoming a SUper economic Power with Super technology industry. Russia needs to be stronger
    that USA in the things they can that is Military and Space...and need to be at least very decent and competitive in the things they are behind like Semiconductor Industry ,Software industry ,
    and any technology that is always the one that people goes and rush to the stores in Christmast to buy. Russia cannot continue allowing companies like Microsoft ,Apple ,Intel ,Nvidia ,and its holywood industry to continue winning the hearts of Russians ..when you do internet piracy is nothing else than downloading an american produced software. either for business or for entertainment like games this is retarded why Russia do not have a strong alternative to microsoft this is just a freaking Programing system not rocket science . Just lot of work. ,even North Korea developed an Operating system that looks like Apple Leopard. Neither Russia can continue to lag behind in the variety of smart phones home entertainment and technology industry. From Movies to video games to music.  Is not that Russia will now have to develop gaming consoles.. But developing a highly competitive PC and having their own new Internet ,free of NSA spying with all ASIA and BRICS nations and LATIN america too and having their own Ebay like trading in the new internet, will be a Huge blow to the west ,to totally destroying US ambition plans of world domination and the isolating of Russia.

    If Russia Reduce their Navy ,removing all expensive to maintain soviet destroyers and old soviet frigates and just remain with a small but modern Surface fleet.. like france.. just stay with Gorskov type frigates , (they building 12) and just ~30 corvettes ..cut their icebreakers in half while keeping their submarines ,they will have a ton of more money to invest in the Modernization of Russia Industry and even triple their budget in space project which is very prestigious for the promotion not only of Russia in the world as an indispensable player , but also promotes the modernization of Russia. Simply Russia is missing opportunities and really have the weird idea that building more warships and submarines or investing heavily in sports , will save them from world isolation.. or from an Euromaidan revolution.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on 25/04/15, 10:31 pm



    video with Zelenograd.

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    Post  Vann7 on 25/04/15, 11:15 pm

    Nice video.. thx for sharing seph . Smile

    English substitles will be even nicer still is nice to see the tech.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on 06/05/15, 06:15 am

    Started sales of the first computers with the Russian processor

    Russian developer of computer technology MCST announced the beginning of reception of orders for computers on the basis of domestic microprocessor "Elbrus-4C". Sales are open only to legal entities, the company said on its website.
    Personal computer "AWP Elbrus-401" is built on a single Quad-core microprocessor "Elbrus-4C" and is proposed for workplace equipment, information terminals and microservers. It is noted that this computer as its server side modification, suitable for use in enterprises with high demands on information security.
    In the base rack server "Elbrus-4.4" lies four microprocessor "Elbrus-4C", and one or two controller peripheral interfaces for connecting external devices. The server supports up to 384 gigabytes of RAM, making it suitable for the organization's web servers, database servers, data storage systems, servers, remote desktop and HPC clusters.
    Both models are running the operating system "Elbrus", developed on the basis of kernel Linux version 2.6.33. Processor "Elbrus-4C", based on 65-nanometer technology, is currently the most productive Russian processor and its speed is comparable with Intel Core i3 and Intel Core i5 processors in the Ivy Bridge architecture. Its development was completed in April 2014, and serial production began in the fall of 2014.

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    Post  Vann7 on 08/05/15, 01:54 pm

    Russia Unveils Homegrown PC Microprocessor Chips
    Moscow Center of SPARC Technologies begins taking orders for Russian-made computer chips, but one expert warns the technology lags five years behind that of western companies

    http://russia-insider.com/en/business/russias-mcst-unveils-homegrown-pc-microprocessor-chips/ri6603



    Moscow Center of SPARC Technologies (MCST) has announced it’s now taking orders for its Russian-made microprocessors from domestic computer and server manufacturers. The chip, called Elbrus-4C, was fully designed and developed in MCST’s Moscow labs. It’s claimed to be the most high-tech processor ever built in Russia, and is comparable with Intel Corp’s Core i3 and Intel Core i5 processors.

    Besides the chips, MCST unveiled a new PC, the Elbrus ARM-401 which is powered by the Elbrus-4C chip and runs its own Linux-based Elbrus operating system. MCST said that other operating systems, including Microsoft’s Windows and other Linux distributions, can be installed on the Elbrus ARM-401. Finally, the company has built its own data center server rack, the Elbrus-4.4, which is powered by four Elbrus-4C microprocessors and supports up to 384 GB’s of RAM. MCST said the Elbrus-4.4 is suitable for Web servers, database servers, storage systems, servers, remote desktops and high-performance clusters

    However not everyone was convinced Elbrus-4C was up to scratch with its U.S. made competitors. Sergei Viljanen, editor in chief of the Russian-language PCWorld website, told Kommersant the design was inferior to foreign chips.

    “Russian processor technology is still about five years behind the west,” Viljanen said. “Intel’s chips come with a 14 nanometer design, whereas the Elbrus is 65 nanometers, which means they have a much higher energy consumption.”

    So Russia design a brand new quadcore processor comparable in performance with
    intermediate level Personal PCs in the west .. this is something never done before by any other nation with 365 Gigabytes ram support..  and the best thing that Moron can say is that oh .. is not better than the thing we use from the west.. ignore it.

    Is a 100% spy free processor without US government spy tools ,with a 100% NSA spy free
    Operating System ,for 100% secure data storage of your company..  Shocked  Are you kidding?
    The guy above is a real Imbecile , the HUGE benefits this processor will have for security with an ok performance and a huge memory capabilities 365 GB  is like being the second nation to travel to space as america is.. Things can only get better from here.. and i will love to buy one PC of those.. for peace of mind with a safe internet computer..  

    It people needs windows aplications..microsoft windows can also be installed ,perhaps works in emulation mode? it can also be installed.. so is a plus one . i bet the price performance
    is very good too.. Smile  I will love to see Russia catching Intel and that idiot saying.. oh no.. is not
    Made by Intel so is not better. Smile

    How much i will have liked Russia to jump in the semiconductor race as they did in the space race.. but anyway never is too late . Smile

    By the way curious about how much will cost in dollars a PC with Elbrus 4C.  in any case this
    is a major world achievement for Russia and you can bet it will not be mentioned anywhere in western media.. that is on sale.. Russia needs now to advertise it .. you can have the best product in the world.. and if you do not advertise it propertly it will not sell.

    here elbrush 4c with PC games.. Very Happy



    Is a bit slow but for sure the operator did not configure correctly the graphics settings..
    in any case ,there is a lot of potential in Elbrus proccessors ,advertising ,advertising and advertising is the way.. for business security and for personal use for secure internet navigation
    and personal data.. is priceless. Is like heaven . in just 5 years if Russia continues pushing
    it will be at the same level in performance of the west and steal a HUGE semiconductor market
    and finally we can get rid of US monopoly in computers..
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Neutrality on 08/05/15, 02:25 pm

    "Lags 5 year behind Western analogues". So what? People with broad computer knowledge say AMD lacks behind Intel 2-3 years in IPC performance and energy efficiency with their CPUs. Does that make the Russian chips lag less behind AMD? The most crucial point has been reached: there is now a solid basis for domestic chip design and production on Russian soil. As long as they keep attracting students, specialists and investments this so-called "lag" is a matter of time.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on 08/05/15, 02:31 pm

    Neutrality wrote:"Lags 5 year behind Western analogues". So what? People with broad computer knowledge say AMD lacks behind Intel 2-3 years in IPC performance and energy efficiency with their CPUs. Does that make the Russian chips lag less behind AMD? The most crucial point has been reached: there is now a solid basis for domestic chip design and production on Russian soil. As long as they keep attracting students, specialists and investments this so-called "lag" is a matter of time.

    The big deal also is that this one is entirely Russian. Does it perform? Yes. In case of sanctions this is critical.
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    Post  Neutrality on 08/05/15, 11:21 pm

    Anyone heard about "Aquarius"? Well I just did after googling a few things about Russian CPU market and I stumbled on these guys. Looks like a solid company to me with a broad supply of products.

    Also, I just read more on the upcoming Baikal processor. Well it seems it's not entirely Russian. Baikal Electronics and an American company called "Synopsys" teamed up and the latter company's portfolio chip architecture design was chosen as a basis. Good start regardless. TSMC already has shipped working prototypes to the company for evaluation and somewhere in mid-May the mass production model should be printed. If everything goes well, they'll show it at the economic forum in Saint-Petersburg.

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    Post  Vann7 on 09/05/15, 03:14 am

    Neutrality wrote:Anyone heard about "Aquarius"? Well I just did after googling a few things about Russian CPU market and I stumbled on these guys. Looks like a solid company to me with a broad supply of products.

    Also, I just read more on the upcoming Baikal processor. Well it seems it's not entirely Russian. Baikal Electronics and an American company called "Synopsys" teamed up and the latter company's portfolio chip architecture design was chosen as a basis. Good start regardless. TSMC already has shipped working prototypes to the company for evaluation and somewhere in mid-May the mass production model should be printed. If everything goes well, they'll show it at the economic forum in Saint-Petersburg.

    There is no point in such mutual American -Russian agreements in semiconductor. the major
    goal is to design Computers and software that is 100% safe from US Government dirty hands
    which is the major issue Russia needs to deal.

    All American companies can be forced at gun point if needed by its corrupt government and its secrets revealed to them.. So you cannot depend of any american made technology as long they live in a totalitarian fascist state. Because it will be technology that will have US government spies if Russia participate.

     This is serious security issue in using american technology in for example Russia Space program and military.. because American technology could come with trojan horse surprises ,that disable the hardware.. and for example makes a space rocket or a system of defense like S-500 stop working if they were fool enough to use american technology in them..  The west could also sabotage a Nuclear Reactor if had American computers . So Russia designing their own computers is critical for their nation survival and modernization.  

    Russia is under obligation for security of their country to completely design cutting edge technology ,specially computers that are 100% design by them. for its nation security. They already had them.. but now it needs to take things to the average non government based..business industry , and entertainment too.. thats were the big money is..
    and a new Internet too..  BRICS and LAtin America with will be an Excellent platform to
    launch a new Internet..that could cover the entire world. advertised as free of radical extremism and  free of NSA spying and ideal for family. Not neccessarily free of Porn because Internet will not work without it..lol  but very easy for family to keep it away of children.

    it will become a major success.  Internet Next.. or Internet 2.. can be called. and will promote
    Business in emerging economies. like it is Asia and Latin America.

    As it stand now American companies have the monopoly on internet content and its Windows based Computers.. specially its Operating System , like Windows OS.. Is specifically made to made it easier for the US government and Private american companies and any of its allies to spy on you.. The place you visit and what say and the information on your PC.

    For example there is absolutely NO reason ,for the way it is now .. that a simple visit to an
    internet website is enough for your COmputer to grab a Virus that open your PC to anyone who wants to visit it and steal your personal information.. Microsoft Windows is designed for US government easy spying on everyone.. and that bullshit needs to stop.  Is not only to track "criminals" or "Terrorist" as they will like you to believe , but for stealing of Intellectual  property or simply for spying on their competition what they know and do..

    Im sure with the proper advertising and presentation ,aimed at security and peace of mind,the Elbrus processors  will be a major success. specially in small and big business ,who needs to secure their information.. I really hope Russia continues pushing in the semiconductor and never quits..The world need it. Smile


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    Post  Neutrality on 09/05/15, 03:38 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    There is no point in such mutal American -Russian agreements in semiconductor. the major
    goal is to design Computers and software that is 100% safe from US Government dirty hands
    which is the major issue Russia needs to deal.

    All American companies can be controlled by its corrupt government and its secrets revealed
    to them.. So you cannot depend of any american made technology. Because it will be technology that will have US government spies if Russia participate.

     This is serious security issue in using american technology in for example Russia Space program and military.. because American technology could come with trojan horse surprises ,that disable the hardware.. and for example makes a space rocket or a system of defense like S-500 stop working if they were fool enough to use american technology in them..  The west could also sabotage a Nuclear Reactor if had American computers .  

    They already have that covered and it's called Elbrus. As I understand, Elbrus is going to be the basis of the Russian MIC. Meanwhile the Baikal will be produced for less crucial government structures and legal entities.

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    Post  Vann7 on 09/05/15, 03:45 am



    and how much bits is the new Elbrus processor? Will be nice to see one day 128 bit processors.
    For very deep graphics and precision. and of course with really good speed.
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    Post  Neutrality on 09/05/15, 05:31 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    and how much bits is the new Elbrus processor? Will be nice to see one day 128 bit processors.
    For very deep graphics and precision. and of course with really good speed.

    64bit? Why would you want to see 128 bit processors? 64bit processors can theoretically support 16EB (exabytes) of RAM. That's 1 billion gigabytes or 1 million terabytes. However, you need software to adress this amount of memory and the most recent version of Windows (W8) can "only" support 512GB of RAM.

    "For very deep graphics and precision". That's what GPU cards are made for. They are alot faster than CPUs in terms of flops. For example, a GTX980 is capable to produce 4,5Teraflops while the i7 5960X does 384Gigaflops. This is also why you need a good dedicated graphics card to play the latest games without any hiccups. Games are very complex calculations and GPUs are capable of delivering that at much faster rates than a CPU. Brute force attacks (for cracking passwords) is also done by mostly using GPUs for the same reason I previously explained.
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    Post  kvs on 09/05/15, 05:58 am

    A minus of the Elbrus architecture, in its current form implemented on silicon, is that it does not do 64 bit floating
    point without a penalty.  The Intel and AMD server chips and their consumer variants do 64 bit FP without any
    penalty.   The Elbrus flop value drops by over a factor of two every time the FP bit count is doubled.  

    I can see this having some value since the chip real estate is not packed with 64 bit wide interconnects and
    this saves power and reduces operating temperature.   But it is rather annoying since double precision math
    is actually necessary in many instances since the single precision math (32 bit) exhibits too much machine
    error intrinsic to this amount of precision.  

    MCST should aim at producing a proper Elbrus server chip that has 64 bit FP built in from scratch.  Some variant
    of SSE3 would be especially worthwhile since having 128 bit deep FPUs and vectorization can really pay off in
    terms of performance.
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    Post  sepheronx on 09/05/15, 01:51 pm

    Vliw isnt cisc process. It is RISK, thus defeats the purpose if sse instruction is added. It emulates x86, be it 32bit or 64.

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    Post  kvs on 09/05/15, 06:42 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Vliw isnt cisc process. It is RISK, thus defeats the purpose if sse instruction is added. It emulates x86, be it 32bit or 64.


    VLIW has no relevance to my point. VLIW is a short pipeline, complex pipeline stage design that in the case of the Elbrus happens
    not to vectorize FP math. SSE introduces 128 bit FPUs that can execute two 64 bit or four 32 bit FP instructions at once and this
    has exactly zero to do with it being used in RISC processors. Before the SSE FPUs there was no capacity to vectorize FP math on
    the Intel CPUs even though they could issue several instructions in a single clock cycle. The Elbrus cannot execute four 32 FP instructions
    at once even though it is a VLIW design:

    http://mcst.ru/mikroprocessor-elbrus4s

    50 gigaflops for 32 bit floating point
    25 gigaflops for 64 bit floating point

    Clearly there is a penalty for doing double precision floating point math on the Elbrus. That was my point and you threw in some
    nonsense about VLIW. The Elbrus VLIW does not vectorize FP operations and does not even give you double precision FP for free.
    The Elbrus VLIW is about how you handle all the other tasks that CPU performs. It can issue 23 operations in one clock cycle, but
    this does not include four 32 bit FP operations. They need to modify the design to increase FP performance. But that costs a lot
    of chip real estate and increase heat output.
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    Post  Neutrality on 09/05/15, 07:20 pm

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Vliw isnt cisc process. It is RISK, thus defeats the purpose if sse instruction is added. It emulates x86, be it 32bit or 64.


    VLIW has no relevance to my point.   VLIW is a short pipeline, complex pipeline stage design that in the case of the Elbrus happens
    not to vectorize FP math.  SSE introduces 128 bit FPUs that can execute two 64 bit or four 32 bit FP instructions at once and this
    has exactly zero to do with it being used in RISC processors.  Before the SSE FPUs there was no capacity to vectorize FP math on
    the Intel CPUs even though they could issue several instructions in a single clock cycle.  The Elbrus cannot execute four 32 FP instructions
    at once even though it is a VLIW design:  

    http://mcst.ru/mikroprocessor-elbrus4s

    50 gigaflops for 32 bit floating point
    25 gigaflops for 64 bit floating point

    Clearly there is a penalty for doing double precision floating point math on the Elbrus.   That was my point and you threw in some
    nonsense about VLIW.   The Elbrus VLIW does not vectorize FP operations and does not even give you double precision FP for free.  
    The Elbrus VLIW is about how you handle all the other tasks that CPU performs.   It can issue 23 operations in one clock cycle, but
    this does not include four 32 bit FP operations.   They need to modify the design to increase FP performance.   But that costs a lot
    of chip real estate and increase heat output.

    Intel's i7 5960x (the most powerful Intel CPU available for consumers right now) does 817.5GFLOPS in single precision and 408.6GFLOPS in double precision. I have no idea what "penalties" you're talking about.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on 09/05/15, 08:38 pm

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Vliw isnt cisc process. It is RISK, thus defeats the purpose if sse instruction is added. It emulates x86, be it 32bit or 64.


    VLIW has no relevance to my point.   VLIW is a short pipeline, complex pipeline stage design that in the case of the Elbrus happens
    not to vectorize FP math.  SSE introduces 128 bit FPUs that can execute two 64 bit or four 32 bit FP instructions at once and this
    has exactly zero to do with it being used in RISC processors.  Before the SSE FPUs there was no capacity to vectorize FP math on
    the Intel CPUs even though they could issue several instructions in a single clock cycle.  The Elbrus cannot execute four 32 FP instructions
    at once even though it is a VLIW design:  

    http://mcst.ru/mikroprocessor-elbrus4s

    50 gigaflops for 32 bit floating point
    25 gigaflops for 64 bit floating point

    Clearly there is a penalty for doing double precision floating point math on the Elbrus.   That was my point and you threw in some
    nonsense about VLIW.   The Elbrus VLIW does not vectorize FP operations and does not even give you double precision FP for free.  
    The Elbrus VLIW is about how you handle all the other tasks that CPU performs.   It can issue 23 operations in one clock cycle, but
    this does not include four 32 bit FP operations.   They need to modify the design to increase FP performance.   But that costs a lot
    of chip real estate and increase heat output.

    OK, I see what you are saying.  But Elbrus direct competitor is the Intel Itanium line of processors and I cannot really find much on if it actually does use SSE instructions.

    You can say it is nonsense, but VLIW is RISC by nature and RISC stands for reduced instruction set computing, and SSE introduces 70 instructions.........  Not really reducing it, now is it?  SSE was introduced to compete against AMD's instruction 3DNow!  They could introduce it like you said, of course, all depends on what they are going to end up with in the end as a processor.  If this is the case, they should have gone to x86 processing development instead of VLIW if they need to add plenty of instructions (since Intel has abandoned the project, but this may be the reason why as they could be the only developer in VLIW processing next to Nvidia and AMD (ATI)).

    I am excited to see what they will come up in the future, after 8C.  Because at this point, plenty of money should be going through the system at MCST, and they may come up with something even more interesting, unless it will all be simply more cores and higher speeds.

    Maybe a second development, move away from their SPARC line and add in another line of something else, like an x86 processor.

    I say if they are worried about using licensed tech unlicensed, why would they care?  Especially today's sanctions.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on 09/05/15, 09:50 pm

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on 10/05/15, 05:07 am

    Neutrality wrote:
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    and how much bits is the new Elbrus processor? Will be nice to see one day 128 bit processors.
    For very deep graphics and precision. and of course with really good speed.

    64bit? Why would you want to see 128 bit processors? 64bit processors can theoretically support 16EB (exabytes) of RAM. That's 1 billion gigabytes or 1 million terabytes. However, you need software to adress this amount of memory and the most recent version of Windows (W8) can "only" support 512GB of RAM.

    "For very deep graphics and precision". That's what GPU cards are made for. They are alot faster than CPUs in terms of flops. For example, a GTX980 is capable to produce 4,5Teraflops while the i7 5960X does 384Gigaflops. This is also why you need a good dedicated graphics card to play the latest games without any hiccups. Games are very complex calculations and GPUs are capable of delivering that at much faster rates than a CPU. Brute force attacks (for cracking passwords) is also done by mostly using GPUs for the same reason I previously explained.

    128 bits precision Processors will be very good for hardcore graphics..
    with very hardcore precision ,like for example , designing the earth
    and its land mass and continents ,and do a zoom in shot from satellites in space all the way to 1cm on the floor. with very nice detail not blurred shots.  It will also be ideal for games where you can generate graphics to the tiniest detail ,this will also be amazing for hyper realistic lighting effects.  Precision is loss when you go to a distance and this is were 128 bits comes to the rescue.. yes software needs to be made for it..

    GPUs today are ideal for graphics because they have dedicated very fast memory for textures.. but it doesn't need to be that way forever.
    Today memory is cheap and fast and you can buy tons of it . Once you have a processor that is fast enough it could do all without graphics card and in real time.  IF you want to see how much quality processors can do with graphics ,look at Hollywood fantasy or sci fiction movies start wars the latest movie or avatar ,they are full of Processor generated graphics ,composed and edited.
    In the future processors will be fast enough to replace Video cards
    and do it in real time for games ,and all will be done using low level programing language. more closer to the PC hardware. Not depending in proppietary apis like Microsoft directX etc..   Which will be a HUGE plus.. because it will mean no longer any company in the world ,like it is microsoft will have the control of how can you display real time graphics in entertainment industry.

    Whatever a GPU can do.. and Processor can do..and with better graphics ,albeit slower.IS not surprise Cinematics that you see today in video games are most of the times done in CPUS.. not GPU.

    Here is an example of the graphics CPUs with 3d software can do..

    http://www.bulgarov.com/blackphoenix_blackwidow.html

    There is far more freedom ,the quality of graphics you can do with
    a CPU.. GPUS is more about cheating graphics. to simulate CPU graphics done in offline renderers but on real time. But if you had
    a fast enough processor then GPU will not be needed at all.

    GPUS are nothing more than dedicated processors for graphics , and while it sounds good ,is not..because it also means monopoly of American Companies
    with technology graphics.. Better will be Personal PCs done not only for business ,personal use or science but also for heavy graphics too in real time which is video games.. and that do not depends on propietary interfaces of the west ,so any one can develop Next Generation games without depending on propietary graphics.

    GPUs have their place.. they came in a time where PCs were never designed for entertainment..but only for offices running wordperfect
    and office aplications as it was in the 90s. and GPus improved the CPUs shortcommings. but with time sooner or later computers will be made more unified and all computations done by the CPU weather floating point mathematics or intensive graphics. and the cheap cost of fast memory is the ice on the cake.  

    when you speak about GPUs.. what you have is hardware that enhance the capabilities that already your PC have.. is not new graphics but in reality is faster CPU graphics with easier programming.

    But in 10 to 20 years ,when we see new form of processors ,perhaps using instead of silicon ,using something more efficient in managing heat and allowing circuits ,we should start to see 50 to 100Ghz processors with 1 Terabyte fast memory and the end of dedicated hardware for graphics and proppietary software.. Nvidia and AMD will
    try to sabotage this.. but they will not be able to stop it for long. Computers will become more unified , just look at what happened to Sounds Cards... that no longer are need..unless you are musician and need an special interface connector..but sounds are done all in the CPU today.

    In computer graphics there is not such a thing like "enough precision" because for 3d art the limit is not real world life graphics ,so called photo realism. thats actually boring ,turn on the news on your tv and you will get perfect realism,real people images .but PC can do Beyond realism graphics. Is what makes really interesting computer graphics.
    Going beyond normal graphics. For today computer games GPUs graphics however is good enough.  But if you really want to do the best of what a PC can do ,then today best GPU are not good enough.
    You will need to move to offline CPU graphics.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on 13/05/15, 07:17 am

    Just an FYI Vann, GPU's are VLIW processors. Elbrus is VLIW. I wonder if in the future MCST will try to incorporate their Elbrus line to creating a graphics processor? Would be cool!

    Anyway:

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/61961/

    So a Novosibirsk company makes motherboards for Intel CPU's. So they have gone further with import substitution and started to make other end parts for the processors that are imported. Maybe as time goes on, they will make motherboards for other type of processors, like China's Loongsong MIIPS processor or MCST Elbrus or future Baikal ARM.

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