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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Rmf on Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:18 pm

    this is a bit oftopicking but soft power - my a s s ....

    its very well rehersed agenda ,agressive and targets animalistic impulses ,backed by heavy economic and military might.
    its nothing new , same examples are in history ...

    Rome at the height of its power was a pure military dictatorship plain and simple ...it actually wasnt a democracy!!!
    Although senate still existed and Romans untill the end called their country a - Republic , and rallied behind SPQR banner (senatus populisque romanorum -the senate and the roman people) , roman empire was, since its middle age as it grew ,a -military dictatorship .
    It actually expanded for some time as military dictatorship, untill it started to collapse at ever accelerated pace...
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:14 am

    Created the first Russian SDN-controller
    Center for Applied Research of computer networks (TSPIKS) announced the creation of the controller software-configurable network RUN OS (Russian networks operation systems). The source code of the controller is laid out in the open access service on Github. Third-party developers can create applications based on it through a flexible resource management enterprise network security management based on any corporate policies for managing the integration of wired and wireless networks , and so on. d.
    Among the main technical characteristics RUN OS declared the processing speed at the level of 30 million flows per second, while the installation of a new compound - 45 ms, support 1 thousand. Switches, control of the GUI. According TSPIKS in RUN OS implemented load balancing, coherent vision of the entire network, work with distributed network applications, security and resistance to external loads.
    Developers assure that today is the fastest SDN-controller in the world.
    Its performance is achieved through the use of multicore and multiprocessor systems. It involves a set of network applications - both from the world of traditional networks and new: L2 / L3-routing based on quality of service, multi-threaded routing, filtering, traffic, work with network protocols (ARP, DNS, DHCP, BGP), network address translation ( NAT), load balancing, virtualization, networking, anti-DDoS, verification of network integration with data center management.
    RUN OS is primarily targeted at the corporate segment. Its consumer audience to see TSPIKS network administrators and engineers, data center, telecom operators, service providers, as well as students in "Network Technologies", researchers in the field of computer networks and the development of promising network technology.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:21 pm

    Photo of the Day! The first batch of Elbrus-8C and Southbridge KPI-2 ready for testing!

    8-core microprocessor "Elbrus-8C" created by "MCST" in Process 28 nm. It contains 8 universal cores architecture "Elbrus" third generation. Each core has 2 cache of 512 KB. Cache Level 3 16 MB is shared by all cores. The microprocessor includes a built-in 4-channel memory controller type DDR3-1600. 3 high-speed duplex channels LVDS with a capacity of 8 GB / sec in each direction for the organization of a 4-processor systems on a single motherboard. The frequency of 1.3 GHz microprocessor. 249.6 Gflops performance on 32-bit floating-point numbers. Microprocessor compatible with the new south bridge "KPI-2"
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:56 pm

    Epic russia russia russia




    Elbrus-8C and KPI-2 motherboards ready for testing
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:09 pm

    Superb!
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:23 pm

    Industry and Trade payed something like 880M Rubles for this processors development in 2011 (so it didn't take them too long to come up with something). Apparently MCST is interested to get into consumer market but needs the funds first. Rumor has it that three companies who make/sells/assembles computers in Russia will have access to the Elbrus Processors: Aquos, Kraftway and a third one (cant remember name). I can see monoblock PC's being big that run this processor with a decent OS like Arch Linux, Mint, Ubuntu, Debian or even Synergy (when that comes out, it will have a big impact on large industries in Russia since it is made by large industries).
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:17 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Photo of the Day! The first batch of Elbrus-8C and Southbridge KPI-2 ready for testing!

    8-core microprocessor "Elbrus-8C" created by "MCST" in Process 28 nm. It contains 8 universal cores architecture "Elbrus" third generation. Each core has 2 cache of 512 KB. Cache Level 3 16 MB is shared by all cores. The microprocessor includes a built-in 4-channel memory controller type DDR3-1600. 3 high-speed duplex channels LVDS with a capacity of 8 GB / sec in each direction for the organization of a 4-processor systems on a single motherboard. The frequency of 1.3 GHz microprocessor. 249.6 Gflops performance on 32-bit floating-point numbers. Microprocessor compatible with the new south bridge "KPI-2"

    Super. I would buy one of these quad socket 32 core systems if I could. Russia can now have a world level server hardware production.
    It should be highlighted how impressive this achievement is considering where Russia was 10 years ago and the architecture of the
    Elbrus. It is a unique Russian VLIW design developed during the 1970s and 80s for mainframes and which has now been integrated
    on a single piece of silicon.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  r111 on Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:12 pm

    FABs are easy enough. Dont have to chase Intel et al in race to sub 10nm. ~40-32nm is plenty good for pretty much anything. China will gladly build these for us.

    F* the rights - if Intel refuses the lic, make IA64 CPUs of our own. Ditto for ARM and general RISC (which we have great deal of now-how with, going back to USSR). Add FPGA and some PIC-like stuff.

    Take Linux or FreeBSD and throw some $$$ at making a nice desktop distro out of it. Heck, Apple did it with FreeBSD and made off like bandits. Mandate use of these in gov and mil sector.

    All that will be left are few SW packages: image & video editing, CAD. We're good at coding Smile

    Less glorious stuff - like discretes, are piece of cake.

    USSR went through much more serious industrialization effort in the 30s and we did it. Saved us in WWII. Yes, we've been pampered too much and young generation is even more so. But we HAVE to do it.

    Waiting for West to cozy up is an ez thing to do, taking control of our destiny into our own hands is the RIGHT thing to do.


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:36 am

    sepheronx wrote:Industry and Trade payed something like 880M Rubles for this processors development in 2011 (so it didn't take them too long to come up with something).  Apparently MCST is interested to get into consumer market but needs the funds first.  Rumor has it that three companies who make/sells/assembles computers in Russia will have access to the Elbrus Processors: Aquos, Kraftway and a third one (cant remember name).  I can see monoblock PC's being big that run this processor with a decent OS like Arch Linux, Mint, Ubuntu, Debian or even Synergy (when that comes out, it will have a big impact on large industries in Russia since it is made by large industries).

    Good.. this is what Russia should have done 10 years ago.. so they now will be at the level of INTEL.. lol
    But still is great news.  Smile   Will LOVE to see the computer released for personal family use.. with linux and complete
    Operating System with all the bells and whisler of windows 7.. i could get one for navigating safely on Internet without NSA watching my emails or spying on you.   Another thing i hope Russia works is on Video Cards.. that thing is extremely important not only for gaming but professional graphics. Something like that ,combined with a very decent CPU ,and advertising from professional graphics ,will raise eyebrows in the west.. Laughing  Russia have no idea the HUGE business they will make by creating a decent competition to INTEL and Microsoft OS.. advertising their computers as totally safe ,free of NSA Spying and free of malware and viruses.. with the OS free and software industry in Russia will take off.  That will be Huge.. The entire world will celebrate the end of Apple ,microsoft and intel monopoly.. and in my opinion that will be the ultimate sign of Russia becoming the new Land of innovation ,freedom and opportunities and the most interesting place in the world to study science ,graphics and computers..
    IF Russia can do that it will pull a lot of world talent ,including the migration of Russian engineers who works at Intel in US ,wanting to join Russia semiconductor industry . Very Happy  

    In my opinion Russia most money should be spend in 1)Space program.. 2) Semi conductor industry.. No more nukes need.. and Screw the sports,and the funding of culture ..The things that really  impact society is technology that is cool ,fun and helps people to organize and become more creative .
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:41 am

    Couple of news from MCST:

    MCST is preparing the release of motherboards based on the processor Elbrus-2GM produced on Micron
    Moscow, Zelenograd: December 25, 2014 - JSC "MCST", a developer of high-performance universal Russian microprocessors and computer systems, announces the launch of a pilot production of compact motherboards "Monokub-M" on the basis of the first dual-core microprocessors domestic " Elbrus-2GM " produced on 90 nm technology of "Mikron", the largest in Russia and CIS manufacturer and exporter of microelectronics within the industry holding RTI.

    Fee "Monokub-M" - in-house development JSC "MCST", based on commercially available motherboard "Monokub" . The board is made ​​in a small form factor mini-ITX and has a rich set of interfaces: PCI-Express 1.0, Gigabit Ethernet, USB 2.0, VGA, DVI, SATA 2.0, IDE (CompactFlash), RS-232, GPIO. Microprocessor "Elbrus-2GM" is a key element of the board. On the basis of the board "Monokub-M" and the supplied operating system "Elbrus" can create a domestic compact computer, candy bar, mini-server or network storage, as well as a trusted system with a high level of protection against phishing attacks.

    This may sound like nothing amazing due to being old style technology, but what makes this big is that this is talk about outright full production in local zelenograd (who can make up to 65nm tech so far) and this is aimed at the domestic market for specific goods. Such as this:

    News partners: announced storage system with a processor Elbrus-2C +
    Joint development of storage systems announced two rossiykie companies: the developer of management software for storage and RAIDIX company Promobit with server platform BitBlaze. Development is carried out in partnership and with the support of JSC "MCST".
    Used Russian system platform based processor Elbrus 2C + . SAN supports up to 60 SATA hard drives with "hot-swappable" in a compact form factor (4U for 60 drives 3.5 ").

    This is very important. This company who specializes in making NAS' for cluster systems, will be offering NAS' that are powered with Elbrus 2GM (or 2c+) processors (2GM is 2C+ for domestic market as my understanding) and this will allow MCST to finally enter the domestic consumer market with their product. The MCST 2C+ is a good choice as most NAS' these days run a real slow and cheap motorolla MIPS processor and thus the Elbrus 2C+ will provide better performance that would be quite adiquate for NAS use (NAS' are not that intensive for a processor). If MCST can sign more contracts for this or Elbrus 4C for domestic server use (data servers, NAS', routers, etc) then the products not only will get cheaper overall in the long run, make Russia more self reliant, but also bring in lots of income for MCST to further their research and development.

    There was a recent test of the Elbrus 4C at 700mhz, on a single core, running Doom 3 BFG edition: http://mcst.ru/testirovanie-raboty-obnovlennoj-graficheskoj-podsistemy-i-apparatnogo-3d-uskoreniya-na-processore-elbrus4s

    Mind you, performance wasn't that good, but my understanding it is fairing quite well for a processor running at a very low frequency for a game that demands a semi-hefty processor even on minimum requirements. Which would mean that if the processors frequency was higher (around 1.5ghz), then the game would be running far better (significantly better). And this proves, that even though the game was not designed around the CPU (as all games on PC are designed around the CISC architecture as that is what is mostly to only used in games these days unless it is console), is capable of actually doing the job as well. It would be more interesting to see it run a game that is multithreaded though.

    Now MCST should push Elbrus 8C for domestic consumption and start working with game developers to develop the games around the processor, much like Nintendo using the PowerPC RISC processor.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:21 am

    Mini-ITX form factor is something you would use as a media system or storage manager or perhaps internet and/or print server rather than a standard first choice games machine.

    For those not familiar with form factors...



    With standard ATX being the normal desktop size...


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:38 pm

    I noticed from this: http://mcst.ru/pozdravlenie-direktora-mcst-s-nastupayushhimi-prazdnikami

    That Elbrus 1C is mentioned, and 1C would be a single core processor. I am hoping that it will have a decent frequency of something similar to 1GHZ and I really hope they introduce this as a processor solderd to a pico board and sold as a competitor to Raspberry Pi! I would seriously purchase dozens if not more of them to build my own routers, small form factor NAS (similar to those dlink USB powered ones) and home theater setups. I seriously hope they do something like this, as this will create the domestic computer boom in Russia, as well as home built projects. Actually, such systems are also used in creating other products like automated CNC style machines (Smaller ones), 3D printers, etc.

    The Elbrus 1C and Elbrus 8C could be the products that will bring MCST into a new generation.

    I just hope they decide to eventually drop the SPARC line of processors. They are not needed anymore as VLIW processors are RISC processors much like SPARC's are. Would be redundant.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:10 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I noticed from this: http://mcst.ru/pozdravlenie-direktora-mcst-s-nastupayushhimi-prazdnikami

    That Elbrus 1C is mentioned, and 1C would be a single core processor.  I am hoping that it will have a decent frequency of something similar to 1GHZ and I really hope they introduce this as a processor solderd to a pico board and sold as a competitor to Raspberry Pi!  I would seriously purchase dozens if not more of them to build my own routers, small form factor NAS (similar to those dlink USB powered ones) and home theater setups.  I seriously hope they do something like this, as this will create the domestic computer boom in Russia, as well as home built projects.  Actually, such systems are also used in creating other products like automated CNC style machines (Smaller ones), 3D printers, etc.

    The Elbrus 1C and Elbrus 8C could be the products that will bring MCST into a new generation.

    I just hope they decide to eventually drop the SPARC line of processors.  They are not needed anymore as VLIW processors are RISC processors much like SPARC's are.  Would be redundant.

    The SPARC CPUs are for their military production lines. They are quite useful for the products they are deployed in.

    MCST is like a university department and not a corporation such as Intel or AMD. Russia needs an actual corporation to
    develop and sell microprocessor designs.

    I don't understand why an Intel clone design is not attempted. I don't believe that the instruction set is patentable in
    principle. As long as the microprocessor does not copy the IC design of Intel parts, then it should be free from any
    patent violation claims.

    The Elbrus design is really for scientific and engineering applications. Since Russia will not have the weight to overcome
    Intel and Microsoft in the consumer sector, they should have a domestic CPU that runs Intel instructions natively.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:19 pm

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I noticed from this: http://mcst.ru/pozdravlenie-direktora-mcst-s-nastupayushhimi-prazdnikami

    That Elbrus 1C is mentioned, and 1C would be a single core processor.  I am hoping that it will have a decent frequency of something similar to 1GHZ and I really hope they introduce this as a processor solderd to a pico board and sold as a competitor to Raspberry Pi!  I would seriously purchase dozens if not more of them to build my own routers, small form factor NAS (similar to those dlink USB powered ones) and home theater setups.  I seriously hope they do something like this, as this will create the domestic computer boom in Russia, as well as home built projects.  Actually, such systems are also used in creating other products like automated CNC style machines (Smaller ones), 3D printers, etc.

    The Elbrus 1C and Elbrus 8C could be the products that will bring MCST into a new generation.

    I just hope they decide to eventually drop the SPARC line of processors.  They are not needed anymore as VLIW processors are RISC processors much like SPARC's are.  Would be redundant.

    The SPARC CPUs are for their military production lines.   They are quite useful for the products they are deployed in.

    MCST is like a university department and not a corporation such as Intel or AMD.   Russia needs an actual corporation to
    develop and sell microprocessor designs.  

    I don't understand why an Intel clone design is not attempted.  I don't believe that the instruction set is patentable in
    principle.  As long as the microprocessor does not copy the IC design of Intel parts, then it should be free from any
    patent violation claims.  

    The Elbrus design is really for scientific and engineering applications.  Since Russia will not have the weight to overcome
    Intel and Microsoft in the consumer sector, they should have a domestic CPU that runs Intel instructions natively.  

    MCST proved that their processors are capable of running for domestic use, besides supercomputing, workstations and servers. Hence why a Single core processor meant to compete against Raspberry Pi would be beneficial in the long run as it would create a major demand. Since they produced Angstrom, up to 65nm tech (I am pretty sure they can get even lower if they invest in Rusnano Lithography technology), they can produce the products in Russia itself. But I agree, a company designed specifically for the domestic consumer market is the right move. Issue is, AMD and Intel do have patents on their Instruction sets, thus if the company created does want to make a CISC processor, they would either have to come up with similar instruction sets or make their own entirely. Since Intel and AMD copied from each other back in the 90's, outright breaking copyright laws, I am pretty certain the next company can do it.

    SPARC processors are fine for certain applications, but I imagine that the VLIW of the Elbrus processor would be able to handle the same tasks even better. Reducing to 1 design rather than two separate ones may be financially beneficial in the long run. As well, creating a chip for the use of domestic market (Elbrus 2GM, Elbrus 1C and Elbrus 8C) is very much needed. As I pointed out already, a company will be making NAS systems with it. Elbrus 1C can effectively be used for creating routers, small NAS', raspberry pi alternatives, etc. This alone can generate ridiculous amounts of revenue. Since most of the software used for such technology are in Linux, it wont need to operate under x86 environment.

    MCST can also act as a place to design new processors for companies who want to become like Intel or AMD.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:30 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I noticed from this: http://mcst.ru/pozdravlenie-direktora-mcst-s-nastupayushhimi-prazdnikami

    That Elbrus 1C is mentioned, and 1C would be a single core processor.  I am hoping that it will have a decent frequency of something similar to 1GHZ and I really hope they introduce this as a processor solderd to a pico board and sold as a competitor to Raspberry Pi!  I would seriously purchase dozens if not more of them to build my own routers, small form factor NAS (similar to those dlink USB powered ones) and home theater setups.  I seriously hope they do something like this, as this will create the domestic computer boom in Russia, as well as home built projects.  Actually, such systems are also used in creating other products like automated CNC style machines (Smaller ones), 3D printers, etc.

    The Elbrus 1C and Elbrus 8C could be the products that will bring MCST into a new generation.

    I just hope they decide to eventually drop the SPARC line of processors.  They are not needed anymore as VLIW processors are RISC processors much like SPARC's are.  Would be redundant.

    The SPARC CPUs are for their military production lines.   They are quite useful for the products they are deployed in.

    MCST is like a university department and not a corporation such as Intel or AMD.   Russia needs an actual corporation to
    develop and sell microprocessor designs.  

    I don't understand why an Intel clone design is not attempted.  I don't believe that the instruction set is patentable in
    principle.  As long as the microprocessor does not copy the IC design of Intel parts, then it should be free from any
    patent violation claims.  

    The Elbrus design is really for scientific and engineering applications.  Since Russia will not have the weight to overcome
    Intel and Microsoft in the consumer sector, they should have a domestic CPU that runs Intel instructions natively.  

    MCST proved that their processors are capable of running for domestic use, besides supercomputing, workstations and servers.  Hence why a Single core processor meant to compete against Raspberry Pi would be beneficial in the long run as it would create a major demand.  Since they produced Angstrom, up to 65nm tech (I am pretty sure they can get even lower if they invest in Rusnano Lithography technology), they can produce the products in Russia itself.  But I agree, a company designed specifically for the domestic consumer market is the right move.  Issue is, AMD and Intel do have patents on their Instruction sets, thus if the company created does want to make a CISC processor, they would either have to come up with similar instruction sets or make their own entirely.  Since Intel and AMD copied from each other back in the 90's, outright breaking copyright laws, I am pretty certain the next company can do it.

    SPARC processors are fine for certain applications, but I imagine that the VLIW of the Elbrus processor would be able to handle the same tasks even better.  Reducing to 1 design rather than two separate ones may be financially beneficial in the long run.  As well, creating a chip for the use of domestic market (Elbrus 2GM, Elbrus 1C and Elbrus 8C) is very much needed.  As I pointed out already, a company will be making NAS systems with it.  Elbrus 1C can effectively be used for creating routers, small NAS', raspberry pi alternatives, etc.  This alone can generate ridiculous amounts of revenue.  Since most of the software used for such technology are in Linux, it wont need to operate under x86 environment.

    MCST can also act as a place to design new processors for companies who want to become like Intel or AMD.

    I think this BS patent can be circumvented. The Intel instruction stream should be trivially remapped by the Russian RISC CPU in a translator
    implemented in silicon. The trick is to have the Russian CPU be a RISC species like the Intel and AMD chips. The Elbrus is just too drastically
    different from the Intel/AMD RISC designs so binary translation has to be extensive and at the end of the day you have to get the code and
    optimize it and compile it for the Elbrus to get good performance.

    A clone Russian RISC CPU would be basically what AMD does. AMD produces its own IC designs to execute the Intel instruction set to which
    obtained rights a long time ago. Mapping from the Intel instruction set to a native instruction set that is almost identical in silicon is definitely a
    way to beat the US Patent Office racket.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:34 pm

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I noticed from this: http://mcst.ru/pozdravlenie-direktora-mcst-s-nastupayushhimi-prazdnikami

    That Elbrus 1C is mentioned, and 1C would be a single core processor.  I am hoping that it will have a decent frequency of something similar to 1GHZ and I really hope they introduce this as a processor solderd to a pico board and sold as a competitor to Raspberry Pi!  I would seriously purchase dozens if not more of them to build my own routers, small form factor NAS (similar to those dlink USB powered ones) and home theater setups.  I seriously hope they do something like this, as this will create the domestic computer boom in Russia, as well as home built projects.  Actually, such systems are also used in creating other products like automated CNC style machines (Smaller ones), 3D printers, etc.

    The Elbrus 1C and Elbrus 8C could be the products that will bring MCST into a new generation.

    I just hope they decide to eventually drop the SPARC line of processors.  They are not needed anymore as VLIW processors are RISC processors much like SPARC's are.  Would be redundant.

    The SPARC CPUs are for their military production lines.   They are quite useful for the products they are deployed in.

    MCST is like a university department and not a corporation such as Intel or AMD.   Russia needs an actual corporation to
    develop and sell microprocessor designs.  

    I don't understand why an Intel clone design is not attempted.  I don't believe that the instruction set is patentable in
    principle.  As long as the microprocessor does not copy the IC design of Intel parts, then it should be free from any
    patent violation claims.  

    The Elbrus design is really for scientific and engineering applications.  Since Russia will not have the weight to overcome
    Intel and Microsoft in the consumer sector, they should have a domestic CPU that runs Intel instructions natively.  

    MCST proved that their processors are capable of running for domestic use, besides supercomputing, workstations and servers.  Hence why a Single core processor meant to compete against Raspberry Pi would be beneficial in the long run as it would create a major demand.  Since they produced Angstrom, up to 65nm tech (I am pretty sure they can get even lower if they invest in Rusnano Lithography technology), they can produce the products in Russia itself.  But I agree, a company designed specifically for the domestic consumer market is the right move.  Issue is, AMD and Intel do have patents on their Instruction sets, thus if the company created does want to make a CISC processor, they would either have to come up with similar instruction sets or make their own entirely.  Since Intel and AMD copied from each other back in the 90's, outright breaking copyright laws, I am pretty certain the next company can do it.

    SPARC processors are fine for certain applications, but I imagine that the VLIW of the Elbrus processor would be able to handle the same tasks even better.  Reducing to 1 design rather than two separate ones may be financially beneficial in the long run.  As well, creating a chip for the use of domestic market (Elbrus 2GM, Elbrus 1C and Elbrus 8C) is very much needed.  As I pointed out already, a company will be making NAS systems with it.  Elbrus 1C can effectively be used for creating routers, small NAS', raspberry pi alternatives, etc.  This alone can generate ridiculous amounts of revenue.  Since most of the software used for such technology are in Linux, it wont need to operate under x86 environment.

    MCST can also act as a place to design new processors for companies who want to become like Intel or AMD.

    I think this BS patent can be circumvented.   The Intel instruction stream should be trivially remapped by the Russian RISC CPU in a translator
    implemented in silicon.   The trick is to have the Russian CPU be a RISC species like the Intel and AMD chips.   The Elbrus is just too drastically
    different from the Intel/AMD RISC designs so binary translation has to be extensive and at the end of the day you have to get the code and
    optimize it and compile it for the Elbrus to get good performance.  

    A clone Russian RISC CPU would be basically what AMD does.   AMD produces its own IC designs to execute the Intel instruction set to which
    obtained rights a long time ago.  Mapping from the Intel instruction set to a native instruction set that is almost identical in silicon is definitely a
    way to beat the US Patent Office racket.    

    True, but that would mean MCST would have to open a new R&D for it. I still think the SPARC design is too old and not needed, so they can scrap that. MIPS would work I would imagine.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:41 am

    Since Intel and AMD copied from each other back in the 90's, outright breaking copyright laws, I am pretty certain the next company can do it.

    You should know the American judicial system better than that... American companies can copy American companies but a Russian company... that is treason.


    AFAIK the PC is IBM based and the vast majority are therefore clones that meet the same standards.

    As long as they meet the same input and output specifications they should be compatible no matter how they are designed internally.


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Mike E on Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:52 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Since Intel and AMD copied from each other back in the 90's, outright breaking copyright laws, I am pretty certain the next company can do it.
    You should know the American judicial system better than that... American companies can copy American companies but a Russian company... that is treason.
    Maybe then but not any more... They're all patent trolls nowadays.

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    don't forget Transas company
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:56 am

    indochina wrote:don't forget Transas company

    Ok. Can you please clarify?
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:18 am

    sepheronx, got a question for you, is there a Russian equivalent to the Raspberry Pi on the market or in the works, it would be a great way to get Elbrus processor on the market? dunno
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:51 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:sepheronx, got a question for you, is there a Russian equivalent to the Raspberry Pi on the market or in the works, it would be a great way to get Elbrus processor on the market? dunno

    Currently, the only one is from NTC Module: http://www.module.ru/catalog/micro/micro_pc/

    This is why I am hoping that once the Elbrus 1C is released, and the Elbrus with the built on GPGPU (much like APU from AMD), I am hoping they get into the competitive market of integrated IC boards for multipurpose systems. A board using a Elbrus 1C or 2C with 2GB of built in RAM would definately be a powerhouse for multipurpose systems like: Making your own router/switch box, DVR, MiniNAS, micro servers, controllers for nearly everything.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:25 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:sepheronx, got a question for you, is there a Russian equivalent to the Raspberry Pi on the market or in the works, it would be a great way to get Elbrus processor on the market? dunno

    Currently, the only one is from NTC Module: http://www.module.ru/catalog/micro/micro_pc/

    This is why I am hoping that once the Elbrus 1C is released, and the Elbrus with the built on GPGPU (much like APU from AMD), I am hoping they get into the competitive market of integrated IC boards for multipurpose systems.  A board using a Elbrus 1C or 2C with 2GB of built in RAM would definately be a powerhouse for multipurpose systems like: Making your own router/switch box, DVR, MiniNAS, micro servers, controllers for nearly everything.
    Good to hear that there's at least someone trying make them, though a quick search shows that it might as well not exist (not even an ad vid on youtube), other then there main website there is pretty much no mention of it anywhere els, this is Russia's problem it's feel like either there to scared to compete or there unable to enter the market for some reason, so my next question is, where is Russia's Amazon?? angel
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:37 am

    Russia Testing New Optoelectronic Imager

    The first test shots have been made with the new Geoton-L1 optoelectronic imager developed by Shvabe Holding and mounted on the Resurs-P No. 2 spacecraft. This information was presented by the company’s press service.

    It should be noted that the Resurs-P No. 2 satellite was launched on December 26, 2014. The Geoton-L1 equipment is intended for operational monitoring and thematic mapping in the interests of the national economy. It provides images of the Earth surface with high resolution in panchromatic and multispectral modes.

    “On January 4, we began testing the spacecraft hardware and made the first test shots with the Geoton-L1 equipment in panchromatic and multispectral modes. The work is underway to adjust, test and calibrate the equipment,” the press center informed.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:32 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:sepheronx, got a question for you, is there a Russian equivalent to the Raspberry Pi on the market or in the works, it would be a great way to get Elbrus processor on the market? dunno

    Currently, the only one is from NTC Module: http://www.module.ru/catalog/micro/micro_pc/

    This is why I am hoping that once the Elbrus 1C is released, and the Elbrus with the built on GPGPU (much like APU from AMD), I am hoping they get into the competitive market of integrated IC boards for multipurpose systems.  A board using a Elbrus 1C or 2C with 2GB of built in RAM would definately be a powerhouse for multipurpose systems like: Making your own router/switch box, DVR, MiniNAS, micro servers, controllers for nearly everything.

    Have you heard if Russia had a project to design something completely new , not using western technology?
    Whenever i mention people about Elbrus they tell me  oh ..thats based on american technology SPARC/RISC arquitecture from SUn Microsystems/Oracle..

    You have any info of any semiconductor processor research project not based on american/European technology ,something completely different ?

    For me it will be cooler to just shut up the minions that Russia develop something completely from zero.. and completely radical.. something like a 128bit processor with an arquitecture never seen before in the world of computers. Russia definitively lost such precious time , not fully jumping in the semiconductor industry ..with the same intensity they did in Space.

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