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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:12 am

    Why out of the sudden this old warmongering fart that has always warmongered against lot of countries under US now turns from total "Evil russians all ought to be killed" to some more reasonable?

    Notice that this is dead end for their fascist supremacy and they try to force this chimpanse to bail out of the politics they have forced upon him?

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:31 am

    NATO prepares 'spearhead' to ward off Russia

    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has voiced concern about Russia's "aggressive" behavior. He told a press conference that the alliance was working on a "spearhead" to deter any possible threat.

    Beginning early next year NATO will have a new reaction force ready, which can be deployed more rapidly on its eastern border. This new force, called "interim spearhead," will consist of a few hundred troops from Germany, the Netherlands and Norway. Troops will rotate in terms of their state of readiness, but remain at bases in their home countries.

    The new secretary general of NATO, Jens Stoltenberg, announced the plan to support the Baltic members of the alliance during a press conference in Brussels at NATO headquarters.

    Concerned by increased Russian military activities on land, at sea and in the air in the wake of the crisis around Ukraine, NATO decided at its summit meeting in Wales in early September to strengthen its military presence in the Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia, which have a common border with either Russia or Belarus.


    NATO chief diplomat Jens Stoltenberg told reporters that, in his view, Russia continues to violate international law and is shipping goods and weapons to the pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine. In 2016, he said, NATO intends to have a fully equipped spearhead force in place, which could be deployed to the Baltic member states in 48 hours to "deter and defend" in every possible crisis. The secretary general called on Russia to make a choice and to return to the negotiating table. "It will be an advantage for Russia, but also an advantage for NATO, if Russia chooses another path and starts to respect international law and the sovereignty of all nations and the rule-based system, we have tried to establish for so many years in Europe", said Stoltenberg.
    http://www.dw.de/nato-prepares-spearhead-to-ward-off-russia/a-18104324

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:37 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:NATO prepares 'spearhead' to ward off Russia

    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has voiced concern about Russia's "aggressive" behavior. He told a press conference that the alliance was working on a "spearhead" to deter any possible threat.

    Beginning early next year NATO will have a new reaction force ready, which can be deployed more rapidly on its eastern border. This new force, called "interim spearhead," will consist of a few hundred troops from Germany, the Netherlands and Norway. Troops will rotate in terms of their state of readiness, but remain at bases in their home countries.

    The new secretary general of NATO, Jens Stoltenberg, announced the plan to support the Baltic members of the alliance during a press conference in Brussels at NATO headquarters.

    Concerned by increased Russian military activities on land, at sea and in the air in the wake of the crisis around Ukraine, NATO decided at its summit meeting in Wales in early September to strengthen its military presence in the Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia, which have a common border with either Russia or Belarus.


    NATO chief diplomat Jens Stoltenberg told reporters that, in his view, Russia continues to violate international law and is shipping goods and weapons to the pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine. In 2016, he said, NATO intends to have a fully equipped spearhead force in place, which could be deployed to the Baltic member states in 48 hours to "deter and defend" in every possible crisis. The secretary general called on Russia to make a choice and to return to the negotiating table. "It will be an advantage for Russia, but also an advantage for NATO, if Russia chooses another path and starts to respect international law and the sovereignty of all nations and the rule-based system, we have tried to establish for so many years in Europe", said Stoltenberg.
    http://www.dw.de/nato-prepares-spearhead-to-ward-off-russia/a-18104324

    Thanks for the joke; it was a gem.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:48 am

    This is so funny:

    Ukrainian government switches to Russian language

    Ukrainian Health Minister Alexander Kvitashvili, being an ethnic Georgian, lacks Ukrainian language skills wrote:

    Full article: http://itar-tass.com/en/world/765442


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:47 am

    TheArmenian wrote:This is so funny:

    Ukrainian government switches to Russian language



    Full article: http://itar-tass.com/en/world/765442


    Even those so "hardcore ukrainians" like Tymeshenko or our Porkyjew and Jazenzhuk are speaking always and everywhere russian language except if they are infront of a camera or speaking to an audience about "Sala Ukraina".

    Ukrainians are all russians and the russian language is the most spoken language in ukraine.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:23 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Even those so "hardcore ukrainians" like Tymeshenko or our Porkyjew and Jazenzhuk are speaking always and everywhere russian language except if they are infront of a camera or speaking to an audience about "Sala Ukraina".

    Ukrainians are all russians and the russian language is the most spoken language in ukraine.

    Tell you what, the anti-Russia people will say "this is because of Stalin and his successors who destroyed Ukrainian culture..." lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:05 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Even those so "hardcore ukrainians" like Tymeshenko or our Porkyjew and Jazenzhuk are speaking always and everywhere russian language except if they are infront of a camera or speaking to an audience about "Sala Ukraina".

    Ukrainians are all russians and the russian language is the most spoken language in ukraine.

    Tell you what, the anti-Russia people will say "this is because of Stalin and his successors who destroyed Ukrainian culture..." lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1


    "ukrainian culture"... Laughing

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Dec 06, 2014 3:03 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Even those so "hardcore ukrainians" like Tymeshenko or our Porkyjew and Jazenzhuk are speaking always and everywhere russian language except if they are infront of a camera or speaking to an audience about "Sala Ukraina".

    Ukrainians are all russians and the russian language is the most spoken language in ukraine.

    Tell you what, the anti-Russia people will say "this is because of Stalin and his successors who destroyed Ukrainian culture..." lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1


    "ukrainian culture"... Laughing

    No kidding...Ukraine as a nation state didn't exist prior to 1919, the same people who created Ukraine helped Lenin travel safely to Russia. Western Ukrainians can't live with the fact that the 'Ukrainian nation-state', and the 'rise of Communism' in Eastern Europe came from the same womb... lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:30 am

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/poroshenko-over-1250-ukrainian-servicemen-killed-in-hostilities-in-donbas-374267.html

    Poroshenko: Over 1,250 Ukrainian servicemen killed in hostilities in Donbas

    We had some posts here laughing at the "claims" that the Kiev regime has had 20,000 casualties (not all dead obviously). The
    above number of 1,250 is what is insanely funny and ludicrous. The regime lost 4,000 men in a couple of the southern cauldrons.
    BTW, most of the regime forces are paramilitaries. They focus on the regular servicemen that they can scrounge up in their
    endless mobilization drives for propaganda purposes.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:35 pm

    So the plot thickens...

    Kiev ignored EU request to close E. Ukraine airspace days before MH17 crash – report

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:25 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:So the plot thickens...

    Kiev ignored EU request to close E. Ukraine airspace days before MH17 crash – report
    Most interesting..

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:21 am

    Look what a bunch of Hypocrites are the European Union leadership..

    The European Union is now sending diplomats to Turkey to convince Erdogan to not sell fruits to Russia.
    They also wants  TUrkey not to interfere in their sanctions against Russia. they want turkey to Stop
    the turkey pipeline project.. that they rejected in Europe.. So you can clearly see the hypocrecy of Europeans
    the pipeline only goes to Turkey and does not interfere with any of their laws.. still they don't want Russia bypass
    Ukraine ,so that Ukraine can continue taking hostage the Russian delivery of energy to southern europe. But now with the Turkey pipeline ,Russia no longer will depend on Ukraine transit or will have to pay them fees for it. IF Ukraine shot the transit of energy to europe.. Russia can easily bypass them through Norther pipeline and Turkey pipeline.

    The biggest losers in all this will be Bulgaria.. they will lose 8,000 jobs that the pipeline was going to create.. and a free income ,easy money in transit fees of a couple of billions more or less aside of cheaper energy for them.

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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:41 am

    Vann7 wrote:Look what a bunch of Hypocrites are the European Union leadership..

    The European Union is now sending diplomats to Turkey to convince Erdogan to not sell fruits to Russia.
    They also wants  TUrkey not to interfere in their sanctions against Russia. they want turkey to Stop
    the turkey pipeline project.. that they rejected in Europe.. So you can clearly see the hypocrecy of Europeans
    the pipeline only goes to Turkey and does not interfere with any of their laws.. still they don't want Russia bypass
    Ukraine ,so that Ukraine can continue taking hostage the Russian delivery of energy to southern europe. But now with the Turkey pipeline ,Russia no longer will depend on Ukraine transit or will have to pay them fees for it. IF Ukraine shot the transit of energy to europe.. Russia can easily bypass them through Norther pipeline and Turkey pipeline.

    The biggest losers in all this will be Bulgaria.. they will lose 8,000 jobs that the pipeline was going to create.. and a free income ,easy money in transit fees of a couple of billions more or less aside of cheaper energy for them.

    Bulgaria lost biiiiiiiiig time.
    What fools. They had 3 major infrastructural projects on the horizon - Burgas–Alexandroupoli pipeline, The Belene NPP project, and South Stream. All of them heavily involving Russia. And it squandered all of them! As if it's such a rich country, that it can afford to squander multi-billion dollar opportunities that literally float up onto its coast and come to them.
    Had Bulgaria started implementing all 3 projects; then by next decade it would have had cheap oil, cheap gas, cheap power, multiple long-term contracts for its construction companies employing tens of thousands of people, transit fees for the oil & gas (+400 mil. euros per year just for the gas), some work for its metallurgical enterprises and other sub-contractors, training of nuclear power specialists & infastucture engineers, etc...
    All this stuff would have gone a long way towards giving Bulgaria a substantial competitive advantage over its peers in South-Eastern Europe; like Romania, Macedonia and Greece. They would have had the most modern and efficient power-generation capacity in the region, the cheapest prices for oil & gas and a key role as a transit hub.

    And what will Borisov offer his people now? More employment-spots for unskilled labour in Western Europe? He doesn't even have the backbone to demand compensation from the EU for the lost opportunity.

    Not only Bulgaria was affected by the weakness of its leaders though, in this latest episode. Hungary, Serbia, Austria, Italy too. Greece perhaps too, as there was quite a likelihood of an offshoot of South Stream to there too. Now they will have to depend on their arch-nemesis Turkey.

    For Hungary, Serbia & Bulgaria in particular, it was important to secure cheap energy. Hungary is in the most acute situation, as basically all of its supply is routed through the Ukraine and it doesn't see the Ukraine as a reliable transit country.

    Erdogan on the other hand - is laughing all the way to the bank  pirat

    Honestly - for Russia it would have been better if everything was peachy and the pipeline was built, Bulgaria proved to be a reliable partner, etc...
    But then that wasn't the case. South Stream wouldn't have even been necessary if the Ukraine was a reliable (and not economically suicidal) partner - but it isn't. And just the same - neither is Bulgaria any more reliable in its present state.
    What's the point in building a pipeline to bypass the Ukraine - only to route it through Bulgaria?

    Therefore Turkey is the only viable option really, and any discussion about the merits for or against a partnership with Turkey are purely theoretical at this point; since there is no alternative to them anyway - everyone else is either hostile or can be pressured to sacrifice their own economic interests by the visit of some US Senators.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:51 am

    Vann7 wrote:Look what a bunch of Hypocrites are the European Union leadership..

    The European Union is now sending diplomats to Turkey to convince Erdogan to not sell fruits to Russia.
    They also wants  TUrkey not to interfere in their sanctions against Russia. they want turkey to Stop
    the turkey pipeline project.. that they rejected in Europe.. So you can clearly see the hypocrecy of Europeans
    the pipeline only goes to Turkey and does not interfere with any of their laws.. still they don't want Russia bypass
    Ukraine ,so that Ukraine can continue taking hostage the Russian delivery of energy to southern europe. But now with the Turkey pipeline ,Russia no longer will depend on Ukraine transit or will have to pay them fees for it. IF Ukraine shot the transit of energy to europe.. Russia can easily bypass them through Norther pipeline and Turkey pipeline.

    The biggest losers in all this will be Bulgaria.. they will lose 8,000 jobs that the pipeline was going to create.. and a free income ,easy money in transit fees of a couple of billions more or less aside of cheaper energy for them.

    Bulgaria's proWestern political establishment after 1990 is going to collapse pretty soon anyway. As of Russia this move was brilliant. Fuck the EU! so true.
    Turkey will built the pipe in no time and the Azeri's will bite dust in the same time! Turkey is super strategic unlike the Balkan backwater shit and Brussels will have to deal with all those
    frustrated politicians who where to be bribed from gasprom. This start more and more to remind early 80s when Soviet politburo trying to keep eastern Europe constantly shooting their own feet.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  kvs on Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:11 am

    It's all those EU losers can do and that is to pressure Turkey to not carry through on the pipeline deal.

    Russia should stop this farce now. It makes about $55 billion from natural gas sales to the EU. If it stops shipping
    through Ukraine now, it will lose about 2/3 of this since Nord Stream is OK. Russia can live without $37 billion in
    exports. It needs to stop the monetarists at the CBR from fighting phantom inflation through a high interest
    policy while at the same time allowing very large money supply growth. This bizarre policy is no actually fighting
    inflation and at the same time suppressing Russian economic growth by suffocating the borrowing necessary for
    normal business activity. Russia is losing much more from the CBR inanity than it is gaining from gas shipment
    via Ukraine.

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    BELBEK fotos ...

    Post  arpakola on Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:38 am

    BELBEK fotos ...







    (very much exposed , as per my opinion. Need to spread and cover under bankers..)

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    8th of December, 2014. Donetsk, Novorossiya.

    The photo exhibition “Faith in Russia – 2014” has opened in Donetsk. “Faith in Russia – 2014” is the contest photoworks devoted to the life and ministering of the Orthodox people of all the parts of Russia. The exhibition also displays several photos of Donetsk photographers included in “Faith in Russia – 2015” which will open on the 21st of January in the Kremlin of Moscow.

    Besides, the Tikhvin Icon of the Mother of God has been delivered from Russia to Novorossiya. This Icon is one of the most sacred relics in the Russian history. It appeared in 1383. The Icon repeatedly became the symbol of victory of Russia in all the wars against invaders and always protected and helped the Russian self-defense forces.In 1941 the Tikhvin Icon of the Mother of God was taken by German invaders to Pskov and then it was sent to Latvia in 1944. In 1950 it was transferred to the USA, but in 2004 the Icon finally returned to Russia. All the visitors of the exhibition can leave notes “for the repose of the victims” which will be put into the memory capsule on the site of the future memorial chapel in Saur Grave in memory of the militiamen of Novorossiya and innocent civilians killed in the war against the Ukrainian fascism.



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:41 am

    A resident of Odessa, who came to Kulikovo Pole on 7th of December, put on a St-George’s ribbon, when he came up to the memorial. A police colonel, who saw him demanded that he take the ribbon off. The man asked a reasonable question – why should he. The law enforces replied that he was “provoking the situation”. However the resident of Odessa continued to defend himself demanding that the Ukrainian law prohibiting him to wear the ribbon is shown. After this the colonel attempted to rip the ribbon off the man. After failing to do this the police officer ordered his subordinates to arrest the Kulikovo Poe activist claiming that the man used rude offensive language while talking to the police. The activist was arrested and taken to the police car, which was parked right near Kulikovo Pole. Other activist were talking to the police for 2 hours trying to release their comrade. His 8-year-old son was frightened and crying. The women took the boy to the nearby McDonald’s.On this day he and his father were going to the stadium, where the boy was to receive a reward for participating in a football match.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:29 am

    Hehehhehe.... don't you just love American politicians... Russia is under US and NATO and EU sanctions for interfering in the Ukraine... they have no evidence but they suspect it is true.

    Now read this:

    US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt said that Ukrainian authorities need to decide on the roadmap for the implementation of reforms that the country urgently needs without the involvement of the international community.

    WASHINGTON, December 9 (Sputnik) – Ukrainian authorities need to decide on the roadmap for the implementation of reforms that the country urgently needs without the involvement of the international community, US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, has stressed.

    "It's not the position of anybody in the international community to say which element of this multifaceted reform agenda needs to come first," Pyatt said Monday at an Atlantic Council event in Washington, DC, emphasizing that Ukraine needs urgent reforms in multiple sectors.

    According to Pyatt, the Ukrainian government coalition agreement is a "robust" document that should help identify a roadmap, which all the political parties would agree on, and that could be useful when time comes for implementing reforms.

    "It gives reason for optimism that this won't just be a document that sits on the shelf but actually can turn into a practical roadmap for the implementation of a reform agenda, which is going to entail significant and at times painful changes in critical sectors, like energy, and justice, and defense, and security," Pyatt said.

    The ambassador stressed that the energy sector needs the most urgent reforms, as it "has drawn the most egregious corruption under multiple governments" in Ukraine.

    On November 21, representatives of five Ukrainian parties that made it into the country's newly-elected parliament, except for the Opposition Bloc, signed a draft agreement on the creation of a pro-European coalition.

    Before the parliamentary elections held in Ukraine on October 26, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko had promised that a new government would implement a variety of reforms in the country.

    It is in American English so let me translate:

    {quote]US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt said that Ukrainian authorities need to decide on the roadmap for the implementation of reforms that the country urgently needs without the involvement of the international community.{/quote]

    The US, which is not part of the international community is not happy about the current situation in the Ukraine and thinks the Ukraine needs to decide to do what the US wants it to do in a hurry before any reunification takes place and the pro Russian Ukrainians get a say.

    WASHINGTON, December 9 (Sputnik) – Ukrainian authorities need to decide on the roadmap for the implementation of reforms that the country urgently needs without the involvement of the international community, US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, has stressed.

    The US ambassador to the Ukraine is telling the Ukrainians what to do already.

    "It's not the position of anybody in the international community to say which element of this multifaceted reform agenda needs to come first," Pyatt said Monday at an Atlantic Council event in Washington, DC, emphasizing that Ukraine needs urgent reforms in multiple sectors.

    No one can tell the Ukraine what to do... especially Russia, but I am telling them they need to sort things out in the order I tell them to do it in.

    According to Pyatt, the Ukrainian government coalition agreement is a "robust" document that should help identify a roadmap, which all the political parties would agree on, and that could be useful when time comes for implementing reforms.

    The Ukrainian government coalition agreement must give most power to the factions that the US supports and therefore should be used to ensure US interests are at the forefront of any new laws and action.

    "It gives reason for optimism that this won't just be a document that sits on the shelf but actually can turn into a practical roadmap for the implementation of a reform agenda, which is going to entail significant and at times painful changes in critical sectors, like energy, and justice, and defense, and security," Pyatt said.

    So in order of priority it is oil, revenge against the Russians, protection from the Russians by joining NATO and building a wall between the Ukraine and Russia... well that is pretty clear.

    The ambassador stressed that the energy sector needs the most urgent reforms, as it "has drawn the most egregious corruption under multiple governments" in Ukraine.

    To deal with all the corruption in the Ukrainian energy industry it should be privatised and sold to western energy companies and they will bleed the Ukraine dry.... oops no, they will manage the Ukraines resources and create peace and stability in the region.

    On November 21, representatives of five Ukrainian parties that made it into the country's newly-elected parliament, except for the Opposition Bloc, signed a draft agreement on the creation of a pro-European coalition.

    So the coup conspirators made a pact which the US thinks would make a good basis for the future of Ukraine...

    Before the parliamentary elections held in Ukraine on October 26, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko had promised that a new government would implement a variety of reforms in the country.

    Which is why he remains in power and has not accidently swallowed a CIA cyanide pill....

    All fun and games.... Smile

    source:http://sputniknews.com/politics/20141209/1015642677.html


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:20 am

    The "sanction on Russia" is one of the most stupid joke that the goverments in EU and US have ever made.

    If the "sanction" is seriously made, EU and US cannot launch the satellite into the outer space. ISS will stop function. Boeing's planes will not fly. US cannot drill oil in rough terrain and deep water and EU machines will not have oil to function. And EU farm products will become slow-selling.

    You can only put a sanction on a country which is small, weak, and has no allies. You cannot put a sanction on Russia.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:59 pm

    Ukraines (Lithuanian) finance minister is begging for another $19B from IMF. Ukrainian stocks collapse.

    Glad to see these dumbasses screw up.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  kvs on Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:55 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Ukraines (Lithuanian) finance minister is begging for another $19B from IMF. Ukrainian stocks collapse.

    Glad to see these dumbasses screw up.

    But the Donbas was a leech on the Ukrainian economy so they should be doing well now. What is going wrong? //sarc

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:31 pm

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Ukraines (Lithuanian) finance minister is begging for another $19B from IMF. Ukrainian stocks collapse.

    Glad to see these dumbasses screw up.

    But the Donbas Dumbass was a leech on the Ukrainian economy so they should be doing well now.  What is going wrong?  //sarc

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:15 pm

    This happened in Russia, but because Ukraine was on the receiving end, I'll post it here.

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20141209/1015647016.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  kvs on Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:46 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:This happened in Russia, but because Ukraine was on the receiving end, I'll post it here.

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20141209/1015647016.html

    Over at the NATO butthurt forum (the one and only) they are think it is all BS. Russians couldn't possibly shoot down any Ukrainian
    drones.

    In the real world, I am quite sure there are many Banderite loyalists operating in Russia pleasing Uncle Sam. They are a real threat
    compared to some drones. I actually know one of these liberast Banderite degenerates personally but he has moved to Canada.

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:53 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:This happened in Russia, but because Ukraine was on the receiving end, I'll post it here.

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20141209/1015647016.html

    Over at the NATO butthurt forum (the one and only) they are think it is all BS.   Russians couldn't possibly shoot down any Ukrainian
    drones.  

    In the real world, I am quite sure there are many Banderite loyalists operating in Russia pleasing Uncle Sam.   They are a real threat
    compared to some drones.   I actually know one of these liberast Banderite degenerates personally but he has moved to Canada.  

    Should have taken the chance... sniper

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