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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:52 pm

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:57 pm

    arpakola wrote:

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    Yeah the man is amazing and the fact that Britons voted him no1 in the latest elections despite his hugely radical positions over the angloamerican establishment is a proof that there is small notable pockets of genuine thinking in the former empire. Too late to turn the wheel if you ask me but still impressive.

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    Post  medo on Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:44 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    arpakola wrote:

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    Yeah the man is amazing and the fact that Britons voted him no1 in the latest elections despite his hugely radical positions over the angloamerican establishment is a proof that there is small notable pockets of genuine thinking in the former empire. Too late to turn the wheel if you ask me but still impressive.

    Wait those few years and Nigel Farage will be prime minister in UK and Marine Le Pen will be president of France. This will be a real change in EU politics.

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    Post  Viktor on Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:11 pm

    medo wrote:Wait those few years and Nigel Farage will be prime minister in UK and Marine Le Pen will be president of France. This will be a real change in EU politics.

    I seriously hope so and if Germany could manage to find someone like Gerhard Schroeder that would be great.

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:14 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    medo wrote:Wait those few years and Nigel Farage will be prime minister in UK and Marine Le Pen will be president of France. This will be a real change in EU politics.

    I seriously hope so and if Germany could manage to find someone like Gerhard Schroeder that would be great.

    That won't happen only shills are running here.

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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:44 am

    Lavrov: Russia ranked second on Obama’s list of threats
    UNITED NATIONS, September 24. /ITAR-TASS/. U.S. President Barack Obama failed to deliver a peacemaking speech at the session of the UN General Assembly, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said here Wednesday.
    “As for the U.S. President’s speech, we earned the second place among the threats to international peace and stability,” Lavrov said. “Number one is the Ebola virus, number two is the so-called Russian aggression in Europe and Isil and other terrorists who are now taking hold of the Middle East and primarily of the countries, which have evidenced U.S. interventions, are ranked as number three.”

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:28 am

    sepheronx wrote:Lavrov: Russia ranked second on Obama’s list of threats
    UNITED NATIONS, September 24. /ITAR-TASS/. U.S. President Barack Obama failed to deliver a peacemaking speech at the session of the UN General Assembly, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said here Wednesday.
    “As for the U.S. President’s speech, we earned the second place among the threats to international peace and stability,” Lavrov said. “Number one is the Ebola virus, number two is the so-called Russian aggression in Europe and Isil and other terrorists who are now taking hold of the Middle East and primarily of the countries, which have evidenced U.S. interventions, are ranked as number three.”


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:26 am

    fragmachine wrote:
    Falanga, ONR can be considered far right anti American movements, real patriots (not those fake from Mlodziesz Wszechpolska with Russophobic  theme) have love for our Slavic brothers. They also prepared packs with food, cigarettes and other products of daily use for Serbian general Radislava Krsticia illegaly jailed in Warsaw.

    These are also anti-zionist, anti liberal-conservative, anti capitalist.

    For several reasons I don't like far-right political parties, whether in Russia, Ukraina, the West, or else.

    May be because I am a left-wing person, and furthermore, the harmful ideas of racism and extremism are usually popular in far-right factions.

    We have to protect the independence and dignity of the Slavic community, but we also have to pay respect to other nations, other countries.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  fragmachine on Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:45 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    fragmachine wrote:
    Falanga, ONR can be considered far right anti American movements, real patriots (not those fake from Mlodziesz Wszechpolska with Russophobic  theme) have love for our Slavic brothers. They also prepared packs with food, cigarettes and other products of daily use for Serbian general Radislava Krsticia illegaly jailed in Warsaw.

    These are also anti-zionist, anti liberal-conservative, anti capitalist.

    For several reasons I don't like far-right political parties, whether in Russia, Ukraina, the West, or else.

    May be because I am a left-wing person, and furthermore, the harmful ideas of racism and extremism are usually popular in far-right factions.

    We have to protect the independence and dignity of the Slavic community, but we also have to pay respect to other nations, other countries.

    I might be wrong in my assesment. It is not typically "far right" sensu stricto - in fact it is definition given by mainstream political "experts". Like anybody knows there are different individuals in any movement, but Falanga for example showed support for Syrian people and even went to Syria, had meeting in embassy and talked to the normal people there.

    It could be called fusion of socialism and nationalism but that assesment wouldn't be better too. They support anyone who is an enemy to "pax americana"... Wondered at first when seen that leftists can cooperate with rightists.

    Im not really into Falanga or ONR, and there are also leftists, pan-Slavists in Poland who have the same opinion of what is happening in the world.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  gregoire on Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:58 am

    I am started to think this over the top clearly dishonest posturing of obama is one of the strangest of phenomenons I have ever witnessed. I doesn't feel right, and with that I am trying to say; something is definitely wrong within his ranks, among his handlers to have him to talk like this. I wish someone could analyse this with a cool head.

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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:18 am

    gregoire wrote:I am started to think this over the top clearly dishonest posturing of obama is one of the strangest of phenomenons I have ever witnessed. I doesn't feel right, and with that I am trying to say; something is definitely wrong within his ranks, among his handlers to have him to talk like this. I wish someone could analyse this with a cool head.

    His messages are not aimed for the educated people that knows how to navigate internet and read alternative news.. His message is for the majority of Dumb americans like 70% of its society ,that do not understand anything
    and only turn on every day CNN for a couple of minutes or read the New York times to be informed of the middle east. Im still amazed and how mainstream media can brainwash the average society with propaganda and lies..

    Russia needs needs a lot more than RT in USA and another in Spain ,to counter the western propaganda..
    They Need RT local media in every European nation ,and north or south america.. they need radio and newspapers because there are also lazy fat people that do not see news ever..and only watch sport when turn on TV or movies.
    And also they need to promote their channel too in major sports events . If people were better informed of whats happen in the world and were aware that they can stop it.. nothing of this wars will be happening. American Government understand very well the weakness of society ,that are so immersed in entertainment and in their busy life or watching sports or eating cheeseburgers that do not have time to investigate the truth about anything and not even suspect they are being lied. they believe that if Obama or UN  says it.. is because is true. and only know what they hear on CNN in north or south america or BBC in europe everytime they turn on its TV.

    US and UK governments propaganda however does not end in media.. is also on internet .. if for example any dumb citizen try to search on internet anything about Syria or Ukraine.. they will type in Google those names and the first thing they will get are the version of anything from (UK)BBC or (USA)CNN or (ISrael)Haretz , try it and see by yourself. reports or Reuters and AP (france). and to make things worse Wikipedia report the same things that western media.. In youtube you type ISIS and  you have the american-jewish  financed media like VICE with millions of views ,the young turks also infiltrated by NATO disinformation while RT only get a few thousands views. So the first version the average people get from Ukraine and Syria Ie.. Russia invading Ukraine.. and Assad chemical weapons attack on civilians women and children. In short Russia needs to do a lot more to counter western propaganda.

    So it doesn't matter if Obama is dishonest ..as long as there are dumb americans and europeans that  are lazy enough to use their brains for anything ,US And its allies leadership will continue with their dishonesty .


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Firebird on Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:42 am

    gregoire wrote:I am started to think this over the top clearly dishonest posturing of obama is one of the strangest of phenomenons I have ever witnessed. I doesn't feel right, and with that I am trying to say; something is definitely wrong within his ranks, among his handlers to have him to talk like this. I wish someone could analyse this with a cool head.

    He's definitely no Martin Luther King. Despite the pathetic attempts to mimic his voice.
    He's more Idi Amin or Robert Mugabe, that Kenyan bastard.

    I'd happily watch Bush Jr and Rumsfeld frazzle to a crisp. But Obummer is worse in many ways.

    I can only guess that the American Neo-Con Establishment is seriously worried about its power waning.

    They have to be realistic, because its 1990s zenith would not and could not last forever. Esp by making enemies of countries that try to be reasonable.

    These loons will happily cause a major slump AND a mass regional war (maybe worse) instead of duly accepting their place in the now multipolar World order.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:23 pm

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:25 pm

    Obama places Russia between the Ebola virus and international terrorism





    his is the except in which Russia and the Ukraine are mentioned:
    (...) Russia’s actions in Ukraine challenge this post-war order. Here are the facts. After the people of Ukraine mobilized popular protests and calls for reform, their corrupt President fled. Against the will of the government in Kiev, Crimea was annexed. Russia poured arms into Eastern Ukraine, fueling violent separatists and a conflict that has killed thousands. When a civilian airliner was shot down from areas that these proxies controlled, they refused to allow access to the crash for days. When Ukraine started to reassert control over its territory, Russia gave up the pretense of merely supporting the separatists, and moved troops across the border.

    This is a vision of the world in which might makes right – a world in which one nation’s borders can be redrawn by another, and civilized people are not allowed to recover the remains of their loved ones because of the truth that might be revealed. America stands for something different. We believe that right makes might – that bigger nations should not be able to bully smaller ones; that people should be able to choose their own future.

    These are simple truths, but they must be defended. America and our allies will support the people of Ukraine as they develop their democracy and economy. We will reinforce our NATO allies, and uphold our commitment to collective defense. We will impose a cost on Russia for aggression, and counter falsehoods with the truth. We call upon others to join us on the right side of history – for while small gains can be won at the barrel of a gun, they will ultimately be turned back if enough voices support the freedom of nations and peoples to make their own decisions.

    Moreover, a different path is available – the path of diplomacy and peace and the ideals this institution is designed to uphold. The recent cease-fire agreement in Ukraine offers an opening to achieve that objective. If Russia takes that path – a path that for stretches of the post-Cold War period resulted in prosperity for the Russian people – then we will lift our sanctions and welcome Russia’s role in addressing common challenges. That’s what the United States and Russia have been able to do in past years – from reducing our nuclear stockpiles to meet our obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, to cooperating to remove and destroy Syria’s declared chemical weapons. And that’s the kind of cooperation we are prepared to pursue again—if Russia changes course. (...)
    Basically, this is the same line as Poroshenko (which is really unsurprising since they used pretty much the same speechwriters). The message to Russia is simple:"surrender or we will mobilize the entire planet against you".

    Foreign Minister Lavrov commented: “As for the U.S. President’s speech, we earned the second place among the threats to international peace and stability: number one is the Ebola virus, number two is the so-called Russian aggression in Europe and ISIL and other terrorists who are now taking hold of the Middle East and primarily of the countries, which have evidenced U.S. interventions, are ranked as number three.”  

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:27 pm

    Is peace in the Ukraine possible?
    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.gr/2014/09/is-peace-in-ukraine-possible.html

    The devaluation of the Ruble and the Yevtushenkov affair have so saturated our mass media that it would seem desirable to stand aside and address a more substantial theme. Namely; under what conditions can the Ukraine know peace? Not just any ‘peace’ but a peace without wholesale disintegration of the country into petty fiefdoms, without a bloodstained dictatorship, without ethnic cleansing and without genocide. In order to answer this question, it is necessary, above all, to look at Kiev and Donetsk.

    They should be part of one state. However the 10s of thousands killed and the open exhortations to genocide which have been issued by the dominant political forces in Kiev (for example: the phrase ‘Russians, clear off back to Moscovy’, which is directed at people who are not only currently inhabiting Lugansk and Donetsk but who have lived there for centuries, could be considered, formally from the point of view of international legal norms to fit the definition of genocide and, without doubt, that of ethnic cleansing) render such ‘cohabitation’ within the framework of a usual state simply impossible. The people of Donetsk and Lugansk (we include the Odessa massacre, even though it differs, in part from the others ) will never relinquish their right to justice against those who are guilty of the massacre of civilians and, similarly, the Kievan nationalists are unlikely to stop uttering phrases of the sort: ‘ We’ve barbecued that [Colorado Beetle] bitch.’ or other such endearments.

    In theory the only way that Kiev can go back to normal would be in the context of sustained economic growth. In that case it might be possible to brush the nationalist slogans back under the carpet and for everyone to benefit from the resultant financial in-flows, but here Kiev has fallen into a trap of its own making. It is a simple fact that economic growth is only possible in collaboration with Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union. There is simply no other option. There is not even any real perspective for the development of agriculture; one would just need look at the example of Bulgaria, where the climate is noticeably more clement than that in Ukraine. Ukraine finds it impossible to compete with Turkey. Once the European Union association agreement comes into force there will be no means of regulating the influx of Turkish agri-business and the only profitable way to engage in agriculture will be in a vegetable garden. It is sufficient to look at the example set in that neighbouring former Soviet state, Moldova.

    Insofar as Kiev has adopted a radically anti-Russian model, the chances of growth in that country are precisely zero. The European Union has no money and judging by the way that the crisis is developing the prognosis is not positive, and even if we were to look, more optimistically, into the medium term at the global economic situation, the European Union is most likely to help out the Eastern European Countries and the Baltic States before it bails out Ukraine. Nothing personal, just business.

    And this means that Kievan Nationalism is going nowhere. It has no choice as it will be impossible for it to maintain its grip on power otherwise. Moreover it has achieved some success insofar as the United States has enacted sanctions against Russia and coerced its allies in Europe and the wider world to do likewise. There is only one problem: For how long will they be willing to prosecute these sanctions for the sake of Ukraine? Kiev’s issues will continue to mount, insofar as the only way that it can deal with the growth of democratic sentiment in the South East (it is clear that the struggle is for freedom and democracy, regardless of how discordant that sounds from the point of view of the contemporary Western mass media) is by the use of military force. It is far from certain that this particular problem can be resolved by military force.

    In summary we can say that, judging by the development of negative economic trends, the intensity of internal confrontation in Kiev will constantly grow. In turn those wishing to live under their guardianship will become fewer and fewer. The cohesion of the Ukrainian state will melt like snow in the heat of the summer sun. As that happens the state will become more and more aggressive So we expect to see a contradiction in answer to the question that we posed. Is it possible to establish peace in the Ukraine?

    I intentionally have not referred in general to Ukrainian nationalists, rather specifically to Kievan Nationalists. The fact is that Galician Nationalists and Kievan Nationalists are not the same. The latter always had significant sources of income (be it the budget of the USSR, Ukraine etc.), however the former have been forced to be much more pragmatic. Furthermore they have been unable to understand that they cannot hold Kiev. This is because any government in Kiev, in correspondence to their stability, will in the first instance, fall not upon the Russians in the Donbass, but rather upon the genuine committed nationalists. Today this is what Poroshenko is doing. This was clear earlier and I wrote about this earlier in the year.

    Rather than being an idea (which moreover is distinctly un-appealing to the EU), Nationalism for Kiev is an instrument. There is no requirement for committed nationalists. The requirement is for cynics, who are happy to articulate nationalists’ slogans in order to gain control over the budgetary and gas revenue flows. Thus, regarding the situation in recent months, committed nationalists(which for our purposes we shall name ‘Right Sector’) have come to look more and more seriously at breaking away from Kiev. Moreover, Kiev earlier distributed budgetary money to them (received from Donbass and other regions) and now there is no more budgetary money to distribute.

    However Galicia by itself cannot breakaway from Kiev. Kiev, for whom the slogan (‘for the unity of the Ukraine’) has become totemic, will never agree to it. This means that, as well as the rebels in the Donbass, there is also appearing a new force, which is also interested in the collapse of the country. In this way, from the above, we can formulate the picture below of the future Ukraine.

    Should the Rebels from the South-East reach an agreement with the Galician nationalists, then they will take power in Kiev. In that case, the insurgents, proponents of the former Soviet Union and the slogan ‘friendship of the Peoples’ will, through the creation of a multi-ethnic ethnic state, put an end to nationalism and re-establish peace in the Ukraine. Galicia, as it were, in gratitude for its assistance, would receive either independence, probably as part of a confederation or quite possibly full independence as a separate state. It is clearly difficult to imagine a state where in some schools they teach that Bandera is a fascist criminal and in others – that he is a hero. But that remaining part of the Ukraine will be a peaceful, unified state, entering, one would imagine the European Economic Area.

    Should agreement not be reached and the insurgents not achieve victory (either by circumstance or by result of foreign intervention), then the intensifying confrontation in Kiev will inescapably lead to the break-up of the country into petty fiefdoms with a correspondingly low quality of life and norms of governance. At present we enumerate 5 of these; Novorossiya, Hetmanshina (Cossak, with Kiev as its capital), New Khazaria (under the control of the oligarch Kolomoiski) and Galicia. We also consider one more statelet, Transcarpathia which is likely to be dissected and integrated into neighbouring countries.

    But nobody has said that the process of disintegration will stop there. Anyone who doubts it should read Bulgakov. The mentality of the people in the Ukraine has not significantly changed since then. It is difficult to even conceive how a normal man can live in these conditions.

    If we believe that the best outcome is a united (that is relatively united, without either the Crimea or Galicia) Ukraine, a Ukraine which is peaceful and prosperous, it is essential that the insurgents take control of Kiev. Until this happens, the war will continue. Unfortunately, there is simply no way of stopping the war and preserving Ukraine until Kiev falls to the insurgents.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:30 pm

    http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/106920.html
    TERRORISTS !!


    Igor Bigdan crossed all lines in a fit of Ukraine-conscious patriotism:
    Самый сок! - Куда идёт война
    "The conclusion is scary: the situation will change only if the war will take a new turn, when the war will move into the territory of Russia. And if the war won't end, then it will definitely relocated, because the Ukrainians have no other choice. In a full-fledged war against Russia we lose, so the war will transition to the underground-sabotage form. And it is quite logical that Ukrainians won't carry out terror acts on roads and power stations, blowing up of homes and hospitals in Ukraine. It is impossible to recognize the Ukrainian saboteur in a crowd: unlike Chechens, we look alike, the soft "g" and "sho" can be cured by a week of training, the documents can be forged. There are so many people who are inflamed by hatred and who want to take revenge for Crimea, for Donbass, for the dead. For one, you can read our forums and facebooks, where Poroshenko is cursed for "truce". The Russians will get the motivation they are lacking from terror acts. Putin's rule started with terror acts and it will end with terror acts."  

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:02 pm

    arpakola wrote:Obama places Russia between the Ebola virus and international terrorism





    his is the except in which Russia and the Ukraine are mentioned:
    (...) Russia’s actions in Ukraine challenge this post-war order. Here are the facts. After the people of Ukraine mobilized popular protests and calls for reform, their corrupt President fled. Against the will of the government in Kiev, Crimea was annexed. Russia poured arms into Eastern Ukraine, fueling violent separatists and a conflict that has killed thousands. When a civilian airliner was shot down from areas that these proxies controlled, they refused to allow access to the crash for days. When Ukraine started to reassert control over its territory, Russia gave up the pretense of merely supporting the separatists, and moved troops across the border.

    This is a vision of the world in which might makes right – a world in which one nation’s borders can be redrawn by another, and civilized people are not allowed to recover the remains of their loved ones because of the truth that might be revealed. America stands for something different. We believe that right makes might – that bigger nations should not be able to bully smaller ones; that people should be able to choose their own future.

    These are simple truths, but they must be defended. America and our allies will support the people of Ukraine as they develop their democracy and economy. We will reinforce our NATO allies, and uphold our commitment to collective defense. We will impose a cost on Russia for aggression, and counter falsehoods with the truth. We call upon others to join us on the right side of history – for while small gains can be won at the barrel of a gun, they will ultimately be turned back if enough voices support the freedom of nations and peoples to make their own decisions.

    Moreover, a different path is available – the path of diplomacy and peace and the ideals this institution is designed to uphold. The recent cease-fire agreement in Ukraine offers an opening to achieve that objective. If Russia takes that path – a path that for stretches of the post-Cold War period resulted in prosperity for the Russian people – then we will lift our sanctions and welcome Russia’s role in addressing common challenges. That’s what the United States and Russia have been able to do in past years – from reducing our nuclear stockpiles to meet our obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, to cooperating to remove and destroy Syria’s declared chemical weapons. And that’s the kind of cooperation we are prepared to pursue again—if Russia changes course. (...)
    Basically, this is the same line as Poroshenko (which is really unsurprising since they used pretty much the same speechwriters). The message to Russia is simple:"surrender or we will mobilize the entire planet against you".

    Foreign Minister Lavrov commented: “As for the U.S. President’s speech, we earned the second place among the threats to international peace and stability: number one is the Ebola virus, number two is the so-called Russian aggression in Europe and ISIL and other terrorists who are now taking hold of the Middle East and primarily of the countries, which have evidenced U.S. interventions, are ranked as number three.”  


    Oh boy they don't even try to hide it anymore!
    Oh great I love match ups!

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:54 pm

    fragmachine wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:
    fragmachine wrote:
    Falanga, ONR can be considered far right anti American movements, real patriots (not those fake from Mlodziesz Wszechpolska with Russophobic  theme) have love for our Slavic brothers. They also prepared packs with food, cigarettes and other products of daily use for Serbian general Radislava Krsticia illegaly jailed in Warsaw.

    These are also anti-zionist, anti liberal-conservative, anti capitalist.

    For several reasons I don't like far-right political parties, whether in Russia, Ukraina, the West, or else.

    May be because I am a left-wing person, and furthermore, the harmful ideas of racism and extremism are usually popular in far-right factions.

    We have to protect the independence and dignity of the Slavic community, but we also have to pay respect to other nations, other countries.

    I might be wrong in my assesment. It is not typically "far right" sensu stricto - in fact it is definition given by mainstream political "experts". Like anybody knows there are different individuals in any movement, but Falanga for example showed support for Syrian people and even went to Syria, had meeting in embassy and talked to the normal people there.

    It could be called fusion of socialism and nationalism but that assesment wouldn't be better too. They support anyone who is an enemy to "pax americana"... Wondered at first when seen that leftists can cooperate with rightists.

    Im not really into Falanga or ONR, and there are also leftists, pan-Slavists in Poland who have the same opinion of what is happening in the world.
    Pan-slavist and anticapitalist? That is a dream come true. I thought all of them were bullshitting the same thing about how evil commi jews destroyed glorious god chosen aryan slavic free market and feudalism.

    Also do these groups propogate any religious fanaticism, such as blind praise for the church or white supremacist neopaganism( not that I'm against restoring slavic pagan beliefs, just that they're usually mixed with nasty right wing stuff), or call for eugenics, discrimination of gays, foreigners, etc.?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:00 pm

    http://lifenews.ru/news/141351

    У тел, найденных под Донецком, удалены внутренние органыПремьер-министр ДНР Александр Захарченко рассказал о первых результатах обследования жертв бойцов ВСУ и территориальных батальонов.
    The bodies found near Donetsk, had the internal organs removed, Prime Minister Alexander DNR Zaharchenko told about the first results of a survey of victims fighters APU and territorial battalions.

    and here is an old story in Kossovo , regarding human organ trading by the later president of Kossovo Thaci (supported by EU and NATO)
    http://garizo.blogspot.gr/2009/04/house-of-horrors-serbians-kidnapped-for.html

    ’House of horrors’: Serbians kidnapped for organs - Operated without narcosis !!
    http://thebloodyellowhouse.wordpress.com/
    Serbia seeks probe into Kosovan organ trafficking | euronews, world news
    Serbia has said it is willing to talk with leaders in Pristina over Kosovo’s future status, but have also demanded an investigation into alleged organ trafficking during its drive for independence.A report last week by Council of Europe investigator Dick Marty, suggested Kosovo’s prime minister Hashim Thaci was behind the illegal trade. Thaci’s vowed to sue.‘‘Dick Marty must find some good lawyers, if he is able to, to protect him, because under no circumstances will he escape from justice and this crystal clear slander,’‘ he said.Kidney’s as well as other organs were allegedly taken from Serbs and other opponents of rebel Kosovar forces during Kosovo’s war of succession in 1999.Serbian President Boris Tadic said the report ‘‘created a completely new situation’‘ and showed there were not only crimes committed by Serbs in Kosovo during the conflict.Kosovo’s Western-backed prime minister Thaci has vehemently denied the accusations which are alleged to have taken place in neighbouring Albania in the late 1990s.




    Kosovo Albanian Organ Harvesting Atrocities: Albanian Village at the End of Civilization
    German weekly Der Spiegel in its September 21 story “from the end of the world” writes about a village near the Albanian town of Burrel and the basement of the Katuchi family house where, according to the testimony of the Hague’s former chief prosecutor Carla Del Ponte, kidnapped Kosovo-Metohija Serbs had their vital organs extracted for sale. In her book “The Hunt, Me and War Criminals”, Del Ponte wrote that in the immediate aftermath of the 1998-1999 insurgency war in southern Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija, when NATO troops were already stationed in the province, Albanian KLA terrorists transported some 300 kidnapped men, mostly Serbs, to Kukes and Tropoja on the border with neighboring Albania, from where the youngest and the strongest ones were taken to the village Ribe, near Burrel.
    KLA Leaders are Now Highest Ranking Kosovo Province Politicians
    Del Ponte cites testimonies of eight eyewitnesses, all of whom, independently from each other, said the same thing: that in the basement of a yellow house in village Ribe, a medical doctor — “an Albanian from [Kosovo-Metohija] town of Pech, with the prominently hooked nose” — extracted organs of fifty kidnapped men. “In the meantime, the eyewitnesses have vanished entirely”, one of the former investigators told Spiegel. Weekly cites former investigators’ doubts in the willingness of the witnesses to give any statements, since that would be a problem for the former KLA leaders, who are at present the highest ranking political officials in Kosovo province. Albanian town Kukes (red arrow) bordering Serbia, where the kidnapped Kosovo Serbs were first taken. Town Burrel, further to the south, near which the vital organs of the kidnapped Serbs were harvested, is also marked with the red arrow. “That is why they fear that every statement would be a certain death sentence for them,” the investigator said. So the last hope that the light will be shed on these events is placed in the Council of Europe Special Investigator Dick Marty, who should investigate the case within two years, Spiegel says, noting the Swiss earlier probed CIA’s illegal transfers and secret prisons in Europe.



    At the End of the World
    “Village near Burrel is called Ribe and this ‘house of horrors’ is not only at the end of the village, but also at the end of civilization”, Spiegel writes, explaining that the road behind the house is blocked by the ingrown, unkempt thorny foliage and that the gorge below is being used as a garbage depot. Describing the conversation with 77-year-old owner of the “house of horrors” Abdul Katuchi, Spiegel quotes the old man saying how one day, in February 2004, while he was with the sheep up on a hill, armed policemen and foreigners came to his house, along with one Albanian prosecutor, how they turned everything upside-down, took even the cigarette buts with them, and spritzed the rooms with some liquid to find traces of blood. Katuchi complained that, because of this, members of his family, even with the small baby, had to spend two nights in cold. According to Katuchi, the UN investigative team was particularly interested in one basement room, where the concrete floor was painted black. They wanted to scrape and drill the floors, but he told them they can do that only under condition that they pay him for the damages. After that “the men and one woman” pulled back, Katuchi said, claiming that he learned only in April this year, when Carla Del Ponte’s book was published, what were they looking for in his house. He told Spiegel reporters that, if he wasn’t “so poor”, he would “sue Del Ponte before the European Human Rights Court in Strasbourg”.
    Gaping Holes in Katuchis’ Story
    “So, everything is false? The organ trade is no more than part of the conspiracy theory from the Balkan pits? Most probably, not”, Spiegel concludes, pointing to the gaping holes in the old man’s story, attentively followed by his grandchildren, who were eagerly jumping in to help him put together half-decent explanations. One of the issues the old man couldn’t explain was the question about the infusion bottles with muscle relaxants, bandages and syringes found by the investigators around his house.
    “In these surroundings, without the appropriate medical care, it is entirely normal for people to inject themselves in the emergency,” a 26-year-old Katuchi’s granddaughter told Spiegel, which assessed such “explanation” hardly sounds convincing. Speaking about the blood traces found in their house, Katuchi’s granddaughter said that “one woman gave birth there” and, “besides, during the Islamic holidays, that is where the cattle is being slayed”. In the basement. They jump in to help their grandfather when it comes to the color of the house too: all of the eyewitnesses have described the house as yellow, but it is white now!! . Katuchis have a ready explanation up their sleeves for that as well. Although at first they kept claiming their house was “always white”, the granddaughter eventually managed to “remember” it was painted over for one wedding, Spiegel writes, pointing out that the UN investigators did find the yellow paint underneath the top white coat back in 2004.


     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt:_Me_and_the_War_Criminals
    Del Ponte ordered to return to Argentina and forget about her book's launch dunno
    19:49 | 09/ 04/ 2008
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    MOSCOW. (RIA Novosti political commentator Andrei Fedyashin) - Carla Del Ponte, former prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY), has exhausted the patience of the invariably calm Swiss Federal Department of Foreign Affairs, where she works.

    She received a message ordering her to immediately return to her position as ambassador to Argentina, and banning her presence at the launch of her new book, "The Hunt: Me and War Criminals," which was scheduled for early April in Milan. "Any public presentation of this work is incompatible with the author's status of a Swiss ambassador...Carla Del Ponte's book...contains statements, which are unacceptable for a representative of the government of Switzerland," department spokesman Jean-Philippe Jeannerat said in a special statement to the press on April 8.

    Any other diplomat would have been knocked out for a long time by this public reprimand, but not the Swiss Iron Lady. She calmly left Italy, and is supposed to have arrived in Argentina by now. Indeed, how does this pinprick compare with numerous awful nicknames that Del Ponte is bizarrely proud of? They were coined by all those she punished as a former Swiss Attorney General, and head of the ICTY (from 1999 to 2007). In her latter position, she was dubbed "New Gestapo," Italian Cosa Nostra called her "La Puttana," and Swiss bankers gave her the name of "Unguided Missile."

    But Del Ponte does not find these labels insulting because they only show how good she is at her job. Her former Italian colleague Giovanni Falcone called her the "incarnation of stubbornness," but she was unabashed. She has a strange attitude toward these assessments, but it is enough to see her in flesh and blood once, and many questions will disappear.

    Ponte's 416-page book about her work as the head of the ICTY was published in Italian by the Milan-based Fertinelli publishers, and has already been translated into English and French. For 20 euros, one can get an insight into the prosecutor's inner world. In general, her book is dry and would have been even drier if she had not had a co-author - New York Times reporter Chuck Sudetic.

    In principle, Del Ponte has not revealed any secrets. Serbian refugees reported that Kosovo Albanians cut the organs out of live Serbs, and shipped them to the West as donor organs for transplantations. But Serbs were not supposed to be trusted in the 1990s. The prosecutor's voice sounds more convincing, but suggests the following question - why didn't she do anything in order to find the culprits and punish them?

    Del Ponte claims that she could do nothing because it was next to impossible to collect evidence in Kosovo, which was swarming with criminals. Witnesses were intimidated, and even judges in The Hague were afraid of the Kosovo Albanians. She writes in her book that some of the tribunal's judges were afraid that Albanians would come deal with them.

    Yelena Guskova, a leading expert on the Balkans and head of the Balkans Crisis Center at the Institute of Slavic Studies, Russian Academy of Sciences, is not the only one to find the tribunal a rather strange formation. She took part in its work during the trial of Serbian Gen. Stanislav Galic in 2003. This is what she said on the topic, "The tribunal was set up to justify NATO actions in Yugoslavia. Aggression was outlawed, but law was tantamount to punishing the 'guilty side,' which had been determined in advance. The tribunal's high-ranking members did not understand the gist of the process, but were juggling with the facts to accuse one of the sides. I had the impression that they were not competent enough. Some judges heard about the Balkans for the first time in The Hague. The tribunal's verdict, at least for the Serbs, was predetermined - all would be found guilty."

    It is hardly surprising that Del Ponte was chosen to deal with Yugoslavia in order to kill the Serbian reputation. There was no room for the "Unguided Missile" in Switzerland by the late 1990s. This is only natural considering that this tiny woman has enormous ambitions. She has always been aggressive in reaching her goals, and has brought the execution of law to the point of absurdity - even her colleagues wondered how she could eliminate even the smallest margin for common sense and justice between law and reality.

    Her career is filled with major cases, many of them political and bearing on scandals. Evil tongues say that Del Ponte could not conceal her delight in taking them over because they would give her a name. Some even insist that she was commissioned (Serbs had to be demonized), or passed biased verdicts (she does not conceal her dislike of Serbia and Russia), and that she was not the first fiddle in really serious cases.

    Del Ponte inquired into the Mabetex case in the 1990s, when Boris Yeltsin and his two daughters were accused of accepting payments for their personal expenses from that company - supposedly, more than one million dollars was spent on this.

    She also froze Swiss accounts of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. These cases would probably reveal interesting details if reviewed, but nobody wants to investigate them now.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:13 pm

    Exclusive: Georgia Offers to Host Training Camp for Syrian Rebels

    SLAVA - SLAVA - SLAVA .. to the Partner of the Ukranian Coloured (black this time..) revolution



    After significant public backlash, officials from the former Soviet Republic of Georgia denied a report on Tuesday that the country offered to host a center where the U.S. military could train Syrian rebels.

    The offer, first reported by Foreign Policy, was made by Georgian officials to Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel during his visit to the country's capital of Tbilisi earlier this month, according to both U.S. and Georgian government officials. The Pentagon was considering the offer, however, after it became public on Tuesday and raised alarm bells about potential security issues for the small Caucasian nation, Georgian officials began to downplay, or in some cases, deny they ever offered.

    "I categorically rule out any military participation or training base in Georgia. We have not discussed it and our American partners know it," Georgian Foreign Minister Maia Panjikidze reportedly told reporters in New York. Georgia's State Security and Crisis Management Council, an interagency body, stated that it was "not true" that the nation was planning on operating such a training camp, which could potentially put it in the crosshairs of the Islamic State and other militant groups.

    Separately, Georgia's Defense Ministry did not deny the existence of the offer, and issued a statement saying it "is considering the ways how to contribute to the goals of anti-ISIS coalition in fight against terrorism."

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/09/23/exclusive_georgia_offers_to_host_training_camp_for_syrian_rebels

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:34 pm

    So new practise targets in Georgia that russia could with full legitamecy destroy.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  fragmachine on Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:37 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    fragmachine wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:
    fragmachine wrote:
    Falanga, ONR can be considered far right anti American movements, real patriots (not those fake from Mlodziesz Wszechpolska with Russophobic  theme) have love for our Slavic brothers. They also prepared packs with food, cigarettes and other products of daily use for Serbian general Radislava Krsticia illegaly jailed in Warsaw.

    These are also anti-zionist, anti liberal-conservative, anti capitalist.

    For several reasons I don't like far-right political parties, whether in Russia, Ukraina, the West, or else.

    May be because I am a left-wing person, and furthermore, the harmful ideas of racism and extremism are usually popular in far-right factions.

    We have to protect the independence and dignity of the Slavic community, but we also have to pay respect to other nations, other countries.

    I might be wrong in my assesment. It is not typically "far right" sensu stricto - in fact it is definition given by mainstream political "experts". Like anybody knows there are different individuals in any movement, but Falanga for example showed support for Syrian people and even went to Syria, had meeting in embassy and talked to the normal people there.

    It could be called fusion of socialism and nationalism but that assesment wouldn't be better too. They support anyone who is an enemy to "pax americana"... Wondered at first when seen that leftists can cooperate with rightists.

    Im not really into Falanga or ONR, and there are also leftists, pan-Slavists in Poland who have the same opinion of what is happening in the world.
    Pan-slavist and anticapitalist? That is a dream come true. I thought all of them were bullshitting the same thing about how evil commi jews destroyed glorious god chosen aryan slavic free market and feudalism.

    Also do these groups propogate any religious fanaticism, such as blind praise for the church or white supremacist neopaganism( not that I'm against restoring slavic pagan beliefs, just that they're usually mixed with nasty right wing stuff), or call for eugenics, discrimination of gays, foreigners, etc.?

    You could always go and read their statements. Their views are just like those of Jobbik. If you read closely about Jobbik - then it is about copy-paste.

    They don't use nazi saluting like ukrainians, dont propagate nazi symbolism and do not have anything to do with so called "nazism".

    You won't definitely find anything promoting eugenics, rather in form of proof what liberalism in western countries promote. Discrimination of foreigners happens in a country which economy is in a bad shape. Anyone would welcome specialists from abroad if deficit happens but not much people would welcome someone to take his workplace when milions of countrymen don't have a job.

    There is to some degree brainwash in fake right and far-right movements controlled by US - like being proud just because you've been born white - which i find ridiculous. You won't find that type of behaviour in for example Falanga. How it is that they reffer to Palestinians, Syrians, Iranian people as their allies? They do notice Belarus and rather than demonizing it they show what real nationalism should look like. I can't quite remember but it was probably Bekier who said that Poland would be a great country with president like Lukashenko.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:02 pm




    Facebook deleted our publication about fascist Ukrainian doctor who killed 2 POW by injection.

    This morning, 10 hours ago was published story about Elena Krasutskaya, Kiev junta doctor who proudly admitted in murder of POW in social network. Now I receive notification of Facebook that this publication "doesn't follow Facebook Community Standards" and was deleted. Also one of my accounts which I used for publication don't able to publish anything during 24 hours. This way Facebook support Kiev junta.
    I want to remind that many pages of Syrian and Libyan "rebels", proudly published videos of executions. This is maybe good for Facebook Community Standards, because these videos weren't deleted.

    This publication was deleted, so I ask to share it again, ----- off Zukerberb:

    "Ukrainian fascist - doctor killed two prisoners from Novorossia by injection.

    More than week ago, at 9th September Elena Krasutskaya, doctor in hospital of town Belya Tserkov, near city Kiev wrote about murder in social network. She admitted to her friend in some forum in the social network "Odnoklassniki" that she killed fighter of Novorossia. She wrote: I today as doctor damaged health of captive kazap [Russian] - fighter. And he painfully dying because of used [injected] medicines. And dick [noone] be able to prove [murder]. Pathologists are with us.
    And this [death] will be to every [ fighter of Novorossia].
    This information was checked by Ukrainian blogger -antifascist and his friends. They got information, that recently in days then in hospital worked doctor Elena Krasutskaya died 2 fighters of Novorossia. So, she admitted in real murder and she killed at least 2 people.
    I want to remind that fighters of Novorossia and civilians from Novorossia came to Ukrainian hospitals only after tortures of SBU. Part of them back to SBU to new tortures, SBU - intelligence service of Kiev junta taking from prisoners confessions by tortures.
    Kiev junta prisoners who come to hands of such new Mengele, as Elena Krasutskaya could have painful times of their lives and even died.

    Ukrainian blogger who made interrogation uploaded video with results to his own channel in Youtube. You can to see there photos of Elena Krasutskaya, her husband and son. Whole family are fascists...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:18 pm

    I really hope someone murders her very slowly and cruelly.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:44 pm

    The European Union parliament are having headaches with the declarations of a LATVIAN legislator that is supporting Crimea referendum calling totally legitimate and that they have as much right as SCOTland , and many other referendums for Independence that the European Union have supported.  Smile

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/751285


    She blames the West for the problems in Ukraine for allowing Radicals to take power and support Russia actions. .Finally someone with courage to the truth.. hats off to the women of LATVIA..  I bet some members here will be furious and in rage over her comments of Calling Russia actions legitimate ,it seems we are not as crazy "conspirators" as pro USA and EU fans accused us.  Very Happy

    Here is the Hero..




    The European Union parliament is pressuring her for silence ..  so much for "freedom of expression" in Europe.. Cool

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