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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  max steel on Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:54 pm

    I might sound as a tinfoil hatter . But no one here ever discussed about Margav Technology ?


    This is some serous tech, you can down load the 1.6 gig torrent with tall the specs and vids for energy production and how the tech works here. Wierd how the Iranians are giving away the tech if it works. Also weird how Obama banned it via executive order. http://kickass.to/keshe-foundation-usb-files-t8884597.html




    The aircraft carriers of the US will become nothing but floating bathtubs if our Magrav’s technology is used effectively, and the runways full of F16s and 18s and so on will be nothing but runway museums of iron birds, as these craft will not be able to fly if their electronic systems are once touched by Magrav’s space technology. These crafts and battleships would have to be rewired from A to Z before they could ever operate again.


    http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/2015/03/how-the-new-iranian-russian-technology-magrav-checkmate-the-us-navy/

    Obama executive order : https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/23/executive-order-blocking-property-and-suspending-entry-united-states-cer
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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  flamming_python on Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:30 am

    max steel wrote:I might sound as a tinfoil hatter . But no one here ever discussed about Margav Technology ?


    This is some serous tech, you can down load the 1.6 gig torrent with tall the specs and vids for energy production and how the tech works here.  Wierd how the Iranians are giving away the tech if it works.  Also weird how Obama banned it via executive order. http://kickass.to/keshe-foundation-usb-files-t8884597.html




    The aircraft carriers of the US will become nothing but floating bathtubs if our Magrav’s technology is used effectively, and the runways full of F16s and 18s and so on will be nothing but runway museums of iron birds, as these craft will not be able to fly if their electronic systems are once touched by Magrav’s space technology. These crafts and battleships would have to be rewired from A to Z before they could ever operate again.


    http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/2015/03/how-the-new-iranian-russian-technology-magrav-checkmate-the-us-navy/

    Obama executive order : https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/23/executive-order-blocking-property-and-suspending-entry-united-states-cer

    You're right! cheers

    You do sound like a tinfoil hatter.
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    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:04 am

    Lol . Very Happy

    But what you think about this tech ? Is it impossible that's why ?
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    Post  Captain Nemo on Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:38 pm

    My favorite AK scene:





    As one comment says: "The thing that makes this movie CLEARLY a work of fiction is the fact that an AK jammed. Wink"

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    AK-47's wounds are less worser than M4's wounds.

    Post  nemrod on Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:55 pm

    PS-Question to the admin, or Modo : Isn't better if we have a special topic dedicated to ammunitions ?
    If you have it feel free to move this post in the appropriate topic.


    http://uk.businessinsider.com/ak-47-wound-over-an-m4-2015-12?r=US&IR=T


    Doctor explains why he would rather be shot with an AK-47 than an M4

    Admittedly, I’d rather not be shot with either, but if I had to choose, I’d take a round from the AK-47 over the M4 any day of the week. To add a caveat to that statement, I’m talking from relatively close range here—say up to 150-200 meters.
    To understand why, it’s important to first take a very basic look at the physics behind terminal ballistics.

    In this case, consider the science of what happens when a penetrating missile enters a human body.

    The first place to start is the following kinetic-energy equation:

    KE = ½ M (V1-V2)2

    Breaking this equation down into its components, we have kinetic energy (KE) influenced by the mass (M) of the penetrating missile, as well as the velocity (V) of the missile.

    This makes sense; it is logical that a heavier, faster missile is going to do more damage than a lighter, slower missile. What is important to understand is the relative influence that mass and velocity have on kinetic energy, as this is key to understanding why I’d rather be shot with an AK than with an M4.

    You’ll notice that the mass component of the KE equation is halved, whereas the velocity component is squared. For this reason, it is the velocity of the projectile that has far more bearing on the energy that it delivers into the target than the mass.

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    An AK-47.

    The V1-V2 component of the equation takes into consideration that the projectile might actually pass straight through the target, rather than coming to rest in the target.

    In this instance, the change in the velocity of the projectile as it passes through the target (V1 being its velocity as it enters, and V2 being velocity on exit) is the factor that is considered when calculating how much energy the missile delivered into the target.

    Naturally, if the projectile comes to rest in the target (ie: no exit wound), then V2 equals zero and the projectile’s velocity as it entered (V1) is used to calculate the KE.

    That’s enough physics for now, but you get the concept that the optimum projectile to shoot someone with is one that has a decent mass; is very, very fast; and is guaranteed to come to rest in your target so as to dissipate as much energy as possible into them, and hence do maximal damage.

    The next concept to grasp is that of permanent cavitation versus temporary cavitation. Permanent cavitation is the hole left in a target from a projectile punching through it. You can think of it simply like a sharp stick being pushed through a target and leaving a hole the diameter of the stick.

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    An AK-47 bullet.

    The permanent cavity left by a bullet is proportionate to the surface area of the bullet as it passes through the tissue.
    For instance, if an AK-47 round of 7.62mm diameter at its widest point passes cleanly through a target, it will leave a round, 7.62mm permanent cavity.

    If this hole goes through a vital structure in the body, then the wound can be fatal.

    However, if the bullet passes through soft tissues only, the permanent cavity can be relatively benign.

    Below is a slow-motion video by Brass Fetcher of a 5.56x45mm round (same as what the M4 fires) hitting ballistic gelatin in slow motion.

    After watching, the medical provider can begin to appreciate the damage done to tissues by the pressure wave of the temporary cavitation.


    Having had the chance to treat dozens of high-velocity missile wounds over my years in the military, I’ve seen firsthand the effect that various rifle calibers can have at various distances, hitting various body parts. Naturally there are a multitude of variables that come into play when someone gets shot, and no two gunshot wounds are ever going to be the same.

    The purpose of this article is not to draw any academic conclusions about the ballistics of the AK-47 versus the M4, or argue the merits of one ammo over another, it is to introduce the concepts of the different wounding profiles of permanent and temporary cavities using a couple of case studies.

    Below are two examples I was involved with that illustrate somewhat of a comparative study of an AK-47 round and an M4 round striking approximately the same anatomical location, and from roughly the same range (in these cases, 150-200 meters).

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    This series of photos you can see a particularly nasty M4 gunshot wound, with a small entrance wound in the right lower buttock, and a massive exit wound in the right lateral thigh.

    The X-ray in the last image shows that the projectile struck the upper femur and demolished the bone, sending secondary bone fragments flying through the tissues and accounting for the majority of the exit wound.

    The damage done by the pressure wave of the temporary cavity can be appreciated in the first image, with deep bruising extending up the buttock and into the casualty’s lower back. This bruising resulted from the energy dissipated through the tissues pulverizing small blood vessels in its path (think back to the ballistic gelatin video to imagine what went on in the tissues).

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    Don't worry, he's okay.

    The granular material in the middle of the thigh wound seen on the X-ray is an older-generation QuikClot advanced clotting sponge (ACS), which was inserted at the point of injury for hemorrhage control to excellent effect. The bright white fragments on the X-ray are small pieces of the bullet, which had disintegrated on impact with the tissue and bone. This is another characteristic of the M4 round that makes it all the more unappealing to be shot with—the tendency for the bullet to disintegrate if it strikes tissue at a decent velocity.

    Despite being a jacketed round, because it’s smaller, lighter, and faster than an AK-47 projectile, the 5.56mm tends to yaw faster once it hits tissue. The shearing forces on the bullet once it is traveling at 90° through the tissue often tears the bullet into pieces, thus creating multiple smaller projectiles and increasing the chances of all of the bullet parts remaining in the target, and hence dissipating more energy.

    The AK-47 round, being slightly heavier and slower than the M4 round, has a tendency to remain intact as it strikes tissue, and although it will penetrate deeper, it tends to remain intact and not yaw until it has penetrated much deeper than the M4.

    Here’s a video from The Ammo Channel of the AK-47’s 7.62x39mm projectile being fired into ballistic gelatin for comparison to the video above of the 5.56x45mm (M4) round. Although the video shows a soft-point round being used, which theoretically should be more destructive than its full metal jacket counterpart, the video still illustrates nicely the significant penetration of the AK-47 round without it yawing significantly or disintegrating.

    I once saw a good case study illustrating this point, where a casualty had sustained an AK-47 gunshot wound to the right lateral thigh and we recovered the intact bullet from the inside of his left upper abdominal wall. It had passed through approximately one metre of his tissues and shredded his small bowel, but the projectile hadn’t fragmented at all, and the temporary cavitation hadn’t done enough damage to be lethal. The casualty required a laparotomy to remove multiple sections of small intestine, but he made a good recovery. That one is a story for another time.


    The following photo is of a good friend of mine who was shot by an AK-47 from approximately 200 meters while standing right next to me!

    Fortunately the bullet passed cleanly through, and after a surgical clean-out the afternoon of the injury, he turned up ready for work the very next day. They breed them tough where he is from!

    The image was taken a few days after the injury and the bruising from the temporary cavity of the projectile can be seen along the path of the bullet.

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    Don't worry, he's okay too.

    The entrance wound is at the top of the left buttock, with the exit being down on the left upper thigh. Although an unpleasant injury to have, the fact that the AK-47 round was traveling slower than an M4’s round at the same range would have been, coupled with the fact that the projectile remained intact and didn’t yaw significantly as it passed through him, meant the wound was nowhere near as devastating as the above-mentioned M4 injury in the same area.

    It must be noted, however, that the comparison is far from perfect given that the M4 injury involved the bone, with the one immediately above passing solely through soft tissues.

    So there it is. All things being equal, when all is said and done, I’d rather be shot with an AK-47 than a M4 on any day of the week. Naturally, as medical responders, it is always important to treat the wound and not the rifle that inflicted it, and I have certainly seen some horrendous AK-47 wounds over the years and some relatively minor ones from M4s. It all depends.

    The main take-home points for first responders and medicos are: Be aware of the magnitude of damage that can be caused by the temporary cavitation resulting from high-velocity missile wounds, and if you find an entrance wound, there’s no telling where in the body the projectile might have ended up!

    Dr Dan Pronk completed his medical schooling on an Australian Army scholarship and served the majority of his military career with Special Operations Units, including four tours of Afghanistan and over 100 combat missions.

    Read the original article on SOFREP. SOFREP is an apolitical news site run by former military special ops and intelligence professionals. Copyright 2015.


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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:16 pm

    we have this thread:

    Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t3422p30-russian-firearms-comparison-with-rest-of-the-world


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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  nemrod on Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:35 pm

    George1 wrote:we have this thread:

    Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t3422p30-russian-firearms-comparison-with-rest-of-the-world

    Thx George, please could you move asap this post in this topic.

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    Russian PKM vs. M134 MiniGun

    Post  nemrod on Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:54 pm


    I don't know where to post this video. Feel free to move it where you want.



    I often wonder why did Russia not replace its PKM by Minigun ?
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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:27 pm

    nemrod wrote:
    I don't know where to post this video. Feel free to move it where you want.



    I often wonder why did Russia not replace its PKM by Minigun ?

    For what?

    Everything you want to kill you can kill with 1-3 shots with a PK/PKM/PKP of a quite large calibre 7.62x54mmR while the Minigun is wasting alot of ammunition and does not even hit with every shot, the high rpm is wasting ammunition and due to the high rpm and the horrible means of aiming the gun it needs from basis a high amount of ammunition to be even fired for more than one engagement within 1-4 seconds. It is one of the least effecient weapons for infantry wielded versus anti infantry weapons and unarmored vehicles.

    Just waste of ammunition, little effeciency, high burden for logistics and transportation and adds costs. I do not know how reliable a minigun is certainly not unreliable but once it needs maintenance i do not think that you can fix and maintain it without special training, while you can maintain a MG especially older generations of MG's which are quite simple but effecient.
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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  nemrod on Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:58 pm

    Werewolf wrote:I do not know how reliable a minigun is certainly not unreliable but once it needs maintenance i do not think that you can fix and maintain it without special training, while you can maintain a MG especially older generations of MG's which are quite simple but effecient.

    And what do you think about GShG-7.62 ? Isn't it a gattling gun too ? GShG-7.62 fits for Helicopters like the Minigun. I don't know about their effectiveness, I was only impressed by their RPM.
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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:39 pm

    It would be stupid to compare a minigun with a GPMG... they are very different things designed for very different roles.

    Just because they fire the same calibre bullet does not make them the same or even comparable.

    Very simply a minigun is for use in situations where large areas of ground need to be suppressed rapidly, so an enormous rate of fire is needed.

    For a helicopter the weight of a minigun and its ammo is not important... its extreme fire power is the critical thing.

    the problem is that it is largely ineffective at ranges greater than about 600m, but for close in enemy suppression it is very good.

    A GPMG on the other hand needs to be portable and accurate and a very high rate of fire is undesirable as it wastes ammo.

    Comparing gatling guns with gatling guns... the Soviet 30 cal gatling gun is lighter because it only has 4 barrels, has double the rate of fire at 6,000rpm compared with 3,000rpm for the US version, but otherwise is similar in that it has a very limited range of uses where the high rate of fire is needed.

    AFAIK the main use for the Soviet gatling gun in that calibre is in the Ka-29 assault helo.

    For most other roles the PKM is a much better choice.


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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  nemrod on Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:It would be stupid to compare a minigun with a GPMG... they are very different things designed for very different roles.
    I know that even an AK-47 is enough against a man. When I saw this video on Youtube, in fact I thought if a PKM is enough to take out a heavily armoured Humvee. I thought maybe the Minigun could penetrate the Humvee.


    I do not know if the PKM could engage the MRAP too.



    For that reason I post this question.

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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  cracker on Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:19 pm

    For these you have RPGs and KORDs, not PKMs... Such armored vehicles are proof against 7.62 AP at combat range, you won't just simply sit right next to it and empty a 100 rounds belt of 7.62 AP at perfect angle on the side... This way, i think it can penetrate armored humvees but not MRAPs.

    Also please compare PKM with M60 or M240, and then see who wins. Hint, it's not the M60 or M240.

    I'd take Arbalet KORD RCWS on tiger over any M134 on any NATO wheeled deathtrap.

    You know the RPG-26? 3kg, 50$ price for Russ army contract, this is what would be used against NATO light wheeled "armor". It's the handiest and most cost effective package you can get for the bang.
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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  nemrod on Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:09 pm

    cracker wrote:
    Also please compare PKM with M60 or M240, and then see who wins. Hint, it's not the M60 or M240.
    I did not want to compare PKM with any other NATO's LMG, I know the reputation of PKM. In Iraq, even some marines used to fire with PKM, everyone knows its reliability. As I said, I thought it exists special amnunitions AP to penetrate Humvee, and MRAP. I thought if the PKM is not enough why not the Minigun. I know too, that RPG could penetrate any light armour vehicles, even average armoured like MRAP.



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    I'd take Arbalet KORD RCWS on tiger over any M134 on any NATO wheeled deathtrap.

    The setbacks of the KORD is somehow cumbersome. But I doubt the KORD could penetrate MRAP, only if Russia developped special amnunitions. Nevertheless I think with PKM you can disable a MRAP. It depends of the skills of soldiers who use it.


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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:29 am

    First of all lets start by getting some crap cleared up first.

    The standard Humvee is NOT an armoured vehicle... it is the replacement for the jeep, which wasn't armoured either.

    People just looked at the enormous weight of the Humvee and assumed it must be armoured.

    Armoured Humvees on the other hand are even heavier and slower and will likely stop most assault rifle calibre rounds... I rather doubt they would stop 12.7mm rounds.


    Most MRAPs have better armour and will likely stop 12.7 as well... that is why the Russians have shown portable 30mm cannon rifles for shooting MRAPs.

    Firing at a high rate of fire does not improve penetration except against ceramic armour, where the armour is weakened by repeated impacts.

    Proper metal armour is not effected by multiple hits.

    Hitting a metal plate with 100 rounds per second just means 100 dents where it didn't penetrate instead of 10 dents where it didn't penetrate.


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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:00 pm

    nemrod wrote:
    I did not want to compare PKM with any other NATO's LMG, I know the reputation of PKM. In Iraq, even some marines used to fire with PKM, everyone knows its reliability. As I said, I thought it exists special amnunitions AP to penetrate Humvee, and MRAP. I thought if the PKM is not enough why not the Minigun. I know too, that RPG could penetrate any light armour vehicles, even average armoured like MRAP.  



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    I'd take Arbalet KORD RCWS on tiger over any M134 on any NATO wheeled deathtrap.

    The setbacks of the KORD is somehow cumbersome. But I doubt the KORD could penetrate MRAP, only if Russia developped special amnunitions. Nevertheless I think with PKM you can disable a MRAP. It depends of the skills of soldiers who use it.



    You believe a 7.62x54mmR GPMG can penetrate with special ammunition an armored hummvee or an actual MRAP but you doubt a 12.7x108mm biggest, most accurate and most lethal Heavy Machine Gun can not do it? Either you do not know the calibres or your knowledge of such matters are lacking behind assumptions.
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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  nemrod on Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:16 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    You believe a 7.62x54mmR GPMG can penetrate with special ammunition an armored hummvee or an actual MRAP but you doubt a 12.7x108mm biggest, most accurate and most lethal Heavy Machine Gun can not do it? Either you do not know the calibres or your knowledge of such matters are lacking behind assumptions.

    Nope. As I said, Iam not soldier, Iam not specialist, most of you know better than me. In previous life I wanted to be soldier, but I chose the bad way to become, I wanted to be pilot, however I had a glass, I was eliminated, I did not apply more, because I felt myself humiliated. The things surrounding army matters have been always passionate me.
    At first I believed -not now- PKM could perfore Humvee, and MRAP-as U explained us, depending angles, the range, wind, opportunities, etc...- with special amnunitions AP. Oviously if the the PKM could perfore, a fortiori, the .50 calibre could do more. I was explained later that Humvees could resist at any 7.62 mm, and MRAP was designed mostly to resist at any LMG, and HMG whatever amnunitions were shot. The only way to perfore MRAP -as I was explained- is russian portable 30 mm cannon, and RPGs.
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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  nemrod on Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:25 am

    In this time economic depression US are interested to buy russian weapons origin. Finally the PKM won versus the Minigun by KO  cheers

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/06/10/special-operations-command-looks-to-u-s-companies-for-homemade-ak-47s/


    Special Operations Command looks to U.S. companies for homemade AK-47s

    By Thomas Gibbons-Neff June 10

    U.S. Special Operations Command, which oversees some of America’s most elite forces, is exploring the possibility of having American companies manufacture Russian-designed weapons, such as the AK-47, that are ubiquitous in war zones.

    First reported by the Tampa Bay Times, Special Operations Command, or SOCOM, posted a “sources sought” solicitation for non-standard weapons on a federal contracting site early last month. In April, the command posted a similar notice for non-standard weapon ammunition. The term “non standard” is used for weapons not frequently employed by the United States or its NATO allies.

    [Report: U.S. contractor tried to arm Syrian rebels with defective grenades By]

    “For this solicitation, we are exploring capabilities and capacity within [the United States’] industrial base to build the types of weapons many of our foreign partners use,” Navy Cmdr. Matt Allen, a SOCOM spokesman, said in an email.

    SOCOM’s solicitation includes weapons such as the iconic “AK-47″ rifle, a catchall designator for Kalashnikov-variant rifles designed to fire a certain type of ammunition and often identified by their distinctive curved magazines. Other weapons include the SVD, a unique looking sniper rifle that has likely killed thousands of U.S. troops since it was first introduced in the years leading up to the Vietnam War. Additionally, Russian medium and heavy machine guns as well as 14.5mm aircraft guns are included in the notice.

    While the United States has sent American-made weapons to the Afghan military and Iraqi security forces, the presence of U.S. equipment in foreign hands can be problematic. Recently, U.S.-backed groups in Syria have been spotted with American equipment, including heavy machine guns and sniper rifles. Although likely more accurate than their Soviet-style counterparts, U.S. weapons can make the fighters carrying them targets for other factions.

    Aside from standing out, U.S. weapons can also be difficult to maintain, prompting Special Operations Command and the CIA to procure and supply weapons that their allies are used to fighting with, such as Kalashnikovs. To do this, the U.S. government often contracts with smaller companies to buy and ship the weapons.

    In 2015, Buzzfeed chronicled a $28 million contract given to a company called Purple Shovel to send weapons to U.S.-backed Syrian rebels. The contract ran into a myriad of problems after a Bulgarian company shipped faulty rocket-propelled grenades through Purple Shovel to SOCOM, Buzzfeed reported.

    According to Allen, an American source for the weapons would be a “good use of taxpayer funds, while also delivering the weapons our partners not only need to fight extremists, but also the ones they know how to use, know how to fix and have the supplies to maintain.”

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    Producing the weapons in the United States would also allow the government to enforce greater control over their manufacture and distribution.

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    “Building them here would normalize transfers, make oversight easier, and prevent ad-hoc type arrangements like we’ve seen in the past” said Matt Schroeder, a senior researcher with Small Arms Survey, a Geneva-based research group that tracks weapons.

    However, it still might be cheaper to buy them elsewhere. Weapons based on Mikhail Kalashnikov’s iconic design have been built and exported by dozens of countries during and after the Cold War. Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the rifle’s design was distributed to Eastern-bloc countries for manufacture, and only in recent years has Russia’s main arms exporter attempted to clamp down on copyright infringements.


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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  cracker on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:16 pm

    12.7x108 AP or API ball (can't remember the name but there is the post war B32 still in service + newer rounds) can penetrate close to 30mm of steel... so, yeah, if the target isn't sloped, the MRAP or light APCs can't resist fire from KORD or NSV or DShKM.

    But this is 28-30mm of RHA, you have to recall that all these light armor have very high hardness steel plates of small thickness but very high strength, penetration of 12.7mm can be reduced to 10-15mm against such steel.

    So, unless you can score at close range and in parts where it's flat, it's not a good mesure for frontal engagement at medium range.

    Russians should definitely develop a SLAP round for the 12.7mm caliber, seeing that they remove 14.5mm from arsenal and have a big gap between 12.7 and 30mm now, the 12.7mm with SLAP performs as good as 14.5mm API.
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    Re: Russian firearms comparison with rest of the world

    Post  nemrod on Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:01 pm

    cracker wrote:.
    Russians should definitely develop a SLAP round for the 12.7mm caliber, seeing that they remove 14.5mm from arsenal and have a big gap between 12.7 and 30mm now, the 12.7mm with SLAP performs as good as 14.5mm API.

    Thx cracker for your explanations.
    I ignored until now the existence of the SLAP. In fact unconsciously when I open this topic I thought about such special ammunitions. I did not imagine one second that Russia did not think about such cartridge for its light calibres like PKM, AKM, AK-10, AK-74 and even for heavy calibres like the 12.7 mm, as many US soldiers are more and more using bullet proof class 3 to 5, reducing the impact of 5.45, and even 7.62 mm. But as I was explained above, against any armoured vehicles RPGs are far the best idea, and it is more logical. The light machine guns like the PKM, or AK are intended against infantry, and cover soldiers with enough rate of fire.

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