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    arpakola

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    Scottish Ιndepedence Referendum 2014

    Post  arpakola on Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:02 pm

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    Re: Scottish Ιndepedence Referendum 2014

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:41 pm

    Ohhh, it is so close! People are predicting that it will be fixed, which wouldn't surprise me based on fixings within the US.

     - Nice picture there at the bottom. Laughing
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:07 pm

    Mike E wrote: - Nice picture there at the bottom. Laughing

    Off topic a bit, but in the Eastern countries, people will be probably punished if displaying "seven dirty words" in open, public area like this. Probably the Western society are more flexible and open-minded in such issues.

    Sometime, the differences between cultures are quite interesting, at least for me.

    Anyway, aside from Ireland, seems like nationalist movement of the Scots is the strongest amongst non-England UK.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:56 pm

    Sorry but people who want to liberate themselves from slavery are not nationalists necessarily and there is no nationalist insurgence in Scotland and I say this despite being nationalist  myself.
    They are simply Scots who do the ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL for their nation.
    Those who don't vote for freedom are fucking degenerate subs.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:08 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Sorry but people who want to liberate themselves from slavery are not nationalists necessarily and there is no nationalist insurgence in Scotland and I say this despite being nationalist  myself.
    They are simply Scots who do the ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL for their nation.
    Those who don't vote for freedom are fucking degenerate subs.

    Okay... but for me, nationalism is a good thing. And I say that there is a nationalist movement, nothing about insurgence. There is no violence in the movement.

    Or may be, did I misunderstand the concept of nationalism and insurgence ?
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:27 pm

    There is no insurgence in Scotland and in principle nationalism is against internal insurgences (rebellions) because loyalty to the rules of the state is essential for the nationalists.
    For example Svoboda's open rebellion against the elected Ukrainian president is not an act of a nationalist movement. I don't know what they claim they are but this is not adequate to the principles. Fighting against your own people is forbidden:


    Ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
    κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.

    Ō ksein', angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti tēide
    keimetha, tois keinōn rhēmasi peithomenoi.

    "Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by,
    That here, obedient to Spartan law, we lie."
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:43 pm

    Not really, nationalism requires the loyal to the nation, and after all, "nation" (民族) is different from "state" (國家) or "goverment" (政權).

    And I do not think it is accurate to describe the Scots patriots as "rebel". The independence movement in Scotland is very peaceful and has no violence.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:54 pm

    Not really, nationalism requires the loyal to the nation, and after all, "nation" (民族) is different from "state" (國家) or "goverment" (政權).

    Indeed. This is a little subtle.


    And I do not think it is accurate to describe the Scots patriots as "rebel". The independence movement in Scotland is very peaceful and has no violence.

    I said Scotland's case is perfectly clear, no doubt about that. I was not referring to pro-independents as rebels. To the contrary, I don't even classify them as nationalists.
    Indeed the term patriots should be the best one.

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