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    Bunker buster weapons

    Post  Vann7 on Thu 11 Sep 2014, 03:05

    I was reading that US was working in anti bunker weapons that could penetrate about 300 feet of solid rock or concrete to counter IRANIAN nuclear facilities.  Anyone knows if RUssia have anti bunker penetrating weapons that could do that without relying in brute force nuclear weapons?
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    Post  Mike E on Thu 11 Sep 2014, 03:26

    Vann7 wrote:

    I was reading that US was working in anti bunker weapons that could penetrate about 300 feet of solid rock or concrete to counter IRANIAN nuclear facilities.  Anyone knows if RUssia have anti bunker penetrating weapons that could do that without relying in brute force nuclear weapons?
    300 feet? That is impossible!
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu 11 Sep 2014, 03:56

    Vann7 wrote:

    I was reading that US was working in anti bunker weapons that could penetrate about 300 feet of solid rock or concrete to counter IRANIAN nuclear facilities.  Anyone knows if RUssia have anti bunker penetrating weapons that could do that without relying in brute force nuclear weapons?

    From what I heard those super bunker busters were actually tactical nuclear warheads, the irony is that the whole empty rhetoric about "we must stop Iran before they obtain a nuke" fails miserably when they advocate the use of nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear country, which never ceases to amaze me! Then again these are the same pathetic neo-cons who cry and whine about North Korea's very limited nuclear capability, only for it come out that Donald Rumsfeld sold '2' nuclear reactors to North Korea, and those same neo-cons would never hold one of their own accountable (Hell he was even promoted to the White house):

    http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/rumsfeld-was-on-abb-board-during-deal-with-north-korea/3176922
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    Post  Mike E on Thu 11 Sep 2014, 04:07

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    I was reading that US was working in anti bunker weapons that could penetrate about 300 feet of solid rock or concrete to counter IRANIAN nuclear facilities.  Anyone knows if RUssia have anti bunker penetrating weapons that could do that without relying in brute force nuclear weapons?

    From what I heard those super bunker busters were actually tactical nuclear warheads, the irony is that the whole empty rhetoric about "we must stop Iran before they obtain a nuke" fails miserably when they advocate the use of nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear country, which never ceases to amaze me! Then again these are the same pathetic neo-cons who cry and whine about North Korea's very limited nuclear capability, only for it come out that Donald Rumsfeld sold '2' nuclear reactors to North Korea, and those same neo-cons would never hold one of their own accountable (Hell he was even promoted to the White house):

    http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/rumsfeld-was-on-abb-board-during-deal-with-north-korea/3176922
    Very ironic... The worst part is that the general American public would probably support something like that!
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu 11 Sep 2014, 04:21

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    I was reading that US was working in anti bunker weapons that could penetrate about 300 feet of solid rock or concrete to counter IRANIAN nuclear facilities.  Anyone knows if RUssia have anti bunker penetrating weapons that could do that without relying in brute force nuclear weapons?

    From what I heard those super bunker busters were actually tactical nuclear warheads, the irony is that the whole empty rhetoric about "we must stop Iran before they obtain a nuke" fails miserably when they advocate the use of nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear country, which never ceases to amaze me! Then again these are the same pathetic neo-cons who cry and whine about North Korea's very limited nuclear capability, only for it come out that Donald Rumsfeld sold '2' nuclear reactors to North Korea, and those same neo-cons would never hold one of their own accountable (Hell he was even promoted to the White house):

    http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/rumsfeld-was-on-abb-board-during-deal-with-north-korea/3176922

    The entire US is ironic and hypocritical where ever you look.
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    Post  Mike E on Thu 11 Sep 2014, 21:07

    ...And they are too idiotic to know that....

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    Post  Vann7 on Thu 11 Sep 2014, 22:42

    Mike E wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    I was reading that US was working in anti bunker weapons that could penetrate about 300 feet of solid rock or concrete to counter IRANIAN nuclear facilities.  Anyone knows if RUssia have anti bunker penetrating weapons that could do that without relying in brute force nuclear weapons?
    300 feet? That is impossible!

    US already have bombs that can penetrate 200 feet.. GBU-57A/B

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator


    And as i said they were working in a bomb that could penetrate 300 feet .. You need big cargo planes like  B-52
    to carry such bombs. They are likely nuclear low level reaction they used to destroy the world trade center in 9/11 ALCIADA attacks.  I think the chemical reaction totally melts rock and reinforced concrete and steel. Of course Russia have no need for those weapons  ,they are happy enough with big nukes.. but was wondering if Russia had massive anti bunker weapons as heavy as that.
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu 11 Sep 2014, 23:05

    13.000 kg bomb... Russia does not neet 13.000kg and it does not even need to penetrate the bunker just drop it somehwere near an exist/entrance a FOAB that weights less and will vaporize every bacteria inside the bunker complex.
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    Post  Mike E on Fri 12 Sep 2014, 00:17

    Vann7 wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    I was reading that US was working in anti bunker weapons that could penetrate about 300 feet of solid rock or concrete to counter IRANIAN nuclear facilities.  Anyone knows if RUssia have anti bunker penetrating weapons that could do that without relying in brute force nuclear weapons?
    300 feet? That is impossible!

    US already have bombs that can penetrate 200 feet.. GBU-57A/B

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator


    And as i said they were working in a bomb that could penetrate 300 feet .. You need big cargo planes like  B-52
    to carry such bombs. They are likely nuclear low level reaction they used to destroy the world trade center in 9/11 ALCIADA attacks.  I think the chemical reaction totally melts rock and reinforced concrete and steel. Of course Russia have no need for those weapons  ,they are happy enough with big nukes.. but was wondering if Russia had massive anti bunker weapons as heavy as that.
    That is still a hundred feet deep short...

    They are too big to be used anyway! Friggin' 14,000 kg!
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    Post  GarryB on Fri 12 Sep 2014, 12:10

    The problem with these deep bunkers is not their depth, it is their precise location and layout.

    If I said I had an underground lair that is 200ft down a 300ft penetrator is only as useful as your accurate knowledge of where my bunker actually is.

    If standard bombs are useless under 300ft of granite then a 300ft miss to one side or the other will be equally useless even with a miracle 300ft penetrator.

    Now if you are bombing Chinese embassies, or trying to bring down cable cars or taking out Japanese fishing boats near Hawaii then I would have confidence in US military intelligence to get the job done.

    Even if they could pin point the target precisely flying such an enormous bomb to near that sort of target would enable the Iranians to set up a single TOR battery to hit the incoming penetrator and damage it to the point where it will likely just splatter on the surface, if not detonate mid air.... or at the very least have its control surfaces blown off and miss the target area by a wide margin... making it to all intents and purposes useless.... more so if it is nuclear...


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    Post  Mike E on Sat 13 Sep 2014, 00:36

    GarryB wrote:The problem with these deep bunkers is not their depth, it is their precise location and layout.

    If I said I had an underground lair that is 200ft down a 300ft penetrator is only as useful as your accurate knowledge of where my bunker actually is.

    If standard bombs are useless under 300ft of granite then a 300ft miss to one side or the other will be equally useless even with a miracle 300ft penetrator.

    Now if you are bombing Chinese embassies, or trying to bring down cable cars or taking out Japanese fishing boats near Hawaii then I would have confidence in US military intelligence to get the job done.

    Even if they could pin point the target precisely flying such an enormous bomb to near that sort of target would enable the Iranians to set up a single TOR battery to hit the incoming penetrator and damage it to the point where it will likely just splatter on the surface, if not detonate mid air.... or at the very least have its control surfaces blown off and miss the target area by a wide margin... making it to all intents and purposes useless.... more so if it is nuclear...
    Great point... Plus, added layers of "armor" (newer mixes of concrete and composite matrices etc.) combined with a naturally hard shape (triangles and domes) should fend off everything but a direct hit.
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    Post  George1 on Tue 03 Nov 2015, 15:10

    Russian Warplanes Use Bunker Buster Bombs in Airstrikes in Syria

    The Russian Aerospace Forces used two BETAB-500 bunker buster bombs in Tuesday's airstrikes against ISIL targets in Syria, a spokesman for the Aerospace Forces in Syria said.

    "Today, Russian strike aircraft used two BETAB-500 bunker buster bombs weighing 500 kilograms [over 1,000 pounds] each against ISIL targets [in Syria]," Col. Igor Klimov told journalists in Syria.

    Klimov said the bombs were delivered by Russian Su-24 Fencer attack jets.

    "BETAB-500 bombs are used to destroy extremely protected and fortified underground bunkers, they are not dropped on cities," Klimov noted.

    A wide range of missiles and bombs equipped with advanced guidance systems are currently being used by Russia in its air campaign against terrorists in Syria.

    The concrete-piercing BETAB-500 bombs are equipped with a jet booster, which allows the bombs to completely destroy any underground installation.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151103/1029523340/russia-bunker-buster-bombs.html#ixzz3qR0Zx6AZ





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