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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:58 am

    Here is says hermes use a combination of inertial guidance with terminal Semi-active lazer guidance and "Optronics".

    http://www.deagel.com/Anti-Armor-Weapons-and-Missiles/Hermes-A_a001878002.aspx



    Description: The Hermes is a modular, supersonic, bi-caliber, multi-purpose guided missile designed by Tula-based KBP for use by airborne, ground-based and sea-based platforms. The Hermes missile system consists of an expendable booster stage and the primary missile system, also known as sustainer, carrying a powerful high explosive (HE) fragmentation warhead. The spectrum of targets that can be engaged at day/night using the Hermes weapon system includes: armored vehicles, facilities, fortifications and low-speed air targets such as helicopters. The Hermes is sealed inside tube/canister which acts as the missile launcher.
    The Hermes-A is a long-range anti-armor/anti-low-speed aircraft missile designed for both rotary- and fixed-wing aircraft such as Ka-52 and Su-39 respectively. The missile is guided through the target area by the inertial navigation system (INS). Terminal guidance is provided by a semi-active laser seeker with the optronic system providing the target designation typically mounted on the aircraft. The Hermes-A has a maximum firing range of between 15 to 20 kilometers flying at an average speed of 500 mps. The missile's diameters are 170mm (booster) and 130mm (sustainer). The sustainer is carrying at least a 28 kg HE fragmentation warhead which can defeat existing and future main battle tanks. Two Hermes-A missiles can be fired against two different targets simultaneously. The missile also features improved resistance against countermeasures compared to existing anti-tank missiles.


    Optronics could mean optoelectronics.. if thats the case.. could be Sensors Optical devices integrated in the missile to compare target with an image .or it could work scanning electric signals.
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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:59 am

    Here is says hermes use a combination of inertial guidance with terminal Semi-active lazer guidance and "Optronics".

    The makers (KBP) describe the guidance as command guidance/inertial in the boost stage and homing in the terminal phase.

    Optronics is generally considered optical electronics that can include IR, Visible light (ie TV), and UV sensitive optical systems.

    Morfei is reported to be able to scan the target in IR and compare it with 3D IR models in its memory to ID target types.

    Brimstone is supposed to be able to do the same thing but with MMW radar frequencies.


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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  Zivo on Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:03 pm

    I wonder if there's any plans on making a lightweight ground based carrier  for the 20km Hermes-A. Israel has some designs based on the spike NLOS.

    The VDV would probably take interest in something like that.
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:21 am

    Zivo wrote:I wonder if there's any plans on making a lightweight ground based carrier  for the 20km Hermes-A. Israel has some designs based on the spike NLOS.

    The VDV would probably take interest in something like that.

    There's a pic of something like that in the first page of this thread.

    Looks a lot like a Pantsir vehicle actually, crossed with an MLRS.

    I wonder if the Hermes would be compatible with existing Pantsir installations or such launchers can be made compatible with only a modest upgrade.
    I seem to remember the Pantsirs as being specified to be able to use their missiles against ground-targets too if neccessary, although they didn't have the Hermes in mind. But electronically speaking, the capability should already be there.

    The Pantsirs could get a new role then. Ground-Air ass-kickers santa

    Those medium-range Pantsir vehicles with the extra tubes (forgot the name) look especially ripe for the role.

    Since the VDV's getting the Pantsir; they will be able to field the Hermes too.
    And of course I would assume that for the army, the Pantsirs will be mounted on Armata and Typhoon truck chassis, with perhaps a lightened version for the Kurganets and Bumerang chassis.
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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:59 am

    That 40 tube version looked a lot like Grad, but with a sensor radar thing that looked a lot like the system on the drawings reportedly showing Morfei...


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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  r111 on Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:07 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Zivo wrote:They're using the same terminal stage, and added a larger booster stage.

    What I don't understand, is that there's going to be an overlap in capability with other MLRS systems. What's the point in having multiple systems that do the same thing? HERMES-A is one hell of an ATGM, but compared to other MLRS, it's nothing special. Perhaps it would make a good export.


    Russia don't have lazer guided precision Artillery at 100km range.. the closest thing is
    Krasnopol with 30km range ,fired from artillery.  Their smerch rocket artillery have a 90km
    range ,but not sure about how its precision missiles works.. using drones or heat seeking..
    fire and forget ? i think those are.. things that you have not complete full control of where you want it to hit exactly in the end ,the target is chosen in the end by the onboard sensors ,so less control .  Perhaps Hermes is more ideal against heavy armored tanks ,while smerch is more ideal against enemy soldiers ,enemy artillery or light armored targets without active defenses. That is precision area attacks. while Hermes is more ideal for highly armored targets..

    MLRS were used, with _most_ spectacular results and accuracy, in UA conflict last summer.  Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHpBeQnj3Y
    Apocalypse-now-type-of-stuff. 18+

    Books will be written about that conflict one day. First truly massive use of $300 drones for recon & fire control.

    In war where neither side has control of the air, artillery/MLRS rule supreme.  Any gathering of troops, outposts can be hit with devastating accuracy from many kms away. If you lucky, u will see the 1-2 aiming rounds and have common sense to hit the deck/run.
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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:15 pm

    Some Hermes missile info in KBP page, although its only for "A" version

    http://www.kbptula.ru/en/kbp-instrument-design-bureau/150-english/en-production/multi-service-weapon-systems

    Performance specifications

    Maximum firing range, day/night ..... 15-20 km

    Guidance system
    Cruising trajectory stage ............... inertial or radio-command
    Terminal stage ............................ homing
    Guided missiles load .................... up to 16 pcs.


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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  Project Canada on Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:22 pm

    Is Hermes the future replacement for Ataka and Khrizantema?
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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:26 pm

    Yes and no.

    I suspect they will continue to use Ataka, Krisantema and Vikhr because they are relatively small, light and cheap yet effective and can be carried by a range of platforms from light to heavy in fairly large numbers.

    However for long range use against very heavy targets the Hermes will be very useful.

    So very simply if the target is 16km away and is a MBT then Hermes would be the weapon you launch, but if the target is a sniper in a room 5km away then Ataka or Krisantema or Vikhr would do the job much cheaper...

    Being lighter and being able to be carried in greater numbers favours the Ataka, Krisantema and Vikhr... with most platforms able to carry these weapons in clusters of 6-8 per pylon.

    The Hermes will likely be 4 weapons per pylon at most and for smaller lighter aircraft likely a twin or single tube per pylon.

    Obviously if the target is very well defended and heavily protected then Hermes offers a 30kg warhead and excellent stand off launch range.


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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  Austin on Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:29 am

    What is the status of Hermes program , Is it being funded ?
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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  Zivo on Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:25 pm

    I haven't heard anything recently regarding its status.
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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:43 pm

    Austin wrote:What is the status of Hermes program , Is it being funded ?
    I take it your asking in regards to that crap bitchfest from keypub forums with user Scar, right?

    Hermes exist but seems sidelined for whatever reason Since it is a true multipurpose weapon, hopefully will see light soon. As TR1 posted a photo from the video showing Hermes in factory.
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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:27 am

    Actually the unification of missile design of the Pantsir-S and Hermes would be rather interesting as the Pantsir-S missiles are very cheap command guided missiles but the option of having a Hermes truck stationed with the Pantsir battery with 100km range IIR or MMW radar guided missiles able to be fired and forgotten would be very interesting... especially against an enemy wanting to overwhelm a defence with lots of drones.... certanly a Hermes truck with 40 tubes ready to launch would be cheap to fill with command guided missiles...


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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  Mindstorm on Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:27 am


    «Гермес» missile (personal note : «Гермес-A») will be employed in Syria aboard Ka-52K.

    The selection of this very challenging and still in testing launching platform for the baptism of fire of the brand new weapon (a true hazard under most points of view.....) is very likely an attempt to capitalize at maiximum the enormous export potential for «Гермес-A» that the acquisition of an high number of Ka-52K by Egypt could generate in the international market.

    In particular the missile -surpassing ,even in the export version, several times the key characteristics of the best competitor's missiles in the same category worldwide - will offer not only to foreign Armies but also to foreign Navies the capability to destroy time fixed and time-sensible targets with pin point precision and from well outside range of any foreign SHORAD systems.


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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  xeno on Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:03 pm

    The original source is infamous Izvestia's report on 26th, October(http://izvestia.ru/news/640452)
    VPK simply and uncarefully quote the Izvestia's report on 27th, October.
    Russia won't test Hermes(a totally new system) on Ka-52K(a new platform) in Syria where Mi-35 and Mi-17 were shot down, at least in the near future.
    Please don't believe this report, Mindstorm.
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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:01 pm


    Didn't they mention Naval version of Hermes? It was supposed to be vertical launch version if I remember correctly.
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    Re: "Hermes" multi-purpose guided missile:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:16 am

    If it is vertically launched it would be interesting as it uses a big powerful solid rocket booster motor to give it rapid acceleration to rather high speed... 1,000-1,300m/s with the new booster motors and burn out in 2-3 seconds.

    That would mean that for vertical launch it would need to do the circus trick the TOR does where it is cold launched into the air and rockets at the nose and tail orient the missile in the required direction and then the main rocket is fired to accelerate the missile towards the direction of the target.

    Its high range of 30km suggests a near ballistic flight path so a high angle launch trajectory would also be a good thing in that direction... though being aimed at the target at launch would also allow much closer targets to be engaged too.


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    Post  Mindstorm on Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:46 am


    Concept of employment for the new ПТРК "Гермес".

    Obviously the central technical features around which the product was conceived were : engagement range, missile speed and integration in the unified battlespace management system for target positional update from third party multi-platforms.


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