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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  max steel on Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:15 pm

    'Suwalki Gap' key to NATO's eastern flank security

    Lakes, forest and villages dot the rolling hills along Poland's 65-kilometre (40-mile) stretch of border with Lithuania, but for NATO's top brass, this bucolic landscape gives cause for sleepless nights.

    Sandwiched between Russia's highly militarised Kaliningrad exclave and Belarus, strategists dub the idyllic stretch of countryside the Suwalki Gap.

    They warn it is the Achilles' heel of NATO's eastern flank: its capture would amputate the alliance's three Baltic members and so shatter its credibility.

    Fears that Russia could attempt an attack surged after Moscow's 2014 annexation of Crimea from Ukraine, a move which sent East-West relations to their lowest point since the Cold War.

    NATO's biggest ever war games in Eastern Europe -- June's Anaconda manoeuvres in Poland -- focused partly on defending the Gap, amid what one analyst dubbed "sophisticated" and "intimidating" exercises in Kaliningrad and Belarus.

    "Russia could take over the Baltic states faster than we would be able to defend them," the commander of US ground forces in Europe, General Ben Hodges, admitted to Germany's Die Zeit weekly.

    A Rand Corporation war games report issues the same stark warning: "The longest it has taken Russian forces to reach the outskirts of the Estonian and/or Latvian capitals of Tallinn and Riga, respectively, is 60 hours."

    John Deni, a research professor at the US Army War College Strategic Studies Institute, says the West's main concern "is that Russia would close" the Gap using a combination of ground forces from Kaliningrad and Belarus, or "air, tactical missile, or artillery assets based in Kaliningrad".

    Such moves "would likely lead to a broader war between Russia and the West," he warns.

    New arms race?

    Leaders at NATO's landmark summit in Warsaw on Thursday and Friday want to prevent that.

    As part of the largest alliance revamp since the Cold War, they are set to deploy four multinational battalions to the Baltic nations and Poland on a rotational basis.

    Dubbed NATO's "enhanced forward presence" and billed by the US-led alliance as part of a purely defensive "deter and dialogue" strategy, each battalion will have 600-1,000 troops.

    "Polish forces are well prepared to effectively defend it (Suwalki Gap), but of course there aren't enough of them, given Russia's full mobilisation. This is why (NATO) battle groups are necessary," Polish Defence Minister Antoni Macierewicz told foreign press in Warsaw days ahead of the summit.

    Macierewicz also said he was beefing up Polish forces in the area.Unconfirmed local media reports say Britain will lead a battalion in Estonia, Canada in Latvia, and Germany in Lithuania, while the US is expected to do so in Poland.

    "We have made a very clear link between the presence of the battle groups in Poland and in the Baltic states," Tomasz Szatkowski, Polish defence ministry undersecretary of state, also told foreign media in Warsaw.

    "Most likely, it (battle group in Poland) will be in the proximity of the Suwalki Gap, in a location that allows them to very quickly secure it."

    Separately, the Pentagon said in March it would deploy an additional armoured brigade of about 4,200 troops in eastern Europe from early 2017 on a rotational basis.

    Moscow fiercely opposes Western expansion in what it sees as its Soviet-era backyard and in 1997, NATO formally agreed not to install permanent bases in former Warsaw Pact states.

    The Kremlin has stepped up its presence in the Baltic Sea area and its jets frequently test the airspace of NATO allies such as Estonia.

    It plans to create three new divisions in its southwest region and deploy new arms to meet what it described as a dangerous military build-up along its western borders.

    'Cold War is history'


    Last week, Russian President Vladimir Putin accused NATO of tearing up the military balance in Europe and triggering a new arms race, although alliance chief Jens Stoltenberg has long insisted "the Cold War is history and we want it to stay that way".

    Poland's Szatkowski cast doubt on Putin's posturing, explaining that "the enhanced forward presence will not be something that by its own combat potential will be able to defend the whole theatre".

    "The bottom line is that it will significantly increase our security and reduce the probability of some unwanted incidents," he added.

    Minister Macierewicz also said non-members Finland and Sweden would attend the Warsaw summit to "deepen relations", something analysts note reinforces Baltic regional security.

    Macierewicz also signalled a "deepening of cooperation" between NATO and the EU with the inking of a "joint declaration and mutual support especially regarding hybrid threats."

    Poland plans to enrol volunteers in a 35,000-member paramilitary force intended to counter a perceived hybrid warfare threat from Russia.

    Russia's tactic is based on deception rather than a formal declaration of war, NATO strategists say.

    They suggest Russia used it to annex Crimea by covertly deploying unidentified troops and to engineer the pro-Moscow revolt in eastern Ukraine that followed.

    Warsaw will use these new "territorial defence forces" to expand its armed forces next year to 150,000 men from the current 100,000.
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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:09 pm

    This is a photo out of the Warsaw NATO conference. The interesting face is that of Erdogan, perhaps wondering what on earth he was doing with this bunch of children looking at toys in the sky.

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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  airstrike on Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:59 pm

    NATO-member Slovenia selling tanks and IFVs

    http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/05/slovenia-selling-tanks-and-ifvs/
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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  Militarov on Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:36 pm

    max steel wrote:To be fair Nordic Tank Challenge is more biased towards the Danish Army. In Strong Europe Tank Challenge, every country used their own equipment for which the crews were trained. In Nordic Tank Challenge this is not always the case: for example firing the service weapons of the crew is only done with the Danish rifle, which gives the Danish soldiers some benefit (they are trained with this rifle.)



    The M1A2 SEP v2, which is currently the most advanced version in US service didn't beat Italians only the Slovenian team in museum piece M84s (clone T72) ,with manual firecontrol, -+1 mil weapon stabilisation and 80's optics. Effectively US teams placed dead last Slovenian team in M84 beat them in most tasks but firing where M1A2SEP tech comes to light. The US team barely edged out T-72 monkeys(M84).


    One detail most overlooked ,wining german team was the only one of all participating teams not lead by an officer but by NCO and reservists

    Crews suck , they had issues with basic tank skills like camouflaging a vehicle in terrain.
    From Strong Europe Tank Challenge






    Detailed Score : http://www.mihalko-family.com/Canadian-Army-Trophy-Competition.htm#SETC

    "only the Slovenian team in museum piece M84s (clone T72) ,with manual firecontrol, -+1 mil weapon stabilisation and 80's optics. Effectively US teams placed dead last Slovenian team in M84 beat them in most tasks but firing where M1A2SEP tech comes to light. The US team barely edged out T-72 monkeys(M84)."

    Actually M84/A does not have manual FCS like T72M, there are almost 1000 improvements over original imported T72s, so they have fully stabilised and integrated FCS produced by Rudi Cajavec with some components provided by Zrak, Ei, Teleoptik, Iskra and Prva Petoletka, only type of ammunition and temperature of the propellant can be entered manually. Slovenians replaced theirs tho with domestic Slovenian Fotona built FCS when original spares became a problem post war.

    Original FCS consists of: Control unit DNNS-2, command unit KBN, main computer with command unit KBN with 2 Motorola MC6802 CPUs, meteorological sensor on the turret, gyroscope, laser rangefinder, traversing speed finder etc etc...

    At the time of introduction M84A had one of the best fire control systems in the world, its worth mentioning tho that Yugoslavia cooperated on this project with Bofors in late 70s.

    Not all but majority of information about its FCS you can find here http://www.srpskioklop.paluba.info/m84/opis.htm



    Here you can see almost complete M84 FCS in parts taken out from the tank for repair, video is from Kuwait, mid 90s.
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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:21 pm

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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  Militarov on Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:09 am

    "56 cases of cigarettes and 1,000 liters of alcohol were found onboard the Estonian minehunter Sakala, which is taking part in NATO operations in the Baltic Sea. The ship’s commander has taken full responsibility and handed in his resignation."

    Source: https://www.rt.com/news/367985-estonian-nato-smuggling-resign/
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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  max steel on Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:40 pm

    How Useless Is NATO? So Useless That Four NATO Members Would Pick Russia to Defend Them If Attacked


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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  Godric on Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:48 pm

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-referendum-nicola-sturgeon-nato-membership-independent-scotland-a7627481.html

    seriously i don't want my country to have any part of a organisation that used neo nazis to topple the democratically elected president of Ukraine and it will mean Nato will lose control over large area of the North Atlantic ... i can just see it now: "the only way Scotland can become a member of Nato is by allowing the rUK to base it's nuclear deterrent at faslane" ... how do you think that will go ..... along the lines of p*ss/f*ck off!!

    who knows we could offer the Russian Federation a naval base on the west coast of Scotland as a two fingered salute to NATO




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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:49 am

    Montenegro becomes 29th NATO member state

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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:23 pm

    Munitions theft from an army engineering regiment base in Portugal

    The burglary is thought to have taken place at night at a part of the security perimeter where closed-circuit cameras had been broken for over two years.

    The Portuguese defence minister initially described the raid as "serious" but the size of the missing arsenal only emerged when El Español (in Spanish) published what it said was a list of the stolen armaments. Among the weapons taken were:

    1,450 9mm ammunition cartridges
    150 hand grenades
    44 anti-tank grenades
    18 tear gas grenades
    102 explosive charges
    264 pieces of plastic explosive


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40479221?ocid=socialflow_twitter
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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:12 am

    Of course stealing munitions is easy during exercises... who knows how much HE is in that charge, or how many live rounds you have actually fired.
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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:31 am

    GarryB wrote:Of course stealing munitions is easy during exercises... who knows how much HE is in that charge, or how many live rounds you have actually fired.
    Agreed, but this wasn't an exercise, this was a munitions store.
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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

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    NATO military exercices

    Post  Isos on Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:37 am

    I found this about the strong europe tank challenge.

    1st place - Germany, The 3rd Panzer Battalion (Leopard 2A6) 1450 points
    2nd place - Sweden, Wartofta Tank Company, Skaraborg Regiment (Stridsvagn 122) 1411 points
    3rd place - Austria, 6th Tank Company, 14th Panzer Battalion (Leopard 2A4) 1321 points
    4th place - France, 1er Régiment de Chasseurs, 1st Hunter Regiment (AMX-56 Leclerc) 1186 points
    5th place - Poland, 34th Armoured Cavalry Brigade (Leopard 2A5) 1151 points
    6th place - United Kingdom, Queen’s Royal Hussars (Challenger II) 1140 points
    7th place - USA, 2nd Battalion, 70th Armored Regiment, 2nd Armored Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division (M1A2 SEP) 1100 points
    8th place - Ukraine, 1st Tank Company, 14th Mechanized Brigade (T-84U) 950 points
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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  Isos on Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:55 pm

    https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/eurosatory-2018-franco-german-industry-unveils-new/

    New eurotank concept for export only. Leclerc turret on leopard 2 chassis build by franco-german KNDS.

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