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    JohninMK

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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:09 pm

    This is a photo out of the Warsaw NATO conference. The interesting face is that of Erdogan, perhaps wondering what on earth he was doing with this bunch of children looking at toys in the sky.

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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  airstrike on Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:59 pm

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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  Militarov on Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:36 pm

    max steel wrote:To be fair Nordic Tank Challenge is more biased towards the Danish Army. In Strong Europe Tank Challenge, every country used their own equipment for which the crews were trained. In Nordic Tank Challenge this is not always the case: for example firing the service weapons of the crew is only done with the Danish rifle, which gives the Danish soldiers some benefit (they are trained with this rifle.)



    The M1A2 SEP v2, which is currently the most advanced version in US service didn't beat Italians only the Slovenian team in museum piece M84s (clone T72) ,with manual firecontrol, -+1 mil weapon stabilisation and 80's optics. Effectively US teams placed dead last Slovenian team in M84 beat them in most tasks but firing where M1A2SEP tech comes to light. The US team barely edged out T-72 monkeys(M84).


    One detail most overlooked ,wining german team was the only one of all participating teams not lead by an officer but by NCO and reservists

    Crews suck , they had issues with basic tank skills like camouflaging a vehicle in terrain.
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    Detailed Score : http://www.mihalko-family.com/Canadian-Army-Trophy-Competition.htm#SETC

    "only the Slovenian team in museum piece M84s (clone T72) ,with manual firecontrol, -+1 mil weapon stabilisation and 80's optics. Effectively US teams placed dead last Slovenian team in M84 beat them in most tasks but firing where M1A2SEP tech comes to light. The US team barely edged out T-72 monkeys(M84)."

    Actually M84/A does not have manual FCS like T72M, there are almost 1000 improvements over original imported T72s, so they have fully stabilised and integrated FCS produced by Rudi Cajavec with some components provided by Zrak, Ei, Teleoptik, Iskra and Prva Petoletka, only type of ammunition and temperature of the propellant can be entered manually. Slovenians replaced theirs tho with domestic Slovenian Fotona built FCS when original spares became a problem post war.

    Original FCS consists of: Control unit DNNS-2, command unit KBN, main computer with command unit KBN with 2 Motorola MC6802 CPUs, meteorological sensor on the turret, gyroscope, laser rangefinder, traversing speed finder etc etc...

    At the time of introduction M84A had one of the best fire control systems in the world, its worth mentioning tho that Yugoslavia cooperated on this project with Bofors in late 70s.

    Not all but majority of information about its FCS you can find here http://www.srpskioklop.paluba.info/m84/opis.htm



    Here you can see almost complete M84 FCS in parts taken out from the tank for repair, video is from Kuwait, mid 90s.

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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:21 pm

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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  Militarov on Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:09 am

    "56 cases of cigarettes and 1,000 liters of alcohol were found onboard the Estonian minehunter Sakala, which is taking part in NATO operations in the Baltic Sea. The ship’s commander has taken full responsibility and handed in his resignation."

    Source: https://www.rt.com/news/367985-estonian-nato-smuggling-resign/
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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  max steel on Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:40 pm

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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  Godric on Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:48 pm

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-referendum-nicola-sturgeon-nato-membership-independent-scotland-a7627481.html

    seriously i don't want my country to have any part of a organisation that used neo nazis to topple the democratically elected president of Ukraine and it will mean Nato will lose control over large area of the North Atlantic ... i can just see it now: "the only way Scotland can become a member of Nato is by allowing the rUK to base it's nuclear deterrent at faslane" ... how do you think that will go ..... along the lines of p*ss/f*ck off!!

    who knows we could offer the Russian Federation a naval base on the west coast of Scotland as a two fingered salute to NATO




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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:49 am

    Montenegro becomes 29th NATO member state

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    http://tass.com/world/949954


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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:23 pm

    Munitions theft from an army engineering regiment base in Portugal

    The burglary is thought to have taken place at night at a part of the security perimeter where closed-circuit cameras had been broken for over two years.

    The Portuguese defence minister initially described the raid as "serious" but the size of the missing arsenal only emerged when El Español (in Spanish) published what it said was a list of the stolen armaments. Among the weapons taken were:

    1,450 9mm ammunition cartridges
    150 hand grenades
    44 anti-tank grenades
    18 tear gas grenades
    102 explosive charges
    264 pieces of plastic explosive


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40479221?ocid=socialflow_twitter
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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:12 am

    Of course stealing munitions is easy during exercises... who knows how much HE is in that charge, or how many live rounds you have actually fired.


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    Re: NATO: Discussion and News

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:31 am

    GarryB wrote:Of course stealing munitions is easy during exercises... who knows how much HE is in that charge, or how many live rounds you have actually fired.
    Agreed, but this wasn't an exercise, this was a munitions store.

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