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    The myth of the precision bombing

    Post  nemrod on Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:16 pm

    I think this subject could be considered as an annex of syrian and iraqian civil war. My purpose is to demonstrate that the war against DAESH's gang terrorists seems to be definitly lost. Americans as usual swaggered in front of their CNN, Fox inside aircraft carrier where EF-18 take off. But, the impact against terrorists is near zero. As you could read, during Iraq war, what a surprise to discover that, the only target which was destroyed was a huge factory that produced nuclear device, after at least 2 weeks of intense bombing -if US say truth-. What a surprise to note that, against serbian army, in spite of the half of the planet behind US, a small parts of serbian army was lost, hence most of the serbian army were intact, as it was for Iraq, until the retreat of Kuwait. U will have to notice even Tomahawk had a low rate of sucess, as many Tomahawk cruise missiles were downed by iraqi anti aircraft artillerie, as it was in Serbia. Now, US are bombing DAESH, after six months of air campaign it is reasonnable to say it is a complete faillure.

    What could we do now against DAESH terrorists ?
    PS: U could easily notice that even the JDAM bombs are useless too.


    https://defenseissues.wordpress.com/2013/01/19/the-myth-of-the-precision-bombing/

    The myth of the precision bombing
    Many people believe that modern guided (dubbed “smart”) weapons allow for pinpoint precision from very large distance, such as allowing fast high-flying aircraft to carry out Close Air Support, or to engage targets in urban environments.

    Baloney.

    In NATO missions in Libya, carried out to “support” anti-Gadaffi rebels, have killed or wounded multiple civilians and rebel troops. It is nothing new – as noted in the article, up to 25 – 80 % of casualties in wars have been caused by friendly fire (this also shows why BVR combat is unlikely to become prevalent form of air combat, as potential for misidentification is far greater). Visual ID has time and again proven itself as only somewhat reliable type of identifying targets, and even it is not perfect. As such, fast jets are completely incapable of identifying targets. WW2 Stuka pilot, Colonel Hans Rudel, has stated that “high speeds are a poison for finding tanks” – and that was in flat Ukraine, flying an aircraft far slower than modern jets. Army Sgt. First Class Frank Antenori has stated same thing.

    In fact, due to lack of A-10s, F-15Es have on multiple occasions found themselves using their guns to strafe targets in Afghanistan. While they were mostly successfull, end result was longer time required and less successfull mission than what would have been with A-10s. A-10 also has very long loiter time, which means that – unlike “multirole” jets – it can be on station hour after hour, providing permanent presence and near-immediate answer to any CAS request.

    Furthermore, units are equipped with limited number of radios, making identification difficult. While low-flying UAV’s can be used to identify targets, such usage is dependant on lack of any serious air defenses as well as presence of secure uplinks.

    But even when targets are identified, precision weapons’ performance is nothing stellar – unless killing civilians is considered, where casualties have increased from WW2-standard of 9 tons of bombs per civilian killed to 200 civillians per one bomb, and drones’ effectiveness of 6 civillians per attack. This shows that, for precision weapons to be used correctly, either aircraft must be slow enough and low enough for pilot to use binoculars for identification, or identification must be done by troops on the ground.

    Precision weapons have to have their points of impact calculated. Result was that, even with fast jets in the air, it took anywhere from 26 minutes to several hours for munitions to be finally delivered.

    Guided munitions are also only effective against fixed targets. But against mobile targets, low-speed low-altitude attacks with cannon or unguided munitions are required to achieve any kind of effect, rendering DAS (Distant Air Support) ineffective. As such, laser designators have to be complemented with smoke grenades and marker baloons. JDAMs are not terminally guided, and as such are very likely to go astray.

    While satellite surveillance is avaliable, it is very-long-distance, and as result it does not offer good target-recognition capabilities – to satellites and high-flying aircraft, cardboard decoys are indiscernible from actual targets, and it takes 18 hours for strike to arrive. UAV surveillance, on the other hand, is insufficient, whereas UCAVs can only attack fixed targets.

    And problem sometimes isn’t too few data – it is too much data displayed to the pilot, overloading him and distracting him from the mission, as well as increasing time required for “observation” in OODA loop.

    There are problems with munitions themselves too – further away bomb is dropped from, greater error becomes. On release, bombs often bump into each other – and sometimes aircraft too – causing fins to get bended and thus reducing accuracy. This is problem that only increases with increasing speeds, due to stronger turbulences. GPS weapons’ guidance systems also often malfunction, with bombs hitting miles off the target. A laser-guided bomb, meanwhile, can be thrown off course by a laser beam guding it being disturbed by a debris or simply by smoke, dust, clouds or highly humid environment, thus causing bomb to go ballistic.

    During Operation Desert Storm, at most 60% of bombs have achieved hits on targets, and many misses were off by hundreds of meters. In fact, success rate could have been as low as 41%. While officials have said that strategic targets will be destroyed in 10 days, it took two weeks to destroy nuclear weapons factories – and all other targets have only been damaged, not destroyed. Out of 15 SAM batteries attacked by low-flying F-117s in Baghdad at first night, 13 continued to operate. All Coalition aircraft hit only 21 of 37 “crucial” targets. It also took between 4 and 10 laser-guided bombs to destroy targets such as bridges – similar to success rate of dive bombers against aircraft carriers during Pacific war.

    In Kosovo War, only 58 successfull strikes have been made by USAF out of 750 attacks, destroying 14 tanks, 18 APCs and 20 artillery pieces. Out of 80 SAM batteries, 3 were destroyed. That can be compared to USAF claims of 120 tanks, 220 APCs and 450 artillery pieces destroyed. Chinese Embassy was also bombed, which was a repetition of President Reagan’s raid on Libya, when French embassy was bombed by “precision” weapons. Civilian casualties were one for every 10 tons of bombs, very close to WW2 rates. In Vietnam, casualties were one for every 12,5 tons of bombs. UK’s bombing accuracy with smart bombs was 40%.

    In Afganistan, 2001, B-52 dropped precision ordnance around 100 meters from US Special Forces team, killing three US soldiers and five Afghan government soldiers. Other than several such incidents, however, war has been a positive example of USAF integrating more with the Army. Still, errors cannot be done away with, and problem gets worse faster the jet flies.

    During 2003 invasion, US “precision” weapons have managed to miss Iraq entirely, falling into Turkey and Iran (at least US heavy bombers in WW2 never missed the country, though they did occasionally miss the city in entirety). Civilian objects, including hospitals, were consistently hit, and 2003 precision bombing has been more deadly than 1991 bombing which was done mostly by “dumb” bombs – killing 1350 civilians per 10 000 tons of bombs, as opposed to 400 civilians per 10 000 tons. This can in part be attributed to pilots dropping bombs from greater altitude due to the belief that part of targeting can be taken over by the projectile itself. Ballistic missiles did not fare much better, with only one-third hitting targets, one-third failling to detonate and one-third missing alltogether. It also happened on Balkans, when NATO bomb intended for Serbia fell in Sofia, Bulgaria. Accuracy of bombs against radar sites was 32%.

    What is important to realize is that many of described attacks have taken place at low altitude – inly in Serbia did bombardment come, as a rule, from high altitude due to altitude limits placed, which means that it could be considered most indicative for high-altitude bombardment success rate. But even when bomb or missile does hit the target, debris from 1-ton bomb can cause casualties hundreds of meters from the impact point; radius for a 2-ton bomb can extend to a thousand meters. In fact, while 450-kg GPS bomb has CEP of 12 meters, blast damage extends to 30 meters and fragmentation damage extends to 900 meters. Area of effect is calculated by cube root of yield, so 227 kg weapon would still cause blast damage to 24 meters and fragmentation damage to 716 meters. As such, precision munitions are completely unsuited for CAS roles as well as operations in urban areas or areas where there might be civilians present. Furthermore, due to the expensive guidance systems, trend is for precision munitions to have higher yield than “dumb” counterparts, increasing the problem.

    UCAVs used for assassinating terrorist leaders are especially problematic. Of 700 people killed by UCAVs in Pakistan, only 14 have been Taliban, which is mostly connected to unreliable intelligence and careless approach.

    While some say that low-and-slow-flying CAS aircraft are vulnerable to being shot down, aircraft is just as safe from SAMs and MANPADS below 30 meters as it is above 3 000 meters. It is in-between these two values that trouble occurs. While average infantry division has large number of automatic weapons, most of these are small-calibre and thus only suited for engaging typical fighters (F-15, F-35) and not armored ground attack aircraft such as A-10 or Su-25 which can survive even direct hits by full-sized SAMs in good portion of cases – 50% in case of the A-10. In reality, real threat for CAS aircraft are enemy fighter aircraft, although the mere fact that CAS aircraft fly very low might make job difficult for radar-guided missiles. On the other hand, large aircraft such as AC-130 Spectre are vulnerable, can only be used at night. and have more limited capability for providing effective CAS. In Gulf War, only the tough A-10 and very fast Tornado operated at low altitudes due to persistent threat from optically-aimed AAA and IR MANPADS. Unlike other aircraft, both these types proved survivable in the environment.

    Since precision weapons are tested in deserts, in fair weather (without anything that might impede bombs) and against static targets, official claims about their actual precision can be disregarded – they are equally faulty and based on equally flawed assumptions as pre-Vietnam claims of 90% accuracy for BVR missiles, which has turned out to be around 8% in combat.

    Precision bombing myth is also nothing new. Norden sight for B-17 was claimed to be able to “put bomb into a pickle-barrell from 20.000 feet”. In the end, entire city blocks were levelled when bombers attacked specific targets, with bombs falling hundreds of meters off the target.

    Conclusion? While guided munitions can be and are helpful, they are not magic, and aircraft still have to go very low and very slow – until pilots can see target through the canopy – in order to reliably hit tactical targets. Old-fashioned cannons are still most precise weapons in arsenal, when used well; and while precision munitions certainly can be useful, their main usefulness is not so much in increasing range from which attacks are made as in allowing pilot to spend least time possible “on target” and concentrate on evading enemy AA fire.

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    Re: ISIL/ISIS General Discussion Thread

    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:01 am

    US Ally in Libya Joins ISIL and Leads Its Forces in the Country - Reports

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    Re: ISIL/ISIS General Discussion Thread

    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:03 am

    Secret services find confirmation to contacts between IS and North Caucasus terrorists

    This information will be taken into account when decisions on consolidating Russia’s national security and protection of its national interests are taken, the secretary of Security Council says


    MOSCOW, March 4. /TASS/. Secret services have found confirmation to the data on incipient contacts between Islamic State and the terrorists operating in North Caucasus, the secretary of Russia’s Security Council, Nikolay Patrushev told reporters on Wednesday.

    "The data on the rising contacts between Islamic State and the terrorist groupings in North Caucasus has received confirmation," he said. "This information will be taken into account when decisions on consolidating Russia’s national security and protection of its national interests are taken."

    Patrushev recalled Moscow’s principled position that there could be no dividing the terrorists into "bad" or "good" ones.

    "Struggle with this evil should be conducted in strict compliance with international norms and decisions of the UN Security Council," he said.

    Patrushev voiced concern over the expansion of the area controlled by militants in Libya and the start of mass executions there.

    "Intensification of terrorism in other parts of the world isn’t ruled out either," he said.

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    Re: ISIL/ISIS General Discussion Thread

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:39 pm

    ISIL's Next Goal: Take Over Saudi Arabia

    Saudi Arabia is next in the crosshairs of the self-proclaimed Islamic State (IS), according to one Washington DC think tank.

    IS has gone farther than other extremist groups, including al-Qaeda, in its ability to expand into territories and win and keep the support of its sympathizers. It has support throughout the Middle East and elsewhere, and doesn’t look like it’s going to slow down anytime soon – and that’s where Saudi Arabia comes in, according to the Jamestown Foundation.

    “In addition to confronting the incumbent regimes in Iraq and Syria and rival militants and insurgents, the Islamic State has an ambitious set of goals that include challenging Saudi Arabia,” the Foundation says.

    IS, it adds, is behaving in a more aggressive manner toward Saudi Arabia.
    Sanders urged the anti-ISIL Muslim nations to lead the fight “for the soul of Islam,” and said that Western nations, including the United States, should be supportive of such efforts

    In an audio statement released last fall, the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi talked of expanding into the “lands of al-Haramein” (two holy places), refusing even to call it by the name Saudi Arabia because IS considers the Saudi royal family unworthy of any recognition. Al-Baghdadi instead highlights Islam’s two holiest sites — Mecca and Medina, and proclaims the appointment of regional governors to represent IS — calling on followers in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere to recognize and follow their leadership.

    Al-Baghdadi also issued a call to arms, telling Saudis to attack the country and “their soldiers.”

    The IS leader holds Saudi Arabia in such low regard that he calls the country al-Saloul, a derogatory reference to the al-Saud family, and he implored his followers to attack the country’s substantial minority of Shi’a Muslims, adding that the IS flag will soon “fly over Mecca and Medina.”

    It’s not just idle talk, as a group of militants in January infiltrated a northeast Saudi Arabian town and got into a skirmish with the border police. The attackers included a suicide bomber who detonated his vest while surrendering to a Saudi security officer, killing himself and the officer.

    IS ostensibly holds such animosity towards Saudi Arabia because they consider the Saudi government to be corrupt and in bed with the US, which the group says is hell bent on controlling the Arab and Islamic world.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20150309/1019274441.html#ixzz3TzB9QQBn

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    Re: ISIL/ISIS General Discussion Thread

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:09 pm

    Russia, UN: ISIL Gains Ground in Afghanistan

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    Re: ISIL/ISIS General Discussion Thread

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:56 pm

    Is ISIS going to enter Central Asia?

    We have been reading reports in the press recently of young Muslims in the North Caucuses and from Central Asia itself joining ISIS, and even of a possible spring ISIS offensive against Tajikistan.

    How much truth is in these reports, and if a war should break out, who will counter ISIS? Joining me, John Harrison to be talk about these issues is Dr Theodore Karasik, a Dubai-based geopolitical analyst.

    Q: Is it likely that ISIS will actually enter Central Asia or not?

    TK: I think within the Islamic State plans they seek to enter Central Asia sooner rather than later. The evidence of that is they have hundreds of fighters from the Northern Caucasus and the Central Asian States who have firmly undergone training in the Levant. On top of that they have other cells that are formed in Northern Afghanistan who intend to target Tajikistan and Kazakhstan as well as Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.

    Q: That’s pretty frightening scenario you are painting. Now, on the other hand, I understand that Central Asian republics are Muslims, you know, people do believe in Allah. Why on earth should ISIS enter Central Asia? Who are they going to fight against when 95% of the population is Islam?

    TK: You have to understand that the Islam that is practiced in Central Asia is off course one of the Sunni variants. However it’s been modified through Russian history as well as local culture and customs. With the radicalization process that dash up, if you will, or Islamic State members go through, they tend to particular ideas in terms of fighting extremism that are evenly spread in communities in central Asia for those people who are outside of government control, in other words people in rural areas and perhaps in certain suburbs or mayor cities are susceptible to these kind of ideas.

    Q: And as in Tajikistan and probably I don’t know about Uzbekistan but definitely Turkmenistan and I think that there are quite a large amount of areas which are rather government-controlled, right?

    TK: In a sense yes, we have to remember that ever since the Soviet Union broke up, two decades plus ago, that Central Asia has been evolving itself in the sense of governance, army, and so on, and we’ve seen a number of outbreaks of violence that were all ethnically based or clan-based if you will. We’ve also had incidents of Islamic terrorism and that label was given to some of these incidents because the perpetrators happened to be Muslims. Now we’ve entered into a new dimension were there are this areas were Islamic State can gain a threshold because the Islamic State represents an alternative government and economic model that people like, because their lives can improve and they get higher salaries under this economic ideas.

    Q: And that’s very attractive in an area of an average income of two or three hundred dollars a month, and very serious environmental problems particularly in Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan I understand.

    TK: Yes, that’s correct. You have to remember that in the southern part of Kyrgyzstan and also in the mountain parts of the eastern part of Tajikistan, these locations have always been notorious if you will for being outside of government control or areas that we would call, in the western sense, rebels against the capitals of Bishkek or Dushanbe. These are areas that Al Qaeda and dash try to penetrate before and that was demonstrated in recent history by the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan.

    Q: And I guess that’s the important thing: breaking people from a clan-based system, I mean, for westerners we think that things aren’t going so well in Central Asia because of repression and not very much freedom of speech and so on. But in fact, people’s consciousness is not really there, is in a different place is much to do with the clan-background or clan-warfare.

    TK: Ever even before the Soviet Union seized to exist, in Central Asia clans always mattered and so still to this day you see it, in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and the other Central Asian states, and the clans are all based on region, and these clans occupied various ministries or security organs. The revolutions that we’ve seen in Kyrgyzstan are all between the various clans in the north and south fighting over power. The clan identity is very, very strong, is the main driver of the societies, but at the same time those tribes are been influenced by outside pressures and those that find themselves outside of this system of ethos are susceptible to Islamic State teaching.

    Q: Let’s just dedicate to talking about the worse possible scenario. If large scale violence should break out, and lot of people is saying the Iraqi and Syrian scenarios is impossible for Central Asia, but let’s just say it happens. Who is going to counter this? Who is going to come in, China? Russia? US? EU? Iran? Turkey? Do you know?

    TK: I think that what we’ve witnessed in an inner region with the formation of coalition led by a particular country, for example what the US would call a coalition in the Levant and in the Saudi a coalition against the Huthies in Yemen, I would likely see the formation of a SCO coalition to try to take back control of the area within the central Asian states were a Caliphate appendix may appear but it also involve counter-terrorism, special operations on the ground near from the country in question or from the SCO as an organization. I’d not see America involved in a counter-terrorism operation in Central Asia, since Russia and China’s backyard, the de-facto intruders is their responsibility.

    Q: OK, you mentioned the SCO, but what about what about the other organizations, like the CSTO, a defense alliance which formed out of the previous CIS arrangement?

    TK: Right, this organization will also be involved but is actually the SCO that has more of the meaning edge if you will, in terms of their organized training, and equipping capability. The CSTO is indeed a collective military organization. It has flam peace, but the SCO has more bites. I think that when it comes to an issue such as having the Islamic State in Central Asia.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/radio_brave_new_world/20150417/1021011506.html#ixzz3XZR6BXAK

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    ISIS has no interest in capturing Mecca, I wonder why...

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu May 21, 2015 5:06 am

    Let's think about this clearly, ISIS really only attacks predominately Shia countries, including Iraq....Iraq shares a border with Saudi Arabia...Saudi Arabia is where the holiest monument in Islam is located...which is called Mecca...why isn't there any recorded attacks on Saudi soil?....Are were supposed to believe that ISIS/ISIL/Daesh which claims they're the new Islamist caliphate, but refuses to attempt to capture Mecca as part of that caliphate???

    As time passes on, it will become more and more clear what ISIS/ISIL/Daesh's true purpose is!!!

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    Re: ISIL/ISIS General Discussion Thread

    Post  Werewolf on Thu May 21, 2015 10:43 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Let's think about this clearly, ISIS really only attacks predominately Shia countries, including Iraq....Iraq shares a border with Saudi Arabia...Saudi Arabia is where the holiest monument in Islam is located...which is called Mecca...why isn't there any recorded attacks on Saudi soil?....Are were supposed to believe that ISIS/ISIL/Daesh which claims they're the new Islamist caliphate, but refuses to attempt to capture Mecca as part of that caliphate???

    As time passes on, it will become more and more clear what ISIS/ISIL/Daesh's true purpose is!!!

    No one with more than one braincell believes this nonsense of Islamists being or fighting for islam, if that would be the case there would be no distingtive pattern of those US/Israel and their Saudi,Kuwait, Jordanian, Turkish and UAE financed terrorists only following to destroy or destabilize countries that do not have the western protection of human rights abuses accusations only countries that are not IMF and US or Israels slaves are attacked, Gaddafi tried to install a prosperous and independend Gold standard the Gold Dinar and he suddenly had to be democratized, no one mentions the black op snipers that were shooting into protestor crowds and on government forces and security, the exact same scenario like in Venezuela and recently in Ukraine, the same crap now in Macedonia and next will be either Kazakhstan or Belarus, they certainly trying to ingite a two front war against russia.

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    Re: ISIL/ISIS General Discussion Thread

    Post  George1 on Fri May 22, 2015 12:50 pm

    ISIL Takes Control of Muammar Gaddafi’s Hometown in Libya

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150522/1022439286.html#ixzz3araB7Zbm

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    Re: ISIL/ISIS General Discussion Thread

    Post  higurashihougi on Sat May 23, 2015 12:14 pm

    ISIS just play too much CnC General or there is something fishy here ?

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150523/1022481189.html

    Islamic State Says Could Obtain Nuclear Bomb in Less Than 12 Months

    BTW

    http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20150522/1022449251.html

    ISIL Cannot Be Defeated Without Russia's Help - Israeli Publicist

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat May 23, 2015 1:56 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:ISIS just play too much CnC General or there is something fishy here ?

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150523/1022481189.html

    Islamic State Says Could Obtain Nuclear Bomb in Less Than 12 Months

    BTW

    http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20150522/1022449251.html

    ISIL Cannot Be Defeated Without Russia's Help - Israeli Publicist


    There you have it, US/Israel is the PR department of their little incestuous child ISIS are fearmongering with ISIS getting a nuke which can only be acquired over NATO countries or Israel, Iran has non, North Korea is not the wests bitch, China and russia neither.

    And Israel trying to lure Russia into its incestuous terrorist group ISIS to weaken it further.

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    Re: ISIL/ISIS General Discussion Thread

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sun May 24, 2015 12:34 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:ISIS just play too much CnC General or there is something fishy here ?

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150523/1022481189.html

    Islamic State Says Could Obtain Nuclear Bomb in Less Than 12 Months

    BTW

    http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20150522/1022449251.html

    ISIL Cannot Be Defeated Without Russia's Help - Israeli Publicist

    Definitely too much C&C Generals. They'll say they're heading over to Baikonur next to just casually pop off a few nukes/bio weapons on Soyuz rockets.

    I could obtain a nuclear bomb within twelve months, doesn't mean I will. It's just scaremongering idiocy.

    As for Russia's help in defeating IS/ISIS/ISIL/Taliban/Al Qaeda/Mujahideen... yeah well, good luck with that.

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    Re: ISIL/ISIS General Discussion Thread

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu May 28, 2015 7:00 pm

    Saudi Arabia is 'biggest funder of terrorists'

    I wish they were saying this 20-30 years ago, instead of parroting U.S. State Dept. 'black' propaganda:


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    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:54 am

    Uzbekistan calls for creating UN commission on Islamic State problem


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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:52 am

    Moon light NASA studios productions does it again.. another video of "ISIS" did not pass
    the bullshit test.

    Did anyone remember the Japanese hostages by "ISIS?"  Wink




    This is not the only one.. it happens to be that many of this Orange suit executions
    are actual McAIN staff + CIA studios production.. the next video was hacked/captured
    from the laptop of a MCAIN staff.. i think this one was the american "hostage" video..



    This is how the American Imperialism manipulate public Opinion ,to justify wars..
    they did that in Syria ,with the chemical weapons attack.. the children in the video
    of the chemical attack in Damascus.. were kidnapped from their parents in Latakia city ,by Obama sponsored terrorist that he calls "freedom fighters" .

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    Post  Zivo on Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:41 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Moon light NASA studios productions does it again.. another video of "ISIS" did not pass
    the bullshit test.

    Did anyone remember the Japanese hostages by "ISIS?"  Wink




    This is not the only one.. it happens to be that many of this Orange suit executions
    are actual McAIN staff + CIA studios production.. the next video was hacked/captured
    from the laptop of a MCAIN staff.. i think this one was the american "hostage" video..



    This is how the American Imperialism manipulate public Opinion ,to justify wars..
    they did that in Syria ,with the chemical weapons attack.. the children in the video
    of the chemical attack in Damascus.. were kidnapped from their parents in Latakia city ,by Obama sponsored terrorist that he calls "freedom fighters" .

    The actor's movements in the second video do not match the movements of the Foley video, despite being similar. Watch them both side by side if you don't believe me.

    Either it's an elaborate fake, or it wasn't the take selected for public release. Either way, it's not the smoking gun.

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    Moon light NASA studios productions does it again

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:03 pm

    What is then the smoking gun when Obombo the ape comes out and tells the world they did fake beheadings without a single footage of actual beheadings while ISIS,FSA,AL-CIA-da and all their other founded terrorist groups of the west have hundreds of videos on YT of beheadings, shootings, stranglings, eating hearts of dead soldiers, cutting pregnant women, burning people alive etc.... so gruesome beheadings that the US propagandized it in Mainstream Media but at the same time said everyone who watches it is supporting terrorism. That is a smoking gun, if you do not want terrorism to take place do not fucking ever give it a highlighted show so everyone can see it. The purpose of Terrorism is to spread TERROR to intimidate people for political reasons. Whenever the US with their 100% controlled MSM shows and focuses across all its medias on one event then they are the terrorists, because they benefit from it. Cui Bono?

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    Re: ISIL/ISIS General Discussion Thread

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:51 am

    2,000 Russians Gone to Iraq, Syria Including to Join ISIL

    Head of Russia’s Federal Agency for Ethnic Affairs Igor Barinov claims that about 2,000 Russians have left their country for Syria and Iraq, including to join the ranks of the radical ISIL organization.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – About 2,000 Russians have left their country for Syria and Iraq, including to join the ranks of the radical ISIL organization, Head of Russia’s Federal Agency for Ethnic Affairs Igor Barinov said in an interview with the Kommersant newspaper.

    "We have, according to various estimates, about 2,000 people who have already left for Syria, Iraq, ISIL" Barinov said on Thursday.

    He added that the Federal Agency for Ethnic Affairs is cooperating with Russia’s special services on the creation of a unique system that could analyze internet website and mass media in order to detect extremist and terrorist propaganda and later block internet resources that include "dangerous content."

    According to Barinov, the Muslim community in Russia also plays a crucial role in preventing the spread of radical Islam.

    "We are certainly ready to cooperate with them as much as necessary, including in what concerns preparation and retraining of religious workers who need to be able to withstand a fight against propagators of false belief for the minds and souls of young believers," Barinov said.

    The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS), is a radical Sunni group that operates mainly in Iraq and Syria where it has captured vast areas.

    Affiliated ISIL groups operate in North Africa, Yemen, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    The militants, who recruit young fighters from across the globe using social media, are known for their grave human rights violations, such as mass killings and beheadings.

    The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) estimates that about 1,700 Russians have been recruited by Islamic State.

    On Wednesday, FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov said that citizens from more than 100 countries are currently fighting among the ranks of the ISIL and the terrorist organization has taken the upper hand in propaganda.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150730/1025199528.html#ixzz3hMmtOaeB


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    ISIL to Shift Recruitment Focus to Caucasus, Central Asia, Indonesia


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    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:07 am

    At Least 1,200 Turks Fighting Alongside ISIL, Nusra Front in Mideast

    Around 1,200 Turkish citizens are fighting alongside the Islamic State and the Nusra Front jihadist groups in Syria and Iraq, a Turkish Foreign Ministry official told local media Friday.

    ANKARA (Sputnik) – Ankara believes that there are about 900 in ISIL, and close to 300 with the Nusra Front, fighting in neighboring Syria and Iraq, the official told the Hurriyet Daily News.

    The official, who spoke with the newspaper on condition of anonymity, added that some 400 Turkish nationals have been killed in clashes while fighting for the jihadists.

    The Foreign Ministry has called for greater international coordination to prevent foreign fighters from crossing into Syria through Turkish borders, the official added.

    A Kurdish Peshmerga fighter carries his weapon walks onto his base, where two flags of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) are seen on a building, right, and water tower, left, at the front line with the al-Qaida-inspired militants in Tuz Khormato, 100 kilometers (62 miles) south of the oil rich province of Kirkuk, northern Iraq.

    Research by the New York-based Soufan Group and the London-based International Center for the Study of Radicalization and Political Violence disagree, estimating that there are less than 500 Turks fighting on the ISIL and Nusra Front’s side in Iraq and Syria.

    "Of course, there are those who tend to believe that we just cooked up [the figures]," the ministry official told the daily.

    Out of an estimated 12,000 foreign fighters said to be embedded with ISIL and other extremist groups in Iraq and Syria, a vast majority hail from Tunisia, Saudi Arabia and Jordan, with about 3,000 fighters originating in Western countries, according to the watchdogs.

    Ankara has recently stepped up its anti-ISIL campaign in Syria, alongside an unconnected incursion on Kurdish separatists in northern Iraq, following recent terrorist attacks on Turkish soil.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150918/1027196746.html#ixzz3mK5J3Wem


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    Solncepek wrote:



    This has is just Zionist propaganda, nothing more.

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