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    Su-30SM for VMF

    Post  mack8 on Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:41 am

    As it is known, 3 have already been transfered to Yeysk. These are part of an initial order for 5. According to A. Fomin at take-off.ru (and if i get it right, the 3/2014 magazine is available online btw) in the future VMF Su-30SM might be based in Kaliningrad, Kamchatka and Crimea. Apart from the known video, there is this image of bort 37 from take-off.ru...


    ...and i took this screenshot from the latest AFM magazine, showing bort 35:

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    Re: Su-30SM for VMF

    Post  George1 on Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:53 pm

    50 are on order

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    Post  medo on Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:06 pm

    To form 3 regiments, they will need to order 30 more.

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    Post  medo on Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:57 pm

    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2014/09/05/304245.html

    Russian MoD sign a new contract with IAPO for 7 more Su-30SM for RuNAVY. Maybe first 12 will be for training squadron.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:43 pm

    medo wrote:http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2014/09/05/304245.html

    Russian MoD sign a new contract with IAPO for 7 more Su-30SM for RuNAVY. Maybe first 12 will be for training squadron.

    so 50+7 = 57 total on order?

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    Post  medo on Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:22 pm

    George1 wrote:
    medo wrote:http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2014/09/05/304245.html

    Russian MoD sign a new contract with IAPO for 7 more Su-30SM for RuNAVY. Maybe first 12 will be for training squadron.

    so 50+7 = 57 total on order?

    http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2014/1/17/2170/

    To be honest, no idea. Maybe those 5+7 planes are additional contracts or they are inside those 50 planed planes. Interesting is, that first planes from those 50 planes are planed to be delivered in the end of 2015. Could be, that those 5+7 planes are additional contracts and first 3 were delivered from contract for 5 planes.

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    Post  Mike E on Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:38 pm

    That does sound realistic...

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    Post  mack8 on Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:04 pm

    Gents, please correct me, but as far as i know there hasn't been any contract for 50 planes signed, only media reports that VMF might get up to 50 of them. The usually very well informed bmpd website was mentioning based on official sources that there has been 30 (thirty) Su-30SM and 10 Yak-130 ordered for VMF, which i take as being in addition to the first order for five Su-30SM and five Yak-130. So in my interpretation, with these 7 additional Su-30SM, VMF might have a grand total order of 42 Su-30SM (so not that far from the "50" figure) and 15 Yak-130, plus of course the 24 MiG-29K/KUB (with perhaps more to to be ordered next year?).

    Of course, i may be badly mistaken in my interpretation of available info,  corrections welcomed.

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    Post  mack8 on Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:26 pm

    Well, according to bmpd so far 72 Su-30SM have been ordered for the MoD, 60 for VVS (30 plus 30) and 12 (5 plus 7) for VMF. So it appears only these 12 have been ordered for the Navy so far, not the figures i was guesstimating.

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    Post  George1 on Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:36 am

    mack8 wrote:Well, according to bmpd so far 72 Su-30SM have been ordered for the MoD, 60 for VVS (30 plus 30) and 12 (5 plus 7) for VMF. So it appears only these 12 have been ordered for the Navy so far, not the figures i was guesstimating.

    and these 12 are going to replace the 18 old Su-24 of black sea fleet

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    Post  Mike E on Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:55 am

    Interesting how the Su-30SM will replace the Su-24 there... After all, they are completely different classes of aircraft!

     - It does seem like they can carry a similar payload.

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    Post  medo on Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:22 am

    I'm sure there will be more orders for both RuAF and RuNAVY. This year there will be 37 Su-30SM produced and with such tempo next year IAPO will finish orders. In situation like now, Russian MoD will need more of them and I hope they will buy more than 200 of Su-30SM for both RuAF and RuNAVY.



    Mike E wrote:Interesting how the Su-30SM will replace the Su-24 there... After all, they are completely different classes of aircraft!

    - It does seem like they can carry a similar payload.

    Su-30SM is multirole fighter and could do all tasks of Su-24 and at the same time it could also do air defense duties, which Su-24 could not do. Su-30SM could carry Yakhont and Klub anti-ship and cruise missiles. India place their Brahmos missile on Su-30MKI. Klub missile with 600 km range is very potent weapon and with long range of Su-30SM, they could attack ships very far away. Unfortunately MiG-29K could not carry those big missiles. No doubt naval regiment of Su-30SM in Kamchatka will use those planes in full capabilities.

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    Post  Mike E on Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:47 am

    medo wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Interesting how the Su-30SM will replace the Su-24 there... After all, they are completely different classes of aircraft!

    - It does seem like they can carry a similar payload.

    Su-30SM is multirole fighter and could do all tasks of Su-24 and at the same time it could also do air defense duties, which Su-24 could not do. Su-30SM could carry Yakhont and Klub anti-ship and cruise missiles. India place their Brahmos missile on Su-30MKI. Klub missile with 600 km range is very potent weapon and with long range of Su-30SM, they could attack ships very far away. Unfortunately MiG-29K could not carry those big missiles. No doubt naval regiment of Su-30SM in Kamchatka will use those planes in full capabilities.
    I don't doubt that... I figured that they could go with both the Su-34 and SM, which would give them more overall payload etc.

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    Post  navyfield on Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:36 am

    i agree su-24 with its swing wing ,is obsolete ,but its true succesor should be su-34 not su-30 (version). su-34 tail looks perfect for MAD detector . probably some russian military complex lobbying...

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    Post  medo on Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:18 pm

    navyfield wrote:i agree su-24 with its swing wing ,is obsolete ,but its true succesor should be su-34 not su-30 (version). su-34 tail looks perfect for MAD detector . probably some russian military complex lobbying...

    Depend on what navy need. They have anti-sub planes and they need to replace old Su-24. Su-34 is bigger and more expensive and they are now primarily build for RuAF. Su-30SM could do all tasks as Su-34 could do in navy, but in air defense tasks Su-30SM is better than Su-34. Su-30SM squadrons in Crimea, Kaliningrad and in Kamchatka will also defend naval bases.

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    Post  George1 on Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:50 pm

    medo wrote:
    navyfield wrote:i agree su-24 with its swing wing ,is obsolete ,but its true succesor should be su-34 not su-30 (version). su-34 tail looks perfect for MAD detector . probably some russian military complex lobbying...

    Depend on what navy need. They have anti-sub planes and they need to replace old Su-24. Su-34 is bigger and more expensive and they are now primarily build for RuAF. Su-30SM could do all tasks as Su-34 could do in navy, but in air defense tasks Su-30SM is better than Su-34. Su-30SM squadrons in Crimea, Kaliningrad and in Kamchatka will also defend naval bases.

    right and also even if su-24 role isnt the same as su-30sm consider that su-30sm is a modern aircraft and can perform all tasks the su-24s did as naval strike aircrafts

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    Re: Su-30SM for VMF

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:50 am

    Just like the upgraded MiG-29SMT or M2 or K2 could do all the precision strike that previously dedicated aircraft like the MiG-27K and Su-24 performed, the new multirole Su-30s should be able to replace the older Su-24M in the anti shipping role.

    I rather suspect the upgrades of the Tu-22M3M together with the upgraded multirole Su-27 and Su-30s should be able to allow for the withdrawl of the Su-24.

    I am not even sure that the Su-34 has naval applications yet...


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    Re: Su-30SM for VMF

    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:52 am

    GarryB wrote:

    I am not even sure that the Su-34 has naval applications yet...

    No it hasnt, thats why they put su-30sm as replacement of naval su-24s

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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:14 am

    http://www.janes.com/article/42851/russian-navy-orders-additional-su-30sm-fighters

    Russia has ordered another seven Sukhoi Su-30SM multirole fighter aircraft for the Russian Navy, it was announced on 5 September.

    The contracts were signed by Russian Deputy Defence Minister Yury Borisov and Irkut Corporation President Oleg Demchenko.

    "These modern aircraft, capable of destroying air, surface, and ground targets, allow us to increase substantially the potential of naval aviation," said Borisov.

    The Russian government reported it will pay RUB13 billion (USD360 million) in all, or about USD50 million per aircraft. The contract was signed during the 10th International Seaplane Exhibition 'Gidroaviasalon-2014' in Gelendzhik.

    Borisov said this was the second order for the Russian Navy. In July, the navy received the first three Su-30SM fighters ordered under a late 2013 contract for five aircraft.

    Also in Gelendzhik, Navy Commander-in-Chief Admiral Viktor Chirkov said that naval aviation will receive 10 MiG-29K carrier fighters, one An-140 transport, and one Be-200 seaplane before the end of 2014.

    Ten MiG-29K aircraft would give the navy a fleet of 14 aircraft, and 10 more will be received in 2015, according to Adm Chirkov.

    He also said the navy intended to procure a total of six Be-200 amphibians. Three will form a search-and-rescue detachment for the Pacific Fleet; the remaining three will be based at Yeysk, presumably to cover the same mission for Russia's western fleets.

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    Post  navyfield on Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:09 pm

    su-34 was advertised as a naval aircraft . that plane shouldnt have been made since su-30 versions can cover everything.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:37 pm

    navyfield wrote:su-34 was advertised as a naval aircraft . that plane shouldnt have been made since su-30 versions can cover everything.

    i think su-34 is clearly a tactical bomber, while su-30 a strike/multirole fighter like american F-15E and F/A-18E/F

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    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:57 pm

    George1 wrote:
    navyfield wrote:su-34 was advertised as a naval aircraft . that plane shouldnt have been made since su-30 versions can cover everything.

    i think su-34 is clearly a tactical bomber, while su-30 a strike/multirole fighter like american  F-15E and F/A-18E/F
    Makes sense...

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:36 am

    su-34 was advertised as a naval aircraft . that plane shouldnt have been made since su-30 versions can cover everything.

    The Su-34 was never advertised as a naval aircraft... the Su-32FN was offered for export as a naval aircraft but there were no buyers... the very similar looking Su-33KUB was also not produced (it looks like an Su-34 but with a round nose radar antenna).

    The Su-34 is a medium strike aircraft, just like the Su-24 was.... but is rather more capable than is needed for the role.


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