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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #8

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    Post  onwiththewar Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:02 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:I can't stand this faggots who come by waves and ask whether Russia supplied this or that. We don't care, actually we complain why they don't supply the very best in unlimited amounts. And no we don't care if they shoot you out of USA taking your green card, you are cleaning stairs anyway.

    Let the faggots bitch. If they don't bitch they aren't faggots. We should respect their choice. 3 pages talking about 1 random photo of a tank, skipped, I won't let my time wasted on this stupid topic. You guys know the Vostok have modern Russian hardware right ??

    Yes I agree that a few weeks ago, we talked about why Putin had been so soft, now this forum is over taken by ... you know who. Probably it's only going to be a worthy topic if we see 1000 T-72's.

    If Russia has supplied zero tanks, 1 tank or 1000 tanks, whether Putin had been trying to sabotage the rebellion, or if Putin had been trying to bulldoze the fake state of Ukraine out of existence. It's no one else' business. Russia will erase Ukraine if Russia wants to. Russia will not be stopped by some little girl pointing fingers, talking about 1 single tank non sense.

    OK, it seems that European countries, all they give to Ukraine, are lip services. Nato are not arming Ukies, Nato will not let Ukie join. UK talked about this 10,000 men strong "expedition" force. But looks that they are only going to be stationed in Hungary for the sake of being there. Not that we'll blink our eyes to shoot and kill some of them, but it seems that no party has the guts to actually send arms or regular troops to Porky. We even got the Czech PM on our side who is opposing sanctions and opposing Ukraine joining Nato or EU. America wasted their last bit of cash in 2008, America's government is piss poor god damn broke now. My American friends all said US is not able to find any money for the smallest war soon, let alone taking on Russia. Epic Fail.

    Ukies + Porky are doomed. All good for us.

    Putin might as well actually send 1000 tanks over and liberate all Ukies from their sufferings. Of course he's done jack so far.




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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:22 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:For one I have to agree with mr TR1. His boyfriend probably show this comment and demanded him to leave the forum. Please make him the favor if he get married he will not need green card anymore. Later they can adopt children as well.
    Now that is a good comment!
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    Post  TR1 Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:12 am

    Mike E wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:For one I have to agree with mr TR1. His boyfriend probably show this comment and demanded him to leave the forum. Please make him the favor if he get married he will not need green card anymore. Later they can adopt children as well.
    Now that is a good comment!

    Sure, if you are a 13 year old retard.

    LOLOLO UR GAY LOL.

    You guys really should go volunteer in the Donbass. Aside from actually acting on all your verbal badassery, you all would fit in quite wonderfully with the intelligence level of the average rebel, if the videos they themselves made are any indication.
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:43 am

    That isn't even close to what he said, and the reason I said "good" is because it is "true"! - Just a joke.

    No way in heck, just because I don't support the Ukraine, doesn't mean I want to go fight against them... In fact I completely disagree with both parties in the situation, force should never be used.

    TR1, from reading your older comments, I can tell that you are intelligent, there is no reason to become a troll (not trying to be offensive in any way).

    Honestly TR1, if you are starting to hate this forum, then why bother to come back? I might as well go to MP.net or f-16.net and complain about how bad those sites are. Oh wait, I'd be banned!
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    Post  arpakola Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:12 am

    n the south the most active fighting today were under Yelenovka. The caldron is no longer under Ilovaiskaya

    Tatiana Steshenko Peter Puliaev ■ 31 August | 21:53

    Today has been a change in the military map of Donbass. Today force LPR took Lugansk airport. Airport defended by representatives of the APU, and volunteer corps. In LPR say that succeeded thanks to a powerful fire attack and claim at the airport, killing at least five security officials. In ATU situation in Luhansk airport has not yet commented.

    Fighting broke out and near Donetsk airport. In the morning, the network has information that the airport is taken by the DNR, however, according to the "Vesti", Ukrainian troops are well entrenched and there is fighting in the area are still ongoing. In Donetsk, till the night heard explosions from the airport. In addition, shots were fired at the Kuibyshev region of Donetsk.

    There was a change to the configuration of the caldrons, which were in the Ukrainian military in the Donbass. In particular, the fact remained surrounded by security forces under ukraisnkih Ilovaiskaya: Part volunteer corps broke through. Particular fight broke Lt. Gen. Ruslan Homchak. But part of the troops "Donbass" and "Azov", not had time to leave a humanitarian corridor (about 150 people), surrendered and today these captives taken in Donetsk, to determine their fate.

    By the way, in the afternoon, "Defense Minister" DPR Vladimir Kononov said that the terms of a humanitarian corridor regularly violated the representatives of Ukrainian Armed Forces and volunteer battalions. That is why, according to him, the exchange of prisoners while suspended.

    According to the "Vesti", and went with white flags and Ukrainian parts of the villages Starobeshevskiy district.

    "In the night from Saturday to Sunday, at exactly 01.00, column Ukrainian military capitulated from Komsomolsk," - said "lead" a local resident.

    According to our interlocutor, the soldiers under white flags, lights extinguished and without weapons headed towards the village Razdolnoe, then - aside Telmanovo (major town on the road to Novoazovsk, - Ed).

    Thus, in one village Starobeshevskiy area no more fighters of the Ukrainian army. This information was confirmed in our publication residents Maryanovka, Starobeshevo, Novy Svet, Styla, Novoekaterinovki, Komsomolsk, Razdolnaya Novozarevki. From the last village on Saturday in the regional center in Starobeshevo was delivered at least 170 bodies of the Ukrainian military, told us a local resident, which is of such data.

    Starobeshevskiy district as of the date of publication of the material is under the flags of the DPR. No fights or skirmishes with the Saturday night there.

    As of this evening in the caldron Ilovajsk Starobeshevo-Mospino Kuteynikova Ukrainian military were only in the area Mospino.

    In the south the most active fighting today were under Yelenovka: there remain forces and equipment APU. Mangush village in the Sea of ​​Azov is still anybody's - there DNR controls only route to Mariupol.

    Continue active military operations in the Luhansk region, but here's military map so far without major changes. Clashes with mutual losses during the day were in the area of ​​human settlements Peremozhnoe, Veselay Gora, Georgievka, Schastie, Nijnjaia Olhovaya, Belogorovka and Lesnoye.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:16 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    fragmachine wrote:Here we have volunteers from all over the Europe - Germany, Spain, France, Poland, Britain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrKswpDBIDs

    Those aren't Chechen 'mercenaries', are they? Laughing

    It get quite late, bet that in 'murica O'Bombers have breakfast now...
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    Laughing

    Word on the street was that in the original picture Obama was enchanted and enamored oggling a penis, but a banana was photoshopped their to save face... lol1

    Homophobic and racist humor.

    Good job tards, keep maintaining your reputation.

    1.) It's called a sense of humor, take your politically correct hot garbage somewhere else. 2.) Obama was ridiculed for not originally granting asylum for a Gay Saudi diplomat, beheading someone for the sexual orientation is far worse than mocking a two-faced political bureaucrat with harmless humor, mr. politically correct. Razz

    Sense of humor? What sick sense of humor do you guys have?
    Racists.
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:21 am

    Dutchy returns...

    I really don't get how that joke was either homophobic or racist in anyway... That right there is typical "American humor" (Anything that makes fun of Obama, but it depends on your political stance.). It is not like he call him a #%$@&# or anything....
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:25 am

    Mike E wrote:Dutchy returns...

    I really don't get how that joke was either homophobic or racist in anyway... That right there is typical "American humor" (Anything that makes fun of Obama, but it depends on your political stance.). It is not like he call him a #%$@&# or anything....

    That banana...
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:36 am

    Oh gosh, that is more of a "joke of a joke" than anything else. If you want to see a racist, look at Holder and the Obama family themselves. Modern day racism is what is commonly referred to as the "race card".
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:40 am

    Russian central bank keeps devaluing ruble like hell. This indicates to me that they expect affairs in Ukraine to go on for much longer or to escalate significantly.
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:42 am

    Not good, but it is out of our league...
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    Post  Firebird Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:11 am

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    fragmachine wrote:Here we have volunteers from all over the Europe - Germany, Spain, France, Poland, Britain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrKswpDBIDs

    Those aren't Chechen 'mercenaries', are they? Laughing

    It get quite late, bet that in 'murica O'Bombers have breakfast now...
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #8 - Page 14 -YIf-oGeroE

    Laughing

    Word on the street was that in the original picture Obama was enchanted and enamored oggling a penis, but a banana was photoshopped their to save face... lol1

    Homophobic and racist humor.

    Good job tards, keep maintaining your reputation.

    1.) It's called a sense of humor, take your politically correct hot garbage somewhere else. 2.) Obama was ridiculed for not originally granting asylum for a Gay Saudi diplomat, beheading someone for the sexual orientation is far worse than mocking a two-faced political bureaucrat with harmless humor, mr. politically correct. Razz

    Sense of humor? What sick sense of humor do you guys have?
    Racists.


    Bush's nickname was "the smirking chimp". And people, quite rightly did exactly the same pics about him.

    Obama looks like a chimp because of the build, the vacant expression and his morally repugnant behaviour. Its nothing to do with his pale brown skin colour (unless you choose it to be). There are also white monkeys as well BTW.

    More importantly, supporting Nazism, slaughtering civillians and creating/developing ISIS means this maggot forfeits any right to claim the "moral high ground".

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    And as for the allegations of "homophobia", well that is a ridiculous word. We don't talk about "paedophobia"... YET. So why should anyone concoct a bizarre Orwellesque word like "homophobia".

    Homosexuals suffer from an illness, probably a self inflicted one in the view of most/many and certainly in my view.
    They can shout as loud as they want, but the rest of the population have the right to express OUR opinion that kids should not be subject to brainwashing about homosexuality or any other deviation such as paedophilia, sadomasochist, crossdressing or whatever other sick shit.
    For homosexuals to say we cannot is just another form of hypocrisy, and shows just how wacko they are.
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    Post  Firebird Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:15 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Russian central bank keeps devaluing ruble like hell. This indicates to me that they expect affairs in Ukraine to go on for much longer or to escalate significantly.

    It could be a number of reasons. Russia is looking at new markets to sell to, AND to buy from.
    Reducing the Rouble would mean Russia is more "in sync" with those markets eg China, S America etc, not Europe and the US.

    Europe and the US have higher exch rates for numerous reasons. Mainly because of the way higher taxes etc multiple thro the system.

    There are other aspects to this, but its complex.
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    Post  arpakola Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:38 am

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    Post  Werewolf Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:52 am

    That has nothing to do with racism or homophobia. How many pictures of Bush Jr. as big eared Chimpanse do we have floating around on the internet.

    And the only one lowering his own reputation is TR1 and Flyingdutchman, don't be hypocrites there is not a single male person who never called someone gay don't act here with some fake superiority and adult mentality, since you are both prone to come here for some cheap oneliners even Steven SeaGul would not use in his mediocre movies. Instead of acting here just to try to lower someones nonsense to even lower nonsense you could contribute, so far Flying has nothing done anything like that and you TR1 if you are so antirussian about ukraine provide more instead of coming in entire 9 month just two times to bitch around about trucks and now about a single tank.
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    Post  arpakola Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:05 am

    US power to collapse over Ukraine: Analyst
    http://presstv.com/detail/2014/08/31/377218/us-power-to-collapse-over-ukraine/
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    Post  arpakola Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:25 am



    Everbody should look at this because it's with english subtitles. How captured ukranian soldiers are being treated and released, prime-minister Zaharcenko giving a speech.
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    Post  arpakola Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:59 am


    from the sloter of Aydar NATO mercies..

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    Post  arpakola Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:14 pm

    http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/2014/08/31/

    I received information from a medical officer in the Armed Forces of Ukraine who works in a large military hospital. The stream of soldiers and officers of the junta who are wounded in Donbass flows through this hospital. This is a small story about the lucky ones who were able to escape this bloody meat grinder alive by ending up in this Ukrainian hospital. First the story and then his answers to some questions. The anonymity of the source was, of course, preserved (as you know, there is no freedom of speech in Ukraine and one can can be hurt or killed for dissent) because he is writing to us from occupied territories. Therefore, first and second names were changed at the request of the source as well as the place in which the described events happened.
    ( Collapse )

    About the lucky ones ...

    There is a long-standing bunch here.
    I am the youngest person there. Everybody else is 40-46 year old.
    I carpool with X, who is 45 year old. We know each other for 7 years now.
    This dude is an ardent separatist. Well, and on Sunday he took another friend with us - a senior medical officer. He serves in a military hospital.
    At first I did not speak to him, and then I noticed that they are cursing Ukies together!
    Word for word and so it went. I will write in theses form according to his words:

    1. The losses are indeed lowered by several times by the Ukrainian media and authorities. If in the beginning of the punitive operation they received 3-5 wounded fighters per day and it was almost an emergency when there were 10 coming in at once. Now 30-40 per day is the norm.

    2. Career military and mobilized conscripts can't stand the Right Sector activists, members of the National Guard and other volunteer battalions. In the beginning there were constant fights in the wards. Now they are not just treated in different wards but actually in different buildings.

    3. While at rest he received a call. He said that the "Right Sector" activists got drunk and started a brawl. The hospital security tied them up using handcuffs and placed them in a special ward with bars. This is also the norm - compassionate volunteers bring alcohol to them.

    4. About volunteers (people who help to collect aid for the wounded). Several "volunteer hundreds" emerged after the start of the punitive operation. They opened up accounts and apparently started collecting money. They request receipts from those people who bring equipment into the hospital (fridges, TVs, ACs), which they later use to get reimbursed. Everyone knows this, even the SBU people who say it openly - "We see everything, we know everything. But we don't want to touch this now - there will be an outcry!"

    5. Oftentimes there are visitors: Rabbit (n.b. the prime minister Arsenii Yatsenyuk), Lyashko, Poroshenko also visited a couple of times. Their personal security detail mock them openly - he knows many of them for a long time. Poroshenko is no longer called gunpowder (n.b. the Russian work "porokh" translates to "gunpowder") but rather he is now called a "shrimp" - both arthropod and powerless.

    6. Wounded soldilers openly told Lyashko and Tyagnybok to go to hell while this senior medical officer was in the room.

    7. Everybody is trying to get publicity for helping the wounded. Eldorado (n.b. a Ukrainian department store chain) comes, brings a pair of refrigerators and there are 10 reporters who shoot videos of this process.

    8. Volunteer services screw those who need prosthetics especially hard. A separate account is opened for each of them and only manufacturers from Israel or Canada are recommended. And there prosthetics cost 150-300 thousand dollars. At the same time, there are domestic prosthetics of high quality and free of charge. But the most important thing is that the doctors tell their relatives to not get fooled by Israeli prosthetics. Because over time the prosthetic specialist becomes almost a family member. And it is necessary to visit once or twice per year for adjusting, regulating and performing other types of service on the prosthetic. And if yours was made in Israel - you'll have to go there many times and nobody will give you money to do that. The thing is that money are saved - they are held under interest and the interest is quite good. So they don't even have to steal anything (n.b. this particular type of interest fraud is a common fraud scheme in the former USSR, the translator recalls several examples from the 90s when interest was collected by private parties for public money that was kept on "buffer accounts").

    9. Several volunteer girls left their "volunteer hundreds" and said that they will help the hospital directly instead after learning how their colleagues steal money. So there was an outcry and these girls were accused of fraud and a complaint was sent to the Ministry of Defense. ))) Nobody wants to lose money.

    10. He also told about cheapskate-fighters who are given a TV for the ward and later they take this TV or a fridge with them once they are released from the hospital. To the question of doctors "Where are you taking this?" The answer is "So what!!? This is mine! They brought it to me!!! "

    11. Several women with many children showed up and immediately married shell-shocked patients and other people in vegetative state. They argued that they'll help them! And they specifically select those wounded whose brain isn't fully operational or who is almost dead. So he asks it straight: why would a 35-year-old woman with two children marry a 20-year-old who doesn't even understand where he is and will never walk again? Their answer is that they marry for subsidies and for the aid that is distributed to wives of perished soldiers.

    12. Because everybody who needs prosthetics is supposed to receive a certain sum (20 thousand UAH), everybody asks all of it at once and in cash (the relatives). It is impossible to explain to them that this money goes FOR PROSTHETICS - they need the money!!!
    In short, war makes some people rich.

    Ivanov - fuck
    Ivanov - do you mind if I pass this information to the reporters?
    Ivanov - to normal reporters

    Petrov - Ah! I recalled a minor detail about Yatsenyuk - he talks to each wounded in the wards while on his hunkers. Even his guards said: "Here, look, there he goes on his hunkers again!" .)))
    Petrov - A military doctor called from the hospital - there are fucking many wounded over the last 2 days.

    Ivanov - yeah, according to the news there is hell there

    Petrov - And then a paramedic called. He was mobilized on March 10. Currently he is under Debalcevo. There's almost a riot there. There's a fight every day - they hit each other in the face. And yesterday they even hit their commander in the face. Everybody is nuts. He got sick - a cold. He says that it's really cold there at night, +8 Celsius. (it is +8 right now... and what happens in Winter?). He asked to pass him medicines against flu in any possible way. They don't even have aspirin there.

    Petrov - By the way! Yesterday I stood in the line to gas station on Zhitomir roadway. So I drive in and there are two buses full of military there. Regular army. They buy beer and chocolates. I noticed that all of them have the "KFOR" badge on their right arm. !!!!

    Ivanov - I recently got a call from this military recruitment officer I know - he asked to hide him from the mobilization in the hospital!
    Ivanov - supposedly they received an order of three-hour readiness

    Petrov - I didn't understand - did the recruitment officer ask to hide HIM?

    Ivanov - yep, we're hiding him now
    Ivanov - yes - they started sending recruitment officers to the punitive operation

    Petrov - well, this means a clusterfuck is coming

    Ivanov - it is already there, judging by the news
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:31 pm

    Breaking News.. Very Happy

    BREAKING: #Donetsk, #Lugansk ready to remain part of Ukraine, seek special status

    http://on.rt.com/s2rb70  

    This can be a good move.. The ball is now on the side of kiev.. Why this is a good move?
    Because Germany Merkel was also suggesting Federalization for Eastern Ukraine and also their right hand too.
    Germany wants federalization for Novorrossiya.. Russia wanted Federalization too.. so now Poroshenko is on a
    position to win something so that Ukraine does not lose Donetsk and Lugansk as part of Ukraine.. but at the same time giving full autonomy in change. This way Poroshenko will not had to deal with another Maidan for losing
    the territories in the east.. but also he can officially end the war.. Very Happy

    What is interesting in all this.. is that if Poroshenko Reject the offer.. He will be isolated by Europe.. and even he face the risk to face angry people in kiev for not negotiating and continue the war...  

    Also what will be interesting is that Novorosiya will ask Ukraine army to Move from their territories.. so once all the ukie army leave and everyone return to their cities.. if in 2-3 months more problems happens ..Kiev will not have
    the stomach to start again recruiting an army for a repeat of the war.. and being wiped.

    What is also much more interesting is that in reality this autonomy is a *temporarily one*.. in practice ,is a first step before independence Because.. TIme is on the side of Novorosiya and Russia.. Kiev will not be able to save his economy they will go bankrupt.. and once their economy collapse and a new euromaidan happens asking Poroshenko to Resign.. Novorossiya can easily move to full independence mode when kiev falls withing an hour. thumbsup

    What Novorossiya only need to demand in return for staying part of Ukraine.. is that they Run their own security and elect their own Governors.. they also not allow any police or soldier from kiev in their territory.. or any combat jet flying their zone.

    What will be truly amazing of this Federalization.. is that it also will benefit Odessa and Kharkiv without firing a single shot and means that no longer Right Sector can enter their cities.  Wink  So essentially Novorrosiya will become very powerful not only in their regions but also will expand to Other Pro Russian cities and if that was not enought they will representation in the parliament too.

    Too good to be true.. if you ask me.. I don't think Poroshenko will accept any negotiation until Rebels drops their weapons.. to more easily kill them.. Still is a Brilliant Move.. because now if the war continue and Poroshenko reject the deal. it will NOT be the Rebels fault.. but him for refusing to give them full autonomy.

    IF Poroshenko accept the deal and give Novorrosiya full autonomy.. it will be the end of Right Sector and all extremist groups.. Novorosiya will have voting power in parliament ,and will demand Russian language to be returned and right sector to be held accounted for their war crimes.. in short if Poroshenko under EU pressure accept Federalization , Kiev will need to remove all the racist laws they created.. and Russian Media will have to be returned again its transmission. If Poroshenko accept he will have an strong opposition in parliament and will in essence share power in Ukraine.

    My prediction is that Poroshenko decisions will depend LArgely on the Pressure of Europe.. because if he accept federalization it will be a full defeat not only for the Nazis but also for US. Since no longer they will be able to create a banderastan in all Ukraine. Since not only Eastern Ukraine will be under Russia influence but also all coastal zones.. where Yakunovuych Won..and Nazis or kiev authorities will have no right to enter there with weapons.
    we have a real thing here.. is perfect solution.
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    Post  arpakola Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:58 pm


    Trophies DNR army in the battles of Amvrosievka

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    Post  Vann7 Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:16 pm


    Now kiev claims there are 30,000 Russian armed forces in kiev with a 100 tanks.. Rolling Eyes

    My guess is that they say that ..to save face.. and not have another maidan asking them to leave for
    their failure in ATO operation.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:19 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Breaking News.. Very Happy

    BREAKING: #Donetsk, #Lugansk ready to remain part of Ukraine, seek special status

    http://on.rt.com/s2rb70  

    I wouldn't be that optimistic. Federalization can simply be remedied after a few years, just like it happened with crimea.

    IMO, independence or bust should be a way to go.
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:25 pm

    For people who still don't realize it, there will be no federalization, no talks, no ceasefire. Everything they do is already planned and all on purpose. Russia will get more sanctions and the US wants counter sanctions from Russia to hit the economy of their EU slaves. Why? Because that will drive the EU from Russia right into the hands of USA with their stupid slave treaty called TPP (Trans Pacific, Partnership) the US hopes on that and will not only have decades worth of trades and oil supplies and projects to build pipelines, new "silk valley" propaganda crap. That is planned the problem is only US will benefit while entire Europe will suffer from low quality, bio-genocide food and insufficient energy availability that lies in US hands.

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