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    Japan's Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  nemrod on Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:54 pm

    Nazis Shinzo Abe should be happy.
    Their fighter is not beautifull, even though, unfortunetly, this fighter must be comparable to the Su Pak T-50.
    Has he vectoring thrust ? Let's hope nop. If so, new war is next.
    I strongly hate Shinzo Abe, he looks like Hitler, but in worse.



    http://www.janes.com/article/36713/japan-s-indigenous-stealth-jet-prototype-to-fly-this-year


    Japan's indigenous stealth jet prototype "to fly this year"

    Japanese Defence Minister Itsunori Onodera has reaffirmed the nation's plan for a 2014 first flight of the Advanced Technology Demonstrator-X (ATD-X) fighter: a prototype for a future fighter to replace the Japan Air Self-Defence Force's Mitsubishi F-2.

    "In February I myself visited at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' (MHI's) Komaki Minami plant where the ATD-X is being built," Onodera told the Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee of the Upper House on 10 April. "There I was briefed that the first flight will take place this year."

    The ATD-X, also known as Shinshin ('Heart of God'), is being developed by the ministry's Technical Research and Development Institute (TRDI), with the main contractor of the project being MHI. It has been designed to be a stealthy air-superiority fighter with enhanced manoeuvrability. The Japanese Ministry of Defence (MoD) will use it to research advanced technologies and system integration, after which it plans to produce a 'sixth-generation' fighter encompassing i3 (informed, intelligent and instantaneous) concepts and counter-stealth capabilities.

    "Originally MHI planned to roll-out the ATD-X before the media in May, soon after Japan's Golden Week holidays, followed by the first test fight," an official at TRDI told IHS Jane's on 15 April. "Now it is several months behind schedule."

    Onodera also said in the Diet that the MoD will decide by FY18 whether to build its future stealth fighter domestically or by international joint development, based on parameters such as technological achievements and cost effectiveness.

    Japan's plans to develop an 'F-3' from the ADT-X could run into opposition from the United States, however, which has blocked Tokyo's attempts to develop an indigenous fighter in the past.

    The 1980s FSX support fighter programme was blocked by Washington, which pressured Tokyo over concerns that the growth of the Japanese aviation industry could damage that of the United States. The pressure eventually led to the co-development of the F-2: a platform based on the Lockheed Martin F-16C.

    Officials said that with China and Russia deploying the Chengdu J-20 and Sukhoi PAK-FA T-50 fifth-generation aircraft respectively, Japan's development of a fast stealth fighter is becoming vital to national air defence.

    "We know that our 28 radar sites are effective at detecting third- and fourth-generation fighters from a long distance, but with the appearance of fifth-generation fighters we are unsure how they will perform," Lieutenant General Hideyuki Yoshioka, then director of Air Systems Development at the TRDI, told IHS Jane's in November 2011.

    The MoD allocated JPY2.7 billion (USD26.5 million) for research on radar and fire control systems able to detect, track and respond to stealth aircraft in FY14.

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    Re: Japan's Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:21 pm

    nemrod wrote:
    Nazis Shinzo Abe should be happy.
    Their fighter is not beautifull, even though, unfortunetly, this fighter must be comparable to the Su Pak T-50.
    Has he vectoring thrust ? Let's hope nop. If so, new war is next.
    I strongly hate Shinzo Abe, he looks like Hitler, but in worse.



    http://www.janes.com/article/36713/japan-s-indigenous-stealth-jet-prototype-to-fly-this-year


    Japan's indigenous stealth jet prototype "to fly this year"

    Japanese Defence Minister Itsunori Onodera has reaffirmed the nation's plan for a 2014 first flight of the Advanced Technology Demonstrator-X (ATD-X) fighter: a prototype for a future fighter to replace the Japan Air Self-Defence Force's Mitsubishi F-2.

    "In February I myself visited at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' (MHI's) Komaki Minami plant where the ATD-X is being built," Onodera told the Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee of the Upper House on 10 April. "There I was briefed that the first flight will take place this year."

    The ATD-X, also known as Shinshin ('Heart of God'), is being developed by the ministry's Technical Research and Development Institute (TRDI), with the main contractor of the project being MHI. It has been designed to be a stealthy air-superiority fighter with enhanced manoeuvrability. The Japanese Ministry of Defence (MoD) will use it to research advanced technologies and system integration, after which it plans to produce a 'sixth-generation' fighter encompassing i3 (informed, intelligent and instantaneous) concepts and counter-stealth capabilities.

    "Originally MHI planned to roll-out the ATD-X before the media in May, soon after Japan's Golden Week holidays, followed by the first test fight," an official at TRDI told IHS Jane's on 15 April. "Now it is several months behind schedule."

    Onodera also said in the Diet that the MoD will decide by FY18 whether to build its future stealth fighter domestically or by international joint development, based on parameters such as technological achievements and cost effectiveness.

    Japan's plans to develop an 'F-3' from the ADT-X could run into opposition from the United States, however, which has blocked Tokyo's attempts to develop an indigenous fighter in the past.

    The 1980s FSX support fighter programme was blocked by Washington, which pressured Tokyo over concerns that the growth of the Japanese aviation industry could damage that of the United States. The pressure eventually led to the co-development of the F-2: a platform based on the Lockheed Martin F-16C.

    Officials said that with China and Russia deploying the Chengdu J-20 and Sukhoi PAK-FA T-50 fifth-generation aircraft respectively, Japan's development of a fast stealth fighter is becoming vital to national air defence.

    "We know that our 28 radar sites are effective at detecting third- and fourth-generation fighters from a long distance, but with the appearance of fifth-generation fighters we are unsure how they will perform," Lieutenant General Hideyuki Yoshioka, then director of Air Systems Development at the TRDI, told IHS Jane's in November 2011.

    The MoD allocated JPY2.7 billion (USD26.5 million) for research on radar and fire control systems able to detect, track and respond to stealth aircraft in FY14.


    With such small wings on the ATD-X it's hard to imagine that maneuverability wouldn't be encumbered by the lack of lift caused by the small wings, and it doesn't help that the tiny wings is paired with a long nose/cockpit which would create excessive drag.

    As far as Shinzo Abe's character goes, let's put it this way if he had it his way he would have all evidence of Japanese WW2 war crimes (such as gang rapes of Chinese and Filipino women) destroyed and completely expunged from the history books!


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    Re: Japan's Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  nemrod on Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:26 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    With such small wings on the ATD-X it's hard to imagine that maneuverability wouldn't be encumbered by the lack of lift caused by the small wings, and it doesn't help that the tiny wings is paired with a long nose/cockpit which would create excessive drag.

    Sorry, I reedited the message, I've seen the previous post was full of errors, it was merged, I don't know how with another message.

    The next japanese fighter is at better comparable to the early model of Mig 29.
    Hope never Russia will give back kourilles islands. Indeed, Abe is the new Hitler.
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    Re: Japan's Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  collegeboy16 on Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:17 am

    hmm, f-15 & f-22 bastard child much?
    im pretty sure this would be capable, and even more sure the price would be real hiiiiiiiiiiiii.
    still no match for PAK-FA tho. hehehe.
    regarding kurils, hell the japanese are downsizing themselves big time- the pretty little archipelago of theirs cant really support that much people and they cant really expand into nearby lands. And if they cant do so now when their neighbors are just getting stronger what can they do after 2 decades?
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    Re: Japan's Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:47 am

    @collegeboy: Do not know much about Japan's military tech, but considering the very high level of this country in technology and machinery, the ATD-X should not be underestimated.

    Considering the size, population, and an economy which depends heavily from imported material, and the military which depends terribly on US support, there is no way Japan can be a threat to Russia or any neighbors.

    I am more concern about the brainwashing campaign of Japanese neoconservative about the WWII war crimes. Recent agressive stance of China is probably used as a reason for textbook censorship.
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    Japan Is Readying ATD-X for Future Aircraft

    Post  nemrod on Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:34 pm

    I don't know whether Japan is booting US out of its interrests, or simply another way to prove that Nippon too could concept their own stealth program.
    Or simply, Japan is fed up with the increasing price, and infinite problems with Joint Strike Fighter. Or simply, another assumption, US influence is decreasing. Remember, the same programme during the 80's -FSX- was not welcome by US administration. In that time, Reagan and Bush increased pressures on Japan to not bypass US approvals.





    https://news.vice.com/article/japan-is-readying-stealth-technology-for-future-aircraft



    Reports in the Japanese press recently suggested that Mitsubishi Heavy Industries is planning on launching the maiden flight of their stealth technology experimental aircraft as early as next January. The plane, called the Advanced Technology Demonstrator-X, or ATD-X, will not be a prototype of a production aircraft, functioning instead as a vehicle for testing stealth capabilities.

    Japanese engineers and designers are using the ATD-X project to improve their grasp of critical technologies, as well as provide a proof-of-concept demonstration of these advanced applications before their incorporation into a full-scale production model. The hope is that the testing and validation of various technological aspects will simplify the design and construction of their proposed next-generation fighter aircraft, which is currently dubbed the F-3.

    Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and the Technical Research and Development Institute, the branch of Japan's Ministry of Defense that is overseeing the project, were both quick to deny the reports of a January launch, however, noting that they have not finalized plans for an inaugural test flight. Discussion in the press had indicated that the Japanese government expects to take over the ATD-X prototype in March and examine its performance over the following two years.

    Defense industry observers believe that Japan will decide by FY 2018 whether it intends to build its next-generation fighter by itself or seek out international partners. In terms of regional hardware, the F-3 will have to contend with Chinese stealth fighter jets and potentially Russian ones, so it will likely be a stealthy aircraft but will also require significant counter-stealth capabilities.

    Japan had expressed interest in the F-22, a top-of-the line US fighter jet, although the sale of the F-22 outside the US was ultimately blocked. Japan is currently slated to deploy the multi-role F-35 once it has finished development.

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    Re: Japan's Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  max steel on Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:Now that the PAK FA is approaching operational service the US will likely do the same, and will also likely look at taking the IIR seeker of the AIM-9X and putting it in an AMRAAM body for long range engagement of LO aircraft...



    But But i thought stealth planes cannot be detected by radars . lol . Now US will also work on such radars with PAK-FA coming to service .




    No one is updating Japanese thread . they are working on various stuff .

    Japan to test fly F-3 stealth fighter this summer



    The highly anticipated F-3, Japan's first domestically-made stealth jet, is aiming to conduct test flights this summer, reports the PLA Daily, If the tests are successful, the F-3 will represent a breakthrough for Japan in terms of stealth capabilities and high-powered engine technology, the report said. The advanced fifth-generation fighter, which originates from Japan's advanced technology demonstrator-experimental (ATD-X) program, has been designed to deliver superior performance in the four major quality indicators of stealth, supersonic cruise capability, maneuverability and integrated avionics systems.

    In terms of stealth technology, the F-3's exterior is said to contain absorbing materials that can reduce radar reflection. Apart from evading radar detection, the aircraft also aims to eliminate visible light signals, electronic signals, heat and noise in order to minimize detectability.

    The cruise capability of the F-3 will rely on its 15-ton-level high-powered engine co-developed by Japan's IHI Corporation and the Technical Research and Development Institute of the country's Ministry of Defense. The engine will reportedly feature XF5-1 low-bypass turbofan technology and composite ceramic materials highly resistant to heat.

    Ordinarily, fighter jets need to make a compromise between stealth and maneuverability, but the F-3's design is said to be able to resolve the conflict. The jet has been designed to be light and multi-purpose, with diamond-shaped wings with no empennage. It has also borrowed advantageous designs from other American fighter jets, with an intake ramp similar to that of the X-32 and a Y-shaped tail that resembles the YF-23.

    The F-3's avionics system integrates a high-performance active phased array radar, electronic warfare systems and multi-function RF sensors, with fiber cables to enable high mobility control and improved radar technology to expand the detection area and distance.

    Despite its impressive design, the F-3 still faces many practical obstacles before it can become a reality, the PLA Daily said. Researchers are still exploring engine capabilities and need to figure out problems such as compressors and burners for such a high-powered engine. The fact that engines in the older F-2, which are less powerful than those in the F-3, have malfunctioned during flights, with reports of strong vibrations during high speeds, demonstrates that Japan's engine technology is not sufficiently mature, the PLA Daily added.

    The aircraft's avionics system is also problematic because it is split into software and hardware, and Japan's lack of experience dealing with complex air flows could make the system vulnerable to poor weather conditions. The hydraulics system is also believed to be a concern for a stealth jet designed to be so agile.

    Additionally, Japan's fighter materials technology has reached a bottleneck. The US F-15, for instance, has a titanium proportion as high as 26.5%, but it is not practical for Japan to simply copy the Americans as the former is completely reliant on imports for such raw materials.

    The development of the F-3 carries significant strategic meaning for Japan, the PLA Daily said. On the one hand, the aircraft is viewed upon as a return to form for Japan's aviation industry and represents a show of strength against China, especially given Tokyo's efforts to lift its constitutional prohibition against collective self-defense. On the other, a successful F-3 program shows that Japan can stand on its own in developing a superior fighter. Japan has been over-reliant on the US in developing fighter jets in the past, rendering its own technologies lagging. America's guarded attitude towards Japan has led to the US suspending cooperation on multiple occasions, so the F-3 could end up being a bargaining chip in future negotiations.



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    Re: Japan's Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:46 pm

    Japan's 5th Generation Stealth Fighter to Take Off Next Month

    A prototype of Japan's 5th generation stealth air superiority fighter, the Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin, will make its maiden flight in February, Tokyo-based news magazine The Diplomat reports.

    A prototype of the aircraft, developed by the Defense Ministry's Technical Research and Development Institute (TRDI), will undergo taxiing and ground trials at the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries testing center in Aichi Prefecture, before taking to the skies 'sometime in February'. It will be flying to the Gifu Air Field in neighboring Gifu Prefecture.

    According to The Diplomat, the ATD-X program's primary objective "is to develop a research prototype aircraft — an 'advanced technology demonstration unit', to test the capacity of Japan's defense industry to develop, among other things, a powerful fighter engine and various other indigenous stealth fighter aircraft technologies."

    ​Japan's indigenously developed and produced fifth-generation air superiority fighter, designated the F-3, is expected to begin serial production in 2027, although delays on the ATD-X prototype, originally scheduled to be fully developed by 2018 (and to make its maiden flight last year), put this time frame in question.

    With the F-3 program starting up in response to the United States' refusal to sell Japan the Lockheed-Martin F-22 Raptor back in 2007, Japanese media have also reported that Lockheed-Martin has attempted to undermine the ATD-X's development. Purchasing 42 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft in 2011, Japan has indicated that the American planes are an interim solution until Tokyo can develop and produce its own 5th generation fighter.

    So far, one full-scale ATD-X prototype has been built.

    Last month, Japan announced large-scale plans to fortify its positions along 200 islands in the East China Sea, to be equipped with anti-ship and anti-aircraft missile batteries, stretching 870 miles from the country's mainland toward Taiwan, and aimed at countering the Chinese Navy.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160104/1032678717/japan-5th-gen-fighter-trials.html#ixzz3wJ4qgrVl


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    Re: Japan's Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  max steel on Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:33 pm

    Japan's first stealth fighter unveiled


    Japan is very capable of making their own advanced fighter & engines . But it's a tech demonstrator not a real combat plane even for a tech demonstrator it's quite comprehensive.

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    Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  Militarov on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:06 pm



    X-2 "Shinshin"
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    Re: Japan's Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  Militarov on Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:08 am



    "Mitsubishi’s prototype X-2, also known as the Advanced Technology Demonstrator-X (ATD-X), serial 51-0001, appears to be close to making its first flight after video emerged of taxi trials today. Having been rolled out on July 12, 2014, the maiden flight has been a while in coming. With the F-15 being replaced by the F-22 in US Air Force service, the Raptor naturally became the preferred choice to succeed the F-15J in Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF) service too. However, a ban on export of the F-22 issued by US Congress prevented its acquisition even by America’s closest alleys. This forced Japan to initiate its own studies for a modern, ‘fifth-generation’ fighter, which could enter service as the F-3 after 2025. This was aided by experience gained with the Mitsubishi F-2 project, which has given Japanese aerospace industry the confidence to embark on such an ambitious project.

    The X-2 has been undergoing ground tests since its roll-out. It features a prominent canopy with at least the option to include a second crewmember in the cockpit. The next and probably most noticeable feature is a three-dimensional thrust-vectoring capability. Similar to the system used by the Rockwell X-31, thrust is controlled via three paddles on each engine nozzle."




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    Re: Japan's Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  Zivo on Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:58 am









    Weird, it has three paddle TVC like the X-31. My initial praises, it has twin engines, emphasis on maneuverability, and it looks really economical which is a big plus. My criticisms, the nose and inlets look too small.

    It doesn't fit that "six gen hype" the Japanese made, regardless, it'll be another interesting project to follow.
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    Re: Japan's Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:10 pm

    Zivo wrote:







    Weird, it has three paddle TVC like the X-31. My initial praises, it has twin engines, emphasis on maneuverability, and it looks really economical which is a big plus. My criticisms, the nose and inlets look too small.

    It doesn't fit that "six gen hype" the Japanese made, regardless, it'll be another interesting project to follow.

    It also looks like a very early proof of concept, the plane looks way too "light".
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    Re: Japan's Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:31 am

    Japan Successfully Tests Fifth Generation Stealth Jet

    Japan has successfully carried out the first test of its stealth jet.

    TOKYO (Sputnik) – The plane took off from Nagoya Airfield (Komaki Airport) in Aichi Prefecture at around 08:50 a.m. local time on Friday (23:50 GMT on Thursday) and landed safely at Gifu Air Field in Gifu Prefecture at 09:13 a.m. (00:13 GMT), Defense Ministry Program Manager Hirofumi Doi told Bloomberg by phone.

    Japan is now the fourth nation, after the United States, Russia and China to test fly its own stealth jet.

    The plane cost about $366 million to develop, according to Japan’s Defense Ministry. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. led the developers' team.

    According to Doi, the ministry will study data from the Friday test flight and decide on further developments of the fifth generation stealth fighter.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160422/1038420111/japan-tests-fifthgen-jet.html#ixzz46XRPMdzF


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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:15 pm

    What is this crap? This looks more like a jet trainer than an air superiority fighter. Joke. Even F-35 looks competent next to this.
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    Re: Japan's Mitsubishi ATD-X experimental aircraft

    Post  Isos on Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:04 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:What is this crap? This looks more like a jet trainer than an air superiority fighter. Joke. Even F-35 looks competent next to this.

    lol!



    It can be more compared to Corean T-50 than russian T-50
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