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    Billion-euro fund to be unveiled during Putin Italy visit

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:25 am

    Italy is turning into a serious partner...

    Italy will be eyeing Russian cash for its crisis-hit economy as President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Enrico Letta hold a meeting on Tuesday where they will unveil a 1-billion-euro ($1.4-billion) joint investment fund.
    And this is a interesting new development

    Another agreement - the first of its kind for a European Union country - would give Italian companies preferential customs treatment in Russia, it said.
    from here

    Billion-euro fund to be unveiled at Putin-Letta talks
    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_11_26/Billion-euro-fund-to-be-unveiled-at-Putin-Letta-talks-3623/

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    The Italian case

    Post  redgiacomo on Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:33 pm

    Hi guys! Hannibal Barca asked me a pair of questions about my country and he suggested me to open a new Topic.

    The questions were: "What the people are thinking? Do they love West? USA? NATO? What do they think now with the crisis?"

    Please forgive my barbaric english.

    so... in Italy we have lot of opinions about this topic, because Italy was:
    - An important fascist country, so we have lot of men and women from the traditional right wing (PDL of Berlusconi, fascists parties like Casapound and Forza nuova ecc..) and nowadays the 15% of the italians vote for those parties.

    -and an important left wing nation. Italy was the wastern country with the biggest Communist Party (with a pool of 40-50% during the cold war), and also during ww2 lot of fighters ("partigliani2) joined a communist guerrilla.
    The left wing tradition died after the cold war, and was transferred in a pro-USA and pro-EU party called PD. Lot of italian communists rejected their idea after the fall of the soviet union (also couse of the propaganda of the media) and became supporters of PD, and of the NATO. Most of them just can't see an alternative to the neoliberal policy.

    The scenary has been very sad for many years, because almost every party was a puppet of the United States.
    Anyway 2 year ago there was an huge change, and nowadays many Italians have refused NATO and Europe and they vote for a new party, the "Movimento 5 Stelle".
    This party is against the "financial Europe" and seeks to change Italy, which was destroyed by the European policy.
    It is the only italian party that criticizes the United States and the NATO wars and I'm quite a supporter of this movement .
    However Movimento 5 Stelle is young and it’s having some problems with the Media controlled by the other parties, which defame the movement.
    The Movimento 5 Stelle controls the 19-30% of the electorate.
    Even if the MPs of the M5S are doing a great job ( they all are young guys), the traditional left and right wings have joined to face the new honest threat, and Matteo Renzi ( a criminal in my opinion) from PD is the new PM.
    therefore our government is pro-EU and pro-NATO,but many people will no longer tolerate the crisis and the unsuitability of the current government, and I hope for a change bigger than the Movimento 5 Stelle.



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    Re: The Italian case

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:39 pm

    If a referendum have been organized next week what percentages you would expect to get for:
    -leaving Euro or not
    -leaving EU or not
    -leaving NATO or not

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    Re: The Italian case

    Post  redgiacomo on Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:11 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:If a referendum have been organized next week what percentages you would expect to get for:
    -leaving Euro or not
    -leaving EU or not
    -leaving NATO or not

    That's an interesting question. I think that lot of people in the sud would support these initiatives, but overall:

    Leaving euro: 30%
    Leaving Eu:25/30%

    to leave NATO is a different situation. I think that many students will agree with this referendum, but, as i said,in Italy lot of people who criticize the United States do not see an alternative to NATO, because of the brainwashing done by the media.
    I think the outcome will be 25/40 %.
    But remember that if you asked the same thing 3 years ago the result of the referendum would have been:
    10%
    10%
    20%
    or something like that

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    Re: The Italian case

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:32 pm

    Thank you. The similarities with Greece are striking and I agree with your percentages about Italy.
    Greece's percentages might be slightly higher but I guess also 3 no cry
    The alternative thing is a major issue here as well.
    There are some differences though. For example in Greece there is a percentage of about 10-15% who very clearly and soberly want to break away from West something that in Italy is simply not there.

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    Re: The Italian case

    Post  redgiacomo on Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:36 am

    Yes it's a pity that the majority of the population doesn't understand what is really happening in our countries and in the world in general.
    The power of the media under this point of view it's determinant. But with all the media belonging to the "enemy" our struggle isn't lost, it's just slowed.
    In italy we are having some symptoms of awareness and every day I find some new group or association that is against NATO.
    The only big problem is that a large part of the "new generation" is stunned by the Media and they have not the sensibleness of what is happening. They don't care of politics and it's an hard to wake up those persons, but sometimes we had extraordinary results.
    A boy from my city, that 3 years ago was completely ignorante now it's the perfect anti-American Wink
    So maybe there is an hope for Italy Smile

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    Re: The Italian case

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:52 am

    Russia, Italy plan to start joint production of heavy helicopters

    - http://rbth.com/news/2015/06/10/russia_italy_plan_to_start_joint_production_of_heavy_helicopters_46809.html)

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    Re: The Italian case

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:10 am

    George1 wrote:Russia, Italy plan to start joint production of heavy helicopters

    - http://rbth.com/news/2015/06/10/russia_italy_plan_to_start_joint_production_of_heavy_helicopters_46809.html)

    Wat? Aren't Kazan and Rosvertol under sanctions currently?

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    Re: The Italian case

    Post  mutantsushi on Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:59 am

    I think that is under a previous existing contract, which is just being extended/concretized...
    (allowed by EU sanctions, although France "feels the need" to go above and beyond by breaking Mistral contract... which this deal clearly mocks)
    There already is JV producing AW139 in Moscow since 2012, AW189 is derivative of AW139,
    and they likely already signed open-ended contract allowing AW189 production before sanctions began,
    and are just now "firming it up" with numbers/purchase commitment...
    (it's not like this is a sudden, new need for offshore helicopters, they would have already discussed it prior to sanctions)

    Anyways... "heavy helicopters"... Rolling Eyes
    I mean, never mind Russia, ITALY operates EH101 and Chinook significantly above this AW189...


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    Re: The Italian case

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:22 am

    mutantsushi wrote:I think that is under a previous existing contract, which is just being extended/concretized...
    (allowed by EU sanctions, although France "feels the need" to go above and beyond by breaking Mistral contract)
    There already is JV producing AW139 in Moscow since 2012, AW189 is derivative of AW139,
    and they likely already signed open-ended contract allowing AW189 production before sanctions began,
    and are just now "firming it up" with numbers/purchase commitment...
    (it's not like this is a sudden, new need for offshore helicopters, they would have already discussed it prior to sanctions)

    Anyways... "heavy helicopters"...  Rolling Eyes
    I mean, never mind Russia, ITALY operates EH101 and Chinook significantly above this AW189...

    ...God forbid anyone dares to put it in the same class as the Mi-26! lol1


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    Re: The Italian case

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:28 am

    Moscow responds to allegations of interference in Italy's domestic affairs

    More:
    http://tass.com/politics/910478


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