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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:47 pm

    US Must Help Libya Control Territory Amid Daesh Rise

    US Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford said that even if Daesh insurgents operating in Libya are unable to sell oil as successfully as its affiliates in Iraq and Syria, Daesh could use local oil assets to generate revenue and "project military power."

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — The United States must help Libya hold its territory amid the Islamic State (ISIL or Daesh) terrorist group’s increased attacks on the country and its oil facilities, former US Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford said during a House Armed Services Committee hearing on Tuesday.

    "It will be important…to help a new Libyan government and to help it control territory and we will need to be ready to do that," Ford said adding that he is watching the developments in Tripoli "with concern."

    Ford warned that even if Daesh insurgents operating in Libya are unable to sell oil as successfully as its affiliates in Iraq and Syria, Daesh could use local oil assets to generate revenue and "project military power." The former ambassador added that the Daesh would use its space in Libya to create safe havens to plan attacks similar to Paris assaults.

    Last week, Daesh claimed responsibility for a vehicle that detonated near a military training camp in the northwestern Libyan city of Zliten, which killed some 70 people.

    During Tuesday’s hearing, former CIA Acting Director Michael Morell also warned that based on the current situation in Libya there is a high possibility of a blitzkrieg in the country similar to the one in Iraq.

    Libya has been in a state of turmoil since the Arab Spring protests in early 2011 which led to a civil war. The instability that has plagued Libya since then, including the western military backed overthrow of the country’s long-time leader Muammar Gaddafi, has helped numerous militant groups rise to power including Daesh.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/africa/20160112/1033020395/us-libya-daesh.html#ixzz3x80Gnibo


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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  short_fuze on Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:25 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    short_fuze wrote:BMPD has a report about a couple of supposed Libyan airforce Mig-23MPD attacking caliphate targets. There are reports that they flew from French territory, denied by the French. The aircraft and possibly some weapons appear to have been refurbished by Ukrainians. The yandex translation is a little confusing. Some of the text seems to suggest ISIS was involved in the attacks.

    Can anyone provide an accurate translation?

    Yandexed

    https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/bmpd.livejournal.com/1676270.html

    Original

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/1676270.html

    In Engrrish...

    http://aerohisto.blogspot.fr/

    Thanks. No mention of a Ukraine connection is this version. Who or what  is 'Libya Dawn'? The 'legitimate' Libyan government? Yet another brand name for a US proxy force? More digging needed.
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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:47 pm

    short_fuze wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    short_fuze wrote:BMPD has a report about a couple of supposed Libyan airforce Mig-23MPD attacking caliphate targets. There are reports that they flew from French territory, denied by the French. The aircraft and possibly some weapons appear to have been refurbished by Ukrainians. The yandex translation is a little confusing. Some of the text seems to suggest ISIS was involved in the attacks.

    Can anyone provide an accurate translation?

    Yandexed

    https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/bmpd.livejournal.com/1676270.html

    Original

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/1676270.html

    In Engrrish...

    http://aerohisto.blogspot.fr/

    Thanks. No mention of a Ukraine connection is this version. Who or what  is 'Libya Dawn'? The 'legitimate' Libyan government? Yet another brand name for a US proxy force? More digging needed.
    there is, since the guys who upgrade the Mig's were Ukrainian.
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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:50 pm

    US Government Undecided on Sending Military Forces to Libya to Fight Daesh

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160128/1033862991/carter-undecided-troops-lybia.html#ixzz3yZfh5YsX


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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:23 pm

    Italy Ready to Lead Libyan Crisis Resolution - Defense Minister

    Italy is ready to lead the effort in resolving the unstable situation in Libya, Italy's Defense Minister Roberta Pinotti said Wednesday.

    ROME (Sputnik) – While Libya's two rival governments are expected to form an interim unity government by as early as mid-February, the country remains plagued by violence and is home to the largest Daesh enclave outside of the Middle East.

    "Italy has always said that it is prepared to take on a leading role in the stabilization of Libya," Pinotti said live on the Italian La7 television channel. "There is a UN resolution, which states that the Libyan authorities can ask for help. If they do so, we are ready [to help]."

    Any military intervention in Libya must be approved by its authorities, Pinotti stressed, adding that the current situation has the potential to turn the country into another Somalia.

    Daesh has been increasing its presence in Libya, she warned, expressing hope that a unity government would be formed as soon as possible.

    Libya has been in a state of turmoil since its longtime leader Muammar Gaddafi was deposed and killed in 2011. Daesh, which is outlawed in many countries including Russia, seized a pocket of Libyan territory centered on Gaddafi's hometown of Sirte in November 2014.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160203/1034137152/italy-libyan-crisis-resolution.html#ixzz3z6hAl600


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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:53 am

    Libya Forms 13-Member Consensus Government - Reports

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160215/1034757949/libya-forms-consensus-government.html


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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  Militarov on Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:12 am

    "BREAKING: Serb diplomats killed in US Sabratha air strike

    There are unconfirmed reports that two kidnapped Serbian diplomats perished in the IS compound in Sabratha that was hit by US warplanes early this morning.



    Serbian embassy communications officer Sladjana Stankovic and a colleague Jovica Stepic were seized in last November when their vehicle was stopped west of Sabratha near the Talil Tourist village by gunmen.

    They had been travelling in a convoy which also contained the Serbian ambassador Oliver Potezica, whose vehicle escaped. At the time the Ghwell administration said that the diplomats had been travelling without authorisation from the Tripoli authorities."




    Source: https://www.libyaherald.com/2016/02/19/breaking-serb-diplomats-killed-in-us-sabratha-air-strike-report/
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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:13 pm

    Same news, from RT

    https://www.rt.com/news/333082-us-raid-libya-serbians-killed/

    @Militarov, PapaDragon: My sincere condolences to your country.
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    Post  Militarov on Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:23 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Same news, from RT

    https://www.rt.com/news/333082-us-raid-libya-serbians-killed/

    @Militarov, PapaDragon: My sincere condolences to your country.

    More on Serbian diplomats that died in US airstrike:





    18+ Photos:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbnxruNW4AAJJwa.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbnxsUlWEAEUKkl.jpg

    Serbs in Tripoli retrieving bodies of the kidnapped embassy staff killed in USAF airstrike:





    Source: https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/700980271773052928

    Reposted this from Serbian news thread, not many ppl visit those.

    Ty man, people here are quite filled with rage, our gov just signed certain cooperation and mutal understanding agreements with NATO and today this... Great allies and "friends", with them, not sure if we need any kind of enemies.
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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:45 pm

    USAF bombing embassy staff, with Serbs being on the wrong side of the bombing...could of swore I heard this story before.
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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:31 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Same news, from RT

    https://www.rt.com/news/333082-us-raid-libya-serbians-killed/

    @Militarov, PapaDragon: My sincere condolences to your country.

    Thank you.

    This unbelievable, kidnapped by ISIS an then killed by USA in the end.

    Do those morons ever think before shooting or does their life expectancy somehow reduce unless they blow something up?

    What was so urgent to bomb in that backwater that couldn not wait for some basic checkup? Like they are some bomb-vampires or something...

    Angry as sh*t ATM.


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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  short_fuze on Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:49 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:Same news, from RT

    https://www.rt.com/news/333082-us-raid-libya-serbians-killed/

    @Militarov, PapaDragon: My sincere condolences to your country.

    Thank you.

    This unbelievable, kidnapped by ISIS an then killed by USA in the end.

    Do those morons ever think before shooting or does their life expectancy somehow reduce unless they blow something up?

    What was so urgent to bomb in that backwater that couldn not wait for some basic checkup? Like they are some bomb-vampires or something...

    Angry as sh*t ATM.


    The US forces are renowned for 'shoot first, ask questions later'. This attitude isn't helped by the use of gungho National Guard pilots. A lot of the coalition deaths in Afghanistan for example were the so-called 'friendly fire' from US goons. The 'Collateral Murder' leaked video from Iraq 2007 is a fine example of the US mentality in action.





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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:47 pm



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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  Bolt on Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:45 am

    RIP to the killed Serbians. Sad

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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:48 am

    If those hostages had been citizens of a western country they would have tried to rescue them instead of just bombing the whole thing.
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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  Militarov on Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:23 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:If those hostages had been citizens of a western country they would have tried to rescue them instead of just bombing the whole thing.

    Serbs are not worthy of rescue operation judging by NATO.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:58 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:If those hostages had been citizens of a western country they would have tried to rescue them instead of just bombing the whole thing.

    Serbs are not worthy of rescue operation judging by NATO.
    And yet the Serbian government wants to join the EU and the NATO. Do they think that the West will see Serbs as their equals if Serbia joins the EU and the NATO?

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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  short_fuze on Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:35 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:If those hostages had been citizens of a western country they would have tried to rescue them instead of just bombing the whole thing.

    Serbs are not worthy of rescue operation judging by NATO.
    And yet the Serbian government wants to join the EU and the NATO. Do they think that the West will see Serbs as their equals if Serbia joins the EU and the NATO?

    All non-US NATO members are expendable. From the start, the intent was to force the then USSR to target closer threats leaving the US unharmed. That changed somewhat when ICBMs came along but the principle still holds. The other important aspect is mandatory US weapons purchases to keep the US MIC alive.
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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  auslander on Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:02 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:Same news, from RT

    https://www.rt.com/news/333082-us-raid-libya-serbians-killed/

    @Militarov, PapaDragon: My sincere condolences to your country.

    Thank you.

    This unbelievable, kidnapped by ISIS an then killed by USA in the end.

    Do those morons ever think before shooting or does their life expectancy somehow reduce unless they blow something up?

    What was so urgent to bomb in that backwater that couldn not wait for some basic checkup? Like they are some bomb-vampires or something...

    Angry as sh*t ATM.


    You have our deepest condolences for this tragic and senseless loss.
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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:05 pm

    Libyan Troops Reclaim Key Port From Daesh

    The Libyan army has regained a strategic port near Libya’s second-largest city of Benghazi from Daesh jihadists, Arabic media reported Sunday, citing the Libyan military press service.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Troops launched an assault on Daesh positions in the port of Mreisa some 15 miles southwest of Benghazi, which served as an arms and ammunition supply point for the Islamist fighters, according to the Erem News online publication.

    One of the extremists’ leaders and an undisclosed number of fighters have been killed in the operation.

    The Libyan armed forces lost at least 30 troops during the advance, dubbed "The Blood of Martyrs," in and around Benghazi.

    Daesh has gained a foothold in the North African state after the 2011 toppling of long-time Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and subsequent political and security turmoil.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/africa/20160221/1035135377/libya-troops-port-daesh.html#ixzz40obSrYE8


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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  Militarov on Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:01 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:If those hostages had been citizens of a western country they would have tried to rescue them instead of just bombing the whole thing.

    Serbs are not worthy of rescue operation judging by NATO.
    And yet the Serbian government wants to join the EU and the NATO. Do they think that the West will see Serbs as their equals if Serbia joins the EU and the NATO?

    Serbs lack financial stability of Western countries, and that drives them towards EU, NATO and similar organisations, even more politicians. Majority of population supports Russia, however if you ask them would you join some Euroasian organisaton or European Union, you would get in 85% of cases answer EU, because they want to gtfo from Serbia and go work in Germany, France, UK, Italy, Austria... And our politicians think that NATO and EU see us as equal, which is rarely the case.
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    Post  Militarov on Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:05 pm

    Serbian prime minister Vučić, claims that after talks with "American" officials he was reassured by them that NATO officers did not know about Serbian hostages in bombed facility.

    And that is it. Our Great Leader Vučić said the word. Now whole thing is to be forgotten. Amen.

    Source: http://mondo.rs/a877572/Info/Srbija/Oteti-Srbi-ubijeni-Vucic-razgovarao-sa-americkim-zvanicnicima.html
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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  Militarov on Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:01 pm

    "An airplane carrying the remains of Serbian citizens Sladjana Stankovic and Jovica Stepic landed at Belgrade's Nikola Tesla Airport at 19:25 CET on Tuesday. Stankovic and Stepic were employees of the Serbian embassy in Tripoli, Libya. The bodies were first flown from Libya to Istanbul aboard a Maltese airplane.

    State broadcaster RTS is reporting that the autopsy documents issued by Libyan authorities do not list the cause of death, but rather enumerate and describe the injuries sustained by the victims. New autopsies will be performed in Belgrade. Stankovic and Stepic were kidnapped from a convoy of diplomatic vehicles in Sabratha, Libya, last November, and were held hostage until February 19, when they died during an air strike carried out by the United States, targeting an Islamic State site near the town. Earlier in the day, Serbian Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic announced that the aircraft transporting the bodies would be touching down in Belgrade in the evening, and pointed out to "the enormous efforts that have been made for the plane to take off from Tripoli."

    "Our company did not get permission for overflight. All day we worked on it, the Libyan government was offering its plane, we wanted to send ours, we were not allowed neither," Dacic has been quoted as saying by Tanjug. He "added that only during the night permission was received to engage a plane to transfer the bodies to Istanbul, from where they will be delivered to Serbia on a regular flight to Belgrade." Dacic also said that "those who abducted and killed them" are guilty for the deaths of Stankovic and Stepic.



    In reference to the November kidnapping, the minister said that "our diplomats had no permission to leave Tripoli, procedures were not respected." But he spoke against the introduction of "red herrings" and rejected the claims that "arms trade" was taking place. "They certainly did not trade in arms," Dacic stressed. "If procedures had been followed, it certainly would not have come to this," he added, noting that a working group and state organs would "determine all the circumstances." Dacic also said that Serbia is seeking an investigation into whether the U.S. knew that the Serbian nationals were at the site targeted by the air strike. "The Americans say that they did not know, but give us the evidence - our services say that they had informed them," Dacic said, adding, "obviously a mistake was made."



    Speaking about the two killed embassy staffers, Dacic said: "They would be alive if they had not been killed in the air strike." Dacic also announced that Serbia's ambassador in Tripoli will be "withdrawn" and added that the possible closure of the embassies in Syria and Tunisia should also be "seriously considered - bearing in mind a lot of are people are there, and there are also economic interests."


    Source: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=02&dd=23&nav_id=97135
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    Re: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)

    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:20 am

    Doom and Gloom: Libya Imploding Into Chaos Five Years After NATO Bombings

    Five years after NATO bombings of Libya ousted the country’s veteran ruler Muammar Gaddafi and left the once-prosperous country in ruins, the North African state is being turned into a terrorist stronghold and is facing a possible military invasion by the West.

    The country is also facing a growing threat from Daesh, which is looking to capitalize on the lack of political stability and political infighting.

    While the UN is trying to restart the political process in Libya, Western airstrikes on “terrorist targets” have resumed and chances of a full-scale ground invasion by US-led coalition forces look high.

    After five years of “democratic reforms” Libya is plagued by instability and civil war. Battles for control of the country’s main cities between militias loyal to two rival governments in Tripoli and Tobruk have internally displaced hundreds of thousands of Libyans.

    Meanwhile, a political and security vacuum in the country has allowed Daesh to gain a strong foothold on the shores of the Mediterranean and amass a force of more than 6,000 fighters.

    Decimated by Russian airstrikes in Syria, the jihadists started looking for a new base and the war-torn Libya may become a perfect choice.

    If most of Libya falls into the terrorists’ hands Europe would face a new wave of refugees.

    “There are about 2.4 million internally displaced people and foreign refugees in Libya and these people desperately need humanitarian assistance, UN deputy special envoy to Libya, Ali Al-Zaatari, said, adding that all these people could start moving towards Europe any time now.

    Even worse, Libya could become a Daesh hinterland and a jumping-off ground for attacks on its neighbors. It could also pose a terrorist threat to and even an invasion of Western Europe.

    Small wonder that Western strategists are now seriously mulling a ground operation in Libya with “unofficial” French, British and US commando units already on the ground there.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/africa/20160319/1036585647/libya-nato-chaos-.html#ixzz43iDkqDM5


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    Libyan Civil War (2014-present)

    Post  Aristonicus on Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:18 pm

    Libya - Tribes, Militia, Interests And Intervention

    by Richard Galustian

    It is something that had never happened in any country since the formation of the United Nations. The UN has, without an election, created unilaterally its own government for a country, and then immediately recognized it. The Government of National Accord, the GNA for Libya is a government based in exile and not elected but chosen by the "International Community".

    A concerted effort over Easter for the GNA in exile in Tunis to 'take power' in Tripoli failed completely despite the spin and false optimism of the UN and the U.S. and UK in particular.

    Let's rewind a little.

    The recent United Nations plan to bring peace to Libya and eliminate ISIS was/is a two stage process fraught with great risk, uncertainty and is poorly thought out.

    First is to persuade Libya’s factions to unite under a Government, the GNA while it is in exile. Second, to provide weapons, training and air support for a newly united Libyan army to attack ISIS.

    These are totally unrealistic expectations that will never happen.

    The background needs to be understood. The critical fact being that Libya’s main factions are divided into two very loose camps.

    One camp supports the elected parliament, the House of Representatives (HoR) in Tobruk. The other is made up of the previous parliament, the General National Congress (GNC) and supports 'Libya Dawn', an Islamist-led coalition of militias that include the extremist elements of the Muslim Brotherhood and former Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) revolutionaries. The LIFG is an al-Qaeda offshoot.

    Civil war began in July 2014 when 'Libya Dawn' seized Tripoli by force after the elections saw sharp losses for the Muslim Brotherhood and its Islamist allies including notably former leader of the LIFG, the infamous Abdel Hakim Belhadj, currently suing in the London Courts the then Foreign Minister and MI-6.

    The HoR won international recognition straight after the UN announced its election was free and fair, but under intimidation (that's when Islamists destroyed Tripoli International Airport etc) from militias, the HoR fled east to Tobruk.

    To further complicate the situation one must realize that within these two camps are a lattice work of rivalries and tribal divisions.

    Libya has no ‘third force’ of police or army acceptable to all sides. The militias are the third force! Essentially they represents 'guns for hire'. The army and police are first and second.

    The problem for the international community is while destroying ISIS is their stated priority, both Libya’s rival camps see each other as the greater threat. ISIS is a threat, but neither camp believes it is an existential threat, so the priority for both camps is fighting each other.


    1 ISIS in Libya
    1.1 In Derna,1.2 In Sirte,1.3 In Sabratha
    2 Tobruk (HoR) Government Forces
    2.1 Regular forces, 2.2 Petroleum Facilities Guard, 2.3 Zintan + Warshefa militias
    3 'Libya Dawn'
    3.1 'Libya Dawn' - Pro GNA militias, 3.2 'Libya Dawn' - Anti-GNA militias
    4 Prospect of a Divided Country
    5 Deployment of International Military Forces
    6 Divisions among Outside Powers
    7 Military Training
    8 Other Factors
    8.1 Sanctions - stop and search ships and planes, 8.2 Muslim Brotherhood, 8.3 Libyan Institutions, 8.4 Benghazi
    Conclusion

    Link: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/03/richard-galustian-on-libya.html#more

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