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    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:17 pm

    Putin, Macron support crisis resolution in Libya


    The leaders have expressed support for political and diplomatic efforts, namely those mediated by the UN and Germany

    MOSCOW, January 3. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin and French President Emmanuel Macron have expressed support for peaceful crisis resolution in Libya, namely with the aid of the UN and Germany, the Kremlin press service informed on Friday on the outcomes of a phone call between both leaders.

    "During the discussion of the situation in Libya, Vladimir Putin and Emmanuel Macron have expressed support for peaceful crisis resolution in this state (Libya - TASS). They have expressed support for political and diplomatic efforts, namely those mediated by the UN and Germany," the message informed.

    The sides have also exchanged opinions on Syria, with Putin informing Macron on the implementation of Russian-Turkish regulations on the northeastern part of the country and Idlib. Both leaders have stressed the importance of joint efforts aimed to combat terrorism, highlighting the importance of promoting the inter-Syrian political process and providing humanitarian aid to the civilian population.

    There currently are two governments in Libya: the internationally recognized Government of National Accord (GNA) headed by Fayez al-Sarraj, which is headquartered in the country’s capital of Tripoli, and Abdullah al-Thani’s cabinet based in the country’s east, which has the support of the Libyan National Army (LNA) led by Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar.

    On December 12, Haftar announced the launch of a crucial offensive aimed at taking control of the country’s capital. The LNA has repeatedly stated that it would oppose any foreign interference in Libya’s domestic affairs and threatened to sink ships and shoot down cargo aircraft carrying military aid from Turkey.

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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:13 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:
    par far wrote:"Turkey To Deploy Forces In Libya Within Two Days – Report."

    Am I the only one that thinks, that this will end badly for Turkey.

    https://southfront.org/turkey-to-deploy-forces-in-libya-within-two-days-report/

    It will be a drama for them if they sent their army , i guess they gonna use some terrorists to fight for them to avoid high losses in turkish army .

    Please understand that they will not be terrorists, they will be freedom loving souls in search of a bit R&R in the sun and sand of the beaches of Libya. This is a winter holiday Smile
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    Post  ahmedfire on Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:23 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:
    par far wrote:"Turkey To Deploy Forces In Libya Within Two Days – Report."

    Am I the only one that thinks, that this will end badly for Turkey.

    https://southfront.org/turkey-to-deploy-forces-in-libya-within-two-days-report/

    It will be a drama for them if they sent their army , i guess they gonna use some terrorists to fight for them to avoid high losses in turkish army .

    Please understand that they will not be terrorists, they will be freedom loving souls in search of a bit R&R in the sun and sand of the beaches of Libya. This is a winter holiday Smile

    That's CNN Twisted Evil
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:59 pm

    Egyptian navy today's maneuver in the mediterranean , Ka-52 with Apache on Mistral .

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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:38 pm

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:45 am

    Nice.

    Interesting they tie down light anti aircraft vehicles in each corner of the deck to add to the air defence capacity of the vessel.

    With the tie down points I wonder if they have electrical connections there too, so the vehicle doesn't need to run its motor all the time.

    Would be interesting to use Tunguska in such a role as its combination of guns and missiles would make it rather more potent, though their might be issues with EM interference with its search and tracking radars. Perhaps a compromise where the vehicle is a towed trailer mount that is simplified and cheaper without its search radar and with only a small engine to move it around when needed... a cable combining electrical power from the ship to the mount could include a fibre optic cable providing a link to the combat system so in effect it would become a node with the ship itself being the command module handing off targets its search radars detect so each module uses its own tracking radar and missiles and guns to deal with targets managed from the ship... you could plug in as many add on systems as you liked as well as the core systems built in to the ship...

    Interesting.
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:16 am

    GarryB wrote:Nice.

    Interesting they tie down light anti aircraft vehicles in each corner of the deck to add to the air defence capacity of the vessel.

    With the tie down points I wonder if they have electrical connections there too, so the vehicle doesn't need to run its motor all the time.

    Would be interesting to use Tunguska in such a role as its combination of guns and missiles would make it rather more potent, though their might be issues with EM interference with its search and tracking radars. Perhaps a compromise where the vehicle is a towed trailer mount that is simplified and cheaper without its search radar and with only a small engine to move it around when needed... a cable combining electrical power from the ship to the mount could include a fibre optic cable providing a link to the combat system so in effect it would become a node with the ship itself being the command module handing off targets its search radars detect so each module uses its own tracking radar and missiles and guns to deal with targets managed from the ship... you could plug in as many add on systems as you liked as well as the core systems built in to the ship...

    Interesting.

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    The Humvee-based vehicles carry up to eight FIM-92 Stinger anti-air missiles and also have an M3P .50-caliber machine gun ,  Russia is still holding discussions with Egypt over over outfit of the Mistral , i guess  two 3M-47 Gibka turrets with Igla-S missiles and two AK-630 rotary cannons would be great.

    a cable combining electrical power from the ship to the mount could include a fibre optic cable providing a link to the combat system so in effect it would become a node with the ship itself being the command module handing off targets its search radars detect so each module uses its own tracking radar and missiles and guns to deal with targets managed from the ship

    That's a good point , thanks .
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:46 pm

    GarryB wrote:Nice.

    Interesting they tie down light anti aircraft vehicles in each corner of the deck to add to the air defence capacity of the vessel.

    With the tie down points I wonder if they have electrical connections there too, so the vehicle doesn't need to run its motor all the time.

    I expect they will just run jumper cables along the deck from nearby distribution panels.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:33 am

    The Humvee-based vehicles carry up to eight FIM-92 Stinger anti-air missiles and also have an M3P .50-caliber machine gun , Russia is still holding discussions with Egypt over over outfit of the Mistral , i guess two 3M-47 Gibka turrets with Igla-S missiles and two AK-630 rotary cannons would be great.

    Certainly organic air defence systems would be sensible, but a trailer based TOR system could be an option too... both on the vessel and in place of those Humvee vehicles too... they could be trailer mounts towed out there by a light vehicle used to tow aircraft, and cable tied in.... plug them in to the power supply and wireless link to the air defence network of the ship. Four mounts... one on each corner of the deck could have the tracking radars, the wireless connection provides target data via the main ship search radar, and you could place extra launch bins in empty corners of the deck that just hold missiles ready to fire with power cables and a wireless link... you could have as many missiles ready to fire as you need... the missiles themselves are cheap command guided weapons with no terminal seeker, but are rather accurate and designed to hit munitions and missiles as well as aircraft...
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:43 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The Humvee-based vehicles carry up to eight FIM-92 Stinger anti-air missiles and also have an M3P .50-caliber machine gun ,  Russia is still holding discussions with Egypt over over outfit of the Mistral , i guess  two 3M-47 Gibka turrets with Igla-S missiles and two AK-630 rotary cannons would be great.

    Certainly organic air defence systems would be sensible, but a trailer based TOR system could be an option too... both on the vessel and in place of those Humvee vehicles too... they could be trailer mounts towed out there by a light vehicle used to tow aircraft, and cable tied in.... plug them in to the power supply and wireless link to the air defence network of the ship. Four mounts... one on each corner of the deck could have the tracking radars, the wireless connection provides target data via the main ship search radar, and you could place extra launch bins in empty corners of the deck that just hold missiles ready to fire with power cables and a wireless link... you could have as many missiles ready to fire as you need... the missiles themselves are cheap command guided weapons with no terminal seeker, but are rather accurate and designed to hit munitions and missiles as well as aircraft...

    I doubt it's that easy to integrate completely different sea and land systems together nevermind those made by different countries altogether.

    And a TOR will be even more trouble as it is seperate from NATO standards.
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    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:41 am

    Recep Tayyip Erdogan: Turkey has begun deploying troops to Libya for “coordination and stability,” , Very Happy

    Well we don't know when , where and what kind of forces he sent ,there is no even a photo for the slodiers or hardware , so i guess he is still depending on his terrorists from syria .
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:00 am

    ahmedfire wrote:Recep Tayyip Erdogan: Turkey has begun deploying troops to Libya for “coordination and stability,” , Very Happy

    Well we don't know when , where and what kind of forces he sent ,there is no even a photo for the slodiers or hardware , so i guess he is still depending on his terrorists from syria .

    He said no ground forces but mainly specialist and they will use non turkish fighter so those from idlib.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:12 pm

    I doubt it's that easy to integrate completely different sea and land systems together nevermind those made by different countries altogether.

    And a TOR will be even more trouble as it is seperate from NATO standards.

    Well they were going to fit Russian weapons to this ship, so it wouldn't be impossible... some sort of interface hardware and software should solve the problem... passing target data to the mounts and enabling it to respond to the command system shouldn't be that hard.

    They all speak the same language.... the language of maths.

    He said no ground forces but mainly specialist and they will use non turkish fighter so those from idlib.

    Sounds like he has worked out a way of using some of his terrorists up... Yemen next?
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:24 pm

    There is no need to integrate them. Tor has its own search radar and tracking radar and missiles in one vehicle. For self defence there no need of more.

    This system made of manpad is totally useless. I would fear in danger if this was the only air defence system protecting my ship.


    Sounds like he has worked out a way of using some of his terrorists up... Yemen next?

    Nope. Mostly come back to Turkey because Haftar, Egypt ... are ready for them.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:40 pm



    H. Sumeri
    ‏ @IraqiSecurity
    18h18 hours ago

    #Turkey sending troops to #Libya is more serious than people think.

    Libya is now the scene for a proxy war being fought out between the Turks + Qatar (aiding the UN-backed Islamist GNA) & Egypt, Saudi + UAE (backing warlord General Khalifa Haftar).

    Further escalation coming.


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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:40 pm

    Russia should find a way to slither out of this one silently
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    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:39 pm

    Libyan National Army gains control of third largest district in Libya’s Sirte


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    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:45 pm

    Again , turkish vehicles are captured by LNA , thanks turkey Laughing

    https://twitter.com/MLNA27/status/1214255208106254338
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    Post  Dima on Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:00 pm

    I'm amazed at peoples reaction here and on Twitter regarding Turkey's involvement in Libya. Why are people even bothered about Turkey sending men and material to Libya. Turkey sending more "men" to Libya is good news for Syria.

    I hope Russia is motivating Turkey even more, so that all the terrorists inside Syria is shipped back to Libya. It will help in faster liberation and cleansing Syria of NATO Jihadis.

    Remember that, the Syrian situation went worse after NATO Jihadis started arriving from Libya to Syria once their "main work" was over in Libya.
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    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:37 pm

    Dima wrote:I'm amazed at peoples reaction here and on Twitter regarding Turkey's involvement in Libya. Why are people even bothered about Turkey sending men and material to Libya. Turkey sending more "men" to Libya is good news for Syria.

    I hope Russia is motivating Turkey even more, so that all the terrorists inside Syria is shipped back to Libya. It will help in faster liberation and cleansing Syria of NATO Jihadis.

    Remember that, the Syrian situation went worse after NATO Jihadis started arriving from Libya to Syria once their "main work" was over in Libya.

    No , if turkey controlled libya , they will have more resources "money and men" to fund the terrorists in syria .
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    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:32 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Russia should find a way to slither out of this one silently

    I think Russia should create conditions for Turkey to bleed as much as possible in Libya.

    On the one hand, they should encourage Erdogan to send both the Syrian jihadis and the Turkish army to go to Libya, on the other hand they should supply Haftar's army with all the weapons it needs via Egypt (with money coming from the Saudis of course).
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    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:35 pm

    Dima wrote:I'm amazed at peoples reaction here and on Twitter regarding Turkey's involvement in Libya. Why are people even bothered about Turkey sending men and material to Libya. Turkey sending more "men" to Libya is good news for Syria.

    I hope Russia is motivating Turkey even more, so that all the terrorists inside Syria is shipped back to Libya. It will help in faster liberation and cleansing Syria of NATO Jihadis.

    Remember that, the Syrian situation went worse after NATO Jihadis started arriving from Libya to Syria once their "main work" was over in Libya.

    x2

    To the last bolded part: "The chicken will come home to roost"
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    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:41 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:
    Dima wrote:I'm amazed at peoples reaction here and on Twitter regarding Turkey's involvement in Libya. Why are people even bothered about Turkey sending men and material to Libya. Turkey sending more "men" to Libya is good news for Syria.

    I hope Russia is motivating Turkey even more, so that all the terrorists inside Syria is shipped back to Libya. It will help in faster liberation and cleansing Syria of NATO Jihadis.

    Remember that, the Syrian situation went worse after NATO Jihadis started arriving from Libya to Syria once their "main work" was over in Libya.

    No , if turkey controlled libya , they will have more resources "money and men" to fund the terrorists in syria .

    Egypt should make sure Turkey fails to achieve its objectives by arming, equipping and training Haftar's forces. Geography is on Egypt's side: You have a border with Libya while Turkey does not.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:31 am

    flamming_python wrote:Russia should find a way to slither out of this one silently

    Nah

    This one is low risk-high payoff situation

    Keep doing what you're doing and pass the popcorn


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