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    Post  Isos on Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:11 pm

    US have no interest in Lybia, since always. They just hated Gaddafhi because he tried hated them and bought weapons from soviets.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:17 pm

    So I wonder what is being transported out of there?

    Marines?

    https://southfront.org/u-s-marines-evacuate-personnel-from-tripoli-as-libyan-army-advances-towards-capital-video/
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:22 pm

    US have no interest in Lybia, since always. They just hated Gaddafhi because he tried hated them and bought weapons from soviets.
    BS. He kicked them out of air base & kept them & the oil monopolies out.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheelus_Air_Base#United_States_withdrawal

    Algeria, Egypt & India bought more Soviet/Russian weapons; Libya has lots of high quality oil, & that explains everything.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:03 pm

    LNA forces have seized the airport again and have taken Bat 42 and Al sawani.

    They are advancing rapidly then again they have to, the LNA cannot afford a long drawn out fight.

    Still they have yet to reach the main outskirts of Triploi, if the GNA doesn't surrender, the LNA will have a HAAAAAAAAAAAAARD time seizing the city if they can even get that far and then do it remains to be seen.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:10 pm

    LNA's T-55 after recapturing GNA's 4th brigade camp in Al-Aziziyah some 40 km south of Tripoli.

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    Post  nomadski on Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:44 pm


    Sometimes it may not be clear , who is right and who is wrong . In these cases , then take no sides . But offer the Libyan people a better deal than the western states . We get ahead , because we offer a better deal . More benefits . No political strings . Win friends by making peace , security , democracy . This is more important than selling weapons or winning some contract at the expense of the Libyan people . People will remember their friends . For generations .
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:26 pm

    And just now several Twitter accounts report that LNA has shot down GNA's L-39 on a way from Misrata to Tripoli.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:16 am

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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:55 pm

    Earlier in the morning LNA captured T-55 from GNA in Misrata:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1116331450469625856

    And destroyed another one at Al Sawani south of Tripoli:

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:04 pm

    Entire LNA 8TH Battalion surrenders to GNA.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:21 pm

    IMO, Libya may be partitioned after Haftar's death:
    https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/04/article/france-backed-commander-moves-on-tripoli/#
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:37 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:IMO, Libya may be partitioned after Haftar's death:
    https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/04/article/france-backed-commander-moves-on-tripoli/#

    Maybe but I doubt it, if he captures Tripoli then for sure it will never happen, still the clock is ticking for that one.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:15 am

    France blocks EU call to stop Haftar's offensive in Libya
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    BRUSSELS (Reuters) - France on Wednesday blocked a European Union statement calling on Khalifa Haftar to halt his eastern forces’ offensive in Libya, diplomatic sources said, in the latest example of how the bloc’s internal divisions have undercut its global sway.

    The draft statement, seen by Reuters, would have said that the military attack launched by Haftar on Tripoli was “endangering the civilian population, disrupting the political process and risks further escalation with serious consequences for Libya and the wider region, including the terrorist threat.”

    Thousands of residents fled on Wednesday as Haftar’s forces - called the Libyan National Army (LNA) - and troops loyal to the Tripoli government battled on the outskirts of Libya’s capital.

    France and Italy disagree on how to handle the latest escalation in the troubled north African country.

    France, which has oil assets in eastern Libya, has provided military assistance in past years to Haftar in his eastern stronghold, Libyan and French officials say..

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-libya-security-eu/france-blocks-eu-call-to-stop-haftars-offensive-in-libya-idUKKCN1RM2WN

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    Is there anyone who still doubts France is behind this? I also noticed the leader of Sudan was overthrown in a coup, I wonder if France had something to do with that.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:48 am

    I don't get why you are fighting over Lybia. This country didn't interest anyone since ever. Italy didn't care before french wanted it (for the little petrol it has).

    USSR wasn't interest by it. They sold some weapons but nothing more. US neither.

    France and EU want petrol and stop boats with migrants from there. Politicaly, contrary to Egypt where Russia tries to come back, Lybia has nothing to bring to anyone.

    Sudan is the same. Another dictator that will deal with everyone so that he can stay at power will become the new "elected president". And I doubt we have something with foreign intervention. Poeple didn't want him anymore and the army took the opportunity to make a coup. People will keep suffering.
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    Post  southpark on Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:45 am

    Does Russia have any interest in it? Sudan is probably more interesting than Libya for Russia though.....you are right though it does not offer a lot for France either other than not preferring to have another Euro power there...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:57 am

    Having bases in Libya will improve RF position in Africa & the Med. Sea. Keeping the oil wells out of terrorists grasp & Exxon won't hurt either.
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    Post  southpark on Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:14 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Having bases in Libya will improve RF position in Africa & the Med. Sea. Keeping the oil wells out of terrorists grasp & Exxon won't hurt either.

    I guess so...don't you think Sudan is more strategic even though possible choke on entry and exit as it is close to Saudi, Djibouti, Suez, Yemen and still can get into Africa? As fas as Med is concerned, they already have Syria presence.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:36 am

    Sudan won't hurt; OTH, who knows what regime will come there & how long it'll last? IMO bases in Egypt would be better.
    But Libya is just South of Italy, C. Europe & North of CAR where Russians have presence. With bases there, they could monitor all traffic & effectively close the C./E. Med. & Red Seas to any ship sailing from Gibraltar or the Indian Ocean.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:25 pm

    southpark wrote:Does Russia have any interest in it? Sudan is probably more interesting than Libya for Russia though.....you are right though it does not offer a lot for France either other than not preferring to have another Euro power there...


    Sudan is more about mineral extraction than military interests (potential bases in Sudan were just bonus) and even with change in government that stuff is going on as planned.

    Main event​ in Africa is Central African Republic, they are sitting or massive amount of gold with no chances of extracting it. That's where Russia comes in, they provide the tech and both sides profit.

    They still need to properly stabilize that place first and that's where military aspect comes in.

    Russian gold purchases have exceeded local production for the first time and now they are looking for additional sources. They are serious about fortifying economy and switching to gold.

    Libya is very good additional location for the Med (with Syria) so they will take it if they can. It's no longer considered premium real estate so that will make things easier.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:32 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Sudan won't hurt; OTH, who knows what regime will come there & how long it'll last? IMO bases in Egypt would be better.
    But Libya is just South of Italy, C. Europe & North of CAR where Russians have presence. With bases there, they could monitor all traffic & effectively close the C./E. Med. & Red Seas to any ship sailing from Gibraltar or the Indian Ocean.

    Lybia is far from europe, not stable, no military. Algeria is much closer, more stable and pro russian with a very good military. A base to monitor europe would be perfect there.

    A destroyed Lybia is nice from russian point of view as it impacts EU directly. In italia far right came to power because of that. In hungary too. And both gov are pro russian.

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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:10 pm

    To give the idea about yesterday's progress, here are few maps. Today the LNA started bombing position of islamists near Ain Zara in preparation for the final 20 km push.

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    The progress of operation Tripoli. Present situation, before the beginning and the course of action.

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    Video of unloading in Al Aziziyah yesterday (black dot on the last map), seen T-55, T-72 and BMD-1.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1116718319330037760

    LNA flying Mi-25 or Mi-35 against Tripoli Al-Qaeda affiliates.

    https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/1117000376614555648
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    Post  southpark on Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:45 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Sudan won't hurt; OTH, who knows what regime will come there & how long it'll last? IMO bases in Egypt would be better.
    But Libya is just South of Italy, C. Europe & North of CAR where Russians have presence. With bases there, they could monitor all traffic & effectively close the C./E. Med. & Red Seas to any ship sailing from Gibraltar or the Indian Ocean.

    Lybia is far from europe, not stable, no military. Algeria is much closer, more stable and pro russian with a very good military. A base to monitor europe would be perfect there.

    A destroyed Lybia is nice from russian point of view as it impacts EU directly. In italia far right came to power because of that. In hungary too. And both gov are pro russian.


    Ya, Russia probably wont take Libya seriously due to the costs with Libya being unstable atm. May have some tactical goals but really not much strategic imo. Combined NATO power and Isreal, it will not be easy to blockade the entry into Suez. CAR is purely economical or extremely long term as it is land locked. I think Western Sahara or Sudan will be more strategic with the former giving complete visibility into anything coming into med and the later powerful chess piece to watchover Saudi and make everyone nervous....Sudan will be resisted pretty hard by west but Libya could be an easy chance....Algeria would be nice but they wont offer unless they are sanctioned heavily and nothing to lose.

    LNA guy seems to be pretty friendly to France though....
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:38 pm

    Alo Azi was retaken by GNA
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:42 pm

    Breaking: Haftar in Moscow

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/04/confirmed-haftar-in-moscow-for-meeting-with-russian-ministry-of-defense-officials/
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    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:26 pm

    Nothing is going as planed. GNA are probably helped by US intel to surprise french advisors like that.



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    Inside a mi-35 over lybia. Nice video.
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