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    Dutch troops, weapons to Iraq.

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:21 pm

    http://www.nltimes.nl/2014/08/12/dutch-military-intervention-iraq-possible/

    Sources around the Cabinet tell De Telegraaf that The Netherlands is keeping the option to send military aid with America to Iraq. For now, the sources say that this is not likely as there has not been a request.

    Coalition parties are keeping all options open in the international struggle against ISIS at the source, including military action. Other forms of aid such as logistical support, proposed by the Cabinet, to the Americans, Brits and French to stop the spread of ISIS.

    According to De Telegraaf, MPs say that this kind of action is all possible, “everything is negotiable”, said MP for the PvdA Michiel Servaes. The VVD is also reportedly supportive of the possible move.

    The CDA is critical of Foreign Affairs Minister Timmermans, who will not say that the mass murder performed by ISIS on minorities is ‘genocide’. CDA MP Pieter Omtzigt believes that the categorization of ISIS’ actions in Iraq as specific genocide will be the only way to get the UN Security Council into movement.

    The CDA is joined by the PVV, SGP and CU in their plea for the Cabinet to go further in the fight against the terrorist organization.

    The SGP believes that The Netherlands should send its F-16′s to Iraq. The VVD does not believe that this is not yet applicable.

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    Dutch Kurds feared headed to Iraq.

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:31 pm

    http://www.nltimes.nl/2014/08/15/dutch-kurds-feared-headed-iraq/

    Kurdish organizations fear a rise in the number of Dutch Kurds traveling to Iraq to fight against jihadist insurgents there. This makes the number of Dutch nationals fighting against each other for different allegiances greater, the Algemeen Dagblad reports.

    These Dutch Kurds traveling to Iraq to fight voluntarily will not be criminally prosecuted in The Netherlands, according to the Public Prosecution Authority (OM). ‘Polder-jihadists’, on the other hand, Dutch people traveling abroad to join terrorist plots, can be prosecuted.

    “If you see what is happening in Iraq, you can’t just sit still”, says Zana Jabbari, president of the Kurdish Student Council in The Netherlands. Jabbari understands and predicts more and more Dutch Kurds will now travel to the region to join the Peshmerga army.

    ‘Peshmerga’ translates to ‘those who confront death’. It is an army fighting for independence of Kurdistan. Kurds in Iraq are suffering under the growth of terrorist organization IS, who is killing ethnic and religious groups in the area.

    Dutch people with interests lying in the conflict region are found not only to be fighting for the side of IS, then, but also Kurds in the Peshmerga army, and not only in Iraq, but also in Syria, according to Egid Korkmaz of the Federation of Kurds in The Netherlands. In the two regions, the Kurds are fighting for their Kurdish territory. The Algemeen Dagblad writes that the exact numbers of Dutch fighters in the region are unclear.

    To make it even more certain that Dutch nationals will confront each other on the battle-field, the AD writes that polder-jihadists not only fight for IS in Syria, but also for the radical group Jabhat al-Nusra.

    “We have not seen this before”, Peter Knoope of the INternational Center for Counter-Terrorism in The Hague tells the AD. He finds it “bizarre” and “sad” that Dutch people come face to face with each other at opposite sides of the struggle in different places overseas.

    “What plays out abroad, has an effect here as well”, Knoope says. The AD writes that conflicts fought abroad develop into tensions in The Netherlands has its place in history as well, just as it may be happening now. The Kurdish PKK was held responsible for a series of attacks on a Turkish-Islamic foundation in The Hague in 2012.

    For Korkmaz of the Federation of Kurds in The Netherlands, fighting each other in Iraq is not the right step. “I can understand that some pick up weapons, but we are pleading for the enforcement of international humanitarian action from The Netherlands.” According to Korkmaz, this is the only way to prevent the departure of Dutch Kurds.

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    No Dutch troops, weapons to Iraq.

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:33 pm

    The Netherlands will not send heavy weapons or ground troops to Iraq’s Kurdish fighters. In their fight against IS, the Kurdish troops will at most receive bulletproof vests or other light military material from The Netherlands, De Volkskrant reports.

    According to the paper, the Cabinet will come with an announcement about this later this week. The majority of Parliament is behind this stance for the Dutch government, sources in The Hague tell the paper.

    “I wouldn’t know which heavy weapons The Netherlands could supply, because we have already sold a heap of stuff”, says Jean Debie, president of the military labor union VBM.

    “To my knowledge, there is no weapons cache where we have a whole stock of hand weapons or munition, that would be suitable for the Kurds” Major General Kees Homan from Clingendael institute says.

    Specialists say that the weapons currently available to the Dutch to give to the Kurds would not be applicable. Heavy artillery such as howitzers and vehicles such as the CV90 require at least six months of training before they can be properly used. This is the reason that the British sent only older Soviet-era weapons to the Kurds until last week, because they are already familiar with these.

    De Volkskrant writes that the Kurds, and their Peshmerga army seem the only salvation left for Iraq and the struggle against IS. France, Italy and the Czech Republic are already sent weapons, and Great-Britain is doing so since Monday.

    The Netherlands’ possible armament of the Kurds has been under discussion since last Thursday. The main issue is what is available, and what could actually be useful to the fighter there. “Bullet-proof vests, night vision binoculars, that kind of stuff we do have”, says union president Debie. Transport planes are also possible. On monday, relief goods in the vein of blankets, food and water, were sent to the Kurdish capital Arbil from The Netherlands.

    Foreign Affairs minister Timmermans is now looking at further options. The Cabinet has no official plans yet for military involvement. Defense specialist Homan believes that The Netherlands should not fall behind, however, “if you look at how other countries undertake action.”

    Governing party VVD believes the time for waiting is done. “The Netherlands must wait no longer, but actively offer military aid”, MP Mark Verheijen says. According to De Volkskrant, Verheijen believes that The Netherlands has enough weapons and munition to share.

    The PvdA has been for the plan to arm the Kurds since last week. This does pertain to non-deadly military material such as bullet-proof vests, says MP Michiel Servaes. The paper writes that opposition parties SP, PVV, CDA and SGP are also pleading to send weapons.

    According to De Volkskrant, the chance that Dutch soldiers will appear on the frontline of the struggle is nil. Defense specialist Homan says “nobody is waiting for a repeat of a long-term adventure, like the previous war in Iraq or Afghanistan.”



    http://www.nltimes.nl/2014/08/19/dutch-troops-weapons-iraq/

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    Re: Dutch troops, weapons to Iraq.

    Post  Mike E on Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:19 pm

    Well, at least this will keep Dutch weapons out of ISIS hands! - We all know how "great" the west is at supplying weapons to ISIS fighters! (Aka, not at all. The weapons always seem to be "taken" by ISIS.....)

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    Dutch government to transport weapons and munition to Kurds.

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:55 pm

    The Dutch government will transport weapons and munition from eastern European countries to northern Iraq where they will be handed over to the Kurds, defence minister Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert said on Tuesday.

    The weapons and munition are being sent to assist the Kurdish fighters in their battle with the Islamic State and include morters and rocket grenades, the minister told parliament.

    Last Sunday, the Netherlands sent a transport plane carrying thousands of military helmets and bullet-proof vests to the town of Irbil in northern Iraq. Humanitarian help such as food parcels has also been sent.

    No point

    Hennis said there is no point in sending more weapons to Iraq. 'There are 100,000 weapons on the way to the Kurds,' she told parliament. 'That is more than enough.'

    According to the minister, what is now more important is that the help from Europe is properly coordinated.

    http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/09/dutch_government_to_transport.php

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    Re: Dutch troops, weapons to Iraq.

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:07 pm

    If anything, the weapons will be piled up, and will later be stolen by IS...

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    Re: Dutch troops, weapons to Iraq.

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:21 pm

    Mike E wrote:If anything, the weapons will be piled up, and will later be stolen by IS...

    They won't be stolen since they label them for "KURDS" and will send them to their CIA warlords over there to give them to US ... sry i mean IS.

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    Re: Dutch troops, weapons to Iraq.

    Post  Mike E on Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:11 am

    Haha, those "Iraqi jihadists" are going to have a fun time using both their standard American equipment, err, "captured" American equipment, and their Dutch equipment...

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    Netherlands to send F-16s to Iraq.

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:21 pm

    http://www.nltimes.nl/2014/09/24/netherlands-send-f-16s-iraq-isis-fight/

    NETHERLANDS TO SEND F-16S TO IRAQ IN ISIS FIGHT

    The Cabinet wants to send F-16 fighter planes to the Middle East to help in the fight against Islamic State (ISIS).

    There is a lot of support in the Second Chamber for the use of the devices in Iraq, NRC reports.

    It is unlikely that the F-16’s will be deployed in Syria. There the United States just started air strikes against the terrorist group.

    An extra cabinet meeting will be held this afternoon to discuss a so-called Article 100 letter. With this the Second Chamber will be officially informed about the military contribution to the international coalition led by the United States. The Cabinet may perform military action without the consent of the Second Chamber, but as a rule never does so.

    The Netherlands contributed F-16’s in Northern Afghanistan. This mission lasted twelve years and will end this summer. There were rumors a few days ago that the Netherlands wanted to use F-16’s in the fight against ISIS.

    The terrorist organization has parts of Iraq and Syria in their hands and has proclaimed a caliphate in the occupied territories.

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