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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  Militarov on Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:25 pm

    "Gen. David Goldfein, a battle-tested command pilot who flew combat missions in the Gulf War, the Afghanistan War, and in NATO's 1999 air war to force the president of the former Yugoslavia to end his campaign of ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, has been nominated to be the service's next chief of staff, the Pentagon said Tuesday.

    If approved, Goldfein will succeed Gen. Mark Welsh, who is retiring July 1. He has been the Air Force's vice chief of staff since August 2015.

    "I'm extremely humbled by the nomination to serve as the Air Force's 21st chief of staff," Goldfein said in an Air Force release. "If confirmed, I pledge to serve our airmen and their families unwaveringly and honor our remarkable heritage and legacy of integrity, service and excellence."



    Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James and Welsh also lauded Goldfein's selection in the release.

    "Gen. Goldfein possesses the experience and vision needed to address dynamic global challenges and increasing military demand," James said. "He knows how to build and sustain key partnerships, has important warfighting experience, and will exercise the critical judgment required to balance our manpower and resources as we shape tomorrow's Air Force. There is not a better person to lead our airmen into the next century of airpower dominance."


    So, guy that was shot down over Yugoslavia is to become commander of US Airforce.






    Source: http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2016/04/26/goldfein-nominated-next-chief-staff/83542108/

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  George1 on Fri May 13, 2016 9:42 am

    New C-130J Military Cargo Planes Delivered to US Air Force, Coast Guard

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160513/1039536190/us-air-force-c130j.html#ixzz48WGlh2Ln


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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  JohninMK on Thu May 19, 2016 9:56 pm

    Burnt out B-52H in Guam today. No-one injured. Stunning photo. The second link is the last big crash there, a B-2, starts about 1.50, the crew ejected.





    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3556/b-52-stratofortress-crashes-and-burns-at-andersen-air-force-base-in-guam


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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  Militarov on Thu May 19, 2016 10:47 pm

    I smell another B-52 being pulled from graveyard where it spent 35 years and overhauled for service.

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  JohninMK on Tue May 24, 2016 12:58 am

    The Pentagon is finally doings its sums on just what, the USAF in this case, they are able to afford in the years going forward. It isn't what the USAF is trying to develop and purchase either.

    If Moscow had a plan to break the financial back of Washington, like what was done to them, by forcing the US into introducing more and more expensive weapons as a counter to Russia's announcements and actions, it seems to be working.

    Now, a report from the Pentagon itself, highlighted by Defensenews.com, describes exactly this situation. What is most interesting is that in the report the USAF's fighter budget doesn't tank in some far-off future date. Not even close, by just 2021 there will not be enough funding to support the USAF's current fighter plan. Yes, you read that right, in just five years, the USAF's tactical fighter master plan is bankrupt.

    The report states:

    "The Air Force has insufficient resources to maintain the FY2016 NDAA mandated number of fighter aircraft (1900) beyond the 2017-2021 FYDP. At the current resource levels, projected aircraft service life divestiture outpaces procurement. This will substantially drop the total number of combat coded fighters and fighter squadrons through the 2022-2026 FYDP. The inventory drop will continue until it reaches its lowest level in 2031."


    The whole 36 page report is here

    https://drive.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=http://ec.militarytimes.com/static/pdfs/2016-Annual-Aviation-Report.pdf

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  max steel on Sun May 29, 2016 10:20 pm

    New Air Force Tanker Delayed Because It Can’t Refuel Planes

    Boeing has eaten $1.3 billion trying to fix their KC-46 Pegasus aerial refueling plane. Now new aircraft, USAF decision to buy more, pushed back months.

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  Militarov on Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:35 pm

    "Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) successfully completed the initial flight test of its T-50A configured aircraft. The T-50A is the company’s aircraft offering in the U.S. Air Force’s Advanced Pilot Training competition.

    “The aircraft in its new configuration with the 5th Gen cockpit and other upgrades performed flawlessly,” said Mark Ward, Lockheed Martin T-50A lead test pilot, after his flight in Sacheon, South Korea. “I have no doubt this aircraft will close the gap which currently exists between the trainer fleet and 5th Generation fighters.” The T-50A is low risk and ready now. It builds on the proven heritage of the T-50 with more than 100 T-50s flying today—100,000 flight hours and counting—and more than 1,000 pilots trained.

    The T-50A is the only offering that meets all APT requirements and can deliver those capabilities on schedule at the lowest risk to the customer. Lockheed Martin teams studied clean-sheet alternatives and determined they pose prohibitive risk to APT cost and schedule requirements. The T-50A delivers the performance and capabilities needed to prepare pilots to fly, fight and win with 5th Generation fighter aircraft.



    Lockheed Martin is currently standing up its T-50A Final Assembly and Checkout site in Greenville, South Carolina. The T-50A was developed jointly by Lockheed Martin and Korea Aerospace Industries. The accompanying T-50A Ground-Based Training System features innovative technologies that deliver an immersive, synchronized ground-based training platform."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/lockheed-martin-flies-first-t-50a-upgraded-aircraft-for-t-x-competition.html

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  max steel on Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:10 pm

    Thunderbirds F-16 crashes following Air Force Academy graduation; pilot reported safe

    United States Navy Blue Angels F/A-18 jet crashes; pilot reportedly dead

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    Will the U.S. Air Force be Totally Obsolete by 2030

    Post  nemrod on Sun Jun 05, 2016 4:28 pm


    For the first, US high responsible acknowledges the limitations of the F-22. More than never, the SU-30, beside the Mig-35 seem to be among the best aircrafts in the world and are fully capable to defeat US. Russia is taking an edge over US. As it was during soviet's era. It tooks around 20 years for Russia to catch up the gap with US.

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/will-the-us-air-force-be-totally-obsolete-by-2030-16466


    Will the U.S. Air Force be Totally Obsolete by 2030 ?

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    The United States Air Force will have to build a new Penetrating Counterair (PCA) capability to gain and maintain air superiority in the post-2030 global threat environment. Moreover, it is increasingly clear that a combination of Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptors and F-35 Joint Strike Fighters will not be sufficient in the decades to come.

    “You can assume if the F-22 and F-35 were good enough for everything, we'd stop there and or buy more,” said one senior Air Force official familiar with the service’s next generation air superiority efforts. “This is the need.”

    Further, the official added that it is a mystery to most of the Air Force senior leadership as to why Air Force chief of staff Gen. Mark Welsh suggested in May that the he would be open to restarting production of the F-22. Not only would the Raptor be extremely difficult and prohibitively expensive to revive—given its obsolete avionics and problems with recovering its manufacturing tooling—the F-22 is simply not going to be effective or survivable in the post-2030 threat environment. “Nobody has any idea why he said that,” one senior official told me. “A senior moment, perhaps.”

    In any case, it is exceedingly unlikely that the Raptor will be revived. That’s despite the best efforts of the House Armed Service Committee Seapower and Projection Forces subcommittee chairman Rep. Randy Forbes (R-VA), who inserted language into the 2017 defense authorization bill that mandates that the Air Force study the issue. Instead, the Air Force will need to take a broader, more comprehensive approach to air superiority that includes a host of platforms, electronic warfare systems, datalinks and new weapons. But while the Air Force will need new hardware, the service must break free of platform-centric thinking.

    “The Air Force’s projected force structure in 2030 is not capable of fighting and winning against this array of potential adversary capabilities,” reads the Air Force’s 2030 Air Superiority Flight Plan. “Developing and delivering air superiority for the highly contested environment in 2030 requires a multi-domain focus on capabilities and capacity. Importantly, the rapidly changing operational environment means the Air Force can no longer afford to develop weapon systems on the linear acquisition and development timelines using traditional approaches.”

    The Air Force expects that emerging integrated and networked air-to-air, surface-to-air, space and cyberspace threats—as well a dwindling and increasingly obsolescent tactical fighter fleet—will threaten the service’s ability to gain air superiority inside the highly contested airspace in 2030 and beyond. These threats include advanced new enemy fighter aircraft like the Russian Sukhoi PAK-FA and the Chinese Chengdu J-20, new sensors and new weapon systems. “While near-peers have most of these capabilities today, advanced air and surface threats are spreading to other countries around the world,” the document reads.

    Further, new threats could negate traditional U.S. advantages. “Increased threat capabilities to negate our advantages in the space domain, increased quantity and sophistication of cyberspace threats, and air threats including hypersonic weapons, low observable cruise missiles, and sophisticated conventional ballistic missile systems,” the document reads. “How, when and where these capabilities emerge is less clear, but it is certain air superiority forces will face many of these threats by 2030.”

    To counter the rising threat, the Air Force will have to address everything from hardening bases against attacks, to aerial refueling tankers to developing a “cloud-based sensor networks”—what former Air Force intelligence chief Lt. Gen. Dave Deptula, current dean of the Mitchell Institute, refers to as the “combat cloud.” But the service, as mentioned earlier, will also need new platforms. “To achieve air superiority against this strategy in support of joint force mission objectives, the Air Force needs to develop a family of capabilities that operate in and across the air, space and cyberspace domains—there is no single capability that provides a ‘silver bullet’ solution. This family must include both stand-off and stand-in forces, integrated and networked to achieve mission effects,” the document reads.

    Both the Pentagon’s Stand Off Arsenal Plane and the developmental Northrop Grumman B-21 Long Range Strike Bomber will play a role in gaining and maintaining air supremacy. The Air Force will also have to develop new electronic warfare capabilities—which the service used to publicly disavow—to counter next generation threats rather than purely relying on stealth. It will also need a host of new weapons. “Specific weapons development efforts will be paired with platform development efforts,” reads the document. “Both long-range and high capacity weapons will enhance the overall effectiveness of the AS 2030 family of capabilities.”

    Perhaps the centerpiece of the Air Force’s air superiority flight plan is the need to develop a new Penetrating Counterair capability. This would be a new aircraft—but the Air Force is loathe to use terms like “sixth-generation” or “next-generation” platform. “The Air Force must reject thinking focused on ‘next generation’ platforms,” the document states. “Such focus often creates a desire to push technology limits within the confines of a formal program.”

    Nonetheless, the document provides some general cues about what the PCA might look like. “Capability development efforts for PCA will focus on maximizing tradeoffs between range, payload, survivability, lethality, affordability, and supportability. While PCA capability will certainly have a role in targeting and engaging, it also has a significant role as a node in the network, providing data from its penetrating sensors to enable employment using either stand-off or stand-in weapons. As part of this effort, the Air Force should proceed with a formal AoA in 2017 for a PCA capability. Consistent with an agile acquisition mindset designed to deliver the right capability on the required timeline, this AoA will include options to leverage rapid development and prototyping in order to keep ahead of the threat,” the document states. “In addition to F2TA capabilities above, the penetrating capabilities of PCA will allow the stand-in application of kinetic and non-kinetic effects from the air domain.”

    The Air Force will start an analysis of alternative next year in 2017 to determine what the PCA—previously known as Next Generation Air Dominance or F-X—will ultimately look like. What from Air Force officials tell me, it is exceedingly unlikely that the PCA will be any derivation of the F-22—despite the wishes of the some in Congress.

    Dave Majumdar is the defense editor for The National Interest. You can follow him on Twitter: @davemajumdar.


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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  Militarov on Sun Jun 05, 2016 4:36 pm

    Term "Obsolete avionics" is very different on the West and Russia. Also they are refering to post 2030. challenges from other 5th generation platforms that are yet to be fielded. And all this crying is served every few years b USAF to "cover" crazy expences of modernisation and procurement of new fighters.

    Almost identical articles were appearing in early 90s to justify F22A development when they were saying how F14/F15 are getting obsolete, and yet they even today in newer "blocks" are top noch fighters. Its politics trust me.

    Senate needs to think how US is in grave threat from some Chinese junk, so they sign further funding for projects like F35, "B21", further improvements on F22A etc, etc.

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:12 pm

    A team of Iowa University experts has developed a stretchable “skin” that exceeds the radar-wave deflection qualities of all existing materials, including those used on military aircraft, N+1 online paper wrote.

    Dubbed as “meta-skin” the new material consists of several layers of silicon elastomers each consisting of 225 identical resonators filled with galinstan, a metal alloy of gallium, indium and tin. During a series of tests the resonators — small rings 2.5 millimeters across and half a millimeter thick – suppressed up to 75 percent of radar waves in the frequency range of 8 to 10 gigahertz.

    According to Iowa University’s website, the developers of the meta-skin technology expect it to replace all existing stealth technology and hope that it may someday help create a cloak of invisibility.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/us/20160605/1040812364/us-invisibility-skin.html#ixzz4AiaNVuWA

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:10 pm

    JohninMK wrote:A team of Iowa University experts has developed a stretchable “skin” that exceeds the radar-wave deflection qualities of all existing materials, including those used on military aircraft, N+1 online paper wrote.

    Dubbed as “meta-skin” the new material consists of several layers of silicon elastomers each consisting of 225 identical resonators filled with galinstan, a metal alloy of gallium, indium and tin. During a series of tests the resonators — small rings 2.5 millimeters across and half a millimeter thick – suppressed up to 75 percent of radar waves in the frequency range of 8 to 10 gigahertz.

    According to Iowa University’s website, the developers of the meta-skin technology expect it to replace all existing stealth technology and hope that it may someday help create a cloak of invisibility.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/us/20160605/1040812364/us-invisibility-skin.html#ixzz4AiaNVuWA

    I can already see the smiles on those KRET engineers. Wink

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  nemrod on Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:48 pm

    Militarov wrote:Term "Obsolete avionics" is very different on the West and Russia. Also they are refering to post 2030. challenges from other 5th generation platforms that are yet to be fielded. And all this crying is served every few years b USAF to "cover" crazy expences of modernisation and procurement of new fighters.
    This is not new concerning US. But this article should be read between lines, as it translates the frustration of US high command against the choices imposed by Complex militaro-industrial. This high responsible could not say all the truth, he could speak only in equivocal  way because of the sensitive nature of this subject. By saying F-22's obsolete avionics, he acknowledges the F-22 could not match with the modern Sukhoi and Mig nowadays, he could not tell more, if he does, it means US are weak, and US will face heavies consequences.

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    Almost identical articles were appearing in early 90s to justify F22A development when they were saying how F14/F15 are getting obsolete, and yet they even today in newer "blocks" are top noch fighters. Its politics trust me.
    As I said US's propaganda is not new, I remember reading the soviet military power in the 80's and I use to read stupidities like these examples :








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    Senate needs to think how US is in grave threat from some Chinese junk, so they sign further funding for projects like F35, "B21", further improvements on F22A etc, etc.
    The geopolical context nowadays is completly different than it occured during the 80's. Indeed, China, and Russia caught up, and even overpass US in air superiority. Nowadays in 2010's we have the parity between China, Russia against US. But after the 2020 the China and Russia will get the superiority. This is in fine the message of US military to US Militaro-Industrial complex and politicians.

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  OminousSpudd on Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:09 am

    Militarov wrote:Term "Obsolete avionics" is very different on the West and Russia. Also they are refering to post 2030. challenges from other 5th generation platforms that are yet to be fielded. And all this crying is served every few years b USAF to "cover" crazy expences of modernisation and procurement of new fighters.

    Almost identical articles were appearing in early 90s to justify F22A development when they were saying how F14/F15 are getting obsolete, and yet they even today in newer "blocks" are top noch fighters. Its politics trust me.
    Yep, definitely the case here, especially given it is the National Interest. See how the article justifies the B-21, and in the same breathe dismisses the F-22. The F-22 (maybe? Sounds like it's a nightmare reliability wise) and F-15 are still the platforms with the most potential for the USAF for ASF configuration. If they'd actually invested in the F-15SE for domestic use...

    Militarov wrote:Senate needs to think how US is in grave threat from some Chinese junk, so they sign further funding for projects like F35, "B21", further improvements on F22A etc, etc.
    Wow, this talk reminds me of the way my father spoke about SSR tech 15 years ago. Something tells me that you people who consistently throw Chinese hardware under the bus are in for a hell of a wake up one day.

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  nemrod on Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:31 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    Yep, definitely the case here, especially given it is the National Interest. See how the article justifies the B-21, and in the same breathe dismisses the F-22. The F-22 (maybe? Sounds like it's a nightmare reliability wise)  and F-15 are still the platforms with the most potential for the USAF for ASF configuration. If they'd actually invested in the F-15SE for domestic use...

    They could justify what they want, I did not credit the National Interrest, or any others western medias, all I said, including Janes, BBC, CBS, CNN, NHK, AlJazeerah, TF1 etc...are all mere shit, not more, not less.
    The thing that is interresting is they admit that US are lagging behind their adversaries, and it is new. The context is completly different of the 80's against the Soviet Union. The effort made by Russia to modernize its arsenal bear its fruit now. Above syrian skies, for example when SU-30, were deployed US refused fly F-22. It was a fact, and evidence. Even those deployed met great problem of non-availabilities because of nightmare of maintenance. There was  facts. Americans are finding themselves naked, a defenceless, and they are in a deep disarray and frustration.

    Moreover, they could deploy what they want, Iam sure it will be faillure, as there were for F-104, F-106, F-105, F-15, F-16, F-18, F-22, and now the F-35.
    During these last 70 years the only US success that I could barely list is F-86 sabre.


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    Wow, this talk reminds me of the way my father spoke about SSR tech 15 years ago. Something tells me that you people who consistently throw Chinese hardware under the bus are in for a hell of a wake up one day.
    This is the west, if they don't consider the others are intrinsically inferiors, they said that they necessary copied, and stole the secrets of americans, forgetting facts that they are the first robbers, as they loot much soviets secrets during the collapse of Soviet Union. If today Russia deploys a more modern AESA's radar they will consider that the slavish had necessarily steal american secrets to do that. No use to take credit what the west say.

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  OminousSpudd on Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:05 am

    nemrod wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:
    Yep, definitely the case here, especially given it is the National Interest. See how the article justifies the B-21, and in the same breathe dismisses the F-22. The F-22 (maybe? Sounds like it's a nightmare reliability wise)  and F-15 are still the platforms with the most potential for the USAF for ASF configuration. If they'd actually invested in the F-15SE for domestic use...

    They could justify what they want, I did not credit the National Interrest, or any others western medias, all I said, including Janes, BBC, CBS, CNN, NHK, AlJazeerah, TF1 etc...are all mere shit, not more, not less.
    The thing that is interresting is they admit that US are lagging behind their adversaries, and it is new. The context is completly different of the 80's against the Soviet Union. The effort made by Russia to modernize its arsenal bear its fruit now. Above syrian skies, for example when SU-30, were deployed US refused fly F-22. It was a fact, and evidence. Even those deployed met great problem of non-availabilities because of nightmare of maintenance. There was  facts. Americans are finding themselves naked, a defenceless, and they are in a deep disarray and frustration.

    Moreover, they could deploy what they want, Iam sure it will be faillure, as there were for F-104, F-106, F-105, F-15, F-16, F-18, F-22, and now the F-35.
    During these last 70 years the only US success that I could barely list is F-86 sabre.
    F-14, F-15, F-16 were all excellent aircraft back in the day, and to a lesser extent still are. The F-16 has reached its maximum potential however, and I think the later Blocks were sabotaged by a part of the same cancer the F-35 is afflicted by; being asked to perform outside of its intended role. F-15 is the USAF's best hope from an A2A standpoint now. I think that Russia has closed and perhaps surpassed any tech gap that existed, it is now just a case of fielding the numbers.


    OminousSpudd wrote:
    Wow, this talk reminds me of the way my father spoke about SSR tech 15 years ago. Something tells me that you people who consistently throw Chinese hardware under the bus are in for a hell of a wake up one day.
    nemrod wrote:This is the west, if they don't consider the others are intrinsically inferiors, they said that they necessary copied, and stole the secrets of americans, forgetting facts that they are the first robbers, as they loot much soviets secrets during the collapse of Soviet Union. If today Russia deploys a more modern AESA's radar they will consider that the slavish had necessarily steal american secrets to do that. No use to take credit what the west say.
    I guess I am just little perplexed at the fact a Serb would take the same tiresome line of drivel as most Western "academia".

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  Militarov on Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:54 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Term "Obsolete avionics" is very different on the West and Russia. Also they are refering to post 2030. challenges from other 5th generation platforms that are yet to be fielded. And all this crying is served every few years b USAF to "cover" crazy expences of modernisation and procurement of new fighters.

    Almost identical articles were appearing in early 90s to justify F22A development when they were saying how F14/F15 are getting obsolete, and yet they even today in newer "blocks" are top noch fighters. Its politics trust me.
    Yep, definitely the case here, especially given it is the National Interest. See how the article justifies the B-21, and in the same breathe dismisses the F-22. The F-22 (maybe? Sounds like it's a nightmare reliability wise)  and F-15 are still the platforms with the most potential for the USAF for ASF configuration. If they'd actually invested in the F-15SE for domestic use...

    Militarov wrote:Senate needs to think how US is in grave threat from some Chinese junk, so they sign further funding for projects like F35, "B21", further improvements on F22A etc, etc.
    Wow, this talk reminds me of the way my father spoke about SSR tech 15 years ago. Something tells me that you people who consistently throw Chinese hardware under the bus are in for a hell of a wake up one day.

    Well expectations are atm that F15Es will serve at least another 25 years with 2 block updates in future so yeah, they are to be around for quite long time.

    I will take Chinese for serious in fighter technology when they figure out how to make own half decent engine.

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:18 am

    Militarov wrote:I will take Chinese for serious in fighter technology when they figure out how to make own half decent engine.
    Or even an original fighter design.

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:23 am

    Yeah, cause only high tech original designs can kill....

    The most amusing thing is who does not copy... some rifles claimed to be the best in their class are just copies, but it is OK when Finland or Israel or South Africa copy AKs... when China did it it was a symptom of something...


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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:37 am

    GarryB wrote:Yeah, cause only high tech original designs can kill....

    The most amusing thing is who does not copy... some rifles claimed to be the best in their class are just copies, but it is OK when Finland or Israel or South Africa copy AKs... when China did it it was a symptom of something...
    You'll never be able to outpace someone if you rely on their technologies and an "original Chinese design" is in the dictionary as an example of an oxymoron.

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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  max steel on Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:54 am

    Nemrod are you for real ? You're the new Vann7 of this forum.


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    Re: US Air Force: Discussion and News

    Post  nemrod on Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:55 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    ...F-15, F-16 were all excellent aircraft back in the day, and to a lesser extent still are. The F-16 has reached its maximum potential ....

    About the F-16, if we rely on west's pov, this aircraft is among the best of best of the world, and thanks to its supposed victories in Israel's wars, and in Iraq. I've seen a long time ago an interesting analysis of Vladimir Iiylin about it. First of all the myth of 100 syrians aircrafts -mostly due to F-16 and F-15, but... - downed against 0 for Israel could not resist to the scrutinity of facts. During Desert Storm, hundreds F-16 were engaged, none downed any iraqi aircraft. Even the A-10 succeeded in downing a, iraqi helicopter. If we know that Iraq managed to send to Iran several dozens of airplanes into Iran, including two Il-76 Adnan iraqi Awacs, as every one know they are super manoeuvrables, then where were the F-16 ? At such point that a high US responsible said in that time that the F-16 is less effective air planne. During the 90's the number of aircrafts downed by F-16 is not higher. But it is enough for the west propaganda to claim that its nag is a stallion effective.

    About the F-15. We talked much about the circumstances of War gulf, and how the secret surrounding what's really happened is dark. F-15 were in outnumber at first, and Iraqi high command did not desire to engage a real air battle. Moreover, we had US and its coalition against Iraq. Then we could not say nowadays that the F-15 is super fighter. In a normal situation against fair combat like 2 vs 1 as 2 F-15 against 1 Mig or Sukhoi, the F-15 will be smashed. During cope india 2004 even the Mig-21 Bison took out F-15. I did not mean US pilots are not competents -on contrary-, but the choice imposed by the militaro industrial complex lead to this stalemate.

    The last conflicts involving US and its F-15, F-16, F-18 are not enough to assert that these aircrafts are really effective. However, if a conflict occurs now between China and US, and if the F-15 scores 30:0, and F-16 scores 20:0 against the chinese sukhoi I will say US aircrafts are the best of the world. But it is far to be the case. I would say the contrary, the chinese SU-27 will score much against US aircrafts including the F-22, and F-35.

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:36 pm

    nemrod wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:
    ...F-15, F-16 were all excellent aircraft back in the day, and to a lesser extent still are. The F-16 has reached its maximum potential ....

    About the F-16, if we rely on west's pov, this aircraft is among  the best of best of the world, and thanks to its supposed victories in Israel's wars, and in Iraq. I've seen a long time ago an interesting analysis of Vladimir Iiylin about it. First of all the myth of 100 syrians aircrafts -mostly due to F-16 and F-15, but... - downed against 0 for Israel could not resist to the scrutinity of facts. During Desert Storm, hundreds F-16 were engaged, none downed any iraqi aircraft. Even the A-10 succeeded in downing a, iraqi helicopter. If we know that Iraq managed to send to Iran several dozens of airplanes into Iran, including two Il-76 Adnan iraqi Awacs, as every one know they are super manoeuvrables, then where were the F-16 ? At such point that a high US responsible said in that time that the F-16 is less effective air planne. During the 90's the number of aircrafts downed by F-16 is not higher. But it is enough for the west propaganda to claim that its nag is a stallion effective.

    About the F-15. We talked much about the circumstances of War gulf, and how the secret surrounding what's really happened is dark. F-15 were in outnumber at first, and Iraqi high command did not desire to engage a real air battle. Moreover, we had US and its coalition against Iraq. Then we could not say nowadays that the F-15 is super fighter. In a normal situation against fair combat like 2 vs 1 as 2 F-15 against 1 Mig or Sukhoi, the F-15 will be smashed. During cope india 2004 even the Mig-21 Bison took out F-15. I did not mean US pilots are not competents -on contrary-, but the choice imposed by the militaro industrial complex lead to this stalemate.

    The last conflicts involving US and its F-15, F-16, F-18 are not enough to assert that these aircrafts are really effective. However, if a conflict occurs now between China and US, and if the F-15 scores 30:0, and F-16 scores 20:0 against the chinese sukhoi I will say US aircrafts are the best of the world. But it is far to be the case. I would say the contrary, the chinese SU-27 will score much against US aircrafts including the F-22, and F-35.
    Of course, it's the same with almost all NATO equipment, they can not be judged by their combat record, as it is to shrouded in propaganda, and they have always fought under absolutely ideal situations with overwhelming superiority in C4I and numbers. I am judging the F-15 etc. by their proven characteristics of being a well equipped and fairly reliable aircraft, with good all round performance. I do not doubt that much of the US' reputation as being a global and invincible air power is 99.9% propaganda, and an interest in setting up this self-proclaimed image was there right from the end of the iron curtain.

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    Post  nemrod on Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:47 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    Of course, it's the same with almost all NATO equipment, they can not be judged by their combat record, as it is to shrouded in propaganda, and they have always fought under absolutely ideal situations with overwhelming superiority in C4I and numbers.  I am judging the F-15 etc. by their proven characteristics of being a well equipped and fairly reliable aircraft, with good all round performance. I do not doubt that much of the US' reputation as being a global and invincible air power is 99.9% propaganda, and an interest in setting up this self-proclaimed image was there right from the end of the iron curtain.

    I do not try to despise, or misjudge US hardware, but the conflicts of Iraq, and in Serbia are not enough to claim that F-15, F-16, F-18 are a successfull aircrafts. Moreover, during Desert Storm, there were nearly 30 F-16 missed -of course I heard about it, but I have no proofs-. Reasons ? Accidents ?...During the decade 80's in Middle east nearly 70 F-16 were lost due to officially accidents. Again this magic world of accident. In my view these F-16 were downed by Migs.
    Now what's happened, we have a superpower that owns all medias in the world, they hide all what it is too much embarrassing, and
    they claim what they want no matter if it is stupid lies, and it becomes "official facts".  Then, what would you think if one day you learn that 6 Mig-23 ML were indeed downed, but they downed 16 F-16 ? What would you think if you learn that 5 Mig-29 were downed but they successfully downed 10 F-16 and 5 F-15 C ? If we refer to recent exercises done by Indian air force, even the Mig-21 Bison outclass the F-15, and certainly the F-16. No use to tell more about Mig-29 and SU-27.

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