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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:15 am

    When EU builds their own space station, doesn't rely on 50% of it being Russian and actually have their alternative to GPS and Glonass in active service, come back. Not impressive for such a large collaboration.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:15 am

    miketheterrible wrote:When EU builds their own space station, doesn't rely on 50% of it being Russian and actually have their alternative to GPS and Glonass in active service, come back.  Not impressive for such a large collaboration.

    Slam. Dunk. MTT wins by a country fucking mile. Add the fact that the Eurotrash don't even have a plan for an independent manned access to space, and its all over, red rover. Exomars, pun intended.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:27 am

    miketheterrible wrote:When EU builds their own space station, doesn't rely on 50% of it being Russian and actually have their alternative to GPS and Glonass in active service, come back.  Not impressive for such a large collaboration.

    1. Russia's participation in ISS early days was pretty much paid for by US taxpayers.
    2. ESA did build their own modules and resupply vehicles (like Japan).

    Soviet legacy aside, I don't think Roscomos has much to be proud compared to ESA. Let's just say that both are in the same league.
    Although the 20 or so ton ATV was some beast.

    PS. Columbus was launched from the US via Space Shuttle and  attached by the Canadarm on Harmony, Russia and their taxpayers were not involved.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:49 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:When EU builds their own space station, doesn't rely on 50% of it being Russian and actually have their alternative to GPS and Glonass in active service, come back. Not impressive for such a large collaboration.

    Less than 25% of ISS is Russian, they never managed to complete their segment. All they have is life support and docking module. They haven't been able to do any research work worth mentioning because they never launched lab segment.

    And everything they did was paid in full by USA as a pittance in order to keep Russia from selling Soviet rocket tech on open market. That's the only reason the whole thing isn't called Space Station Freedom:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Station_Freedom

    Every single thing Russia did in space over last 30 years was done with Soviet leftovers. None of it was Russian and none of it was post 1989. product.

    They accomplished nothing on their own unlike Europe (and pretty​ all every other players). Even South Korea who are buying Russian engines are making more progress than manufacturer of those engines.

    Slam. Fucking. Dunk. Razz
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:03 pm

    Such as what exactly? Their progress is rather silent then. Cause I don't see them sending people to space or their gps system being in full tact.

    Easy to talk about accomplishments when all you do is trash a nations space program with little sight or reason.

    The ISS is made up of 16 pressurized modules: five Russian modules (Zarya, Pirs, Zvezda, Poisk and Rassvet), eight US modules (BEAM, Leonardo, Harmony, Quest, Tranquility, Unity, Cupola, and Destiny), two Japanese modules (the JEM-ELM-PS and JEM-PM) and one European module (Columbus).

    Wow, in 28 years of being ahead in terms of awesomeness (EU), they produced 1 pressurized module for ISS. Great. Even Japan does better.

    Yeah, Russia relies on Soviet development. So what? It works and they expand upon it. China does the same. Grab what works and work with it.

    Waiting on Galileo to work....
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:45 am

    The ISS station is MIR2.

    Its fundamental design is based on the MIR design... not the failed US Skylab design or the yet to be created European vapour ware.

    For some time I was worried about Russia because of the attitude of Europe and the US towards it that seemed totally irrational.

    Now I am glad.

    Russia could have been the wests greatest ally, able to communicate to all those countries that have stopped listening to the west, like Iran etc, huge natural resources that are largely untapped, and enormous potential.

    20 years ago and these sanctions and strong arm tactics would have worked on Yeltsin, but then Russia was no real threat to anyone but itself back then so why would they?

    Today Russia has built itself up to a point where it is probably better off going with non western allies... sure they are weak and undeveloped, but cooperation with Russia can build them up and help Russian development too.

    China has clearly come to the same conclusion with its development in Africa.

    Right now the ire of the west is directed at Russia but China knows its turn will come too and so it is building up a navy...

    Its next step will be to build more nuclear weapons, and I suspect Russia will do the same... what choice is the west giving it?

    So keep up with the Russia does not do space crap... it is certainly in Russias long term interests.


    Can't believe I just learned about this, to think that all this time they had perfectly good reason to cancel Proton, humiliation alone is enough...

    Of course, advertising on rockets shows Russia is weak.

    First space tourist is on a Russian rocket, first paid advertising on a rocket is on a Russian rocket... obviously Russia is collapsing... I mean making a profit sending people into space and earning money with paid adverts on their rockets... what are they thinking.

    BTW I guess Pizza Hut are now Putins spies too...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:36 am

    GarryB wrote:The ISS station is MIR2....

    Ehhh, sure, why not, I mean let's go with that one.... lol1

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Station_Freedom

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:14 am

    Mir-2 (1993 concept) based on DOS-8 block (reworked as Zvezda). It was 1st unit launched, so yeah.... ISS is technically Mir-2 tongue

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    Post  Hole on Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:05 am

    The west didn´t subsidize Russia, they paid for the technology they got. Without russian help the west would still be trying to build a Docking module.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:35 pm

    Hole wrote:The west didn´t subsidize Russia, they paid for the technology they got. Without russian help the west would still be trying to build a Docking module.

    USA paid for everything starting from construction costs down to food for the workers.

    USA was to build their own modular space station and many people in NASA were severely pissed off when they were ordered to work with Russians and donate part of their already meager budget to them just because those drunk clowns were unable to keep their anorexic gophers from selling sensitive tech to first​ Arab or Nork with more than 100$ on him.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:39 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Hole wrote:The west didn´t subsidize Russia, they paid for the technology they got. Without russian help the west would still be trying to build a Docking module.

    USA paid for everything starting from construction costs down to food for the workers.

    USA was to build their own modular space station and many people in NASA were severely pissed off when they were ordered to work with Russians and donate part of their already meager budget to them just because those drunk clowns were unable to keep their anorexic gophers from selling sensitive tech to first​ Arab or Nork with more than 100$ on him.

    Got data on that?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:27 pm


    Russia will present for the first time a model of super-heavy rocket at the forum " Army-2018"

    https://ria.ru/space/20180801/1525746959.html
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    Post  BlackArrow on Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:27 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia will present for the first time a model of super-heavy rocket at the forum " Army-2018"

    https://ria.ru/space/20180801/1525746959.html

    A model of a rocket?

    Reminds me of this:

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:52 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia will present for the first time a model of super-heavy rocket at the forum " Army-2018"

    https://ria.ru/space/20180801/1525746959.html

    The Khrunichev stand still intends to show a model of Proton-Medium? Suspect Surely not?

    Maybe they've already built the demo model and need to fill out space on their stand? I'll put a fiver on some smart-arse scrawling "CANCELLED" on it with a paint-pen!
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:56 am

    BlackArrow wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia will present for the first time a model of super-heavy rocket at the forum " Army-2018"

    https://ria.ru/space/20180801/1525746959.html

    A model of a rocket?

    ......

    Oh c'mon, don't tell me you expected the whole thing? This is organisation legendary for not moving beyond scale models (if they are lucky, usually it's just low effort drawing), begging for foreign investor's money, and never getting anything done.

    And now they just entered the era of epic new leadership.

    Be happy if you get to see the model...
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:13 am

    Deadlines for closing the missile launch program Proton


    The program for launching Proton rockets from the Baikonur cosmodrome will last until 2026, RIA Novosti reported in the Aerospace Committee of the Kazakh Defense Ministry (Kazkosmos).   The department added that after this period the prospects for launching the "Protons" are not considered.

    Earlier it was reported about the imminent closure of the Proton missile program. The decommissioning of one of the launch sites for these missiles at the Baikonur was planned in 2023.

    The fact that the missile program Proton will soon be closed and now it is necessary to promote "environmentally friendly" carriers of Angara, the current head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin said while still vice-premier for the defense industry. The fact that the production of the "Protons" "is coming to an end in the near future," and the Khrunichev Center is moving to the construction of the "Angara-A5" and "Angara-A5M," he claimed and in his new position.

    In addition, the general director of Energomash, which produces engines for the Protons, Igor Arbuzov said in an interview with RIA Novosti that the production of engines for these missiles will end in late 2018. According to him, enterprises that previously produced engines for the "Protons" will load orders for gas turbine engines, power plants, as well as pumps and pump stations for the oil and gas industry.

    At the same time, Andrei Pankratov, deputy general director of the Khrunichev Center for Foreign Economic Affairs, told RIA Novosti in May that the plans of the center until 2025 are to launch 24 "protons" of various modifications. A source of RIA Novosti at the Baikonur reported that the volume of contracts for the launch of Proton-L missiles, that is, the average modification of a heavy carrier, without a third stage, had reached almost a billion dollars.

    https://ria.ru/science/20180805/1525956704.html

    Hmm...  Proton pad decommissioning starting in 2023, 24x Proton launches scheduled to program end in 2026, end of Proton engine manufacture in 2018 ( Shocked ), $1B of contracts for Proton medium ( Suspect )

    I find it hard to reconcile an end of engine manufacture in 2018 with 24x launches to 2026.  I would not have thought that Khrunichev/Energomash would have a current inventory of flight-certified rockets and engines to sustain that many launches.

    Dunno what to make of this.  I'm never certain on how much credence to give to Russian media reporting...
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    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:49 pm

    Russian space agency drafting federal program for creating super-heavy carrier rocket

    YAROSLAVL, August 6. /TASS/. Russia’s State Space Corporation Roscosmos has launched work to draft a federal target program for creating a super-heavy carrier rocket, Roscosmos Chief Dmitry Rogozin said on Monday.

    "We have launched work on a federal target program for creating a super-heavy carrier rocket," Rogozin said.

    Super-heavy rocket

    As was reported earlier, Roscosmos has placed an order for developing the design of a super-heavy rocket worth 1.6 billion rubles ($25 million). The conceptual design of the super-heavy space rocket complex is planned to be completed by October 31, 2019.

    The new Russian super-heavy carrier rocket is intended to deliver over 70 tonnes of cargo into low near-Earth orbit. The construction of infrastructure for the new carrier rocket is expected to begin at the Vostochny spaceport in the Russian Far East in 2026.

    The decree on creating the space rocket compound at the Vostochny cosmodrome was earlier signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin. The concept of its creation envisages maximally utilizing the accumulated potential. Also, basic elements and technologies of the Soyuz-5 medium-class rocket currently under development will be used to create the super-heavy launch vehicle.

    According to Roscosmos’s estimates, the creation of the super-heavy carrier rocket and the construction of the corresponding infrastructure will cost 1.5 trillion rubles ($24 billion).

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:22 am

    This doesn't make sense. Surely they have a 'conceptual design" already? Nov 2019? Suspect It certainly doesn't take 14 months to develop a "concept".

    I could understand if it was a draft design (eg no detailed fabrication drawings or avionics/controls schematics developed) , so maybe the issue is just simply poor reporting or translation?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:18 am


    This flew under the radar, model of Soyuz-5 and finally officiall model of super-heavy rocket:





    Also, Federation:

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    Post  George1 on Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:12 pm

    Soyuz-5 will restore Russia’s status of leading space power, deputy PM says

    Soyuz-5 is to be created by 2021

    KOROLYOV /Moscow Region/, August 31. /TASS/. Creation of the Soyuz-5 space rocket will enhance Russia’s status of a leading space power, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said on Friday.

    "We are to cope with a unique and technically complicated task, but once we’ve done that, Russia will regain and enhance its status of a leading world space power," he told a conference on manned space programs at the space rocket corporation Energia’s office on Friday.


    Borisov said the task on the agenda was to lay the basis of manned programs for exploring deep space. Under the presidential decree Energia was named the main architect of a super-heavy space rocket of the future.

    "On this spacecraft we pin our plans for exploring deep space. Creation of the medium class rocket, Soyuz-5, will be a major part of that project," he said.

    Russia’s space corporation Roscosmos earlier approved the rocket’s sketch design. Soyuz-5 is to be created by 2021. The first flight tests at the Baikonur site are due in 2022. The rocket will be used to put the yet-to be developed spacecraft Federatsiya into low near-Earth orbits.


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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:20 am

    Russian launch service provider reveals cost of Soyuz-2.1 rocket launch

    The delivery of 1 kg of cargo by a Soyuz-2 rocket will cost $20,000-30,000, which is below the average market price

    MOSCOW, October 3. /TASS/. The basic price for launch of Russia’s Soyuz-2.1 carrier rocket with the Fregat booster will stand at about $48.5 million, Russian launch service provider, Glavkosmos Launch Services, has said.

    "On the first day of the International Astronautical Congress in Bremen, our team announced the basic price for launch of a Soyuz-2.1 carrier rocket with the Fregat booster. It stands at $48.5 million," the company said in a statement, posted on Facebook.

    The launch of Soyuz-2.1 without the Fregat booster will cost about $35 million.

    "Therefore, the delivery of 1 kg of cargo by a Soyuz-2 rocket will cost $20,000-30,000… which is below the average market price," the statement reads.

    CEO of Russia’s state space corporation Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, said on October 1 that SpaceX CEO Elon Musk quoted knock-down prices on launches of his spacecraft at $40-60 million to squeeze Russia out of the space market. The Russian official described the approach as "pure dumping," adding that SpaceX receives $150 million for one launch from Pentagon.

    SpaceX’s most commercially successful rocket is now Falcon 9. One of its modifications has a reusable first stage. According to open sources, a Falcon 9 launch costs from 55 to 65 million US dollars, depending on the modification.


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    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:42 pm

    S7 Space to modernize Sea Launch floating spaceport for reusable rocket

    S7 Space is developing its own reusable rocket based on the conceptual design of the Soyuz-5 carrier

    MOSCOW, November 7. /TASS/. S7 Space plans to modernize the Sea Launch floating spaceport after switching to the launches of its reusable rocket from it, Company CEO Sergei Sopov told TASS on Wednesday.

    "The spaceport will be modernized for the new carrier rocket," he said.

    Today all the equipment on the command vessel and the launching platform has become obsolete, the chief executive said.

    "It was developed 20 years ago. The platform’s remaining service life is another 25 years. Within this period, the launches of Zenit rockets that have been ordered and are in the process of production and also of our new carrier can be carried out," he said.

    "The later we make the new carrier, the less time will be left for its operation from the Sea Launch platform," he pointed out.

    "But, naturally, the spaceport’s service life, like the service life of any complex technical facility, can be considerably extended in case of its major repairs and modernization," the chief executive said.

    S7 Space is considering several ways of recovering the first stage of its future reusable rocket after launch.

    "On the list of likely options we have a hypersonic parachute capable of withstanding reentry heat, or special wings. We will make up our mind during the design phase as a result of more accurate calculations and research," he said.

    In his opinion at this point it looks like a parachute system will be less costly.

    "But if this solution is chosen, landing the re-entry stage safely on a small pre-prepared site will be a great problem due to strong side winds," Sopov said.

    Non-reusable rockets have become uncompetitive and a private company has no chance to survive on the space launch market without reusable vehicles today, he said.

    "Without it [the reusable carrier], we simply won’t be able to survive on the commercial market. It is not even funny to compete with reusable and cheap offers entering the market with a non-reusable carrier," he said.

    In the opinion of S7 Space chief, "a non-reusable rocket is as effective as a non-reusable aircraft."

    "Creating a non-reusable carrier means not simply marking time but is a road backwards," Sopov said.

    It is not a matter of the method of recovering the spent rocket stage but largely a matter of "its service life, in the first place, the cycles, the repairability and the labor intensity."

    "Today all the rocket’s assemblies and systems [in Russia] are non-reusable, i.e. unfit for their repeat use," Sopov said.

    New carrier rocket and the floating spaceport

    S7 Space is developing its own reusable rocket based on the conceptual design of the Soyuz-5 carrier (being developed by Energia Space Rocket Corporation). The company has dubbed the new rocket "Soyuz-7" and "Soyuz-7SL" (Sea Launch). The S7 Space design office for launch vehicles is headed by Igor Radugin who has recently joined the company after quitting Energia Space Rocket Corporation.

    The Sea Launch is a compound comprising the sea and space rocket components, and also the ground infrastructure. The sea component includes the Odyssey floating launch platform and the assembly-command ship used for assembling rockets and exercising control of pre-launch operations. The vessels are based in the state of California, the USA.

    The compound’s space rocket component comprises the Russian-Ukrainian Zenit-3SL carrier rocket and the Russian DM booster. The rocket’s two stages are assembled at the Ukrainian Yuzhmash enterprise, although 80% of its components are made in Russia. After their manufacture, the rocket stages are transported by sea to the United States where the rocket is finally assembled.

    The launches are carried out from the equatorial Pacific near Christmas Island.


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    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:05 pm

    Russia’s Soyuz-ST puts European weather satellite Metop-C into orbit

    The launch took place at 03:48 Moscow time on Wednesday from the Guiana Space Centre

    PARIS, November 7. /TASS/. Russia’s Soyuz-ST carrier rocket has put a European meteorological satellite, Metop-C, into the designated orbit on Wednesday.

    The launch took place at 03:48 Moscow time on Wednesday from the Guiana Space Centre in French Guiana and was broadcast live by Arianespace on its website.

    It was the second Soyuz-ST launch this year, following the Soyuz-ST-B launch on March 6 to orbit four satellites for Luxembourg-based satellite services provider SES.


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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:25 pm

    Soyuz-5 data. Not sure of its origin, but seems to be from a Roskosmos presentation.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:50 am


    Numbers add up so yeah, this would be it

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