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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:48 am

    Wonder will that future 6th gen also fulfil the role of MiG-25/31/41 ? Considering the described properties it is also a suitable interceptor.

    Or interceptor of that time will me Mach 10+++ Shocked Shocked Shocked

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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:52 am

    higurashihougi wrote:Wonder will that future 6th gen also fulfil the role of MiG-25/31/41 ? Considering the described properties it is also a suitable interceptor.

    Or interceptor of that time will me Mach 10+++ Shocked Shocked Shocked

    I guess MiG-41 will use updated airframe of MiG-31 (as airflow physics remains the same Smile and everything elas ewill be nwe, engines, materials, avionics, weapons...

    and 6th gen will be totally new stuff. Hypersonic, strato/mezopheric (starwars warfare?).


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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:28 pm

    Even just keeping the existing layout and design, the improvements in materials should dramatically reduce weight and increase heat resistance with heat resistant aluminium alloys they have developed as well as new titanium alloys they could use would have a large effect on performance.

    Improvements in electronics and indeed simply the reduction in weight of instruments in the cockpits alone would have huge benefits.

    Also improvements in engines would allow the increase in speed to be significant without increasing fuel burn.

    A variable cycle turbofan engine with with the bypass flow allowing fuel to be added to act like a ramjet so at high speeds the air flowing through the engine will mostly be bypassing the turbojet hot section and will be flowing around the cold section and having fuel added and burned like a ramjet allowing much higher operational speeds with much much less stress on the engines.

    A cruise speed of mach 3.2-3.5 should be achievable and sustainable over rather longer ranges due to reduced weight and higher exhaust speed from the engines...

    A newer wing design would allow much better manouver performance at lower speeds and efficient cruise at higher speeds too.

    Scramjet powered missiles would greatly extend missile reach too.


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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:04 pm

    GarryB wrote:Even just keeping the existing layout and design, the improvements in materials should dramatically reduce weight and increase heat resistance with heat resistant aluminium alloys they have developed as well as new titanium alloys they could use would have a large effect on performance.

    Very true, I meant something like MiG-41 vs Mig-31 like Su-35 vs. Su-27...

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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  gaurav on Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:09 am

    This is another case political infighting. Russ MoD are allocating serious money from 2017 to interceptor project.
    NOw SUkhoi has become the monopoly for all civil military programs inside UAC. UAC itself is the worlds second largest aerospace holding.
    UAC has copied all the features of interceptor aircraft and is selling them as 6th generation aircraft(Sukhoi product).RUss MOd has clearly given its preference for MIG interceptor.
    It will be interceoptor , bomber, feature speeds close to Mach 5 and stealth. All the features are copied same to sam ein Sukhoi 6th generation fighter.

    Russ MOd wants the MIG35 sensors to come close to T-50(except the stealth feature) so that the MIG 41 project gets the required momentum.

    Bottom line:HUge spendign for Sukhoi 6th gene fighter and MIG 41 (whose specs are as advanced as SUkhoi 6th gen , basically copy paste of each other) may be a huge waste of resources.

    SOmeone will have to GIVE IN .. maybe the MIG 41 project will be stalled kind of inorder to accelerate Su 6th gen development.
    This would be unfortunate.Whatever happened in 1990 to 2005 (MIG and sukhoi)same will happen from 2020 to 2035(mig and sukhoi).
    Well time will tell which product gets preference but unless oil prices go back to usd 100 /barrel .. both projects cannot go..

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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:17 pm

    The MiG-31 like the MiG-25 and Tu-128 Fiddler, and indeed the Su-15 and Su-11 and Su-9 were all PVO interceptors... I rather suspect there will be room for a PVO funded dedicated interceptor where stealth is not as important as speed, range, and payload capacity of very large and very long range missiles... likely including anti satellite missiles too.

    A separate fighter will likely be wanted in 5-10 years in the light 5th or light 6th gen range... which will not be similar to an interceptor requirement.


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    Post  NEURONAV on Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:59 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    That means the vertical stabs won't be blocked by wing and hull at high AoA.

    Keep in mind this is an interceptor... so long range, high flight speed, ability to fly very high or very low if needed are all useful features along with very big radar/sensors, and significant payload of air to air weapons...

    High manouver capability, along with stealth are secondary and would actually likely reduce performance in more important areas.


    With new engineering , combination of both high speed , maneuverability , and stealth possible

    Twin fins is good for stability, but two fins is twice as heavy and increases drag compared to one.

    On the other hand if you have two they don't generally need to be as big as they need to be when you only have one...

    If the new aircraft has leading edge root extensions like the MiG-29/35 and Flankers then twin fins






    improve performance as they generally are in line with the energised vortexes generated by the LERXs, which improves control and stability...

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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  gaurav on Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:11 am

    The MiG-31 like the MiG-25 and Tu-128 Fiddler, and indeed the Su-15 and Su-11 and Su-9 were all PVO interceptors... I rather suspect there will be room for a PVO funded dedicated interceptor where stealth is not as important as speed, range, and payload capacity of very large and very long range missiles... likely including anti satellite missiles too.

    Well in these days of financial crunch and overloading Industry specially the aviation Industry. Russia simply does not have the resources to build the infrastructure of MIG 41 and SU(6th gen )simultaneoulsy.

    The investment needed to build near hypersonic (high altitude interceptor, space iterceptor , ground bombing(using near hypersonic) , shock attack  missions on land, sea (using near hypersonic)) would be like 20 billion dollars at an exchange rate of 65 rubles/usd.

    We are now talking about 2 parallel investments in Sukhoi and MIG.This is preposterous. No body in sane mind would go for this.

    I think when MIG has accumulated the experience of high speed engines(MIG-31 )derivatives and developed a high altitude interceptor. The same aircraft can be configured for land , sea attack missions to destroy U.S missile defenses, air defenses , THAAD. MIG 41 for interceptor and maybe MIG 51 ground bombing missions.

    That would be the end of NATO if they see this heavy interceptor deeply modified for land attack missions.This land attack hypersonic aircraft would need sensor packages to similar to the T-50 sensor package inorder to overwhelm air defense systems

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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:39 am

    It is quite simple to develop such systems. I recall that Hyde and I over at mp.net talked about how interchangeable systems can be and what can be done. Essentially, This next interceptor will be developed by MiG corporation. It will though, incorporate many technologies that exist currently through MiG-35 program and it will ultimately make it cheaper. I imagine that subsystems, which most are all owned by 1 company - Rostec, will also have such systems ready to make the MiG-41 interceptor due to how they produce components needed for PAK FA program and others.

    This is how I think Russia solved the issue of the past of having to fund two separate projects - have an entity that has control of the major subsystems that cost the most in terms of development. In this case, Rostec.

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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:33 pm

    Different tools for different jobs.

    If you think they wont develop a 6th gen fighter and the MiG-41 then you have to ask yourself why they are upgrading the current MiG-31s instead of just developing an interceptor version of PAK FA.

    The aerospace defence force will have its own budget and will be able to afford all sorts of new toys.


    There will be a lot of overlap in capabilities and performance between a 5th or 6th gen fighter and a dedicated interceptor, but there will be enough differences to warrant a separate design.

    Hypersonic speed would be desirable and the ability to carry rather large and heavy missile over rather great distances.

    A very large radar or radar arrays would be useful, but stealth would be of little use.

    Different sensors to detect threats and targets would be useful including short, medium and long wave IR sensors as well as a variety of radar sensors in different wavelengths and detection equipment, but also datalinks so that several aircraft can work together looking for targets and threats.

    Hypersonic speed, very high altitude capability and large missiles would make satellites vulnerable to this sort of aircraft too.


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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  Rmf on Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:25 pm

    i see no reason for supersonic interceptor if you have supercruising pak-fa. maybe some enhanced version of pak-fa with less stealth, no lerx , standard inlets ,round nozzles etc...

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:05 am

    But will the maker of the MiG-31 replacement be MiG or Sukhoi?

    I suspect it will be MiG and as such I think they will use their own subcontractors rather than those working with Sukhoi to develop the PAK FA.

    If the 6th gen fighter can manage sustained hypersonic speeds then the issue is blurred, but for the moment the PAK FA is probably not fast enough and probably can't carry enough air to air missiles at high speed for the job despite having lots of powerful sensors.

    In fact it would be interesting to see what a converted Tu-22M3 would be like as a heavy long range interceptor with inflight refuelling added it would be able to carry a very large number of heavy AAMs on its belly in conformal locations, plus the internal rotary launcher should be able to carry perhaps 6 or 12 more long range weapons.

    A very large belly mounted and wing pylon mounted missile could be used for anti satellite use for launch at high altitudes and high speeds... perhaps new scramjet engines would be needed, but it could carry an enormous nose mounted radar...


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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:54 am

    GarryB wrote:Hypersonic speed, very high altitude capability and large missiles would make satellites vulnerable to this sort of aircraft too.

    And that is when unmanned pilot cockpit come into use. At extreme condition like that it is much safer to not have a human inside the aircraft.

    W/o the human pilot people can explore various kind of extreme flying techniques (sea skimming at M4, M5, for example) which a human doesn't dare to do.

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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:46 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Hypersonic speed, very high altitude capability and large missiles would make satellites vulnerable to this sort of aircraft too.

    And that is when unmanned pilot cockpit come into use. At extreme condition like that it is much safer to not have a human inside the aircraft.

    W/o the human pilot people can explore various kind of extreme flying techniques (sea skimming at M4, M5, for example) which a human doesn't dare to do.

    So we still have some time ahead until deep learning is a workable technology and we are just about to create Skynet Smile


    Rmf wrote:i see no reason for supersonic interceptor if you have supercruising  pak-fa. maybe some enhanced version of pak-fa with less stealth, no lerx , standard inlets ,round nozzles etc...

    nontheless but people responsible professionally for Russia´s AF see this reason Smile




    gaurav wrote: Well in these days of financial crunch and overloading Industry specially the aviation Industry. Russia simply does not have the resources to build the infrastructure of MIG 41 and SU(6th gen )simultaneoulsy.

    Hmmm so Putin/Shoigu and RuAF experts know about economy and army needs less than you? with all respect due does not sound convincing

    gaurav wrote:
    The investment needed to build near hypersonic (high altitude interceptor, space iterceptor , ground bombing(using near hypersonic) , shock attack  missions on land, sea (using near hypersonic)) would be like 20 billion dollars at an exchange rate of 65 rubles/usd.

    We are now talking about 2 parallel investments in Sukhoi and MIG.This is preposterous. No body in sane mind would go for this.


    Not sure where did you get those USD 20 billions  from - a source perhaps? Name MiG-51 is from whom? which  of RuAF generals mentioned this name?

    as for MiG-41 article I quoted says parts for MiG-41 are already being produced now.
    MiG-41 is I´d say something like Mig-35  or Su-35 upgrade. Much more effective plane based or reworked existing and proven airframe.


    6yh gen fighter is years until goes series (around 2030?) and we do not know for sure what requirements will be there.

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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  Flanky on Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:11 pm

    Mig-31 is a cheap and effective solution to its role....
    PAK-FA would be a very expensive solution and not being able to fulfill requirements.
    For interceptor size matters, so does for fighter... and this size requirements is the key.
    You want to have fighter as small as possible to have as little weight as possible, to be agile, stealthy etc....
    In interceptor role you want to have as much thrust, speed and fuel onboard and this dictates to have a comparably big size which might get even bigger in the future if they will include space warfare capabilities.
    You cannot apply one size fits all (yet)... the technology is not there or you might end up like F-35... a total fiasco.
    One interresting thing to add. If Shoigu and Bondarev decides to have the plane to be a 6th gen technology vehicle... we might get to see the first military application of a wing made of materials that change their shape according to preprogrammed patterns. This technology is in development but it is real...

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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:29 pm

    Apparently, I read somewhere that MiG-31 was ridiculously expensive for its time. SoSomething along the lines of one of the most expensive jets in the world. Wouldn't surprise me either due to its capabilities.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:05 am

    sepheronx wrote:Apparently, I read somewhere that MiG-31 was ridiculously expensive for its time.  SoSomething along the lines of one of the most expensive jets in the world. Wouldn't surprise me either due to its capabilities.

    Speed alone simply enforced usage of titanium. If MiG-41 is to be even faster up to 5000km/h then air friction heating can got up around 1000K...then new set of materials are required

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:25 pm

    The MiG-25 and MiG-31 are expensive aircraft to buy and to operate.

    They burn enormous amounts of fuel for each flight at high speed and their engine life means they go through quite a few even if properly operated within parameters.

    The MiG-25 was mostly steel as this was cheap and the mesh around the engines to help cool them were made of silver rather than gold... silver was cheaper even if not as effective.

    The MiG-31 introduced titanium in certain high temp areas on the air frame but is still a heavy aircraft.

    the only more expensive aircraft to operate was the SR-71 which cost a small fortune.

    If it was just about the money then a variant of the Su-34 with an interceptor focus and a dedicated air to air radar of large size could have easily replaced the MiG-31 in every area except top speed.


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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  NEURONAV on Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:00 am

    Important question ;

    If we have  the prospective air complex of frontline aviation PAK-FA , with super cruising capabilities
    , stealthy  with high manoverability why  Russia  direct money to ward MIG-41  instead of developing single  complex that compines both features of longe range interceptor  with multi role fighter , athough such project might be very complex and demanding in term of R&D but the cost will be the same If Russia built two separate projects .



    May be  the industrial lobby  has the final word


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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:09 am

    Its a matter of also giving contracts to Mikoyan, not to just Sukhoi. Sukhoi has obtained majority of contracts for both domestic and export, making them huge and a growing monopoly, something I don't think the MoD specifically wants. So in a method of giving contracts to Mikoyan, it will be programs like this interceptor and MiG-35 that will more or less help the company out.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:28 am

    NEURONAV wrote:Important question ;

    If we have  the prospective air complex of frontline aviation PAK-FA , with super cruising capabilities
    , stealthy  with high manoverability why  Russia  direct money to ward MIG-41  instead of developing single  complex that compines both features of longe range interceptor  with multi role fighter , athough  such project might be  very complex and demanding in term of R&D but the cost will be the same If Russia built two separate projects .


    because PAK FA has different requirements then PAK DP? Interceptor has to be really fast and to have big range.
    Mig-41 does not to have to be stealth or agile, needs to quick fly over Siberia to welcome US guests (like hypersonic drones...).
    Speed, ceiling, range and pay load counts.

    Weight of MiG-31 is about 50% bigger then PAK-FA.

    BTW F-35 is universal plane built around requirements for 3-4 machines? Twisted Evil

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    Post  NEURONAV on Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:20 am

    You're right ! Due to requirement of high speed the Mig-41 RAM coating will not withstand the high temperature. But this is true fore certain extent , for example coating the RAM coating material with radioleucent thermostable material my solve the problem of high temperature .

    Although I'm not a fan of American aerospace tech. , but I think that F-35 is excellent solution for the united state instead of building 2 or 3 diffrent planes for there requirement , F-35 still unmatured , when completed it will has significant military importance

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    Post  NEURONAV on Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:26 am

    Work on high temp RAM coating is already begin

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259512482_A_high-temperature_radar_absorbing_structure_Design_fabrication_and_characterization

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:55 am

    NEURONAV wrote:You're right ! Due to requirement of high speed the   Mig-41 RAM coating will not withstand the high temperature. But this is true fore certain extent , for example coating the RAM coating material with radioleucent thermostable material my solve the problem of high temperature .

    Although I'm not a fan of American aerospace tech. , but I think that F-35 is excellent solution for the united state instead of building 2 or 3 diffrent  planes  for  there requirement , F-35 still unmatured , when completed  it will has significant military importance

    The F-35 will never be an interceptor, it will never be a multi-role fighter, it will never be reliably carrier capable, it will never be a CAS aircraft, and it will certainly never be a strategic bomber. It's an abomination, a frankenstein of the US MIC, and an absolute failure in every sense of the word. It will, eventually, be quietly consigned to the dust pile just like the F-22.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:15 pm

    The problem with the F-35 is it is small.

    The problem with stealth aircraft... proper ones that is, is that they have to carry all their weapons internally to actually remain stealthy so a small plane has a pathetic payload.

    The other problem is that it is trying to be too many different designs... if they took away the requirement for it to be a Harrier replacement it would be a much better design with more internal weapons and fuel capacity.

    It will also likely be rather more expensive than the bigger fighters it is operating with... which again means there is no point in making it small and limiting its performance...


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