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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  Isos on Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:13 pm

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    The-thing-next-door wrote:I have heard claims that the Mig 41 will have laser weapons what is the likelyhood of this?
    This "laser weapons" are intended to destroy or mislead the optical guidance sensors of enemy missiles. The systems are in development or already exits.

    Second stage of "laser weapons" is to destroy incoming missiles with the sharp beam, but this is dream of the future right now for fighters.

    It would be far easier to use its powerfull radar for that. Lasers need time to "cut" or destroy a target and its really hard to concentrate the energy on one point on a missile that goes mach 4 while you also go mach 2 or 3. If they are planing to make it the successor of Mig 31 it will probably have a more powerfull radar so they can concentrate the energy to burn the electronics in it.

    That could even work on any type of flying object. From satelites to missiles and missiles or drones.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:17 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Azi wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:I have heard claims that the Mig 41 will have laser weapons what is the likelyhood of this?
    This "laser weapons" are intended to destroy or mislead the optical guidance sensors of enemy missiles. The systems are in development or already exits.

    Second stage of "laser weapons" is to destroy incoming missiles with the sharp beam, but this is dream of the future right now for fighters.

    It would be far easier to use its powerfull radar for that. Lasers need time to "cut" or destroy a target and its really hard to concentrate the energy on one point on a missile that goes mach 4 while you also go mach 2 or 3. If they are planing to make it the successor of Mig 31 it will probably have a more powerfull radar so they can concentrate the energy to burn the electronics in it.

    That could even work on any type of flying object. From satelites to missiles and missiles or drones.

    With powerful engine (generator for loading capacitors) and enough capacitors you can got and impulse for lasers/or masers (to cook electronics of incoming missile) .


    Alternative way would be using (if technology already matured) miniature explosive magnetic flux generators to power it.
    For me 2 things are strange.

    1) why R-37 in newer and longer range missiles exist in Russia? KS-172 or at least updated version RVV-BD,


    http://www.ktrv.ru/production/68/649/1526/


    2) i wonder what "near space means" ? 30+ ? but then how about air breathing engine not to mention wings
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:30 am

    From what I have read the KS-172 seems to be an air launched S-400 long range missile so in the future they could put even the S-500 missiles on board to attack satellites too.

    Fitting it now with the R-37 makes sense as it is a mature in service weapon... a bit like fitting R-77s to the Su-35 and PAK FA... new weapons are being developed but for now these are the best they can operate.

    Regarding lasers and other weapons for now dazzling or destroying optical components like DIRCMs makes a lot of sense... later on the performance will improve and other options become options....


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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  Azi on Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:15 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:2) i wonder what "near space means" ? 30+ ? but then how about air breathing engine not to mention wings
    With a small reserve of oxygen it would be possible to power the engines for a small time. And by the way...higher speed means that it's possible to reach higher altitude, even without a reserve of oxygen Wink
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    Re: MiG-41 New Interceptor:

    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:55 am

    I think it will be more the weapons of the MiG-41 reaching near space rather than the aircraft itself... the SR-71 had even less ability to climb to high altitude than the slower MiG-31 or MiG-25, so speed alone does not buy you altitude.

    Having said that the MiG-41 will almost certainly carry anti satellite weapons like the S-500 in an air launched model...

    It will likely also be able to launch small satellites too.


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