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    NationalRus
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    Russia to buy 10 billion € in foreign arms by 2016

    Post  NationalRus on Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:25 pm

    The Russian Defense Ministry may spend up to 10 billion euros on European and Israeli weaponry in the next five or six years, Russian daily Vedomosti reported on Tuesday.

    An investigation carried out by military experts from Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies estimated foreign purchases of weaponry for Russian Armed Forces over the next two years at some 4 billion euros.

    This sum includes four major deals.

    * the discussed acquisition of four Mistral-class helicopter carriers from the French naval shipbuilder DCNS estimated at 1.5 billion euros.

    * a 1.5 billion-euro contract to be concluded with Italian company Iveco on the assembly of 3,000 Light Multirole Vehicle (LMV) armored vehicles at the Russian Kamaz plant

    * an expected contract with Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) on licensed production of three models of unmanned aerial vehicles - I-View MK150 short range aircraft, Searcher II short-range drones and Heron long-range drones - which the experts said could be worth up to $300 million

    * a 300 million-euro deal with France's Thales and Safran groups on supplies of additional lots for assembling thermal imaging systems and aircraft targeting containers

    To bring the half-decade total up to 10 billion euros, the think tank experts included the possible joint development and procurement of warships from DCNS, armored vehicles from French and German firms as well as military electronics from Israel, Vedomosti reported.

    Despite beginning to import weaponry from Western countries in significant volumes, Russia will also remain a large-scale exporter of weapons. In 2009, deliveries to foreign customers were worth $8.5 billion.

    However, Igor Korotchenko, head of Center for Analysis of Global Arms Trade think tank, said arms imports were not likely to exceed 2.5-3 billion euros over the next five or six years, as the issue remains politically sensitive in Russia and depends both on relations with exporting countries and environment at 2011-2012 political election.

    The Russian government is caught between the need to modernize its military and to support its defense sector, which lacks the capacity to fulfill the army's needs after years of underinvestment.

    MOSCOW, June 15 (RIA Novosti)
    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20100615/159428123.html

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    Re: Purchases of Foreign military equipment: Positives & Negatives

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:12 pm

    We have already spent a billion dollars on French items.

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    Re: Purchases of Foreign military equipment: Positives & Negatives

    Post  NationalRus on Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:27 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:We have already spent a billion dollars on French items.
    what specialy is already bought for 1 bilion?

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    Re: Purchases of Foreign military equipment: Positives & Negatives

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:00 am

    Just setting up production facilities for the Catherine and ESSM thermal imagers to go on Russian tanks and armoured vehicles will cost a large fraction of a billion dollars.

    The problem with upgrading to state of the art is that it is very expensive.

    The good thing about upgrading to state of the art is that despite it being spent on foreign items they will largely be made in Russia so that will be good for the Russian economy... especially in the case of the deal with Thales of France where some were bought that were made in France and the rest will be made in Russia but in the future if a third country wants French thermal imagers they can buy Russian made models that are cheaper than French made ones and the French company will be party to the agreement and get a cut, so they get their products made cheaper than they could make them and they will probably get access to markets that they otherwise would not be able to sell on anyway.

    For example if Iran came to Russia and asked if it could buy some Flankers to replace its last remaining F-14s and it wants external pod mounted systems like Damocles or the Russian Sapsan or Sollux or the simpler Platan that might include French parts then it is easier to put in French designed Russian made parts than to actually get France involved directly. The French still make money (though if they really didn't want Iran to have their tech they certainly could veto the sale of French designed licence produced parts if they wanted to) Iran gets new planes and Russia sells some more weapons. The US and UK will complain of course, which is rather hypocritical because Iran has mostly western equipment anyway, with F-4s and F-14s and HAWK SAMs and various other bits and pieces.
    One huge irony is that the British Challanger tank had its development paid for by the Shah of Iran, if he hadn't ordered such a tank then the Abrams probably wouldn't have gotten its Chobham armour and certainly the British would not have had a decent tank during the 1980s.

    There will be stuff the Russians design and make that is good enough, there will be stuff the Russians make that is not good enough and foreign stuff that is available that is better and there is stuff that the Russians make that is not good enough and the foreign stuff is not for export.

    The solution is to buy the stuff the Russians make that is good to add money to that sector and keep it healthy, buy the stuff Russian stuff is behind in and licence produce it in Russia to get Russian stuff up to speed, and for the stuff you can't get... well that is what industrial espionage is for isn't it?
    Either that or a bit of investment.

    BTW to that list above you would have to add the cost of eventually up to 100 or so An-70s too as imports.

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    Re: Purchases of Foreign military equipment: Positives & Negatives

    Post  Austin on Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:56 am

    An interesting interview on how inferior Western equipment are being imported in the guise of imports.

    Vest in a billion: Open letter to the leaders of the Russian defense led by Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov

    Putin warning is timely and appropriate on not to overspend on imports.

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    Re: Purchases of Foreign military equipment: Positives & Negatives

    Post  medo on Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:10 pm

    An interesting interview on how inferior Western equipment are being imported in the guise of imports.

    Vest in a billion: Open letter to the leaders of the Russian defense led by Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov

    Putin warning is timely and appropriate on not to overspend on imports.

    I agree with Putin here. It's not vise to become dependent on imports of any kind.

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    Re: Purchases of Foreign military equipment: Positives & Negatives

    Post  Austin on Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:01 am

    This is big news

    Russia To Train With German Know-how

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    Re: Purchases of Foreign military equipment: Positives & Negatives

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:39 am

    I rather suspect the Russians will try to buy the licence to operate this training system on their own and evolve the capability of updating it themselves.

    They will have a lot of new systems coming on line in the 2013-2015 time period and I doubt they will want to hand over fairly detailed information needed to simulate these items and vehicles to Germany... no matter how friendly they are.

    BTW your article had something more than my posts... it has dates and deadlines.

    From what I have read this system can be used to train individual soldiers on individual pieces of kit, like rifles, grenade launchers and missile systems, right up through vehicles with full crews, missile batteries with multiple vehicles, to a full Brigade all working together.

    More than just a training tool, as mentioned in the article, this will enable developers of systems to see how their systems interact on a real (simulated) battlefield.

    It will be a good way to train commanders and individual soldiers to use new assets like UAVs, from divisional UAVs down to hand launched systems at unit level just as one example.

    Experience in operating in different terrain without burning fuel or using ammo or wearing out vehicles will be useful... but I can see each military district wanting their own system.

    I assume each system can simulate all the brigade types, including artillery and other specialised units.

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