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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat May 21, 2016 11:16 am

    Sorry Solncepek but you're on my mute list now.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat May 21, 2016 6:02 pm

    Solncepek wrote:POOR RUSSIA...

    Россия не планирует поставлять Ирану танки или истребители, боевые платформы попадают под ограничение, заявил глава ФСВТС Андрей Фомин.

    «Нет, не планируем», — сказал Фомин, отвечая на соответствующий вопрос журналистов.

    Боевые платформы — универсальная базовая ходовая часть, используемая для производства различных видов военной техники сухопутных войск — танки, бронетранспортеры, боевые машины пехоты.

    «Боевые платформы все попадают под ограничение. Когда будут раскрепощены соответствующие ограничения, тогда, возможно, и поговорим. На сегодняшний день разрешено только стрелковое вооружение и прочие нелетальные средства, средства ПВО, локация. Танки, самолеты, корабли, ракеты, которые предназначены для нападения, скажем так, то это все попадает под санкции ООН», — добавил Фомин.

    most people on here dont understand Russian and the forum is in english so why post in Russian???? English please.

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 21, 2016 6:17 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Solncepek wrote:POOR RUSSIA...

    Россия не планирует поставлять Ирану танки или истребители, боевые платформы попадают под ограничение, заявил глава ФСВТС Андрей Фомин.

    «Нет, не планируем», — сказал Фомин, отвечая на соответствующий вопрос журналистов.

    Боевые платформы — универсальная базовая ходовая часть, используемая для производства различных видов военной техники сухопутных войск — танки, бронетранспортеры, боевые машины пехоты.

    «Боевые платформы все попадают под ограничение. Когда будут раскрепощены соответствующие ограничения, тогда, возможно, и поговорим. На сегодняшний день разрешено только стрелковое вооружение и прочие нелетальные средства, средства ПВО, локация. Танки, самолеты, корабли, ракеты, которые предназначены для нападения, скажем так, то это все попадает под санкции ООН», — добавил Фомин.

    most people on here dont understand Russian and the forum is in english so why post in Russian???? English please.

    The idiot is talking about the lack of sales of mil equip to Iran.

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  Solncepek on Sat May 21, 2016 6:33 pm

    sepheronx wrote:

    The idiot...

    Personal insult - i understand his anger to this news - but his behaviour is unacceptable...
    Mod, please act!

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    Especially for d_taddei2 :


    Russia has no intention of selling tanks to Iran, the chief of the federal service for military-technical cooperation Alexander Fomin has said, TASS reports.

    "Such deals might be possible only when the bans are gone. Tanks, ships, missiles and other attack weapons fall under UN sanctions," he said.

    The official has also pointed out that Russia is not working on "absolutely new " contracts to supply Iran with weapons.


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 21, 2016 6:34 pm

    Solncepek wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    The idiot...

    Personal insult - i understand his anger to this news - but his behaviour is unacceptable...
    Mod, please act!

    Rules don't apply to trolls... Razz

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat May 21, 2016 11:44 pm

    Solncepek wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    The idiot...

    Personal insult - i understand his anger to this news - but his behaviour is unacceptable...
    Mod, please act!

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    Especially for  d_taddei2 :


    Russia has no intention of selling tanks to Iran, the chief of the federal service for military-technical cooperation Alexander Fomin has said, TASS reports.

    "Such deals might be possible only when the bans are gone. Tanks, ships, missiles and other attack weapons fall under UN sanctions," he said.

    The official has also pointed out that Russia is not working on "absolutely new " contracts to supply Iran with weapons.

    thanks but i find this hard to believe considering that S-300 has now been deliver wouldn't this come under your so called bans? S-300 is more of a threat than tanks. I personally think there will be some big deals coming, along with production set ups in Iran most likely for Su-30, Mi-17, T-90, but with initial order first delivered from Russia then rest build in Iran

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  George1 on Sun May 22, 2016 2:34 am

    'A Partner We Can Trust': Iran Chooses Russia to Build Bushehr Nuke Plant

    Russia’s State Atomic Energy Corporation, Rosatom, will start work on Iran’s Bushehr-2 nuclear power plant by the end of this year after the construction site preparations are completed.

    “We hope that the Iranian side will identify seismic parameters at the site so we could start work on several new blocks already before this year is out,” a source at Rosatom said on Thursday.

    Russia has already built a power plant in Bushehr. The agreement for the construction of the Bushehr nuclear power plant was finalized in 1995, but the project was delayed several times due to a number of technical and financial issues.

    “Even with the international sanctions now lifted and foreign investors coming in, Iran still prefers to deal with its trusted partner, Russia,” Mahmoud Shoori, head of the Eurasia Program at the Center for Strategic Research in Tehran, told Radio Sputnik.

    Mahmoud Shoori said that after the construction and launch of the first stage of the Bushehr plant, Iran realized that it needed at least two more units and decided to give the job to Russia’s Rosatom.

    “Our longtime experience of productive cooperation with Russia and the technological potential Russia demonstrated during the construction of Bushehr-1 convinced us that we had made the right choice.” Mahmoud Shoori said.

    “Russia has a clear edge over all other potential contractors and we are certain that Russia is taking this job very seriously and is a partner we can trust,” Mahmoud Shoori emphasized.

    Bushehr-1 was launched in September 2011 and reached its maximum power generation capacity in August 2012.

    In September 2013, Iran officially took over from Russia the first unit of its first 1,000-megawatt nuclear power plants for two years and in November 2014 the two countries signed an agreement whereby Russia was commissioned to build another four units total.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160520/1039943927/iran-russia-bushehr.html#ixzz49L9q5U00


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 22, 2016 9:00 am

    Personal insult - i understand his anger to this news - but his behaviour is unacceptable...
    Mod, please act!

    You are quite right, but the problem is that you have not read his post properly... he stated, and I quote...

    The idiot is talking about the lack of sales of mil equip to Iran.

    It is however clear that the idiot talking about lack of sales is the person who wrote the article... did you write the article, or did you just post it.

    While I have my Mods hat on, you also broke the rules in posting an article without english translation... this is an english forum and it clearly states in the rules not to post in foreign languages without translations into english...


    You still want action from a mod?


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  crod on Mon May 23, 2016 2:39 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Solncepek wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    The idiot...

    Personal insult - i understand his anger to this news - but his behaviour is unacceptable...
    Mod, please act!

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    Especially for  d_taddei2 :


    Russia has no intention of selling tanks to Iran, the chief of the federal service for military-technical cooperation Alexander Fomin has said, TASS reports.

    "Such deals might be possible only when the bans are gone. Tanks, ships, missiles and other attack weapons fall under UN sanctions," he said.

    The official has also pointed out that Russia is not working on "absolutely new " contracts to supply Iran with weapons.

    thanks but i find this hard to believe considering that S-300 has now been deliver wouldn't this come under your so called bans? S-300 is more of a threat than tanks. I personally think there will be some big deals coming, along with production set ups in Iran most likely for Su-30, Mi-17, T-90, but with initial order first delivered from Russia then rest build in Iran

    No. The s300 is defence only. The other systems you mention can cross land and air borders to attack.

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  George1 on Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:39 am

    True to Tehran: Russian Loan Reflects 'Mutually Beneficial Partnership'

    Russia's move to provide a 2.5-billion-euro loan to Iran indicates that even anti-Russian sanctions cannot stop Moscow from expanding its economic ties with its southern partner, Omid Shokri Kalehsar, a US-based Iranian energy expert, told Sputnik.

    In an interview with Sputnik, Omid Shokri Kalehsar, a US-based Iranian energy expert, heaped praise on Russia for providing Iran with a 2.5-billion-euro loan, which he said reflects Moscow's drive to bolster economic relations with Tehran in the face of anti-Russian sanctions.

    The interview came a few days after Russia's Deputy Finance Minister Sergey Storchak said that Moscow is ready to loan Tehran up to 2.5 billion euros for infrastructure projects.

    Kalehsar recalled that Moscow is currently constructing a bridge to link the Crimean Peninsula with mainland Russia, a 4.5-billion-dollar project which is being implemented amid sanctions that the EU, the US and other countries slapped on Russia.

    "But in spite of this, Russia is ready to take the most difficult and important decisions, including on the issue of granting a hefty loan to Iran. In any case, everything is based on a mutually beneficial partnership with both parties due to get their desired benefits," Kalehsar said.

    He added that the current 2.5-billion-euro loan is a sign that Russia and Iran intend to develop their economic ties and elevate them to a new level.

    "Many Russian energy giants, such as Lukoil, Gazprom and Rosatom are returning to the Iranian market to continue bilateral cooperation in the energy sector. Right now, the sides are in the process of negotiating a spate of new major contracts," he said.

    Kalehsar also pointed to the fact that even international sanctions against Tehran failed to keep Russia and Iran from developing a full-blown economic partnership.

    Major Russian companies that were engaged in the implementation of large-scale projects in Iran's energy sector at the time did their best to deliver on their promises and fulfill the infrastructure-related part of the projects, according to Kalehsar.

    Since 2014, the European Union, the United States and their allies have imposed several rounds of sanctions against Russia, and accuse the Kremlin of interfering in the Ukrainian conflict — a claim that Moscow has repeatedly denied.

    On June 28-29, the EU leaders are due to decide on the further prolongation of sanctions at a summit in Brussels.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160612/1041193769/russia-iran-loan-cooperation.html#ixzz4BMAFV6b4


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:01 pm

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
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    Since Iran is ready to give preferential treatment to Russia, and a good gesture which can help a genuine healthy mutual cooperation in the years to come, Russia needs to market the Tu-204 and IL-96 series to Iran. Unfortunately, there is no sign yet that Russian Govt/agencies have done that.
    Forget about these two aircraft, both have been abandoned by OAK and are produced a few units a year for government and air force. Russia must make all efforts possible to sell at least some dozens SSJ and MS-21 aircraft to Iran.

    They don't seem the least interested in Russian airliners so far, even though MS-21 or SSJ would make a lot of sense for their fleets. It's quite bad for Russia really. Lets hope after EU, US orders a Russian one will follow. Suspect

    Boeing deal will send 100 new jetliners to Iran

    Boeing says it has signed a historic agreement to sell jetliners to Iran Air, the first major deal between a U.S. company and Iran since nuclear-related sanctions were lifted earlier this year. Boeing (BA) declined to say how many aircraft are part of the deal, but Iran's state media has said the country's flag carrier will receive 100 new jetliners. The new aircraft should help modernize a fleet that is among the oldest and most dangerous in the world.

    Boeing said Tuesday that the U.S. government had authorized its negotiations with Iran, and that it would continue to follow the government's lead. "Any and all contracts with Iran's airlines will be contingent upon U.S. government approval," it said. Boeing isn't the only manufacturer to capitalize on the bonanza of new Iranian aircraft orders. Iran Air has already announced a huge deal for 118 aircraft from its rival Airbus (EADSF).

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/21/news/companies/boeing-iran-air-planes-deal/

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:23 pm

    If they were going for regional liner aircrafts, then SSJ-100 or MS-21 would be ideal. But since they need something to replace all their old international airliner aircraft, well, Boeing and Airbus has the monopoly on it. Even Russian carriers still use Boeing because of that. It won't be till the joint Chinese/Russian aircraft that they will have something in that category since due to heavy corruption in 90's, Il-96 died (don't even try to debate this, we gone over it to death in prior articles in the civil aircraft thread)

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:30 pm

    sepheronx wrote:If they were going for regional liner aircrafts, then SSJ-100 or MS-21 would be ideal. But since they need something to replace all their old international airliner aircraft, well, Boeing and Airbus has the monopoly on it. Even Russian carriers still use Boeing because of that. It won't be till the joint Chinese/Russian aircraft that they will have something in that category since due to heavy corruption in 90's, Il-96 died (don't even try to debate this, we gone over it to death in prior articles in the civil aircraft thread)

    Didn't mention Russian wide bodies, they have been dead since USSR collapsed.

    I mentioned the SSJ (regional) and MS-21 (narrow body) categories, with western engines which are exactly what Iran will be after.  Gulf, Pakistan and Turkey (even India) are markets where these planes can thrive in/out of Iran and of course domestic, Iran itself.

    Those 100 Boeings and another 100+ Airbus planes will not be wide bodies only. Quite the opposite.

    edit: and it's confirmed:

    Iran's national carrier, Iran Air, said on Monday that it wants to buy new generations of the Boeing 737, as well as the 300ER and 900 version of Boeing 777.

    http://www.business-standard.com/article/international/boeing-signs-sales-agreement-with-iran-air-116062100463_1.html

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:23 pm

    Russia prepares deal on 2.2 billion euro loan to Iran — minister

    Russia’s energy minister says representatives of Iranian, Russian Central Banks will meet in August

    MOSCOW, July 29. /TASS/. Russia and Iran have prepared a package of agreements on allocating a 2.2 billion euro loan to Tehran, Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak told journalists on Friday.

    "These two draft agreements were coordinated in the Russian government - 2.2 billion euros in total in the framework of agreements will be provided as an inter-state loan," Novak said after talks with Iranian Minister of Communication Mahmoud Vaezi.

    Banks' cooperation

    According to the minister, Russia and Iran agree to continue cooperation in the banking sphere.

    "We agree there is a need to continue working in the field of developing relations in the banking sphere," Novak said.

    The minister added that representatives of Iranian, Russian Central Banks will meet in August.

    "As far as I know, the nearest meeting between our [Russia and Iran] central banks will be held in August. A relevant working team meeting to summarize once again measures for cooperation development in this [banking] sphere will be held in September," Novak said.

    Free trade zone

    Novak went on to say that the decision to create a zone of free trade with Iran may be adopted by the end of this year.

    "We discussed creation of a zone of free trade, marking progress. We expect by the end of the year, that the joint research group will end its work and present a plan of events to prepare an agreement," Novak said.

    Thirteen agreements, over 70 projects

    Iran and Russia in the near future will sign 13 agreements, Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak told journalists on Friday.

    "13 agreements will be signed in the near future," Novak said.

    "We agreed to prepare an industry roadmap in the coming future with the list of specific projects, over 70, which will be comprised in this roadmap and implemented," Novak said.

    Contract on building 4 power units

    Russia’s Technopromexport and Iran’s Thermal Power Plants Holding Company have signed a contract for the construction of four power units of the Hormozgan thermal power plant with a capacity of 350 MW each on a turnkey basis, a TASS correspondent reports from the signing ceremony.


    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/economy/891489?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=im


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  Resistance on Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:41 pm

    Iran is Iraq's boss and Iraq is the center of civilization. Sumer. Iran is absolutely crucial to Russia. Even if Russia breaks ties with Israel, Russia cannot afford to lose influence on Iran.

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  OminousSpudd on Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:25 pm

    Iranians claiming they have T-90MS. Looks like one of those not-so-elaborate fakes to me.


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  Resistance on Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:06 pm

    Iran kicks Russia out of Iran.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/4z2qlh/iran_revokes_russias_use_of_air_base_saying/

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  Resistance on Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:39 pm

    Russia wants to be cahoots with Israel, with the Semits? Fine. Iran is Indo European. Iran don't need Russia for long range air defense. Iran build Bavar 373. Go be cahoots with Israel, with the Semits. Russia will never get anything out of that.

    http://defence.pk/threads/breaking-bavar-373-air-defense-system-shown-for-first-time.445324/

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:11 pm

    Russia, Iran Sign Deal Worth $1Bln to Build Offshore Drilling Rigs for Tehran

    Russia's Krasnye Barrikady Shipyard made a deal with Iran's Tasdid Offshore Development Company worth $1 billion.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia's Krasnye Barrikady Shipyard made a deal with Iran's Tasdid Offshore Development Company worth $1 billion to build offshore drilling rigs to be used in the oil and gas exploration project in the Persian Gulf, media reported on Saturday. The deal signed by the companies' CEOs Aleksandr Ilichev and Ehsan Mousavi provides that the drilling rigs will be built in the Iranian city of Khorramshahr within the next two years, IRNA news agency said. The media added that 85 percent of works under the contract would be executed by the Russian side.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20160827/1044701733/russia-iran-sign-drilling-deal.html


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    Can Iran Still Trust Russia?

    Post  Arash_IMV on Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:31 pm

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    Hi all,


    Just finished my sixth vlog on Youtube called "Can Iran Still Trust Russia?" which deals with the purchase of the S-300 system and Russia's attitude vis-a-vis Iran.

    Just to be clear, this is not an attack on Russia, but rather a critical assessment of what has taken place in the last ten years between the two countries and the implications thereof for multipolarity.

    I am not *against* Russia at all but I do believe in healthy cooperation which has been damaged by past experiences.


    Let me know what you think:




    Description of the video:

    After nine years, Russia delivered Almaz-Antey's S300 missile to Iran in April, 2016. But why the delay? Find out here.

    The political détente between Iran and Russia began in 1989. In that year, Russian Foreign Minister Shevardnadze met Ayatollah Khomeini after the Soviet pullout in Afghanistan. A few months later, president Rafsanjani met with Mikhail Gorbachev to discuss cooperation on the use of peaceful atomic energy. These series of meetings spawned atomic cooperation agreements to be signed in 1992. The Soviet Union's weakness and its ultimate dissolution accelerated calls within Russia to revive Russia's nuclear industry abroad.

    From the mid-2000s, both countries had seen relations deteriorate. In Iran, the deregulation of the Khatami administration shifted towards an autarky-minded Ahmadinejad government insisting on Iran autonomously developing a full nuclear cycle.

    Russia's buildup after the Soviet collapse left it desperate to maintain Iran as a purchasing market. The Russians provided Iran with light-water nuclear reactors (LWRS) in 1992, the Bushehr plant was reconstructed through a $1 billion contract in 1995 and other side agreements included the negotiated delivery of a gas-centrifuge uranium enrichment facility. With the prospects of an increasingly independent Iran ahead and rapprochement with Washington, Russia decided to punish the Iranians through various international mechanisms.

    The delay of the S300 therefore serves as a case study illuminating the selfish economic interests of two states on the one hand, and the indifference by Russia to enhance regional security on the other.


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:23 am

    I would consider relations are actually rather good, considering the period you talk about... 1989 and onwards is a period of time just after Iran actively supported terrorists killing Soviet troops in Afghanistan.

    Regarding S-300 sales to Iran, there was enormous pressure put on Russia to deliver nothing and to cut ties building nuclear reactors in Iran too... pressure from the US and EU and Israel... it is amusing you blame Russia for not delivering S-300s and yet are so keen to buy US civilian aircraft from a country that has tried so hard to undermine your country.

    Iran produces a range of weapons on its own... some of which are copies of Soviet designs... trust is earned.

    Why does Iran need S-300 when it clearly makes even better long range missiles itself...


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:01 am

    GarryB wrote:I would consider relations are actually rather good, considering the period you talk about... 1989 and onwards is a period of time just after Iran actively supported terrorists killing Soviet troops in Afghanistan.

    Regarding S-300 sales to Iran, there was enormous pressure put on Russia to deliver nothing and to cut ties building nuclear reactors in Iran too... pressure from the US and EU and Israel... it is amusing you blame Russia for not delivering S-300s and yet are so keen to buy US civilian aircraft from a country that has tried so hard to undermine your country.

    Iran produces a range of weapons on its own... some of which are copies of Soviet designs... trust is earned.

    Why does Iran need S-300 when it clearly makes even better long range missiles itself...

    Come now Garry, we both know that Medvedev was trying to play ball with Washington, then Arab spring happened, Libya, Syria and the final cord Ukraine made the situation crystal clear,.... Perhaps they're trying to acquire U.S aircraft because Russia has proven "unreliable" in the past.

    Semantics aside, i don't believe Russia was being hostile to Iran, more like they were disinterested.

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:26 am

    Arash_IMV wrote:.

    Hi all,


    Just finished my sixth vlog on Youtube called "Can Iran Still Trust Russia?" which deals with the purchase of the S-300 system and Russia's attitude vis-a-vis Iran.

    Just to be clear, this is not an attack on Russia, but rather a critical assessment of what has taken place in the last ten years between the two countries and the implications thereof for multipolarity.

    I am not *against* Russia at all but I do believe in healthy cooperation which has been damaged by past experiences.


    Let me know what you think:




    Description of the video:

    After nine years, Russia delivered Almaz-Antey's S300 missile to Iran in April, 2016. But why the delay? Find out here.

    The political détente between Iran and Russia began in 1989. In that year, Russian Foreign Minister Shevardnadze met Ayatollah Khomeini after the Soviet pullout in Afghanistan. A few months later, president Rafsanjani met with Mikhail Gorbachev to discuss cooperation on the use of peaceful atomic energy. These series of meetings spawned atomic cooperation agreements to be signed in 1992. The Soviet Union's weakness and its ultimate dissolution accelerated calls within Russia to revive Russia's nuclear industry abroad.

    From the mid-2000s, both countries had seen relations deteriorate. In Iran, the deregulation of the Khatami administration shifted towards an autarky-minded Ahmadinejad government insisting on Iran autonomously developing a full nuclear cycle.

    Russia's buildup after the Soviet collapse left it desperate to maintain Iran as a purchasing market. The Russians provided Iran with light-water nuclear reactors (LWRS) in 1992, the Bushehr plant was reconstructed through a $1 billion contract in 1995 and other side agreements included the negotiated delivery of a gas-centrifuge uranium enrichment facility. With the prospects of an increasingly independent Iran ahead and rapprochement with Washington, Russia decided to punish the Iranians through various international mechanisms.

    The delay of the S300 therefore serves as a case study illuminating the selfish economic interests of two states on the one hand, and the indifference by Russia to enhance regional security on the other.


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    Punishing Iran when exactly? If Iran wasn't bombed already is in part due to Russia using Iran as a trump card. If S-300 is the point you want to lean on to muster Russia punishing anyone, the you should look at Russia's role in the oil surge which was also a great help to Iran's beleaguered economy.

    In both cases Russia acted in a cold, calculated manner while maintaining its rectitude in the deals, they were frozen, not canceled and Iran has its own fallacies about "multi polar" relationships. Especially given the rather large reliance on its own diaspora network for facilitating business with Western Powers.

    If anything one could even say that Bushehr isn't all that interesting when it comes to alliances, while the way Russia reacted towards the US strategical fallacies (also because it was clear that Iran was only a pretext on many accounts) and stalled as discretely as possible the push for war that slowly but surely was being prepared and that culminated with the famous 2009 "revolution" that happened everywhere in the Western Press but didn't really exist in Iran itself.

    I find also very interesting that Iran would consider the ties damaged while Iran itself has no exchange token and the other alternative to Russia for many issues is China, which behaved even more cowardly than Russia with a lot of statements but few actions. And on the international stage, China even used the Iranian crisis for its own interest by playing the oil market which is coherent, China being a net importer of oil.

    There is a deep issue with Iran however, while I do like the country and have found it pretty amazing in any occasion I have had to visit it (last one in May of this year), on a political level the system is very complicated to deal with. Russia isn't exactly crazed to watch Iran gear for a largely ideological confrontation in the Muslim world that is overlapping other more strategical concerns. Russia isn't all that thrilled to see that Iran is being allowed back in the oil market at the dead center of the biggest oil slump of this century, nor is it all that crazed about Iran being embroiled in Iraq and Syria while the US is all over both crisis trying to turn everything to shit.

    The biggest problem in my opinion isn't that both sides can't trust each other, it's that both sides have no credible options except each other. Until China decides it won't be D-riding Russia internationally, Iran has no other partners to assert its own interests in the region.


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:58 am

    Come now Garry, we both know that Medvedev was trying to play ball with Washington, then Arab spring happened, Libya, Syria and the final cord Ukraine made the situation crystal clear,.... Perhaps they're trying to acquire U.S aircraft because Russia has proven "unreliable" in the past.

    Semantics aside, i don't believe Russia was being hostile to Iran, more like they were disinterested.

    Sorry, I wasn't clear.

    My point was that the non sale of S-300 to Iran was not about Russia and Iran... it was about Russia and the US and Russia and the EU and Russia and Israel.

    The reason they were unreliable was because of the US and EU and Israeli pressure... in the scheme of things a sale of S-300 to Iran is not actually worth that much money and if it hurt relations with the US/EU/Israel then Russia really needed to consider her options. Of course with hindsight the US and EU imposed sanctions fairly readily against Russia anyway, but Iran is hardly a buddy that Russia should get upset about upsetting.

    Iran seems happy with F-14s and modified F-5s rather than Flankers and Fulcrums.



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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:09 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Come now Garry, we both know that Medvedev was trying to play ball with Washington, then Arab spring happened, Libya, Syria and the final cord Ukraine made the situation crystal clear,.... Perhaps they're trying to acquire U.S aircraft because Russia has proven "unreliable" in the past.

    Semantics aside, i don't believe Russia was being hostile to Iran, more like they were disinterested.

    Sorry, I wasn't clear.

    My point was that the non sale of S-300 to Iran was not about Russia and Iran... it was about Russia and the US and Russia and the EU and Russia and Israel.

    The reason they were unreliable was because of the US and EU and Israeli pressure... in the scheme of things a sale of S-300 to Iran is not actually worth that much money and if it hurt relations with the US/EU/Israel then Russia really needed to consider her options. Of course with hindsight the US and EU imposed sanctions fairly readily against Russia anyway, but Iran is hardly a buddy that Russia should get upset about upsetting.

    Iran seems happy with F-14s and modified F-5s rather than Flankers and Fulcrums.


    IT's not. The problem is that the acquisition of SU-27 series is a matter of contention and could be raised at the UNSC. Iran wants them, Russia wants to offload them but it is going to be problem within 5 years anyway, because most of the weapons would then be impossible to export against the UN ban. So what good is it to sell planes without weapons?

    My opinion stays the same, send pilots, tankers, specialized assets to Russia, open cooperation programs, train the hell out of their personnel and then discover the Iranians have "reverse-engineered" cum laude Russian systems. Yes it is convoluted and yes it is cheap, but Iran needs the know-how now. Tools could come n short notice if the personnel is ready and trained. Plus Syrian trainees, Iranian trainees, could you tell the difference, given both could be trained "in Arabic" material.

    I think the Russians know this and this cat and mouse game is happening, at least in Syria.

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