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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:19 pm

    From my understandung they replaced the american components on the lates of PS engines.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:52 pm

    Dima wrote:
    Same fate awaits MS-21 coz of western suppliers/inputs....We will know in time if the sanctions on Russia have affected the programme or not.
    Like I felt earlier, the idiots likely did not promote the Tu-204/214 to Iran and instead wanted to push their new kid on block the Sukhoi's SSJ...

    MS-21 now is supposed to be without western components isn´t it?



    There is enough room for Tu-204 to get into Iranian market but from what we hear, there is absolutely no weight being put behind Tu-204 promotion, which is really unfortunate. No one is even talking about the new and lighter weight (they shaved off like more than 3 tons I think) Tu-204SM which is a real shame.

    Agreed for both maritime version and passenger one. For countries with tight budget which want to have rugged reliable liner. BTW Boeing 737 and Airbus 320 are not really newer designs, aren´t they?


    I can see one more option here: Iran could be a partner in production of Tu-204. this would make one more client buying Tu planes and off-load Tu factory which soon is going to need more capacity to work on bombers.



    Dima wrote: This year we will be able to see the beautiful Yak-152 trainer in air and dont know if Iran will be interested. Bangladesh is probably the first outside customer and China have its own version of the Yak-152 which came out of joint collaboration with Russia.

    Yak-130 won and there´s not much sense to loose capacity on 2 different lines. I am big fan of light fighter based on Yak-130 components. Or MiG LFI with vertical landing Smile


    Joint collaboration with Russia magically materialized L-15 which should be in fact Yak-130 light fighter/bomber version and Iranian Sageh or whatever Smile

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:18 am

    sepheronx wrote:From my understandung they replaced the american components on the lates of PS engines.
    Really? That is good news.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:15 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Iran is considering the option of equipping the Russian air force su-30

    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160210/1372363476.html#ixzz3zn5m8ptc

    Why not MiG-35? would not be cheaper. Or also Yak-130 based light fighter in big numbers.

    I think this is mainly down to the fact Iran will want to produce the aircraft long term, and the Iranian like the chinese like to copy equipment so maybe Russia doesn't want them to copy their new baby(Mig-35).


    It is not abut love to copy but in case of severe sanctions to be able to do at least at copy level. Russia also denied S-300 influenced by zionist lobby. MiG-35 export version is still better then Su-30 not as a platform but as a multifunctional platform that still can do the job and better in terms of cost-effectiveness.


    MiG-29M?as a stopgap before MiG-35 arrived agreed. Other planes? Su-34? Su-30? sure nice BUT costs would kill Iran.

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    I doubt Yak-130 will be purchased anytime soon considering that Iran has 30x HESA Azarakhsh, 6x HESA Saeqeh, 60x Northrop F-5 Tiger II(modernised), and 20x Chengdu F-7 Airguard, and they have some Mig-29, and F5 trainers along with 25x HESA Dorna trainers, so the need for Yak-130 is slim.

    Well F-5 as a airframe might be OK but IMHO is not even close anything like Yak-130 in terms of avionics.

    You mentioned Saegeh - was in large part designed by MiG. Still in their money state (military budget like 14BLN $/yr) and  dire needs lotsa localized fairly simple but effektive fighters (Yak-135? ) IMHO makes more sense then 12 or 24 Su-30.

    Logistics also had price: as little models as possible an das many unified capable platforms.


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    i would also buy a mix of Mi-35 and Mi-28. Iran is lacking decent attack helicopters, the Toufan a copy of

    Ansat is very light, mi-2 class. Good choice wtr costs but I am still convinced Mi-24 (upgraded and overhauled form Russian stocks are better) and eventually licensed  Mi-35.


    d_taddei2 wrote:
    the only thing really that the Iranian's dont need to purchase are UAV's this is a field despite sanctions have managed to produce fairly decent UAV's. (Russia take note).

    Iran´s UAV are build as reverse engineering or with usage of commercial modules. Russia cannot  offer heavy class based on PAK-FA and other make no sense indeed.


    i agree the Mig-35 is indeed a great aircraft i think the only thing the Su-30 has on the Mig-35 is more range. And of course i would rather see the
    Yak-130 (armed) being flown by the Iranians i just dont see it happening due the number of F5 still in service and most have now had upgrades to which extend i dont know, and even if they were to come out of the armed role could still be used for trainers for some years, and like i said in the distant future that Yak-130 would be a good choice to buy. On the Mi-24 subject i thought most of the Mi24 frame in Russian service were nearing the end of their airframe life. Like i mention on the Ansat these would be bought to replace the Bell 214 and 205 which is pretty similar in size, and that the armed version Ansat 2RC would be ideal for scout/light attack, a mix of Mi-35 and these would be ideal. What i meant by Russia take note i feel this is an area where the Russian's compared to other countries are still lacking and behind on, i know they have had UAV/drones for over a 50yrs but projects like the Mikoyan Skat being cancelled etc, but i have to admit i aint upto speed on UAV/UCAV Russian development as i haven't heard much news on the matter.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:26 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    i agree the Mig-35 is indeed a great aircraft i think the only thing the Su-30 has on the Mig-35 is more range. And of course i would rather see the
    Yak-130 (armed) being flown by the Iranians i just dont see it happening due the number of F5 still in service and most have now had upgrades to which extend i dont know, and even if they were to come out of the armed role could still be used for trainers for some years, and like i said in the distant future that Yak-130 would be a good choice to buy. On the Mi-24 subject i thought most of the Mi24 frame in Russian service were nearing the end of their airframe life. Like i mention on the Ansat these would be bought to replace the Bell 214 and 205 which is pretty similar in size, and that the armed version Ansat 2RC would be ideal for scout/light attack, a mix of Mi-35 and these would be ideal. What i meant by Russia take note i feel this is an area where the Russian's compared to other countries are still lacking and behind on, i know they have had UAV/drones for over a 50yrs but projects like the Mikoyan Skat being cancelled etc, but i have to admit i aint upto speed on UAV/UCAV Russian development as i haven't heard much news on the matter.

    Those are of course our speculations as for status Iran seems to be interested in Su-30SM with production option. Such an expensive plane could not go in meaningful numbers thus my suggestion of something light. Yak 130 based attack/fighter would make sense also as a marketing lever for other potential customers. Modifications of F-5 unlike Yak-130 have already "historical background" and I az sure Russian technology level is far beyond to what Iranians have so far.

    I also believe Iran-Russia partnership makes sense in terms of industrial cooperation. 90mlns of educated nation. Iran has no world exceptional place ambitions as just is too small. Is not Russophobic and in many ways is also against US/UK/Saudi/Turkey influence in Persian Gulf area.




    With helos I guess we agree Smile But let´s see how it goes. Yesterday was note that Iran is hoping to spend 8bln$ on new toys and also to overhaul of existing equipment.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:40 am

    Yak-130 won and there´s not much sense to loose capacity on 2 different lines. I am big fan of light fighter based on Yak-130 components. Or MiG LFI with vertical landing

    The Yak-152 is a turboprop basic trainer.

    A Yak-130 is a jet powered lead in fighter trainer... they are totally different and it would make sense to use both rather than one or the other.

    The turboprop you learn the very basics of flight and flight manouvers.

    The lead in fighter trainer you learn more complex things like controlling a multi engined aircraft and navigation and basic weapons.

    When you get to the unit you are assigned to then you learn in detail proper navigation and weapons operation, but you can use the LIFT for getting hours experience flying and keeping up your basic skills.

    From my understandung they replaced the american components on the lates of PS engines.

    I think I remember reading the PS-90A2 or A3 was an all Russian design with Russian parts.



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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Yak-130 won and there´s not much sense to loose capacity on 2 different lines. I am big fan of light fighter based on Yak-130 components. Or MiG LFI with vertical landing

    The Yak-152 is a turboprop basic trainer.

    A Yak-130 is a jet powered lead in fighter trainer... they are totally different and it would make sense to use both rather than one or the other.

    The turboprop you learn the very basics of flight and flight manouvers.

    The lead in fighter trainer you learn more complex things like controlling a multi engined aircraft and navigation and basic weapons.

    When you get to the unit you are assigned to then you learn in detail proper navigation and weapons operation, but you can use the LIFT for getting hours experience flying and keeping up your basic skills.


    I did not talk about Yak-152 but MiG-AT and Yak-130 Razz


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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:00 am

    Ahh... yes... both LIFTs... Embarassed

    It is a shame for the MiG-AT as it seems to be a good aircraft... but it does not make sense to have both.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:55 pm

    GarryB wrote:Ahh... yes... both LIFTs...  Embarassed

    It is a shame for the MiG-AT as it seems to be a good aircraft... but it does not make sense to have both.

    As for light fighters now there is no return to MiG-AT, Sukhoi S-56 (although this would be a great light fighter also as a deck one -11t mass) or MiG LFMS (although MiG with might eventually retun to concept LFMS).



    Only Yak-130 has a chance IMHO slim but still. Would be a great market potential, especially then Russians actually designed L-15 which seem to be a good basis for light platform.




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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  zg18 on Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:43 am

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    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:22 pm

    Russia ready to grant loan to Iran — finance ministry

    The only issue not being accorded is the legal implementation of the agreement

    MOSCOW, February 24. /TASS/. Russia is ready to grant a loan to Iran, the country’s deputy finance minister Sergey Storchak said Wednesday.

    "The degree of readiness [to grant a loan to Iran] is very high, with one of three issues we haven’t finally accorded yet being the legal implementation of the agreement, which is a separate matter," Storchak said.

    Credit to Iran is not related to the agreement on freezing oil production, Deputy Minister of Energy Anatoly Yanovsky stated earlier at the Krasnoyarsk Economic Forum.

    "These are completely different things. If we talk about credit, it is for specific investment projects of mutual interest to Iran, and Russia, and which are economically viable and self-sufficient in itself," he said.
    Overview of the agreement

    Last week Storchak said three issues are still open regarding two pilot loans to Iran - on railroad and electric power projects. He added that the two loans are considered as pilot "without any connection with the symbolic sum of $5 bln" (announced earlier as a potential volume of the loan to be granted to Iran - TASS).

    In February 2016, Russia and Iran have initialed documents for opening a $2.2 credit line within the visit of Iran's delegation to Moscow. "Documents for financing two contracts on construction of thermal stations and a railroad worth $2.2 bln have been initialed," Iranian Ambassador to Russia Mehdi Sanai said.

    In November 2015, after the talks between Russia’s President Vladimir Putin and Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Hassan Rouhani an intention to increase the trade turnover between the countries was announced. Putin declared determination to grant a $5 bln public export loan for financing joint projects. Russia and Iran also agreed a loan for financing the construction of a railroad and thermal stations in Iran during President Putin’s visit to Tehran.

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    http://tass.ru/en/economy/858504


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:26 am

    Iran National Bank Hopes to Resume Cooperation With Russian Banks Soon

    Due to the lifting of international sanctions against Tehran, the country's largest national bank, Bank Melli Iran, is eager to start working with major Russian banks again soon, according to the chief of its Russian branch.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Bank Melli Iran (BMI), the Islamic Republic’s national bank which is the largest in the Middle East, hopes to restore correspondence and cooperation with major Russian banks soon, now that the sanctions have been lifted from Tehran, BMI's Russian branch Mir Business Bank’s chief said.

    Most of the large Russian banks have disconnected their relations with Iranian banks in the past few years amid Western sanctions against Tehran imposed over fears Iran was developing nuclear weapons. The sanctions were lifted earlier this year, after the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) released a report in January stating that it had found no evidence of nuclear weapons development in Iran since 2009.

    "We have to restart our correspondent relationships with big banks. We have started this process now. Hopefully this relationship will be reestablished in a short period of time," Mohammad Hazzar told RIA Novosti.

    When asked whether he thought it was possible to establish correspondent relations between Russian and Iranian banks this year, Hazzar said "it is in the process; hopefully, within the next month it will start."

    According to Hazzar, BMI recently held negotiations with Russia’s Vneshtorgbank (VTB), Vneshekonombank (VEB), Gazprombank and Sberbank on the renewal of cooperation.

    BMI participates in the Russia-Iranian $5-billion credit deal, which envisages funds for Iranian projects mainly connected with Russian exports and services. Transfers and settlements for these projects are expected to be done by VEB through BMI.

    "Maybe we will have a mutual cooperation with VEB of implementing this credit line," Hazzar said in the interview.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160406/1037555012/iran-russia-bank-cooperation.html#ixzz4526aOttw


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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:06 pm

    Claims that the first S-300 have arrived in Iran. Not sure about the trucks but then Iran probably have their own equivalent so don't need them! Picked up from Aldi's twitter

    Babak Taghvaee ‏@BabakTaghvaee 4h4 hours ago

    #IRIGF's 65th Airborne Special Forces Brigade commandos escorted the #IRIADF's S-300s from Anzali to #Tehran, #Iran





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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:10 pm

    Bit of video on the S-300. Looks like a system with 4 maybe 8 (can't see the last truck very well) missiles


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    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:44 am

    Iran will give Russia priority in any industry it wants to invest in — official

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    Post  max steel on Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:49 pm

    Russia, China stops Saudi resolution to blacklist Hezbollah at UN

    Saudi Arabia tried to push for the adoption of a U.N. Security Council resolution to blacklist Hezbollah but Russia and China vetoed the effort , Gulf sources said.

    The U.S., which considers Hezbollah a terrorist group, also “ignored” the resolution that was drafted by Saudi Arabia, they told As Safir daily on Friday.

    This development comes after the Gulf Cooperation Council and the Arab League branded Hezbollah a terrorist organization.

    The blacklisting was preceded by a Saudi suspension of funds worth $4 billion aimed at equipping and supporting the Lebanese army and security forces.

    The Saudi decision came after Foreign Minister Jebran Bassil, a Hezbollah ally, declined to support Saudi resolutions against Iran during two meetings of Arab and Muslim foreign ministers.

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    Post  George1 on Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:14 pm

    Iranian, Russian space agencies discuss joint projects

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    http://tass.ru/en/science/871562


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    Post  Dima on Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:39 pm

    Three good news in a row. thumbsup  russia

    Since Iran is ready to give preferential treatment to Russia, and a good gesture which can help a genuine healthy mutual cooperation in the years to come, Russia needs to market the Tu-204 and IL-96 series to Iran. Unfortunately, there is no sign yet that Russian Govt/agencies have done that.

    Military hardwares deal is a bet, but what Russia also needs to promote is whatever civilian goods it has. Top rate military products is a nice thing, but a nations profile in the hearts and minds of majority population of the of world is formed based on commercial/consumer goods. And thats is exactly where Russia lacks/fail and among the prime reason why Obama delt a low blow saying "Russia doesn't makes anything". And I agree with Obama....rather than cursing him and treating his statement as sour grapes, Russia needs to take that as a challenge and turn that situation upside down with commercial end products.

    Russia have solid R&D base which, as i understand, are often made use by foreign companies to develop their commercial products, but its their identity that gets to the end user/customer whereas no one bothers about the origins of the development/research.

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:18 am

    Dima wrote:
    Since Iran is ready to give preferential treatment to Russia, and a good gesture which can help a genuine healthy mutual cooperation in the years to come, Russia needs to market the Tu-204 and IL-96 series to Iran. Unfortunately, there is no sign yet that Russian Govt/agencies have done that.
    Forget about these two aircraft, both have been abandoned by OAK and are produced a few units a year for government and air force. Russia must make all efforts possible to sell at least some dozens SSJ and MS-21 aircraft to Iran.

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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:27 am

    Dima wrote:Three good news in a row. thumbsup  russia

    Since Iran is ready to give preferential treatment to Russia, and a good gesture which can help a genuine healthy mutual cooperation in the years to come, Russia needs to market the Tu-204 and IL-96 series to Iran. Unfortunately, there is no sign yet that Russian Govt/agencies have done that.

    Military hardwares deal is a bet, but what Russia also needs to promote is whatever civilian goods it has. Top rate military products is a nice thing, but a nations profile in the hearts and minds of majority population of the of world is formed based on commercial/consumer goods. And thats is exactly where Russia lacks/fail and among the prime reason why Obama delt a low blow saying "Russia doesn't makes anything". And I agree with Obama....rather than cursing him and treating his statement as sour grapes, Russia needs to take that as a challenge and turn that situation upside down with commercial end products.

    Russia have solid R&D base which, as i understand, are often made use by foreign companies to develop their commercial products, but its their identity that gets to the end user/customer whereas no one bothers about the origins of the development/research.

    10% of Russian companies export or look to export, and as NationalRus pointed out, the border situation on control of flow of goods isn't all that easy for Russian businesses so export of civil goods ends up costly and burdensome for the local producers and the end user who is looking for the products. Lets face it, there is little chance Iran will see Russian toothpaste, soap, handicrafts, clothing, etc all on the Iranian market. Maybe tools form Crimea or such, and maybe building materials along with food stuff would end up on the market, but that is about it. I have read on RI from people who live in Russia that has all kinds of Russian made goods on the market (as I mentioned above - toothpaste, shoes, clothing, etc etc etc) but you won't see that on international market anytime soon. Russian businesses lack marketing skills and capabilities to do such activities outside its borders. And as Svyatoslavich stated, Tu-204 series have been shut down more or less, even though I prefer the aircraft over SSJ-100 or MS-21 due to being all Russian and lack of foreign components, but oh well, there may be a chance still for SSJ-100 and MS-21 if they can somehow bypass any form of sanctions still in place for Iran.

    I imagine the big ones for Russia will be exporting and maintenance of oil and gas industry equipment, processing of oil to petrol and natural gas processing in Iran as well. Along with other things like construction, mining and metalurgy. I would say automotive but I doubt Russian companies like Avtovaz would do well as Iran already has Khodro as an example that would be far too competitive. Unless Russia can get at least Solers to open a plant or modernize a plant in Iran to build UAZ and other vehicles. Maybe Kamaz could do well. Outside all of these, military will be the biggest winner.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:31 pm

    i would like to point out for some members that we have this thread for Russia-Iran MILITARY deals and cooperation

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t3742-russia-iran-military-cooperation



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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  sepheronx on Mon May 02, 2016 8:30 am

    News worth mentioning – May 2, 2016
    Key point is second post:
    Contract signed with Tekhnopromexport (Russia) to build an energy plant in Iran

       Tekhnopromexport and holding company for electricity generation in the steam thermal power plants of Iran signed a contract to build a thermal power plant “Hormozgan”.

       The project will be implemented on a “turnkey”, consisting of four steam-powered generating units of 350 MW each, with desulfurization and desalination plant in the vicinity of the administrative center of Hormozgan province – Bandar Abbas.

       Preparation and design work under this contract will be launched this year. One of the most important conditions for realization of the project is to use mostly Russian equipment.
    Link from Rostec: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&ie=UTF8&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://rostec.ru/news/4518049&usg=ALkJrhjVn5iTce5uw-GPiNtbqYUxVJ3w0Q

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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Mon May 02, 2016 7:55 pm

    sepheronx wrote:News worth mentioning – May 2, 2016
    Key point is second post:
    Contract signed with Tekhnopromexport (Russia) to build an energy plant in Iran

       Tekhnopromexport and holding company for electricity generation in the steam thermal power plants of Iran signed a contract to build a thermal power plant “Hormozgan”.

       The project will be implemented on a “turnkey”, consisting of four steam-powered generating units of 350 MW each, with desulfurization and desalination plant in the vicinity of the administrative center of Hormozgan province – Bandar Abbas.

       Preparation and design work under this contract will be launched this year. One of the most important conditions for realization of the project is to use mostly Russian equipment.
    Link from Rostec: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&ie=UTF8&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://rostec.ru/news/4518049&usg=ALkJrhjVn5iTce5uw-GPiNtbqYUxVJ3w0Q
    Does Iran pay it with cash or loans from Russia?

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri May 20, 2016 12:58 am

    i think Iran should replace all its American military hardware, and to a certain degree some of its home grown upgraded USA copies.


    replace the following with Russian equipment would be good for both countries.

    CH-47 Chinook
    C-130
    F-5
    F-14
    F-4
    P-3

    and should also replace french Mirage F1 and chinese J-7

    and they should also replace all its USA artillery and armour, even a 50/50 mix of T-90 and upgraded T-72 (about 600 of each)
    and have its remaining 720 T-72 upgraded (including Safir-74). And for its AFV and wheeled APC replace them with BMP-3, and BTR-82A, and have its BMP-1 and BMP-2 upgraded.

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    Post  Solncepek on Sat May 21, 2016 10:21 am

    POOR RUSSIA...

    Россия не планирует поставлять Ирану танки или истребители, боевые платформы попадают под ограничение, заявил глава ФСВТС Андрей Фомин.

    «Нет, не планируем», — сказал Фомин, отвечая на соответствующий вопрос журналистов.

    Боевые платформы — универсальная базовая ходовая часть, используемая для производства различных видов военной техники сухопутных войск — танки, бронетранспортеры, боевые машины пехоты.

    «Боевые платформы все попадают под ограничение. Когда будут раскрепощены соответствующие ограничения, тогда, возможно, и поговорим. На сегодняшний день разрешено только стрелковое вооружение и прочие нелетальные средства, средства ПВО, локация. Танки, самолеты, корабли, ракеты, которые предназначены для нападения, скажем так, то это все попадает под санкции ООН», — добавил Фомин.

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