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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:01 pm

    Was this ever confirmed, or was it denied?

    Iran to buy Russian aerospace equipment and planes worth $21bln - report

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:12 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Was this ever confirmed, or was it denied?

    Iran to buy Russian aerospace equipment and planes worth $21bln - report

    Never signed at least not for liners. Maybe some equipment will be sold tho, but liners seems like nope.

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:40 pm

    KAZAN, February 3. /TASS/. Russian truck maker Kamaz is ready to resume truck assembling in Iran. The assembly line of Kamaz worked in Iran from 2007 to 2010, Chief Executive of Kamaz Foreign Trade Company Rafail Gafeev told TASS on Wednesday.

    More:
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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:43 am

    So when is Iran actually going to buy something from Russia? So far they are making deals with the West and China only.

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:47 am

    George1 wrote:KAZAN, February 3. /TASS/. Russian truck maker Kamaz is ready to resume truck assembling in Iran. The assembly line of Kamaz worked in Iran from 2007 to 2010, Chief Executive of Kamaz Foreign Trade Company Rafail Gafeev told TASS on Wednesday.

    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/economy/854256

    UVZ is ready to organize in Iran for licensed production of T-90S tanks
    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160203/1369148833.html

    In addition to licensed production of tanks, Uralvagonzavod is also interested to work in Iran for infrastructure projects in urban and rail transport, said earlier the management of the Corporation.

    I hope this is just a beginning not all of exchange.

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:46 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:So when is Iran actually going to buy something from Russia? So far they are making deals with the West and China only.
    What they signed with China?

    But your right, no contracts with Russia.

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:35 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    The country's leadership also is considering the acquisition of 100 aircraft of the American company Boeing.

    Previously imposed U.S. trade sanctions against Iran remain in force, however, the Boeing Corporation can apply for a special exception to the rule. At the same time the representative of the American aviation concern stated that until a decision on the sale of aircraft to Iran will have to overcome many stages, reports the BBC.


    I don't believe this for a millisecond.  There is ZERO chance that Khomeini would allow Rouhani to place an order with Boeing, even if he wanted to.  The US is simply untrustworthy and its political elite are still rabid Iran-haters looking for any opportunity to undermine her.  More likely, Iran is simply playing the game of pretending to be flexible and not ruling Uh'Murican companies out of the running, but the statement "overcome many stages" is likely diplomat-speak for "not a fucking chance Yankee swine pig-dog"....

    Airbus will pickup all long and medium haul passenger jets, while i expect Russia will likely sell at least some SSJ100 for short-haul domestic routes, more if they include local assembly or licensed production.

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:40 am

    i think various companies self-presented as sellers to Iran. Airbus, Boeing, UAC


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:44 am

    Some 60% of Iranians Approve of Russian Anti-Terror Operation in Syria

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160205/1034252189/iran-poll-russia-operation-syria.html#ixzz3zGlGiYBf


    This is very interesting, because traditionally Islamist countries disapprove foreign involvement in their region


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  par far on Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:51 pm

    "Iran, Russia to enforce $40bn deals".


    http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/02/04/448706/Iran-Russia-to-enforce-40bn-deals-



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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:45 am

    Enforce... odd word to use... makes me suspicious about the translation...

    this is good news for Iran and Russia...


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:12 pm

    Russia, Iran sign documents for opening $2.2 bln credit line — ambassador

    According to the ambassador, Russia has a priority at the Iranian market in terms of investment

    MOSCOW, February 10. /TASS/. Russia and Iran have signed documents for opening a $2.2 credit line within the visit of Iran's delegation to Moscow, Iranian Ambassador to Russia Mehdi Sanai said on Wednesday.

    "Documents for financing two contracts on construction of thermal stations and a railroad worth $2.2 bln have been initialed," he said.

    In November 2015, after the talks between Russia’s President Vladimir Putin and Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Hassan Rouhani an intention to increase the trade turnover between the countries was announced. Putin declared determination to grant a $5 bln public export loan for financing joint projects. Russia and Iran also agreed a loan for financing the construction of a railroad and thermal stations in Iran during President Putin’s visit to Tehran.

    Iran to start building Bushehr-2 NPP in March

    According to the diplomat, Iran is planning to start the construction of the Bushehr-2 nuclear power plant in March.

    "Iran is open for foreign investments but Russia has a priority at the Iranian market, in particular, regarding the Russian experience in the construction of the Bushehr NPP," the diplomat said.

    "The construction is set to begin in March," he added.

    In November 2014, Russia and Iran signed in Moscow a package of agreements on the construction of eight nuclear power units in Iran, including Bushehr-2.

    The project is estimated at over $10 billion.

    Tehran ready to sign tariff reduction agreement with Eurasian Economic Union

    The ambassador also pointed out that Iran is ready to sign an agreement on export tariffs with the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) in the nearest future.

    "We plan to sign an agreement on export tariff reduction with the EAEU in the nearest future," he said.


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    http://tass.ru/en/economy/855648


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:56 pm


    Iran is considering the option of equipping the Russian air force su-30

    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160210/1372363476.html#ixzz3zn5m8ptc

    Why not MiG-35? would not be cheaper. Or also Yak-130 based light fighter in big numbers.




    Iran have begun talks with Russia on the possible supply of a hundred of new multi-purpose helicopters.

    It is reported by news agency “Military informant“, citing a source in the Iranian Defense Ministry.

    The Iranian leadership is planning to buy new Russian multipurpose helicopters Mi-17 to equip the national armed forces and internal security services. We also consider the question of the partial localization of helicopters on the territory of Iran from kits supplied from Russia.

    Earlier, The Russian Helicopters Company has signed contracts with the Iranian Helicopter Support and Renewal Company (PANHA) on upgrading its maintenance and overhaul facility for Mi-17 helicopters
    http://defence-blog.com/news/iran-is-going-to-buy-hundreds-of-mi-17-helicopters-to-russia.html




    George1 wrote:Russia, Iran sign documents for opening $2.2 bln credit line — ambassador

    According to the ambassador, Russia has a priority at the Iranian market in terms of investment

    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/economy/855648


    Well, most important is that this will not be $ in any of deals Smile

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:37 pm

    Iran agrees to buy Russian T-90 only with the condition of technology transfer


    http://www.interfax.ru/world/494612


    Moscow. February 14. INTERFAX.RU - Iran has not abandoned plans to purchase from Russia tanks T-90, said on Sunday the Deputy commander of land forces of the Islamic Republic of General Kiomars heidari. But the condition of the deal have, according to him, to be the transfer of production technology.

    In early February, the commander of land forces of the Iranian army Brigadier General Ahmad Reza Pourdastan reported that the issue of Iran's purchase of these tanks was removed from the agenda.

    "We still have interest in tanks T-90, but we have reached a level of production of their own tanks, which reduces the need to purchase such equipment abroad", - quoted the then commander of the Iranian media.

    "Taking into account the volume of national production of battle tanks, the acquisition of T-90 removed from the agenda", - said Pourdastan, who in December last year reported that Iran was negotiating with Russia on the purchase of a batch of T-90 tanks.

    As have explained today to journalists heidari, the Iranian side "is still not abandoned its intentions to get T-90, but ground forces were denied access to military equipment without transfer of the country the technology of its production".

    This statement is made on the eve of planned on 15-16 February visit to Russia by Iranian defense Minister Hossein Dehgans. The Iranian defense Minister plans to discuss with the military-political leadership of Russia the bilateral, regional and international issues.

    Shortly before the visit to Russia Dehghan expressed interest in equipping the Iranian air force Russian combat aircraft su-30.

    "We also seek to sign with Russia the agreement on partnership in the development and production of fighter aircraft", - the Minister told Iranian media.

    "If necessary we can purchase and complexes With-400", - he said.

    Speaking about the contract on delivery to Iran ZRK With-300, the defense Minister said that "all Russian upgraded installation will be delivered in the first half of 2016".

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:05 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Iran agrees to buy Russian T-90 only with the condition of technology transfer


    http://www.interfax.ru/world/494612


    Moscow. February 14. INTERFAX.RU - Iran has not abandoned plans to purchase from Russia tanks T-90, said on Sunday the Deputy commander of land forces of the Islamic Republic of General Kiomars heidari. But the condition of the deal have, according to him, to be the transfer of production technology.

    In early February, the commander of land forces of the Iranian army Brigadier General Ahmad Reza Pourdastan reported that the issue of Iran's purchase of these tanks was removed from the agenda.

    "We still have interest in tanks T-90, but we have reached a level of production of their own tanks, which reduces the need to purchase such equipment abroad", - quoted the then commander of the Iranian media.

    "Taking into account the volume of national production of battle tanks, the acquisition of T-90 removed from the agenda", - said Pourdastan, who in December last year reported that Iran was negotiating with Russia on the purchase of a batch of T-90 tanks.

    As have explained today to journalists heidari, the Iranian side "is still not abandoned its intentions to get T-90, but ground forces were denied access to military equipment without transfer of the country the technology of its production".

    This statement is made on the eve of planned on 15-16 February visit to Russia by Iranian defense Minister Hossein Dehgans. The Iranian defense Minister plans to discuss with the military-political leadership of Russia the bilateral, regional and international issues.

    Shortly before the visit to Russia Dehghan expressed interest in equipping the Iranian air force Russian combat aircraft su-30.

    "We also seek to sign with Russia the agreement on partnership in the development and production of fighter aircraft", - the Minister told Iranian media.

    "If necessary we can purchase and complexes With-400", - he said.

    Speaking about the contract on delivery to Iran ZRK With-300, the defense Minister said that "all Russian upgraded installation will be delivered in the first half of 2016".

    They can't buy tanks so they will buy plants...Iranians being nice and cozy. clown

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:09 pm

    Iranian Defense Minister Due to Meet Russian Deputy PM in Moscow

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160215/1034784770/iran-russia-defense.html#ixzz40FmVWD7X


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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:30 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Iran is considering the option of equipping the Russian air force su-30

    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160210/1372363476.html#ixzz3zn5m8ptc

    Why not MiG-35? would not be cheaper. Or also Yak-130 based light fighter in big numbers.

    I think this is mainly down to the fact Iran will want to produce the aircraft long term, and the Iranian like the chinese like to copy equipment so maybe Russia doesn't want them to copy their new baby(Mig-35).

    Su-30 is more than enough for the Iranians and much better than they currently have. Iran should have there Su-24 and Su-25 upgraded, and look to phase out the american aircraft it currently has as well as stop its home grown projects which is just copies of F5's with a few upgrades a waste of money. If their Mig-29's are in reasonable shape these could be upgraded to SMT level. I doubt Yak-130 will be purchased anytime soon considering that Iran has 30x HESA Azarakhsh, 6x HESA Saeqeh, 60x Northrop F-5 Tiger II(modernised), and 20x Chengdu F-7 Airguard, and they have some Mig-29, and F5 trainers along with 25x HESA Dorna trainers, so the need for Yak-130 is slim. They will no doubt want to replace F4 phantoms, F14 tomcats, and Mirage F1's first, even thought the F4's have had some upgrades done to what extend i dont know, the aircraft themselves are getting old especially the F14's. Also to note that Iran was building the HESA Shafaq which was very similar to the Yak-130 but with stealth capabilities such as radar absorbing paint etc.

    Iran ideally needs to buy a mix of Su-30/Su-35 and Mig-29M2, and Su-34, to replace F-14, F4, F5, Mirage F1, and Chengdu F-7

    i would also buy a mix of Mi-35 and Mi-28. Iran is lacking decent attack helicopters, the Toufan a copy of the american cobra is ok but they don't seem to be producing any in any great numbers and they are really only suited for scout/light attack, the  american made cobra's are getting pretty old and need to be replaced. Another option for light attack/scout if the Iranian wanted to give up on its toufan would be the Kazan Ansat-2RC (armed Ansat), and i am sure Russia would be willing to sell the production rights to the Ansat which would also be an ideal replacement for the Iranian's bell 214's and 205's. Iran produces their own Bell 205's the Panha Shabaviz 2-75 but i think the Ansat would be a better option. Another option for the Iranians is to replace their old CH-47 Chinooks with Mi-26T2.

    Also their C-130 hercules which must be getting to the stage of being taken out of service could be replaced with IL-76's

    the only thing really that the Iranian's dont need to purchase are UAV's this is a field despite sanctions have managed to produce fairly decent UAV's. (Russia take note).

    so to re-cap

    Buy

    Su-30/35,
    Su-34
    Mig 29M2
    Mi-35
    Mi-28
    Ansat and Ansat 2RC  
    Mi-26T2
    Il-76

    and then use the F5's and Chengdu F-7 as trainers, slowly replacing them with Yak-130 in the distant future. And cancel the Iranian made fixed wing programmes, and whats already built use as trainers, or better send their 30x Azarakhsh and 6x Saeqeh to Syria with Iranian pilots.

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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:02 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Iran is considering the option of equipping the Russian air force su-30

    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160210/1372363476.html#ixzz3zn5m8ptc

    Why not MiG-35? would not be cheaper. Or also Yak-130 based light fighter in big numbers.

    I think this is mainly down to the fact Iran will want to produce the aircraft long term, and the Iranian like the chinese like to copy equipment so maybe Russia doesn't want them to copy their new baby(Mig-35).


    It is not abut love to copy but in case of severe sanctions to be able to do at least at copy level. Russia also denied S-300 influenced by zionist lobby. MiG-35 export version is still better then Su-30 not as a platform but as a multifunctional platform that still can do the job and better in terms of cost-effectiveness.


    MiG-29M?as a stopgap before MiG-35 arrived agreed. Other planes? Su-34? Su-30? sure nice BUT costs would kill Iran.

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    I doubt Yak-130 will be purchased anytime soon considering that Iran has 30x HESA Azarakhsh, 6x HESA Saeqeh, 60x Northrop F-5 Tiger II(modernised), and 20x Chengdu F-7 Airguard, and they have some Mig-29, and F5 trainers along with 25x HESA Dorna trainers, so the need for Yak-130 is slim.

    Well F-5 as a airframe might be OK but IMHO is not even close anything like Yak-130 in terms of avionics.

    You mentioned Saegeh - was in large part designed by MiG. Still in their money state (military budget like 14BLN $/yr) and dire needs lotsa localized fairly simple but effektive fighters (Yak-135? ) IMHO makes more sense then 12 or 24 Su-30.

    Logistics also had price: as little models as possible an das many unified capable platforms.


    d_taddei2 wrote:
    i would also buy a mix of Mi-35 and Mi-28. Iran is lacking decent attack helicopters, the Toufan a copy of

    Ansat is very light, mi-2 class. Good choice wtr costs but I am still convinced Mi-24 (upgraded and overhauled form Russian stocks are better) and eventually licensed Mi-35.


    d_taddei2 wrote:
    the only thing really that the Iranian's dont need to purchase are UAV's this is a field despite sanctions have managed to produce fairly decent UAV's. (Russia take note).

    Iran´s UAV are build as reverse engineering or with usage of commercial modules. Russia cannot offer heavy class based on PAK-FA and other make no sense indeed.


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:05 am

    Oak: delivery of SSJ100 in Iran requires the approval of manufacturers of the USA


    http://ria.ru/economy/20160216/1375199128.html

    Then sell Tu-204 and MS-21?


    Those fuc..I mean pizd.. I mean US partners.

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    Post  wilhelm on Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:40 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Oak: delivery of SSJ100 in Iran requires the approval of manufacturers of the USA


    http://ria.ru/economy/20160216/1375199128.html

    Then sell Tu-204 and MS-21?


    Those fuc..I mean pizd.. I mean US partners.

    And we all know how that will go, based on a long history of US political/lobby shenanigans/withdrawing export permission...etc, as discussed on other threads, such as the Il-96.
    By all means develop things with others, but there needs to be a version completely free of any US and European parts, as history so reliably shows.
    Otherwise, you are held hostage to "sudden" various "issues", and broken deals once again that prevent you from selling your product on an equal footing.

    The MS-21 and other planned airliners should be prioritised, and an import tax placed on foreign airliners, as local competitor designs become available, to support the Russian product, manufacturers, and work force. That way aeroflot and others are made to contribute as opposed to simply sending billions overseas to corporations and political entities that would seek to crush the Russian civil aviation industry.
    It's so obvious, a child could see it.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:07 pm

    wilhelm wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Oak: delivery of SSJ100 in Iran requires the approval of manufacturers of the USA


    http://ria.ru/economy/20160216/1375199128.html

    Then sell Tu-204 and MS-21?


    Those fuc..I mean pizd.. I mean US partners.

    And we all know how that will go, based on a long history of US political/lobby shenanigans/withdrawing export permission...etc, as discussed on other threads, such as the Il-96.
    By all means develop things with others, but there needs to be a version completely free of any US and European parts, as history so reliably shows.
    Otherwise, you are held hostage to "sudden" various "issues", and broken deals once again that prevent you from selling your product on an equal footing.

    The MS-21 and other planned airliners should be prioritised, and an import tax placed on foreign airliners, as local competitor designs become available, to support the Russian product, manufacturers, and work force. That way aeroflot and others are made to contribute as opposed to simply sending billions overseas to corporations and political entities that would seek to crush the Russian civil aviation industry.
    It's so obvious, a child could see it.

    Not every child has some US funded stypendia in Harvard Business School, not every kid has such deep pockets as "liberast" govt lobbyists in Russia. I am afraid there is even worse factor. There are idiots (yes in 150mln Nation you can find some) who actually believe western = better.

    Practically to make sure comparable total cost of ownership comparable (ideally lower) so also financing /service worldwide. So Gref&co are downshifters here.


    As for planes - Tu-204 is quick stopgap solution. But MS-21 full license? I am not sure, coo production of modules? yes please, the broader cooperation more chances to sell to this country.


    BTW IMHO Iran will not rush announcing deals with Russia otherwise "suddenly"political atmosphere will worsen and 100bln USD will stay " safe" in US.


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    Re: Iran–Russia strategic partnership:

    Post  Dima on Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:50 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Oak: delivery of SSJ100 in Iran requires the approval of manufacturers of the USA


    http://ria.ru/economy/20160216/1375199128.html

    Then sell Tu-204 and MS-21?


    Those fuc..I mean pizd.. I mean US partners.
    Same fate awaits MS-21 coz of western suppliers/inputs....We will know in time if the sanctions on Russia have affected the programme or not.
    Like I felt earlier, the idiots likely did not promote the Tu-204/214 to Iran and instead wanted to push their new kid on block the Sukhoi's SSJ...

    There is enough room for Tu-204 to get into Iranian market but from what we hear, there is absolutely no weight being put behind Tu-204 promotion, which is really unfortunate. No one is even talking about the new and lighter weight (they shaved off like more than 3 tons I think) Tu-204SM which is a real shame.

    http://www.tupolev.ru/en/civil_aviation/tu-204sm

    With Tupolev promotion, Russia also need to promote a maritime patrol version of Tu-204 so that IL-38 successor in the form of Tu-204P or whatever designation is fully developed as a platform and brought online.


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    Post  Dima on Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:58 pm

    On trainers, I wish Russia dust up the MiG-AT and promotes it. But the engine has to be AL-55 be it on Yak-130. The AL-55 has been a punching bag for murican fanboys and all blame for the IJT failure has been put on the engine. The usual reasoning also include not even Russia wants it and uses it.

    This year we will be able to see the beautiful Yak-152 trainer in air and dont know if Iran will be interested. Bangladesh is probably the first outside customer and China have its own version of the Yak-152 which came out of joint collaboration with Russia.

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    Post  Cucumber Khan on Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:52 pm

    The Tu-204 is dead as a commercial airliner. No airline will buy it. Iran is already buying Airbuses. Not that it could "replace" the SSJ anyway, the Tu-204 carry twice the passengers. Even if Iran wanted the Tu-204SM, the PS-90A2 engines have American (and other western) components, so there.

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:04 pm

    Tu-204 can't be exported without US approval either. Current PS-90 versions use P&W FADEC components.
    It seems that for the MS-21 and PD-14 Russians finally learned and will have a completely Russian-made version (with the possibility of using Western engines and avionics also).

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