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    Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:05 am

    Russia may put Saakashvili and Georgia's several officials on wanted list

    Russia's Investigative Committee does not rule out it may put on the international wanted list Georgia's Former President Mikheil Saakashvili and several high-ranking officials, who are responsible for the events in South Ossetia in 2008, the authority’s representative Vladimir Markin said in an interview with TASS news agency on Monday.

    "The investigation has the information that Georgia's top-ranking officials, including President Saakashvili, Defense Minister Kezerashvili, Interior Minister Merabishvili and others, followed the aim of complete elimination of Ossetians living in the territory of South Ossetia," Markin said, adding that earlier those people had the international immunity from criminal charges.

    "As the president and government in Georgia have changed, the person involved in the crimes in the territory of South Ossetia have lost their positions, and the Investigative Committee is considering presenting to them the charges and putting them on the international wanted list," the source said.

    "Following the orders they gave, on August 7, 2008 the Georgian military opened fire at civilians and Russian peacekeepers. Tanks and artillery were involved there," he said.

    "At those times, representatives of (Ukraine’s nationalistic organisation) UNA-UNSO participated on Georgia's side."

    The events in August 2008 in South Ossetia claimed 162 lives of civilians, 255 were injured. Russia's ten peacekeepers were killed, and 42 were wounded.
    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_09/Russia-may-put-Saakashvili-and-Georgia-s-several-officials-on-wanted-list-8209/

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    Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:10 am

    Was about time that this bastard is getting prosecuted openly.

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:23 am

    Werewolf wrote:Was about time that this bastard is getting prosecuted openly.
    We gonna prosecute Putin for Chechnya next?

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    Post  Asf on Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:26 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Was about time that this bastard is getting prosecuted openly.
    We gonna prosecute Putin for Chechnya next?
    TR1, are you Saakashvilli lover? Putin didn't order an attack on georgian peacekeeper during Chechnia. And not a simgle time the Russian Army rolled into a city in Chechnia spraying bullets and Grad rockets without even a warning.

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:29 am

    Asf wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Was about time that this bastard is getting prosecuted openly.
    We gonna prosecute Putin for Chechnya next?
    TR1, are you Saakashvilli lover? Putin didn't order an attack on georgian peacekeeper during Chechnia. It's a military crime
    Is there concrete proof he explicitly ordered that?

    As for the general shelling of Tskinval, like I said, we gonna prosecute Putin? Far far worse things happened in Chechnya.

    RIP to our guys in the barracks that was attacked, but to be quite frank people get away with worse.

    And yes I do love Saaka. Not often does Russia get such a bafoon as an enemy. Makes our guys
    look like strategic geniuses of Bismarks level.


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    Post  Asf on Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:31 am

    I think if Georgia joins NATO then Russia should do 2 things:
    Actually, I think Russia should state at UNN that declaration of joining NATO from any country will be viewed as a declaration of war with Russia. We should not allow any NATO infrastructure to appear even closer to our borders. NATO is the only warmonger organisation in the world, except for half-fictional Al-Quaida

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    Post  Asf on Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:34 am

    Is there concrete proof he explicitly ordered that?
    He was the Supreme Commander! Of course there are proofs. Don't tell me it was a tank company commander who decided to shoot at the peacekeepers barracks by himself.

    Anyway, a just court (preferably Russian) will find truth, and until then Saakashvilli should be arrested
    As for the general shelling of Tskinval, like I said, we gonna prosecute Putin?
    Is Putin bombarded Tshinvalli? And don't switch our conversation on a different topica, Chechnia isn't an excuse for any state criminal. Saakashvilli bombarded Tskinvaly without a warning - look what Putin did (the federal forces never bombarded a town without a warning btw); Poroshenko ordered bombardment of Novorussia - look what Putin did. Hitler invaded the USSR - look what Putin did. Elizabeth Bathory took baths of virgin blood - look what Putin did.

    May be you tell us about athrocities the federal forces committed in Chechnia? About real ones, not that were imagined by western press? Of cource it was a war and there were accidental civilian kills, but don't precision weapons-filled US Army killed 10 times more people in Iraq than the federal forces did with 80's era weapons designed for a conventional war?

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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:33 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Was about time that this bastard is getting prosecuted openly.
    We gonna prosecute Putin for Chechnya next?

    Putin didn't start Chechnya, he finished Chechnya.

    Are we going to prosecute Putin for repulsing an invasion by an Islamist dictatorship onto Russia's own territory and then overthrowing the warlords there in response?

    I don't think it was as bloody as the 1st war, nowhere near, but either way it was very neccessery.

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:05 pm

    Mhm, the invasion of Dagestan justifies the conduct of the war in Chechnya, the indiscriminate shelling of population centers (often with inadequate evacuation corridors), the filtration checkpoints, the mass graves....

    Nah who am I kidding. This is "Russia can do no wrong.com".

    Putin wanted war in Chechnya from the very start, that is obvious.


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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:57 pm

    TR1 wrote:Mhm, the invasion of Dagestan justifies the conduct of the war in Chechnya, the indiscriminate shelling of population centers (often with inadequate evacuation corridors), the filtration checkpoints, the mass graves....

    Nah who am I kidding. This is "Russia can do no wrong.com".

    Putin wanted war in Chechnya from the very start, that is obvious.


    From post to post you show more that you are americanized than you want others to believe.

    The Point is Sackarschwilli did it on Purpose because Washigton gave him Green light to attack russians and cleanse South Ossetia in exchange they would gave NATO membership that was the bait, no little asshole of dictator would ever attack a Nuclear Power if they did not believe they were either capable of that or having the back petted by another Nuclear Power and that is the case.

    Putin did not start Chechnya that was Jelzin and Putin did not order to Attack soldiers of another country nor did he command any atrocities. Accidentley having colleteral damage and intentionally target civilians is a big difference and if you wanted to prosecute every President that had ever any military use against whatever forces than Putin would be on the Last place to be prosecuted long before that all NATO countries and their Arab lapdogs would be sued for hundreds of atrocities for decades before it would be Putins row.

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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:07 pm

    Well, he does live in America.

    But he does raise a good point. Even if the enemy has struck you in one place, does not give green light to attack indiscrimantly, as which was his point. Attacking them is fine, as long as innocent people are out of the way. It makes Russia equally guilty as US in some cases. But at least Russia does not call it collateral damage as US does with drone strikes.

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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:57 pm

    TR1 wrote:Mhm, the invasion of Dagestan justifies the conduct of the war in Chechnya, the indiscriminate shelling of population centers (often with inadequate evacuation corridors), the filtration checkpoints, the mass graves....

    Grozny was basically a militant stronghold, Russia retook it within fairly short order with minimal casualties on its own side and with the help of an allied Chechen militia - I scarcely imagine that the civilian casualties were so high this time.

    As for the conduct of MVD OMON, regular army forces and so on; I think it was again, better than in the first war - simply because this time Russia rapidly took over and chased all the rebels and terrorists into the woods.
    But let's say that loads of atrocities happened. How is this Putin's fault? He did the job with the forces that he had available to them, he had no time to give them lectures on the Geneva Convention - Russian forces were pressed immediately into action into liberating Dagestan and then liberating Chechnya from its own tyrants.
    It was completely neccessery to use military force in this case, and it was also completely unavoidable.
    Speaking cynically, even with the abuses of prisoners, civilians, etc... during the 2nd war, this was still preferable in humanitarian terms to allowing Ichekeria to exist in any form or shape considering the sort of things that were going on there.

    Putin wanted war in Chechnya from the very start, that is obvious.

    I'd bet he sure as hell did, I sure would want a war with them too, restoring constitutional order in a place like 1999 Chechnya would be the first thing I would do as president, and if a reason didn't exist for me to do so then I would make one up, and be completely within my rights morally speaking.
    But Putin didn't even have to do that in the end.

    Imagine you took control of a country but hey look there was a Sharia-shithole on its territory which trained Islamic terrorists from all over the world, organized raiding parties for slaves (including young kids) and plunder on neighbouring Russian regions, built up ties in the N. Caucasus with Islamist intelligentsia elements and goaded them into action (as witnessed during Dagestan 1999), was the source of a massive amount of human rights abuses, etc...
    Allowing such a place to exist on Russia territory was like that Austrian keeping and raping his daughter in his basement for 19 years. Obviously something had to be done and done immediately.
    Getting rid of this festering hell-hole was a decision that was made before Putin even took power as president and it was completely neccessery and justified, if not forced due to circumstance then Putin would have invaded them before long anyway - and rightly so.

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    Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:27 am

    But he does raise a good point. Even if the enemy has struck you in one place, does not give green light to attack indiscrimantly, as which was his point. Attacking them is fine, as long as innocent people are out of the way. It makes Russia equally guilty as US in some cases. But at least Russia does not call it collateral damage as US does with drone strikes.

    Rubbish.

    When Chechen militants based in Chechnia (Russia) attack targets in other parts of Russia (Beslan, Moscow, etc) why wouldn't Putin attack the source of the problem?

    I realise it is the opposite of what the defenders of truth justice and the American way would do.. some Pakistanis and Saudi Arabians crash planes on US soil so the US invades Afghanistan and Iraq!

    I can understand the invasion of Afghanistan even if I don't agree with it, but they also justified invading Iraq with 11/9.... which has resulted in al quada becoming rather more powerful in the region rather than less powerful.


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    Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  macedonian on Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:30 am

    Eeeeeeooooooo...EEEEeeeeeeeoooooooo.

    Was just wandering if I can hear my echo in here...
    What's going on here lately guys?

    People answer questions that were never asked, attack points that were never risen and generally fail to comprehend others' posts.
    It's like we're in a large cave not seeing each other, in the dark, with our backs turned and can only muster to hear a couple of words that echo around the cave...and only reply to those few words...the reply is completely out of context...

    Not to mention posters that try to be witty in their replies, the wittiness obvious only to the author...
    It's almost as if I'm watching a session in the Macedonian Parliament.

    Can we please go back to having a [somewhat] meaningful discussion?
    You know, actually read the posts and reply accordingly? Not trying to mimic a mod here, merely stating how I feel lately.

    OK, now back ontop...

    Both TR1 and Sepheronx raise really good points.

    Killing civilians in a war is never good strategy. And for plethora of reasons. Among the more obvious (strategically) is the fact that you create enemies further down the line, you have a hostile population to deal with later on, and you lose the support of many of your own troops. They become disillusioned with the army, state etc. I've read a few interviews with Russian soldiers who served in Chechnya and have turned pacifist since, some even considered converting to Islam (because of guilt). Killing civilians is also a disaster from a PR point of view.

    Now, FP does raise a valid point here, and that is the fact that Putin had to work with what he had at the moment. The Russian army back then, isn't the same army we saw in Crimea, and that's very good! The professionalism showed in the Crimea where many Russian soldiers were trolled by Ukrainian journos (while videoing the whole thing) and never overreacting should be the standard of the Russian soldier, not the poorly equipped, poorly fed, poorly disciplined [many reported cases of looting] soldiers wearing many different cammo's that were the laughing stock of 'the west'.
    Chechnya was both a win and a disaster IMHO. But that's in the past. The focus now should be on reaching out to the population, and giving them hope for the future. Not sure if Kadyrov is the right man for the job though...

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    Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:37 am

    Macedonian, they did not target civilians in Chechen war and defintely not intentionally, they had already a rough time and civir losses and the resources they got on hand were limited and aiming for civilians would not be in their interest from no stand point, the only thing they may be guilty of is bad planning and overhasted actions that may resulted in civilian casualties. There is no point wasting valueable resources on unnecessary targets which will only achieve the opposite of what your actual goal.

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    Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  mutantsushi on Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:12 am

    Does anybody at all seriously dispute that he ordered the operation?
    AFAIK the evidence against Saaks is his legal role as commander in chief and that he publicly defended the operation and never disavowed it,
    (the exact details of his role would probably depend on which version of his every-changing story is being used)
    and ministers in government with him at the time have later stated that he had explicitly pushed for the operation,
    as a totally "elective" operation, i.e. political decision, breaking the status quo peace legally defended by Russian troops.
    Certainly if one uses the rationale of ICTY "joint criminal enterprise" whatever, that is pretty much a sealed case on just that basis.

    Honestly, this story seems more focused for internal consumption in Russia than a realistic plan to take him into Russian custody.
    More relevantly, Saak's already wanted for questioning over involvement in murders and other capital cases in Georgia itself.


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    Russia may put Saakashvili and Georgia's several officials on wanted list

    Post  macedonian on Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:13 am

    Werewolf wrote:Macedonian, they did not target civilians in Chechen war and defintely not intentionally, they had already a rough time and civir losses and the resources they got on hand were limited and aiming for civilians would not be in their interest from no stand point, the only thing they may be guilty of is bad planning and overhasted actions that may resulted in civilian casualties. There is no point wasting valueable resources on unnecessary targets which will only achieve the opposite of what your actual goal.

    I agree. I certainly never implied that the Russian Army would target civilians. Never thought of it either.
    The point I was making is that every civilian life lost (even unintentionally) is a nightmare later on because of the reasons which I mentioned in the previous post.

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    Azerbaijan vs Nagorno Karabakh & Armenia

    Post  POKL on Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:17 pm

    Everybody seems preoccupied with Ukraine – no surprise here – but there are also other things going on. What about the recent flare up between Azerbaijan and Nagorno Karabakh?

    Clashes reported 2 Armenian 8 Azeri soldiers KIA, movements of armour reported & actually photographed – sorry my posting privileges are limited so no links.  

    Anybody – Armenian & Azeri members especially – more on the developing situation?

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:20 am

    I think it's about time for Azeris to receive a hard lesson.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:41 am

    POKL wrote:Everybody seems preoccupied with Ukraine – no surprise here – but there are also other things going on. What about the recent flare up between Azerbaijan and Nagorno Karabakh?

    Clashes reported 2 Armenian 8 Azeri soldiers KIA, movements of armour reported & actually photographed – sorry my posting privileges are limited so no links.  

    Anybody – Armenian & Azeri members especially – more on the developing situation?

    Well it's a world war and every country would be directly impacted; no surprises here.

    Here is a write up on the Nagornyj Karabakh and Azerbajdzhan situation by Colonel Cassad on his web site.

    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/#post-colonelcassad-1589684

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    Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  George1 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:15 pm

    Moscow concerned about deteriorating situation in Karabakh region

    MOSCOW, August 02 /ITAR-TASS/. Moscow on Saturday voiced concern about the latest flare-ups in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict area and urged the parties involved to refrain from using force and take steps towards stabilising the situation in the region.

    “We express serious concern about the dramatic deterioration of the situation in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict area, which has resulted in considerable casualties,” Foreign Ministry Deputy Spokesperson Maria Zakharova said.

    “We regard the latest events as a serious violation of the ceasefire and the declared intentions to achieve a political settlement,” she said, adding that further escalation would be unacceptable.

    Four Azerbaijani army servicemen were killed in overnight clashes, the Azerbaijani Defence Ministry said, adding that Armenians had also sustained casualties but did not elaborate.

    Defence Ministry spokesperson Vagif Dargyakhly denied media reports alleging that the Azerbaijani army was using guided missile systems against Armenian troops.

    “Units of the country’s Armed Forces are taking adequate measures in response to ceasefire violations by the Armenian side. But they are using only large caliber firearms,” he said.

    He confirmed that 12 Azerbaijani troops had been killed in the conflict area over the past four days and several had been wounded, but did not specify.

    The spokesperson said the current situation in the region was relatively calm.

    Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said in July that his country was using political and economic factors to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict peacefully.

    He stressed that Azerbaijan could solve the problem by force, but “we think the potential of negotiations has not been used up yet”.

    “Using political, economic and military pressure we will try to get the issue solved peacefully. Our economic, political and military potential is quite strong and this factor will play a positive role at the talks,” the president said, adding that the conflict could not remain frozen.

    Aliyev regretted the absence of progress in the resolution of the conflict despite the international mediators’ efforts. “We are of the opinion that the mediators dealing with this [Karabakh] issue are more interested in keeping the situation in its present state. Their main interest is in preserving stability and preventing a war in the region. We also want peace. But at the same time we want to see truth and justice restored and international law triumphing,” he said.

    The president also believes that the conflict should be settled “cardinally”. “Half-solutions can only be an interim step. We should not forget the main goal. The people of Azerbaijan should return to the occupied territories,” he said.

    He stressed that Nagorno-Karabakh’s Armenians could get a high status of autonomy within Azerbaijan. “We proposed this and this approach is based on the most positive experience the world and Europe have,” he added.

    The Armenian president’s spokesperson Arman Sagatelyan said on Saturday that the conflict could not be resolved by force.

    “Armenia is convinced that there can be no military solution to the Karabakh conflict,” he said. “The truce agreement signed in 1994 clearly states the parties’ legal obligations that must be respected. The Nagorno-Karabakh problem can only be resolved through peace negotiation,” Sagatelyan said.

    The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict began on February 22, 1988. On November 29, 1989 direct rule in Nagorno-Karabakh was ended and Azerbaijan regained control of the region. However later a joint session of the Armenian parliament and the top legislative body of Nagorno-Karabakh proclaimed the unification of Nagorno-Karabakh with Armenia.

    On December 10, 1991, Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh held a referendum, boycotted by local Azeris, which approved the creation of an independent state.

    The struggle over Nagorno-Karabakh escalated after both Armenia and Azerbaijan obtained independence from the Soviet Union in 1991. By the end of 1993, the conflict had caused thousands of casualties and created hundreds of thousands of refugees on both sides. An unofficial ceasefire was reached on May 12, 1994.

    As of August, 2008, the co-chairmen of the OSCE Minsk Group were attempting to negotiate a full settlement of the conflict. On August 2, 2008, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev and Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan travelled to Moscow for talks with Dmitry Medvedev, who was Russian president at the time. As a result, the three presidents signed an agreement that calls for talks on a political settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

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    Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:03 am

    Five soldiers killed in Nagorny-Karabakh clash

    At least five soldiers have been killed in fresh clashes between Azerbaijan and Armenia over the disputed Nagorny-Karabakh region.

    Azerbaijan’s Defense Ministry said on Saturday that its troopers tried to repel an overnight attack by ethnic Armenian forces, adding that four soldiers were killed in the clash.

    One Armenian soldier was also killed, authorities in Nagorny-Karabakh said.

    Baku had said on Friday that eight Azeri soldiers had been killed in three days of fighting in the area.

    Armenia and Azerbaijan have been locked in a conflict over the disputed territory with occasional clashes along the ceasefire line. Nagorno-Karabakh is largely populated by Armenians but located in Azerbaijan.

    Ethnic Armenian forces took control of the enclave, which accounts for 16 percent of Azerbaijan, in the early 1990s during a six-year war that lasted from February 1988 to May 1994.

    The conflict left an estimated 30,000 people dead and one million others displaced before the two sides agreed to a ceasefire in 1994. However, a peace accord has never been signed and the dispute still remains unsettled.

    Later on Saturday, Armenia said President Serzh Sarkisian will discuss the crisis with his Azeri counterpart Ilham Aliyev in a meeting in the Russian city of Sochi next week.

    Russia’s Foreign Ministry expressed concern over the recent fighting, which it called a “serious violation of a ceasefire agreement.”

    On Friday, the US called on the leaders of the two countries to hold talks. “Retaliation and further violence will only make it more difficult to bring about a peaceful settlement,” deputy State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said.

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    Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:51 pm

    Armenia accuses Azerbaijan of violation of ceasefire pact

    YEREVAN, August 05. /ITAR-TASS/. Armenia has accused Azerbaijan of violation of a ceasefire regime, the Armenian defense ministry said Tuesday.

    "On Monday night and Tuesday morning the Azeri side has once again violated a ceasefire regime in different sections of the state border with Armenia," the Armenian defense ministry said, adding that large-scale caliber guns alongside with the ordinary guns had been used in the incident. No casualties on the Armenian side have been reported.

    "The Armenian armed forces have ensured reliable control of the situation all along the state border with Azerbaijan and strictly observe the terms of the ceasefire agreement", the Armenian defense ministry said.

    "But, the Armenian side has to use measure adequate to the situation only if the adversary opens targeted fire," it said.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:37 pm

    Azerbaijan is a US puppet which means that if uncle Sam order them to create a second front they must obey to the David's star.
    Armenia is a free country and if needed I am sure that Vladimir the Great and the East will be here for them!

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    Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  T055 on Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:26 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Azerbaijan is a US puppet which means that if uncle Sam order them to create a second front they must obey to the David's star.
    Armenia is a free country and if needed I am sure that Vladimir the Great and the East will be here for them!

    LMAO. The Funny Squad Team at it again. You do realize that Russia is the one selling weapons on a large scale to the Azeri dictator in Baku?

    Everything from S-300PMU2 and new Buk SAMs to T-90 MBTs, BMP-3 and BTR-80 vehicles, in addition to BM-30 Smerch and TOS-1 MRLS systems.

    Yes, Russia is in another words arming an enemy of Armenia and NK Republic. Isn't that nice ?  Very Happy 


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