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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Zivo on Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:34 am

    Oops... I must have clicked the wrong thread. I thought this was supposed to be about the current situation in Ukraine.

    It looks like the rebels are enjoying success with their southern offensive.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:28 am



    4 new Spanish volunteers joined the Novorossiya cause.. and came to help in whatever thing they asked.
    This is quite interesting.. never knew Spanish people were so touched by the Ukraine crisis..and so anti-Fascism.






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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:37 am

    No more off topic stuff in this thread.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Zivo on Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:41 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    4 new Spanish volunteers joined the Novorossiya cause.. and came to help in whatever thing they asked.
    This is quite interesting.. never knew Spanish people were so touched by the Ukraine crisis..and so anti-Fascism.






    My knowledge of Spanish history is rusty, but didn't the Soviet Union help fight against Francisco Franco during the Spanish Civil war?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:01 am

    Regular wrote:
    Anyone seen news about Pskov VDV soldiers who died in Ukraine?

    Yes something about 10 VDV troops in Dzerkalne, 50 km from donetsk.

    I wil post a link of our media.

    http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/30323/Onrust-in-Oekraine/article/detail/3724686/2014/08/26/Oekraine-arresteert-tien-Russische-parachutisten.dhtml

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  onwiththewar on Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:24 am

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Anyone seen news about Pskov VDV soldiers who died in Ukraine?

    Yes something about 10 VDV troops in Dzerkalne, 50 km from donetsk.

    I wil post a link of our media.

    http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/30323/Onrust-in-Oekraine/article/detail/3724686/2014/08/26/Oekraine-arresteert-tien-Russische-parachutisten.dhtml

    No wonder why Ukies forces are fleeing everywhere. Russian regular troops are now officially in Ukraine, bwahahahaha.

    Has it every come to Porky's mind that to common Ukie soldiers, Russian military intervention means a quick death sentence? Ukie troops are already hammered in and out, if Russian forces are indeed in Ukraine, doesn't it mean the end of Ukie troops miserable lives?

    Now you see why the morale of Ukie troops are so low, thanks to these fabricated news from Kiev over and over again, they made their troops live in constant fear of Russian intervention. My goodness they are stupid.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:29 am

    onwiththewar wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Anyone seen news about Pskov VDV soldiers who died in Ukraine?

    Yes something about 10 VDV troops in Dzerkalne, 50 km from donetsk.

    I wil post a link of our media.

    http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/30323/Onrust-in-Oekraine/article/detail/3724686/2014/08/26/Oekraine-arresteert-tien-Russische-parachutisten.dhtml

    No wonder why Ukies forces are fleeing everywhere. Russian regular troops are now officially in Ukraine, bwahahahaha.

    Has it every come to Porky's mind that to common Ukie soldiers, Russian military intervention means a quick death sentence? Ukie troops are already hammered in and out, if Russian forces are indeed in Ukraine, doesn't it mean the end of Ukie troops miserable lives?

    Now you see why the morale of Ukie troops are so low, thanks to these fabricated news from Kiev over and over again, they made their troops live in constant fear of Russian intervention. My goodness they are stupid.

    That is a brilliant recipe for Maidan 2.0, when the moral gets lower and soon anger starts more and more when ukropy army is send to be slaughtered without any tactical or any strategy, they are just blindly send into meat grinder like in Metro 2033 the fascists in the Metro said "Марш, Марш на фарш." (March,March to become ground meat (Farsh)) as cynically refering to the war in Metro.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Asf on Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:41 am

    Yes something about 10 VDV troops in Dzerkalne, 50 km from donetsk.

    Yep, still no proof, only cools stories.

    It's more interesting new about "captured VDV soldiers". Are those "captured VDV soldiers" truly soldiers, who have occasionally crossed the border, or just another fabricated bullshit.


     for Maidan 2.0

    Correction: Maidan 3.0

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:56 am

    Not happened.. it will be foolish for Russia soldiers to fight far from the border and allow the ukies to capture them..
    aside that there are plenty of Veterans from AFgan and Chechen wars that could do equally good if not better the job ,than any soldier from Russian army.. because of their experience.. and age . Again why use Russian federation army..when there are many dozens of thousands retired soldiers veterans ,from Afgan ,chechen war that can do the job? Russia can even use retired soldiers veterans from Belarus ,kazakistan  ,abkhazia ,armenia,south ossetia , or or other former soviet republics.. and the logistics and weapons given to them by Oligarchs in Russia.. that way Russia will be saying the truth.. that they have no soldiers of Russian federation in Ukraine. You guys lacks totally of imagination..how politics works..a close putin army assistant can visit a billionaire.. show a photo of strelkov..requesting money and weapon and asking for help and he only give a nod.. without saying anything.
    and the millionaire will understand what he needs to do.  Wink  

    I will bet the entire military help that eastern ukraine receive from from private businessman. in Eastern Ukraine and in Russia who give weapons and money. Later they are rewarded with contracts and business etc. by the Russian Government ,so they recover their money and something extra for its help. so take with a huge grain of salt any report of Russian soldiers captured..from Russian Army.. This also should explain why the Novo Militia is fighting in the south along the border.. that allows for an easy retreat to safe territory for any soldiers carrying weapons that should not be there. 

    here a video uploaded on monday aug 25 ,of The fighters from Motorola's detachment are sweeping Ilovaysk suburbs from the punitive troops from the battalions "Azov" and "Donbass-1".



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Firebird on Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:48 am

    That updated map certainly looks good news.
    But ofcourse it must be considered alongside the outrages and tragedies of civillian AND resistance forces deaths.

    Many questions remain unanswered.
    Will the aim to get a separate/federalised Donetsk and Lugansk?
    Will there be 7 or so oblasts joining into a S and E Ukrainian Novorossiya?
    Will the whole Ukraine be federalised? Will it all be neutral?
    Will Russia eventually have a neutral zone in the W Ukraine?
    Will Kiev city itself be neutral/anti-Russian or even pro Russian?
    Will Novorossiya get justice against those most guilty? For instance the overseas backers of the junta and the Shite Sektor scum who committed atrocities?
    How long will the war last?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:09 pm

    4 ukrainians killed by russian mi-24.
    And Russia says their troops "accidentlly" crossed the border.

    http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2014/08/26/rusland-militairen-staken-per-ongeluk-grens-met-oekraine-over/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  fragmachine on Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:39 pm

    Guerillas fired at a column of retreating from Mariupol Ukr troops and Natsgvardii on the outskirts of Zaporozhye.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:07 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:4 ukrainians killed by russian mi-24.
    And Russia says their troops "accidentlly" crossed the border.

    http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2014/08/26/rusland-militairen-staken-per-ongeluk-grens-met-oekraine-over/

    that information could be fake.. to damage the peace talks in Belarus..  similar to the so called T-90 invasion in Ukraine from Russian army.


    Updated map.. of the conflict.



    Even thought their progress have been significant.. specially in the north.. When you compare the rebels controlled zone with the area of DOnetsk and Lugansk its original size.. there is a lot of work to do.. and even if they control both.. most of Ukraine will be at the hands of Kiev.. By looking at the so tiny land the rebels have..i don't think that will be enough to convince other cities to rebel against kiev. IF kiev offers full autonomy to the tiny zone they control it will still be a victory for kiev . we will see. But doesn't look the Novo militia will manage to keep the support of Russia for a very long war and or to take territories in other cities like Kharkiv or Odessa. LAvrov is promoting Autonomy for Donetsk and Lugansk while both cities continue to be part of Ukraine for peace.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:57 pm

    Now this is really completely Stupid.. beyond belief.. from 4-10 Russian soldiers serviceman were captured
    by Ukraine secret service.. and they all have papers and and apparently did not resisted arrest..  It seems like the
    most stupid thing ever made by Russia since the conflict began..

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/746693

    It beyond incompetence.. Russia says they were patrolling the border and were arrested.. Now US can ask ukraine to deport the soldiers to America under any excuse .for "supporting terrorism" or drugs smuggling or hacking. lol
    Is kind of stupid why would russia allow their serviceman to be captured.. it looks like a trap.. if they were helping
    the Rebels it could have been done by any mercenaries without risking having to deal with the diplomatic scandal they now have. No And if it is true they were patrolling the border.. then it was a very stupid to ask your serviceman to go very close to the border..

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:03 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:4 ukrainians killed by russian mi-24.
    And Russia says their troops "accidentlly" crossed the border.

    http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2014/08/26/rusland-militairen-staken-per-ongeluk-grens-met-oekraine-over/

    You are aware that OSCE is heavily monitoring the Russian/Ukrainian border right? The same OSCE that forced both the EU and the UN to admit that Georgia was the aggressor in the 8-8-08 war, that Georgia broke the long-standing peace keeping agreement and that Russia was the one on the defensive and was in accordance of the peace keeping agreement. I always get a good laugh when I hear people that claim Russia is seeking regime change in neighboring countries through war, if that was true why was Sakashivili left in power in Georgia? Despite all the Western media black propaganda and domestic Georgian media black propaganda, Mikhail Sakashvili's party was voted out of power any way, and he lost all hopes ever holding power again, and even his own people refused to buy his lies. After the Iraq War tragedy, people should be skeptical about  war-mongering black propaganda, 10's of thousands of newspapers  were all harping and hyping WMD's in Iraq, without questioning the truthfulness of claims, all those news organizations that just parroted the claim "WMD's in Iraq" were all in collusion with each other to sell the war in Iraq!

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:36 pm

    They were about 25km in border claimed by Ukrainian authorities. Who knows what happened but it was 10 guys vs the hundreds of Ukrainian troops who entered Russian lands with equipment. Not counting the aircrafts and bombs dropped into Russian territory. Video of claims from Ukraine authorities of how these troops are saying they sympothise with Ukraine and how they are being used as cannon fodder by Russia, cannot be heard on video as they switch around to other people before so called statement. So that much is a lie. But they did get into Ukrainian land and lets see how this shapes out. So far Ukraine is not holding them as POW's but maybe PR gain. And who knows were they were found.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  etaepsilonk on Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:46 pm

    Meanwhile, at UA headquarters Wink
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7PmzdINGZk

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:56 pm

    sepheronx wrote:They were about 25km in border claimed by Ukrainian authorities. Who knows what happened but it was 10 guys vs the hundreds of Ukrainian troops who entered Russian lands with equipment. Not counting the aircrafts and bombs dropped into Russian territory. Video of claims from Ukraine authorities of how these troops are saying they sympothise with Ukraine and how they are being used as cannon fodder by Russia, cannot be heard on video as they switch around to other people before so called statement. So that much is a lie. But they did get into Ukrainian land and lets see how this shapes out. So far Ukraine is not holding them as POW's but maybe PR gain. And who knows were they were found.

    my bet is that they were kidnapped.. when patrolling the border. That there was about 60-100 armed ukies in Russian Territory and waited them for the usual patrol ,and surprised them. the story of Ukraine that the Russians were fighting on the side of the militia and that a convoy they were was destroyed.. because

    -Where is the militia?
    -why they are not wounded? how can the russians be in a convoy and not resist arrest and not being wounded
    if their armored vehicles were destroyed?
    -Why no information of killed people given?

    So if they were fighting.. why they just surrender and allow them to be arrested?
    You cannot capture 10 well armed soldiers fighting inside ukraine without someone being wounded. and they all
    look perfectly fine..

    -Why they are forced to tell lies on video against their government and in pro Right sector? thats ridiculous. and makes no sense they will speak in a video how wonderful right sector is..

    In short looks like a staged event..that they were kidnapped and caught in a trap when they were patrolling the border.. Probably the ukies enter Russia to capture them.. to use them as "proof" that Russia is fighting with the Rebels.. In other words the entire thing looks like a public relations stunt.. of Ukraine.. to get sanctions against them for helping the rebels and to ask a high price for release of them. in other words to use the soldiers to blackmail Russia.

    The Russian invasion makes no sense..because they are not wounded.. and they do not resist arrest and kiev claims their armored vehicles were destroyed.. but none of them seems wounded.. Im sure Russia have to be helping the Rebels.. but this story totally looks staged.. and PR trap.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:07 pm

    The claims of what the soldiers are saying or said is by Ukraine. In video, they didnt make those claims.

    Who knows. But I am hoping there will be an inquiery. As well, if these soldiers did run off, then I hope they face justice in Russia. But Russian gov does make a good point. Why make a fuss about it when Ukies have gone over Russian border, even bombed and killed a Russian in Rostov and they didnt retaliate or moan none stop.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:47 pm

    sepheronx wrote:The claims of what the soldiers are saying or said is by Ukraine. In video, they didnt make those claims.

    Who knows. But I am hoping there will be an inquiery. As well, if these soldiers did run off, then I hope they face justice in Russia. But Russian gov does make a good point. Why make a fuss about it when Ukies have gone over Russian border, even bombed and killed a Russian in Rostov and they didnt retaliate or moan none stop.

    this is the best quote in youtube from the report..

    Of course it was a mistake. How about the continuous shelling of the Russian territory by the Ukrainian army? An invasion with 10 soldiers??! At night?? With uniforms and insignia? Give me a break, you terrorists from Kiev!! wrote:

    And here is RT report.. looks indeed like a big PR stunt from Kiev..
    and for the record i do think Russian special forces have to be inside in the hundreds.. up to a couple of thousands.
    But this look like grasping straws.. a montage for public relations.




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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Firebird on Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:13 pm

    Willy Wanker from the Chocolate Factory really is a clown. Albeit an evil one.

    He talks about
    1 compromise
    2 "respecting the Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereingty".
    3 "respecting the will of its people".
    4 a lot more babble.

    What the prick means is "we can have as many coups as we want, but anyone pro Russian cant".
    "Fuck the integrity of the Fmr Soviet Space because that doesnt count".

    The fuckers are getting a beating currently. And Winter hasnt even started, let alone the efforts in Odessa, Kharkov etc.
    Maybe its time to get him backpeddling, but no time for deals. The guy's basically a war criminal.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Petro007 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:40 pm

    Reports that GRu colonel Igor Girkin aka Strelkov is dead. Maybe Putin killed him (KGB does not like GRU)

    I want that to be true Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:42 pm

    Obvious anglo saxon troll is obvious.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  fragmachine on Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:57 pm

    Petro007 wrote:Reports that GRu colonel Igor Girkin aka Strelkov is dead. Maybe Putin killed him (KGB does not like GRU)

    I want that to be true Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    Before Strelkov goes to heaven Porky shenko will be hanging from the tree, with his head looking down the hell.

    And if western Ukr by some miracle survive, you can expect EU fall, next on the road will be fake governments. Poland will rebel too and we will hunt down rest of bandera loons, starting from Lvov Smile

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

    Post  medo on Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:01 pm

    Petro007 wrote:Reports that GRu colonel Igor Girkin aka Strelkov is dead. Maybe Putin killed him (KGB does not like GRU)

    I want that to be true Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    Unfortunately Strelkov is commanding the southern counteroffensive to encircle Ukrainian units and advance to Azov sea and to Mariupol.

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