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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:55 pm

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/745647

    Maybe Chubais is whom we are talking about? Sounds like the guy is pissed regarding the sanctions.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:56 pm

    One thing we DEMAND from Vlad. To win in Ukraine. To win Ukraine to be more precise. If this means negotiations and economic treaties and huge investments like they should have done back in November 2013 if Ukies where not the morons they are or if this means Ka-52s or Topol-Ms makes little difference. Just don't lose. And I think he is right on track.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:00 pm

    Wait for the winter and hot headed will cool down very quick. The West will still spewing propaganda that Russia is letting people freeze to death and all that bullcrap they are spewing but all common people countries that were hit back by russian sanctions they understand that this is not Russias fault but the stupid sanction game the West has started.

    Let them freeze lets see how fast the hands will grap for Parasha-enkos throat.


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    What is left behind of ukropy outpost after leaving under Lugansk rebels pressured and ukropy army left their toys.
    Quite nice equipment rebels now have more.
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:29 pm

    It seems that Porosenko mercenaries got complete and utter defeat on all fronts

    DNR: The militia captured the 30th Brigade the National Guard of Ukraine

    one brigade after another is being destroyed


    nuff said

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    Militias destroyed in the Luhansk region at least 6 Ukrainian tanks
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    Post  arpakola on Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:05 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:One thing we DEMAND from Vlad. To win in Ukraine. To win Ukraine to be more precise. If this means negotiations and economic treaties and huge investments like they should have done back in November 2013 if Ukies where not the morons they are or if this means Ka-52s or Topol-Ms makes little difference. Just don't lose. And I think he is right on track.

    ok ok .. to win the 40% of it , I may say
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:03 pm

    Viktor wrote:It seems that Porosenko mercenaries got complete and utter defeat on all fronts

    DNR: The militia captured the 30th Brigade the National Guard of Ukraine

    one brigade after another is being destroyed


    nuff said

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    Militias destroyed in the Luhansk region at least 6 Ukrainian tanks

    Georgian mercenary?
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:19 pm

    Werewolf wrote:

    Georgian mercenary?

    Yep... Unless he is just trolling with a georgian flag on his chest.  Smile 
    He needs to be sent to Georgia and arrested there.. under murder charges.. for his battalion was
    Bombing cities indiscriminately.. If Georgia release him , it will be bad for them with their Russian relations.
    it will mean that Georgia support sending mercenaries to war and later cannot complain Russia do the same against
    them. If released by Georgia ,Russia can use the ugly mercenary as an example why Georgia cannot complain about Russia using mercenaries anywhere.  Wink

    His is more valuable as a political tool ,sending him to Georgia regardless if arrested or not.. will be an embarrassement for the Georgian president. weather he have anything to do with that or not. 
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:27 pm

    arpakola wrote:Ukies under fire


    By the way.. artillery is really OP..
    Look how they took that entire valley and not even the trees or grass survived.  Shocked 
    IF there was an army there of 1 million people it will have been all wiped. IS crazy how much
    artillery was used there to attack the ukies.. even though it appears they hit almost nothing still is scary..
    because the damage over an huge zone was very high.I don't think a soldier will have a chance to live in such
    place ,was burned completely .. Grad Rockets? seems to be quite effective.
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:31 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Georgian mercenary?

    Yup, the Greogian trolls end at plain sight
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    Post  medo on Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:56 pm

    Сводки от ополчения Новороссии
    Сводка от штаба Армии Юго-Востока за ночь 19 августа: попытки противника взять Ясиноватую, Ждановку и Иловайск успехом не увенчались

    В течение ночи с 18 на 19 августа обстановка существенно не изменилась. Основные усилия силовых структур Украины были сосредоточены на установлении контроля над крупными населенными пунктами Донецкой и Луганской народных республик с целью блокирования и последующего уничтожения занимающих их сил народного ополчения.
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    На Донецком направлении украинские силовики наносили огневые удары по позициям ополчения в Донецке, Макеевке, Моспино, Пески, Красногоровке и предпринимали безуспешные попытки овладеть населенными пунктами Ясиноватая, Ждановка и Иловайск. Обстрелу из РСЗО «Град» подверглась северо-восточная окраина Макеевки. Продолжались напряженные бои в районах кургана Саур-Могила и населенного пункта Тараны.

    В ходе упорных и кровопролитных боев за Иловайск потери противника составили до 80 человек убитыми и ранеными. Уничтожено и повреждено до 42 единиц техники.

    В результате артиллерийского обстрела позиций карателей в районе н. п. Кутейниково уничтожено до 3 БМП и 15 человек личного состава.

    На Луганском направлении противник активных наступательных действий не предпринимал, продолжал обстреливать жилые кварталы Луганска и позиции ополчения в районах Юбилейное и Металлист. Погибли мирные жители.

    В ходе боя в районе н. п. Хрящеватое подразделениями ополчения уничтожено 4 танка и 2 автомобиля противника.

    Силами ополчения установлен контроль над участком дороги между населенными пунктами Малая Вергунка — Пионерское, Пионерское — Огульчанск, Огульчанск — Давыдово — Никольское.

    Артиллерией ополчения нанесен огневой удар по автомобильной колонне противника в районе населенного пункта Петровское. Уничтожено до 5 грузовых автомобилей с боеприпасами.

    В течение ночи разведывательными подразделениями ополчения велись активные поисковые действия.

    Today Ukrainian army have heavy losses. In Ilovaisk Ukrainian army lost up to 80 soldiers and 42 vehicles. In Kuteinikovo they lost 15 soldiers and 3 BMPs. In Hrashevatoe they lost 4 tanks and 2 cars. In artillery strike they lost 5 trucks with ammo.

    Novorussian army also start using captured Uragan MLRSs on Ukrainian units.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:59 pm

    How many of the famous Youtube Ukrainian macho men have been humbled in battle? I mean their was that muscle head who was humbled in battle, then there was the sig heil salute kid that was humbled, and now you have the Georgian mercenary that was humbled.
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    Post  Regular on Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:00 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Im reading on the comments on Colonel site.. that apparently Strelkov was removed from his position
    because Russia and or Putin do not like him or do not trust in him.. Any one knows if there is any truth
    about this? That Streelkov is not liked by Russia?  and or Putin?  and the weird reason of removing him from his position?


    Also in colonel site.. he was replying to someone, and he told that there is very powerful people
    in Russia that wants to see it destroyed and the Novorrosiya also destroyed.. Anyone knows who
    could be he meaning? because all the major political parties supported the take over of Crimea and
    support novorrosiya. which Power enemies Russia have inside Russia? and what could they gain destroying
    Russia?  Neutral 
    Strelkov is no fan of Putin. Read his older posts in antikvar forum where he even calls him names.
    People who want to see Novorussia destroyed are the one who have interest in Ukraine, like oligarchs who milk Russians and Ukrainians alike.
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    Post  arpakola on Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:05 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Im reading on the comments on Colonel site.. that apparently Strelkov was removed from his position
    because Russia and or Putin do not like him or do not trust in him.. Any one knows if there is any truth
    about this? That Streelkov is not liked by Russia?  and or Putin?  and the weird reason of removing him from his position?


    Also in colonel site.. he was replying to someone, and he told that there is very powerful people
    in Russia that wants to see it destroyed and the Novorrosiya also destroyed.. Anyone knows who
    could be he meaning? because all the major political parties supported the take over of Crimea and
    support novorrosiya. which Power enemies Russia have inside Russia? and what could they gain destroying
    Russia?  Neutral 
    Strelkov is no fan of Putin. Read his older posts in antikvar forum where he even calls him names.
    People who want to see Novorussia destroyed are the one who have interest in Ukraine, like oligarchs who milk Russians and Ukrainians alike.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:41 pm

    arpakola wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:One thing we DEMAND from Vlad. To win in Ukraine. To win Ukraine to be more precise. If this means negotiations and economic treaties and huge investments like they should have done back in November 2013 if Ukies where not the morons they are or if this means Ka-52s or Topol-Ms makes little difference. Just don't lose. And I think he is right on track.

    ok ok .. to win the 40% of it ,  I may say

    Start with 100% so we might end up compromising with 70%  lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:27 am

    If novorrosiya militia wins.. Other Pro Russian Regions from Odessa to Kharkiv will follow with rebelions..saying me too..  If Novorrosiya lose and separatist routed to Russia.. they will gain a major dangerous confidence ,thinking Russia was also fighting with the Rebels and were defeated.. and will try to attack Crimea and start another war there.. and or also attack transintia in revenge against Russia.  So people thinking there will be peace if the war ends in easter ukraine ,because the rebels defeated ,don't hold your breath waiting.. it will trigger more wars. but perhaps not before NATO re-arm them..with better weapons..or even give them nukes. Ukraine was taken by the white house for that purpose to use the territory as a battlefield to fight Russia. So a war that never stop in Ukraine was always part of the plan. The west goals is not a military victory ,they now kiev cannot defeat Russia..but an endless war simply wants to destroy Russia economy and damage not only Russia image worldwide but also damage Putin popularity.

    Regular wrote:
    Strelkov is no fan of Putin. Read his older posts in antikvar forum where he even calls him names.
    People who want to see Novorussia destroyed are the one who have interest in Ukraine, like oligarchs who milk Russians and Ukrainians alike.

    Really?

    That might explain things a lot. why the changes in Novorrosiya leadership. perhaps.. it is ? that Russia is a little concerned that if they invade Ukraine to restore order and enforce peace that they will with a trojan horse of a rebelius leadership that could turn against them one day or maybe Strelkov popularity could challenge Putin and
    Medvedev.?  And i right?    I can understand anyone calling names putin , because personally i consider the Coup against Yakunovych a total failure of Putin inaction and the entire civil war could have been avoided had Russia be more active in helping restore order earlier when Yakunovych was in power. And what names Strelkov call Putin?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:51 am

    hat Russia is a little concerned that if they invade Ukraine to restore order and enforce peace that they will with a trojan horse of a rebelius leadership that could turn against them one day or maybe Strelkov popularity could challenge Putin and

    If Putin hasn't invaded now while Kiev is shelling the rebels when will he invade?

    I would suggest Putin has no intention of invading the Ukraine and I am sure he would be happiest if all fighting stopped right now... all the pro Russians decided to move to Russia and get jobs and use their skills to make Russia more successful and to have families and forget about Ukraine... but only with the written down promise that NATO and the EU will not move into the Ukraine.
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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:16 am

    GarryB wrote:
    hat Russia is a little concerned that if they invade Ukraine to restore order and enforce peace that they will with a trojan horse of a rebelius leadership that could turn against them one day or maybe Strelkov popularity could challenge Putin and

    If Putin hasn't invaded now while Kiev is shelling the rebels when will he invade?

    I would suggest Putin has no intention of invading the Ukraine and I am sure he would be happiest if all fighting stopped right now... all the pro Russians decided to move to Russia and get jobs and use their skills to make Russia more successful and to have families and forget about Ukraine... but only with the written down promise that NATO and the EU will not move into the Ukraine.

    Same promises as not occupying and taking ex USSR countries into NATO savery, like promises not to build NATO bases near Russia?
    Everything that comes out of the US regimes mouth is a lie they understand only one language and that is violence and the right of the stronger.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:49 am

    That is why I said written down promises... all the other promises they have broken have been verbal and personal.

    It is the main reason they wont put a promise not to use the Europe ABM system against Russia on paper because it will take years to build and they know they wont have to backtrack when it is ready to be able to use it against Russia if needed.

    If it is written down however any new regime would have to abide by it or withdraw from it.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:57 am

    GarryB wrote:That is why I said written down promises... all the other promises they have broken have been verbal and personal.

    It is the main reason they wont put a promise not to use the Europe ABM system against Russia on paper because it will take years to build and they know they wont have to backtrack when it is ready to be able to use it against Russia if needed.

    If it is written down however any new regime would have to abide by it or withdraw from it.

    The U.S. State Dept. signed a anti-arms trafficking law at the U.N. some 7 months ago, but their still arms trafficking in to Syria. U.S. is supposed to follow the Geneva Conventions, but they don't. It doesn't matter what they sign, once they break it no one will hold them accountable.
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:02 am

    The american mercenary retard fighting in Ukraine ,that VICE public relations ukies media interviewed is being reported today was killed.



    Some new map of the action.. Im a little worried about the airport ,the south of the cauldron looks much better
    now. So far the Rebels situation looks have improved... still the north they need to stop and push the ukies far from the airport and if possible level to the ground the entire place.. once the airport free.. many new soldiers can be liberated.

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    Post  arpakola on Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:16 am

    This video shows DNR rebels moving into and sweeping through Miusysnsk recently
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48f_1408475130

    http://savepic.su/4262210.jpg
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    http://rusvesna.su/news/1408487587
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    Huge losses ATO: August 19, just near Donetsk killed about 500 troops - intercept data

     Speaker of the Parliament of New Russia Oleg Tsarev reported data intercept Ukrainian military talks from which it follows that the loss of the government forces are enormous. Only for August 19, near Donetsk killed 483 servicemen.

    "A rare case when reports that militia units served, were lower than the casualty figures of Ukrainian troops that we have received through negotiations intercept Ukrainian military. Only in today's day as a result of heavy fighting near Donetsk killed 483 Ukrainian soldiers and more than seven hundred wounded. Sooner or later, the Ukrainian government is responsible for the victims on all sides. "

    During the day, in different Ukrainian media appeared numerous publications about the death or injury of such famous characters as the battalion commander "Donbass" Semen Sementchenko, son of Dmitry Korchinsky, partner of the famous journalist Mykhaylyna Skoryk Sergey and American mercenary Mark Paslavsky.  
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:04 pm

    Vann7 wrote:



    Glazyev for president!
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    Post  Feldmarszal on Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:52 pm

    http://lifenews.ru/news/138727

    Seems like the government forces will soon be running low on choppers. These losses should be particularly hard to replace- tanks or BMPs can be always bought from old Warsaw Pact members in the region, but noone has spare helicopters just lying around.

    Edit: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/20/us-ukraine-crisis-airplane-idUSKBN0GK1Z020140820

    And supposedly a SU-25, too.
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    Post  fragmachine on Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:05 pm

    [quote="arpakola"]This video shows DNR rebels moving into and sweeping through Miusysnsk recently
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48f_1408475130

    http://savepic.su/4262210.jpg
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    http://rusvesna.su/news/1408487587
     20/08/2014 - 2:33
    Huge losses ATO: August 19, just near Donetsk killed about 500 troops - intercept data

     Speaker of the Parliament of New Russia Oleg Tsarev reported data intercept Ukrainian military talks from which it follows that the loss of the government forces are enormous. Only for August 19, near Donetsk killed 483 servicemen.

    "A rare case when reports that militia units served, were lower than the casualty figures of Ukrainian troops that we have received through negotiations intercept Ukrainian military. Only in today's day as a result of heavy fighting near Donetsk killed 483 Ukrainian soldiers and more than seven hundred wounded. Sooner or later, the Ukrainian government is responsible for the victims on all sides. "

    During the day, in different Ukrainian media appeared numerous publications about the death or injury of such famous characters as the battalion commander "Donbass" Semen Sementchenko, son of Dmitry Korchinsky, partner of the famous journalist Mykhaylyna Skoryk Sergey and American mercenary Mark Paslavsky.  

    Regarding the map, hardly surprising move to the north. Junta's keiser nazi soldats are beyond being dumb. Every time they move - they end up in encirclement. Seems that only Luhansk needs additional barrels to end Ukrops on the south.

    Four days left to the Independence Day of Ukraine, and looking at how the situation unveils I can guess now who really will be on that party in Kiev...  Laughing 
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:05 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:



    Glazyev for president!


    Just a few corrections..he called the anti-Russian ukies Nazis.. but saluting like hitler and praising their spies
    is not enough representation of what  Nazism was. What you have in Ukraine is Banderism.. Or CIA_nderism.
    And organization entirely fabricated after soviet union collapse in Ukraine ,for the purpose to serve western Neocon American-British -Jewish Elite.. Banderas today totally opposite of what Hitler wanted a world without American-Jewish Britist domination. They probably attacked Soviet Union because saw them very week ,and their oil fields were too tempting. In everything else he is right. Is an economic war , with a military conflict using Ukraine as the front line and the Nazism propaganda is used to attract people to their movement from all europe . Because if the movement was based on Harry tukituki that no one knows ,who is janitor in a school,it will not attract anyone. But so far what Glazyev do not say is that the western plans are doomed to fail. There is no chance the Banderism will become popular in all europe.. Major problem they have is that they have no leader with charisma to give good discourses and that everyone knows they are puppets of the west and majority young people totally ignorants of how to create a powerful nation. What they are doing is the opposite destroying Ukraine by opening its territory to the IMF and Fracking and becoming colonies of the US and the EU.

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