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    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:53 pm

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    Well Embargo is embargo..But please.. trashing good fruits like those ? I found it kinda difficult to accept. Mad 
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    Post  medo on Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:35 pm

    Сводки от ополчения Новороссии
    12.08.14. Сообщение от журналистов.

    "Харьковские партизаны опробовали захваченные Джавелины. В районе Чугуева партизаны Харьковской народной республики уничтожили крупный резервуар с горючим. Сгорела тысяча тонн горюче-смазочных материалов. Дым от пожара был виден за десять километров от места возгорания.
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    По некоторым данным, для поджога резервуара использовались два Джавелина из числа тех, что были захвачены партизанами при разгроме вражеской автоколонны. Поскольку партизаны не имеют опыта применения столь необычного для наших мест образца вооружения, для первой атаки была избрана столь крупная и неподвижная цель.
    Следующей целью партизан стал один из армейских грузовиков ЗиЛ-131, перевозивший военнослужащих 24-й бригады. Головка самонаведения захватила моторный отсек автомобиля, и ПТУР врезался прямо в радиатор. Уцелевшие солдаты бросились врассыпную, но трое из них остались около горящей машины с высоко поднятыми руками. Не вылезая из зелёнки, партизаны скомандовали сдающимся двигаться по направлению к ним. Сдавшиеся солдаты объяснили, что, побывав в окружении, они решили воевать за народ, а не против народа и только ждали удобного момента, чтобы перейти на сторону ополченцев".

    It seems rebels in Harkov capture Ukrainian Javelin ATGMs from destroyed convoy and they test it on Ukrainian army ZIL-131 and destroy it. I wonder how many they capture and I hope they will soon successfully use them on Ukrainian tanks and artillery.
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:09 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:That's not good  Neutral 

    "Ukrainian security agent said on Tuesday that a column of Russian humanitarian aid to be sent to the Eastern Ukraine will not be admitted into the country."

    http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/world/ukraina-apie-vilkikus-is-rusijos-neisileisime.d?id=65536594#ixzz3ABOSjVc0

    THe humanitarian cargo will be sent with or WITHOUT Ukraine agreement. Russia will not let millions of civilians to
    starve of food in Donetsk and Lugansk. If Ukraine attack the convoys as they will try to do in case they reject the aid ,the only way they can stop them are using airforce and it will be shot down by the Rebels.. Just remember that we are speaking about 300 trucks!!!!  the ukie airforce will not risk their planes being shot down and invade the Novorosya airspace to waste their bombs on the cheap trucks..that give them no military advantage on the field and  that they will be never able to contain. At best they will destroy 10 trucks but with their planes shut down, but another 290 will enter.  Smile 

    IF the ukie army attack the trucks ,Russia will fill them with weapons ,manpads and anti-tank weapons  artillery munition. And the kiev junta will not be able to do anything because they will have no evidence of Russia supplying weapons to them. In any case they do Russia can say that kiev is receiving weapons from NATO too.  Wink 

    The trucks can also be used to evacuate civilians in the nights... if you ask me ,Russia should have done this weeks ago . Its very clever.. Because if Kiev bombs the humanitarian aid ,there will be journalist that with film it and will give them very bad world image of destroying an humanitarian cargo for civilians.. and will do something that the white house do not want.. to have the world attention on Kiev criminal war and how they not even allow civilians to receive food water and medicine.  Wink

    And if the western mafia try to use United Nations to condemn Russia for their actions ,they will look very bad because the protest will be against Russia sending humanitarian aid to Ukraine ,when they are doing that in IRAQ and Syria. So is a win win.. from the strategy point of view and from the world image.. Russian media will be filming how they supply food to civilians and it will make the west look like the Criminals they are for denying citizens humanitarian help.

    How can anyone here explain ,how can UN and its so called "Human rights organizations" deny Russia demand for a temporary cease of fire to allow civilians women and children escape the war zone? Can anyone explain hows that possible? Not even a cease of fire is enforced to investigate the crash of a civilian plane with 300 passenger.. to investigate the killing of hundreds of civilians is not longer important for the west until the kiev junta have control of the crime scene. the world needs a major re-organization , and totally relocate United Nations outside US with real humanitarian workers and not the scum that works there.  They supported the entire Arab Spring and NATO "humanitarian bombings" in many countries ,which only goal was to get Islamic radicals in power ,that they could easily control.
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    Post  etaepsilonk on Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:14 pm

    Vann7 wrote:If Ukraine attack the convoys as they will try to do in case they reject the aid ,the only way they can stop them are using airforce and it will be shot down by the Rebels

    Lol. You do realize that you can also stop vehicles by using these?  Wink 
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:24 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:

    Lol. You do realize that you can also stop vehicles by using these?  Wink 

    Remember that the Border of Lugansk ,many checkpoints is controlled by the Novo militia. Ukraine will not have a way to stop the humanitarian help since they do not control many border points... What they can do is sacrifice their planes to stop fighting and their limited carried bombs to try to hit a truck.. is not as easy as it looks to bomb a moving small target while at the same time your plane is being attacked by manpads.  Wink    Artillery however could damage trucks but only if they know from where the trucks drive and when.  I think the possibilities that Russia can enter 300 trucks with humanitarian help and or weapons and leave without a scratch is not difficult at least for now that the rebels have a huge control in Lugansk.. In Donetsk is a different story there is a small zone that connect both cities but still can be done specially at night.

    Now is time for good news..

    The Right sector went to Donetsk in A bus to attack civilians ,they though they had special powers and could
    evade bullets.. but they later discovered they were wrong and that there will be no Glory for Ukraine and that the only one they will see is from a distance in hell.   pirat 

    (warning very graphic - more than a dozen of right sector killed)
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    Post  etaepsilonk on Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:50 pm

    That's assuming convoys will be going through rebels controlled areas only. That may not be the case here.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:56 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:If Ukraine attack the convoys as they will try to do in case they reject the aid ,the only way they can stop them are using airforce and it will be shot down by the Rebels

    Lol. You do realize that you can also stop vehicles by using these?  Wink 
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     lol1 lol1
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:21 pm

    THis is what Russia should have been done long time ago..

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    At sochi ,Egypt President agreed to join a free trade zone with Russia and the custom union.
    And you start distancing from the EU.. because so far they are slaves of US.
    To get closer to the middle east and euroAsia. There is huge business opportunity there... Egypt now is broken
    But it have a big potential to develop its economy ,specially thanks to its suez channel . Russia have a lot of weapons they can sell in the middle east and fully modernize them.. China can build infrastructure too.


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    Post  Mike E on Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:27 pm

    Always great to hear... Bummer knowing that the US will intervene and destabilize Egypt even further as punishment.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:59 am

    Mike E wrote:Always great to hear... Bummer knowing that the US will intervene and destabilize Egypt even further as punishment.

    Well, for the time being, the "all-US" Muslim Brotherhood has been removed in Egypt.

    Sorry for the off-topic. Off Topic 
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:07 am

    Sisi is no better. I don;t trust the man. Nor his country. We shall be careful.  Off Topic 
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    Post  Mike E on Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:11 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Always great to hear... Bummer knowing that the US will intervene and destabilize Egypt even further as punishment.

    Well, for the time being, the "all-US" Muslim Brotherhood has been removed in Egypt.

    Sorry for the off-topic. Off Topic 
     - True.


     - This could be expanded upon in a different thread.
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:31 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Sisi is no better. I don;t trust the man. Nor his country. We shall be careful.  Off Topic 

    When Sisi was elected President.. the first nation that Sisi shake hands was Russia.. to sign contracts.fpr wea[pms. thats pretty important. Im more worried about IRAQ.. the west already began a soft political coup there asking Maliki the PM to step down.. the party of him which is majority in IRAQ,however backup him to continue as Prime Minister.
    The only way he can be removed is by an armed coup.. and is worry that US and UK fly planes in IRAQ airspace.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:52 am

    Vann7 wrote:The Right sector went to Donetsk in A bus to attack civilians ,they though they had special powers and could
    evade bullets.. but they later discovered they were wrong and that there will be no Glory for Ukraine and that the only one they will see is from a distance in hell.   pirat 

    (warning very graphic - more than a dozen of right sector killed)

    The Georgian mercenary "Doberman" is among the dead. The one with the "Putin is a dickhead - lalala" cushion (01.30 on video)

    He obviously liked to take pictures of himself
    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1726983.html
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:57 pm

    Can anybody translate this? I can't understand the Google translation.

    Также подтвердили вчерашние накрытия (3 раза) своих хунтят в с. Степановка (у Саур-Могилы) и обстрел блокпоста у с. Ильинка, обстрелы Луганского аэропорта и другие атаки.

    Что-то только не рассказали, как их колонну у Лутугино (ЛНР) накрыли, а потом утром позиции в самом городе. Да и много чего еще.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:22 pm

    Situation in Novorossiya on 13/08/14

    Source: http://kot-ivanov.livejournal.com/


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    Apparently the Novorussian thrust (№16 in the map) has continued on and closed the ring around a large pocket of encircled fascists.

    Also extremely importantly, it has been reported that the Novorussians have regained control over the Donetsk-Gorlovka road; that should mean that the fascist forces in the area (№12) has been annihilated or are in the process of being annihilated.

    This means that there are at least four or five reported major pockets of encircled fascists that are in the process of being annihilated.
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    Post  Firebird on Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:50 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Situation in Novorossiya on 13/08/14

    Source: http://kot-ivanov.livejournal.com/


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    Apparently the Novorussian thrust (№16 in the map) has continued on and closed the ring around a large pocket of encircled fascists.

    Also extremely importantly, it has been reported that the Novorussians have regained control over the Donetsk-Gorlovka road; that should mean that the fascist forces in the area (№12) has been annihilated or are in the process of being annihilated.

    This means that there are at least four or five reported major pockets of encircled fascists that are in the process of being annihilated.

    Thats good news. However, my concern is the coming bombardment of Donetsk, and the tightening of the situation around Gorlovka.
    There's a massive border open with (the rest!) of what I consider Russia. Surely, Russia can send lots of stuff in. After all, who's to know if it came from seizures in the cauldron/defecting units or from over in Russia!??

    The junta are pissing around re the aid convoys. It really is incredible how these bastards in Brussels and Washington are defending it.
    I wonder what Russia could send that is mobile, and on account of its newness would have better range than the junta's own analogues. Other than that, Idon't really want to speculate too far on what tactics might work vs the junta.

    My other concern is that the Resistance will find it hard/impossible to defend the junta in open terrain. Which means it would be hard to "get round the back" of junta forces.

    I also read of discussions saying that the use of IEDs and guerilla tactics in Kharkov etc is about a month away. Why would that be?
    And does that mean the Resistance are concerned for the future of their campaign with heavy weapons?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:24 pm

    There are reports, e.g., at Colonel Cassad's, which indicate that the biggest problem Novorussians currently have is due to the political problems in Novorossiya and related to Novorossiya.

    I don't really want to speculate now.
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    Post  etaepsilonk on Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:50 pm

    Members of "right sector" arrested, allegedly, for trying to smuggle weapons into middle Europe:

    Правый сектор вывозит оружие из зоны так называемой АТО и вооружается:

    В Закарпатской области милиция задержала членов "Правого сектора" с партией оружия из зоны карательной операции в Новороссии
    На железнодорожном переезде в г. Стрый 12 августа около 01:00 с использованием огнестрельного оружия (в связи с отказом остановиться, правоохранители осуществили выстрелы по колесам) были остановлены два автомобиля чешской регистрации. При осмотре автомобиля Jeep Grand Cheroke, которым передвигались три жителя Закарпатской области, были обнаружены и изъяты автоматы, пулемет, винтовка, гранаты, магазины АК. При осмотре второго автомобиля Jeep Grand Cheroke, в котором тоже ехали 3 жителя Закарпатской обл., были обнаружены и изъяты предметы, внешне похожие на гранату РГД – 5, магазин к АК, снаряженный 30 патронами кал. 5.45мм; магазин, снаряженный 20 патронами калибра 7.65 мм; две радиостанции.

    Just like with syrian rebels, west's support of Kiev stooges is starting to backfire  Wink 
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:53 pm

    Apparently Ukraine is saying no to Russian humantarian aid. Thus should be another indication to the idiots in the west thag Ukraine ia being given a free pass to kill their own people.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:11 pm

    Strelkov allegedly got injured.
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:14 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Apparently Ukraine is saying no to Russian humantarian aid. Thus should be another indication to the idiots in the west thag Ukraine ia being given a free pass to kill their own people.

    Again Russia will send that aid with or without kiev support. IF kiev say no.. then Russia will not use Kiev controlled
    border points but instead Rebels controlled ones. and with a bonus of big cracker jax surprise in every truck the rebels will love inside.  Laughing 


    But really think Russia best strategy is to send the humanitarian aid through Rebels controlled borders and roads all the way to Donetsk.. and evacuate civilians when the trucks leave. That way they can use the trucks not only for humanitarian aid but also to supply munitions to rebels a reinforcements.  I tell you is pretty clear Russia support
    for the Rebels is very minimal ,their political problems is clear evidence of that..that they feel alone.. and the fact that they ukie army have managed to get so close to the crash site when Russia can easily enter the border and helps them. osce observers cannot be 24 hours monitoring.. and im sure some of them ,are anti-junta and will look to the sides if notice Russia helping the rebels.
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:22 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Strelkov allegedly got injured.



    from vineyard of the saker.. :


    UPDATE: all my sources now report that Strelkov is fine and that this rumor is false. Good.  


    On other news.. check the plane route that the President of Egypt took to travel from Sochi  to
    Egypt when he was there signing a free trade deal.. Very Happy

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    Very clever way to know how are diplomatic relations ..

    Update 2 from voice of sevastopol..

    20-15, For information about the alleged injury Strelkova spoke and Deputy Minister of Defense DNI Fedor Berezin said that these data do not correspond to reality.
    - It's a lie or other reference stuffing, - said Fyodor Berezin. - I do not know who is spreading these rumors, but they appear not for the first time and, of course, were never confirmed. Archery with Igor's all right.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:40 am

    I am sure if the rebels want to send some of those Javelins to the Russians that the Russians will swap them for Metis-M1s that will be far more useful and portable... Russia is having sanctions imposed on them by the west... so if they are going to do the time they might as well do the crime.  Rolling Eyes 
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:57 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Strelkov allegedly got injured.

    Here is what Colonel Cassad says about this.

    Colonel Cassad's Appraisal

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