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    Promising destroyer "Lider-class"

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    Post  Tyloe Fri May 22, 2015 8:52 am

    Cyberspec wrote:They're weighing up whether to make the new destroyer supersructure out composite materials or aluminium

    The destroyer "Leader", which is likely to become the basis for a promising carrier in the Russian Federation might have a superstructure out of composite materials.

    This was reported to RIA Novosti on Wednesday, by the general director of the Mid-Nevsky Shipyard, Vladimir Seredoho.

    "Currently the project is considering a superstructure out of aluminum or composite. If the composite option is chosen, we will build it" - said Seredoho.

    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150520/1065540284.html#ixzz3agAekoez

    Would this also confirm that OSK plans to construct the first units at the Mid-Nevsky Shipyard?
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    Post  jhelb Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:14 am

    GarryB wrote:Hopefully they will try one of their new more powerful nuclear reactors in an upgraded Kirov class vessel that replaces the complicated propulsion design currently used, and when upgrading the Kuznetsov perhaps a nuclear propulsion redesign could be considered too.

    Garry, the nuclear reactor for the Leader will be a new reactor.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:11 pm

    Leader -all missiles in VLS
    (so CIWS as well Morfey?)

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150611/1069415872.html

    MOSCOW, 11 Dec — RIA Novosti. Promising destroyer project Leader will be winged and armed with anti-aircraft missiles secretive home, told RIA Novosti on Thursday, a senior representative of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.
    "This will be the platform for 60 cruise missiles, not 24 like (nuclear guided missile cruiser — ed.) "Peter the Great", — said the interlocutor of the Agency, noting that all the missiles: both cruise and anti-aircraft will be stored in the mines.
    The project is being developed in the Central research Institute named Krylov, it is planned that the ship will be built with a nuclear power unit. The displacement of the ship will be 14 thousand tons, the crew will consist of 350 people.
    Bookmark brain destroyer at the plant "Severnaya Verf" in St. Petersburg will take place at the turn of 2017-2018.
    The model of the future destroyer type "Leader" will be first demonstrated at the opening on June 16 in Moscow the exhibition "Army-2015".

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    Post  mack8 Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:09 pm

    From Armya-2015. Perhaps this is the "Leader" after all?
    http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/930493.html
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:59 pm

    mack8 wrote:From Armya-2015. Perhaps this is the "Leader" after all?
    http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/930493.html
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    ...If that turns out to be the case, a lot of people will end up eating humble pie lol! lol1
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:22 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    ...If that turns out to be the case, a lot of people will end up eating humble pie lol! lol1

    Agreed, and I never did understand the skepticism expressed about the model, as the general configuration was quite workable and reasonable IMHO. The stacked pyramidal superstructure may be a little unaesthetic, but its driven by the use of AESA panels inclined for coverage against high angle of attack weapons, so whats the problem?
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    Post  Flanky Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:36 pm

    I hoe it will have some weapon to defend itself from UAV swarms... like the Ranets EMP weapon announced....
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:37 pm

    Looks underarmed and with a lot of wasted surface area.
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    Post  max steel Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:22 pm

    Russian Navy to Start Building New Lider-Class Destroyer in 2019

    Russian Navy plans to begin construction of a new Lider-class destroyer in 2019, Navy Commander-in-Chief Adm. Viktor Chirkov told reporters.

    The Russian Navy unveiled Lider's designs at the Army-2015 international military technical forum earlier this week.
    According to the description, the vessel will have a displacement of approximately 17,500 tons, with a length of 200 meters and a breadth of 20 meters.

    The destroyer may be armed with up to 60 anti-ship cruise missiles, 128 anti-aircraft guided missiles, and 16 anti-ship guided missiles.The vessel may reach a speed of 30 knots and operate to up to 90 days without support.

    "We plan to start construction of a Lider destroyer in 2019. We are currently carrying out design work," Chirkov said.

    He added that the capabilities of the new destroyers would be comparable with the capabilities of a cruiser.

    Russia is currently undergoing a $325-billion rearmament program for a 70-percent increase in its military's modern weaponry by 2020.



    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150621/1023666085.html#ixzz3diq1nJDz
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:05 pm

    max steel wrote:The destroyer may be armed with up to 60 anti-ship cruise missiles, 128 anti-aircraft guided missiles, and 16 anti-ship guided missiles.The vessel may reach a speed of 30 knots and operate to up to 90 days without support.

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150621/1023666085.html#ixzz3diq1nJDz
    lol! lol! lol!

    Journos of course took auto translation - 16 in original is referring to ASW rocket torpedoes pirat
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    Post  George1 Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:25 pm

    Russian Navy to Start Building New Lider-Class Destroyer in 2019

    Russian Navy plans to begin construction of a new Lider-class destroyer in 2019, Navy Commander-in-Chief Adm. Viktor Chirkov told reporters.

    ST. PETERSBURG (Sputnik) — The Russian Navy unveiled Lider's designs at the Army-2015 international military technical forum earlier this week.

    According to the description, the vessel will have a displacement of approximately 17,500 tons, with a length of 200 meters and a breadth of 20 meters.

    The destroyer may be armed with up to 60 anti-ship cruise missiles, 128 anti-aircraft guided missiles, and 16 anti-ship guided missiles.The vessel may reach a speed of 30 knots and operate to up to 90 days without support.

    "We plan to start construction of a Lider destroyer in 2019. We are currently carrying out design work," Chirkov said.

    He added that the capabilities of the new destroyers would be comparable with the capabilities of a cruiser.

    Russia is currently undergoing a $325-billion rearmament program for a 70-percent increase in its military's modern weaponry by 2020.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150621/1023666085.html#ixzz3djZWDA71
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    Post  chicken Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:15 am

    George1 wrote:Russian Navy to Start Building New Lider-Class Destroyer in 2019

    The destroyer may be armed with up to 60 anti-ship cruise missiles, 128 anti-aircraft guided missiles, and 16 anti-ship guided missiles.The vessel may reach a speed of 30 knots and operate to up to 90 days without support.


    So 60 UKSK, 128 Redut and 16 Uran?
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:42 am

    chicken wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russian Navy to Start Building New Lider-Class Destroyer in 2019

    The destroyer may be armed with up to 60 anti-ship cruise missiles, 128 anti-aircraft guided missiles, and 16 anti-ship guided missiles.The vessel may reach a speed of 30 knots and operate to up to 90 days without support.


    So 60 UKSK, 128 Redut and 16 Uran?

    Uran can launch from the UKSK cells no?

    Perhaps 16 Hermes, although goodness knows what for.
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    Post  chicken Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:06 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    chicken wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russian Navy to Start Building New Lider-Class Destroyer in 2019

    The destroyer may be armed with up to 60 anti-ship cruise missiles, 128 anti-aircraft guided missiles, and 16 anti-ship guided missiles.The vessel may reach a speed of 30 knots and operate to up to 90 days without support.


    So 60 UKSK, 128 Redut and 16 Uran?

    Uran can launch from the UKSK cells no?

    Perhaps 16 Hermes, although goodness knows what for.

    Uran can? I thought they can only launch from their dedicated diagonal launchers like Harpoon vs Mk. 41, if Uran can fit in UKSK then can it fit in a quadpack?

    Also what if Zirkon can't fit in UKSK so it needs a separate silo?
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    Post  Mike E Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:19 am

    Zirkon will almost certainly fit...after all it is designed to be able to be fired from UKSK.

    Uran could but that doesn't mean it will.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:57 am

    I would guess it is supposed to be 64 Anti ship cruise missiles (ie 8 X 8 UKSK launchers) plus 128 SAM launchers in vertical tubes (4 X 32) and 2 x 8 UKSK with anti Sub weapons loaded... ie 16 Club anti sub missiles.

    Launching Uran from a UKSK tube would be like launching an SA-13 from an SA-12 tube.
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    Post  chicken Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:20 am

    Another way would be instead of 16 anti-ship guided missiles it's actually 16 anti-sub guided missiles. They did have some rumours of Gorshkov carrying Medvedka-2 VLS, probaby Leader carries it?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:35 am

    Also what if Zirkon can't fit in UKSK so it needs a separate silo?

    The UKSK launcher is a universal land attack cruise missile, anti ship cruise missile, and anti sub ballistic missile launcher... all their next generation missiles will be designed to be fired from this vertical launch system... which means every new vessel and every vessel upgraded to include the UKSK launcher will be able to fire old and new weapons in those classes....

    Another way would be instead of 16 anti-ship guided missiles it's actually 16 anti-sub guided missiles. They did have some rumours of Gorshkov carrying Medvedka-2 VLS, probaby Leader carries it?

    UKSK can carry the 91RE2 ballistic torpedo carrying rocket... that would make Medvedka redundant.

    Medvedka is a lightweight system designed for vessels of 350 tons or heavier...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:27 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Also what if Zirkon can't fit in UKSK so it needs a separate silo?

    The UKSK launcher is a universal land attack cruise missile, anti ship cruise missile, and anti sub ballistic missile launcher... all their next generation missiles will be designed to be fired from this vertical launch system... which means every new vessel and every vessel upgraded to include the UKSK launcher will be able to fire old and new weapons in those classes....

    Another way would be instead of 16 anti-ship guided missiles it's actually 16 anti-sub guided missiles. They did have some rumours of Gorshkov carrying Medvedka-2 VLS, probaby Leader carries it?

    UKSK can carry the 91RE2 ballistic torpedo carrying rocket... that would make Medvedka redundant.

    Medvedka is a lightweight system designed for vessels of 350 tons or heavier...

    so all that 22160 and 2063x types of ships for Pontus Euxinus Smile
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    Post  Triod Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:18 pm

    chicken wrote:Another way would be instead of 16 anti-ship guided missiles it's actually 16 anti-sub guided missiles. They did have some rumours of Gorshkov carrying Medvedka-2 VLS, probaby Leader carries it?

    actually it is 16 antisub MTT "Paket" torpedoes or 16 antitorpedo rocket-torpedoes M-15 in any combination

    but in brain of journalists this transformed into 16 antisub missiles
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:31 pm

    actually it is 16 antisub MTT "Paket" torpedoes or 16 antitorpedo rocket-torpedoes M-15 in any combination

    but in brain of journalists this transformed into 16 antisub missiles

    Rather more sensible...

    BTW it is forum rule that new members post an introduction in the introduction and rules section... Smile
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    Post  George1 Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:20 pm

    Source: Atomic power unit for Russian aircraft carrier to be worked out on Lider destroyer

    According to previous reports, Leader destroyer will be armed with the Kalibr and Onyx cruise missiles or their modifications, as well as with the S-500 marine anti-aircraft missile system

    ST. PETERSBURG, July 2. /TASS/. The nuclear power generating facility for the propulsion system of Russia’s future aircraft carrier will be worked out on the Lider (Leader) class destroyer, a shipbuilding industry source told TASS on Thursday.

    "At first, the nuclear power unit for the future national aircraft carrier will be worked out on the Lider destroyer," he said at the International Maritime Defence Show (IMDS-2015).

    Elements of the ship’s deck, according to the source, will be worked out at the Yeisk training complex in the Krasnodar region in southern Russia. "Later, the future aircraft carrier’s body will be explored," the source added.

    The Russian Navy plans in the future to obtain new aircraft carriers, but the timeframe for the construction this class of vessel is unknown. The Navy has said that a prospective aircraft carrier will be built no earlier than in 2030.

    As for the Leader destroyer, its construction could begin in 2019 - such statement was made by Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy Admiral Viktor Chirkov in late June. According to previous reports, this ship’s displacement may be 15,000 tonnes, the vessel will be armed with the Kalibr and Onyx cruise missiles or their modifications, as well as with the S-500 marine anti-aircraft missile system. The source told TASS that the Navy planned to get 12 destroyers of the new class.

    The 7th International Maritime Defence Show is held St. Petersburg from July 1 to 5, 2015. The IMDS-2015 organiser is the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade. The exhibition is held with participation of the Russian Defence Ministry, Foreign Ministry, Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, the Government of St. Petersburg and OJSC Rosoboronexport arms exporting company. The Exhibition Operator is Morskoy Salon JSC.
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    Post  Viktor Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:38 pm

    respekt

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    Post  max steel Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:03 pm

    Kalibr and Onyx cruise missiles or their modifications, as well as with the S-500 marine anti-aircraft missile system . Twisted Evil
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:32 am

    Holy moly roly this thing is armed to the absolute teeth

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