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    SeigSoloyvov

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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:57 am

    LOL Sure the Russian government gave a web site on the internet over it's own state-controlled media outlets, it's own shipyards, over it's own public but they gave the scope to a site on the internet.

    You are full of crap man if there was any truth to this story Russian media, shipyards or the government would have said something
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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  eehnie on Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:02 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:LOL Sure the Russian government gave a web site on the internet over it's own state-controlled media outlets, it's own shipyards, over it's own public but they gave the scope to a site on the internet.

    You are full of crap man if there was any truth to this story Russian media, shipyards or the government would have said something

    So you pretend to control all the public information, every small contract, everything... ohhh, very cute

    Well, if you can not faster, you will have to digest this slowly.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    First unit of the Project 23560 Lider, named Orlov-Chesmenskiy, under production, for desperation of pro-US commenters.

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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:17 am

    eehnie wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:LOL Sure the Russian government gave a web site on the internet over it's own state-controlled media outlets, it's own shipyards, over it's own public but they gave the scope to a site on the internet.

    You are full of crap man if there was any truth to this story Russian media, shipyards or the government would have said something

    So you pretend to control all the public information, every small contract, everything... ohhh, very cute

    Well, if you can not faster, you will have to digest this slowly.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    First unit of the Project 23560 Lider, named Orlov-Chesmenskiy, under production, for desperation of pro-US commenters.


    yes because that website speaks for the russian shipyards and government which have never mentioned such a thing.

    Let me show you real proof https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2017/11/27/russias-military-modernization-plans-2018-2027/

    The Very plan the russians are going by the SAP.

    "The only new class of surface ships expected to be built in the next eight years are the so-called Super Gorshkov-class, an 8,000-ton frigate that is increasingly seen as a cheaper and more practical alternative to the 14,000-ton Lider-class destroyers"

    The SAP which comes from the Russian Government it's self-says you are wrong, now I have proven you wrong but we all know you will double down on this idiocy and continue to make a fool of yourself but enjoy that.
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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  eehnie on Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:30 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:LOL Sure the Russian government gave a web site on the internet over it's own state-controlled media outlets, it's own shipyards, over it's own public but they gave the scope to a site on the internet.

    You are full of crap man if there was any truth to this story Russian media, shipyards or the government would have said something

    So you pretend to control all the public information, every small contract, everything... ohhh, very cute

    Well, if you can not faster, you will have to digest this slowly.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    First unit of the Project 23560 Lider, named Orlov-Chesmenskiy, under production, for desperation of pro-US commenters.


    yes because that website speaks for the russian shipyards and government which have never mentioned such a thing.

    Let me show you real proof https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2017/11/27/russias-military-modernization-plans-2018-2027/

    The Very plan the russians are going by the SAP.

    "The only new class of surface ships expected to be built in the next eight years are the so-called Super Gorshkov-class, an 8,000-ton frigate that is increasingly seen as a cheaper and more practical alternative to the 14,000-ton Lider-class destroyers"

    The SAP which comes from the Russian Government it's self-says you are wrong, now I have proven you wrong but we all know you will double down on this idiocy and continue to make a fool of yourself but enjoy that.

    Lol, another American blog:

    Author
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    Harvard University
    1730 Cambridge St
    Cambridge, MA 02138
    Fax: 253-559-3118
    E-mail: gorenbur [at] fas.harvard.edu

    https://russiamil.wordpress.com/about/
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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:42 am

    MHm thought you would say that, fact is all that website did is state what the SAP said.

    https://southfront.org/russias-state-armaments-program-for-2018-2025/

    http://tass.com/defense/982420

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201704071052401560-russia-arms-program/

    "He added that the planned construction of Shtorm-class nuclear aircraft carriers could also be put on hold and that Lider-class destroyers would hardly be floated before 2025"

    This line is in sputnik

    These are all pro russian websites~

    Or does you silly little website know better than the Defense Minister Yuri Borisov
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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  eehnie on Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:02 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:MHm thought you would say that, fact is all that website did is state what the SAP said.

    https://southfront.org/russias-state-armaments-program-for-2018-2025/

    http://tass.com/defense/982420

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201704071052401560-russia-arms-program/

    "He added that the planned construction of Shtorm-class nuclear aircraft carriers could also be put on hold and that Lider-class destroyers would hardly be floated before 2025"

    This line is in sputnik

    These are all pro russian websites~

    Or does you silly little website know better than the Defense Minister Yuri Borisov

    In the refered to the Russian Navy, no-one of this sites has the knowledge that russianships.info proves to have.
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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:23 am

    eehnie wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:MHm thought you would say that, fact is all that website did is state what the SAP said.

    https://southfront.org/russias-state-armaments-program-for-2018-2025/

    http://tass.com/defense/982420

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201704071052401560-russia-arms-program/

    "He added that the planned construction of Shtorm-class nuclear aircraft carriers could also be put on hold and that Lider-class destroyers would hardly be floated before 2025"

    This line is in sputnik

    These are all pro russian websites~

    Or does you silly little website know better than the Defense Minister Yuri Borisov

    In the refered to the Russian Navy, no-one of this sites has the knowledge that russianships.info proves to have.

    russianships.info knows better than Defense Minister Yuri Borisov lol!
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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  eehnie on Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:15 am


    lol!lol! Do you think the people able to create a database like this, read not Borisov (in Russian)? Nothing of what Yury Borisov said contradicts the source.

    At this point, what we see in this link:

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    means that the construction of the first unit of the Project 23560 begins under the State Armament Program 2011-2020 (likely thanks to the Mistral money). Today the State Armament Program 2018-2025 is not still in force. I would not be surprised if there is a similar situation with the first unit of the Project 23000. If this is right, it would not be a need of ordering big ships under the State Armament Program 2018-2025.

    Also what we see in this link means that Yury Borisov is doing good work distracting you of the reality. lol! lol!
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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:30 am

    The Lider class destroyer requiers the naval S-500,Pantsir-M and other weapon systems that are still in development therefor the first Lider class will likely only be operational in the early to mid 2020s however It would make sense for Russia to make a pilot ship in order to test systems and work out what problems need to be fixed before pressing the new ships into service.

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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:47 pm

    https://flotprom.ru/2015/186337/

    I found the article that is the source because of which Eehnie thinks lider is under construction. It is also quoted in wiki page for russiaan navy ships as a source for the first lider being under construction.

    So according to my auto translation it says they plan to start it in 2017. The article was writen in 2015.

    So Eejnie this is bullshit that has 0 value.
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    Project 23560

    Post  eehnie on Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:32 am

    Isos wrote:https://flotprom.ru/2015/186337/

    I found the article that is the source because of which Eehnie thinks lider is under construction. It is also quoted in wiki page for russiaan navy ships as a source for the first lider being under construction.

    So according to my auto translation it says they plan to start it in 2017. The article was writen in 2015.

    So Eejnie this is bullshit that has 0 value.

    I posted clearly the link that makes me think that the first unit of the Project 23560 is under construction.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Their sources, I do not know. Surely many, most of which I do not have access to. But I know their work is fair and reliable in overall terms.
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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:21 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    Isos wrote:https://flotprom.ru/2015/186337/

    I found the article that is the source because of which Eehnie thinks lider is under construction. It is also quoted in wiki page for russiaan navy ships as a source for the first lider being under construction.

    So according to my auto translation it says they plan to start it in 2017. The article was writen in 2015.

    So Eejnie this is bullshit that has 0 value.

    I posted clearly the link that makes me think that the first unit of the Project 23560 is under construction.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Their sources, I do not know. Surely many, most of which I do not have access to. But I know their work is fair and reliable in overall terms.

    you have just been disproven again on this subject, I find it hilarious you just cannot drop it and admit you were wrong.
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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:22 pm

    Isos wrote:https://flotprom.ru/2015/186337/

    I found the article that is the source because of which Eehnie thinks lider is under construction. It is also quoted in wiki page for russiaan navy ships as a source for the first lider being under construction.

    So according to my auto translation it says they plan to start it in 2017. The article was writen in 2015.

    So Eejnie this is bullshit that has 0 value.

    We all know the ship is not being built our delusional buddy here is the only one who thinks it is.

    We all know even if Putin himself walked infront of him and said "The ship isn't under construction" he would call Putin a Liar and say his little website knows better then the president of Russia.


    Long story short this isn't a thing you can say that will change his mind the guy is out of his dam mind.
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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:28 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    We all know the ship is not being built our delusional buddy here is the only one who thinks it is.

    We all know even if Putin himself walked infront of him and said "The ship isn't under construction" he would call Putin a Liar and say his little website knows better then the president of Russia.


    Long story short this isn't a thing you can say that will change his mind the guy is out of his dam mind.

    But calling Lider a promising destroyer he is somehow right - they promised to build it, eventually Smile

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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  hoom on Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:49 am

    I posted clearly the link that makes me think that the first unit of the Project 23560 is under construction.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Their sources, I do not know. Surely many, most of which I do not have access to. But I know their work is fair and reliable in overall terms.
    Engage brain a bit: No Russian language sources claim it to be under construction.
    Only this one English language source says 'under construction' in notes to a data table without claiming a laid down date.
    Also with internal contradiction that it says 'planned 2017' which implies the data is old since many Official Russian sources have been saying 'not till ~2025' for a couple of years.

    There is clearly an error on that page, logically the error is the one which contradicts all other sources.
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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  eehnie on Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:29 pm

    hoom wrote:
    I posted clearly the link that makes me think that the first unit of the Project 23560 is under construction.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Their sources, I do not know. Surely many, most of which I do not have access to. But I know their work is fair and reliable in overall terms.
    Engage brain a bit: No Russian language sources claim it to be under construction.
    Only this one English language source says 'under construction' in notes to a data table without claiming a laid down date.
    Also with internal contradiction that it says 'planned 2017' which implies the data is old since many Official Russian sources have been saying 'not till ~2025' for a couple of years.

    There is clearly an error on that page, logically the error is the one which contradicts all other sources.

    This is a Russian source. And one of the bests.

    http://russianships.info/boevye/23560.htm

    Also I can include an important number of links to Russian articles that do not agree with the narrative of delaying.

    I care 0 about the insults of some that want a narrative different to the reality. With the time the reality will pass over them, as has been doing until now.


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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  Isos on Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:37 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    hoom wrote:
    I posted clearly the link that makes me think that the first unit of the Project 23560 is under construction.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Their sources, I do not know. Surely many, most of which I do not have access to. But I know their work is fair and reliable in overall terms.
    Engage brain a bit: No Russian language sources claim it to be under construction.
    Only this one English language source says 'under construction' in notes to a data table without claiming a laid down date.
    Also with internal contradiction that it says 'planned 2017' which implies the data is old since many Official Russian sources have been saying 'not till ~2025' for a couple of years.

    There is clearly an error on that page, logically the error is the one which contradicts all other sources.

    This is a Russian source. And one of the bests.

    http://russianships.info/boevye/23560.htm


    Is your life so boring that you need to play the stupid child on forums ? Your source is bullshit.

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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  hoom on Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:24 am

    This is a Russian source. And one of the bests.

    http://russianships.info/boevye/23560.htm
    OK so the same site has the same error in their Russian language version dunno
    There is still an error on that page and logically its still the one which disagrees with every other source.
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    Re: Promising destroyer / NIR Leader:

    Post  eehnie on Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:50 am

    hoom wrote:
    This is a Russian source. And one of the bests.

    http://russianships.info/boevye/23560.htm
    OK so the same site has the same error in their Russian language version  dunno
    There is still an error on that page and logically its still the one which disagrees with every other source.

    Knowing that they only create a reference in their database when a project becomes under construction, I do not consider this a mistake. You will not find in the database current projects of ships that reached not the phase of construction (like the Project 23000, the Project ??? Husky, the Project ????? Priboi,...).

    The time will talk.

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