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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:44 pm


    When you think about it, unifying fleet of heavy combat vehicles should be priority and RU military is definitely focusing on that.

    MRAPs are comparatively simpler and cheaper systems so while having a tangled logistic chain in that segment is certainly a hassle, it is smaller and perfectly manageable hassle.

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:58 pm

    GarryB wrote:The Typhoon vehicles are a family of vehicles... like Kurganets, Boomerang, and Armata.

    Volk and Tiger are like a BMP or BTR... it has a range of variants but there is no complete family of vehicles... ie no tank version etc.

    Typhoon will be the very light vehicle family and may only be used in VDV or light recon units as the vehicle basis. Where speed and transportability by rail or air is top priority.

    It will enter service in one form or another.

    I rather suspect the Boomerang family will be the most heavily used and produced because it will be cheap and mobile and well armoured and well armed.

    For any net centric military it will be critical to collect data and light highly mobile units will be one way of doing that... along with drones and satellites etc etc.

    Actually the UVZ Tigr-M is looking a lot like a family of vehicles these day, and off the top of my head I know we've seen Tigr-m's being used as a APC, a ATGM carrier, a recon/intelligence vehicle, a ECM vehicle, and a NBC/engineering vehicle.

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:00 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    When you think about it, unifying fleet of heavy combat vehicles should be priority and RU military is definitely focusing on that.

    MRAPs are comparatively simpler and cheaper systems so while having a tangled logistic chain in that segment is certainly a hassle, it is smaller and perfectly manageable hassle.

    The most important thing is those vehicles are made underneath the same house, because even if the vehicles are fundamentally different, it'll be much more likely to share commonality than otherwise.

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  eehnie on Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:19 am

    GarryB wrote:The Typhoon vehicles are a family of vehicles... like Kurganets, Boomerang, and Armata.

    Volk and Tiger are like a BMP or BTR... it has a range of variants but there is no complete family of vehicles... ie no tank version etc.

    Typhoon will be the very light vehicle family and may only be used in VDV or light recon units as the vehicle basis. Where speed and transportability by rail or air is top priority.

    It will enter service in one form or another.

    I rather suspect the Boomerang family will be the most heavily used and produced because it will be cheap and mobile and well armoured and well armed.

    For any net centric military it will be critical to collect data and light highly mobile units will be one way of doing that... along with drones and satellites etc etc.

    What I see happening:

    - Armata: heavy platform for around 50 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - Kurganets: tracked platform for around 25 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - Bumerang: wheeled platform for around 25 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - BMD-4M: light platform for around 15 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - Typhoon: 6x6 APC/Armoured Trucks for around 20-25 tons transport in contested/combat areas. It is a family of vehicles, but not a single platform (different chasis seem used).
    - Bulat: Cheap 6x6 APC/Armoured Truck used to scort Surface-Surface missile vehicles in non-contested areas.

    - Tigr, Iveco LMV and others not officially adopted like the Typhoon 4x4, BPM-97,...: semiarmoured light trucks. Not new orders and deliveries completed for the Russian Armed Forces since the upgrade in the safety standards (the contract of the Iveco LMV was previous). Some ordered for other security forces.

    What I do not see happening:

    - I do not see the Typhoon family being developed for artillery, anti-tank or even IFV roles like the armata, kurganets, bumerang and BMD-4M  platforms.
    - I do not see the Typhoon family being developed as a light platform. The vehicles adopted until now are between 20 and 25 tons.
    - I do not see the light semiarmoured trucks (Tigr, Iveco LMV,...) being orderded more for combat purposes.


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Benya on Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:32 am

    Russia to export the Typhoon-K 4x4 in the future

    Russia will promote Typhoon-K (KAMAZ-53949) 4x4 resistant ambush protected vehicle (MRAP) vehicle on foreign markets.

    The press service of Rosoboronexport arms trader said a corresponding program was inked by its Director General Anatoly Isaikin and Faiz Khafizov, the director general of Remdiesel enterprise which produces the vehicle.


    Typhoon-K (KAMAZ-53949) 4x4 resistant ambush protected vehicle (MRAP) during a live demonstration in KADEX 2014, defense exhibition in Kazahstan.

    "The implementation of the program for 2017-2018 has already begun. Rosoboronexport marketing plans as well as international exhibitions and shows will get corresponding themes and events as well as demonstrations of Typhoon-K with 4x4 wheel arrangement which has to be produced by Remdiesel in export version by the end of 2016," it said.
    Isaikin said Typhoon-K may be marketed in Northern Africa, the Middle East, Central and Southeast Asia, Latin America and the CIS.

    The press service said Typhoon-K is designated for army and special forces, including peacekeepers. It can transport personnel and cargoes and can also be used as a basic chassis for mounting technical systems and armaments.

    The KamAZ-53949 is a Russian-made 4x4 mine resistant ambush protected vehicle (MRAP) designed and developed by the Company KAMAZ. The vehicle was unveiled for the first time to the public in 2014 during the defense exhibition KADEX in Kazakhstan.

    This vehicle can carried a total of 10 military personnel including driver and commander. It has a payload capacity of 2,000 kg. It offer high level of protection against ballistic and mine threats.

    Original article:
    Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/august_2016_global_defense_security_news_industry/russia_will_promote_typhoon-k_kamaz-53949_4x4_mrap_vehicle_on_foreign_markets_tass_12108161.html



    Good news thumbsup . BTW I didn't know that it was revealed 2 years ago.

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:40 am

    Actually the UVZ Tigr-M is looking a lot like a family of vehicles these day, and off the top of my head I know we've seen Tigr-m's being used as a APC, a ATGM carrier, a recon/intelligence vehicle, a ECM vehicle, and a NBC/engineering vehicle.

    True, but as I said the same could be said of all the variants of the BTR-80 and BMP-1/2/3 and MTLB and even the T-90/80 there are command variants, artillery variants, electronic/engineer etc etc, but they are not designed to operate as one division with all the same vehicles... they are designed to reduce the different types needed but not eliminate odd types in a force.

    What I see happening:

    - Armata: heavy platform for around 50 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - Kurganets: tracked platform for around 25 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - Bumerang: wheeled platform for around 25 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - BMD-4M: light platform for around 15 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - Typhoon: 6x6 APC/Armoured Trucks for around 20-25 tons transport in contested/combat areas. It is a family of vehicles, but not a single platform (different chasis seem used).
    - Bulat: Cheap 6x6 APC/Armoured Truck used to scort Surface-Surface missile vehicles in non-contested areas.

    Standard Russian units will be tank or motor infantry the same as they are now, but will become heavy, medium tracked, medium wheeled or light wheeled.

    The BMD-4 is specialised for the VDV and likely will fill the unique niche of light tracked vehicle that would be useful in rough country to the VDV.

    Typhoon will be a 4x4 or 6x6 vehicle family with unified engines and transmissions and systems and will basically replace the BRDM type vehicle family.

    MRAP type vehicles will be used by paramilitary forces and police forces and likely not so much the Russian military... in the past such forces have used military vehicles, but I suspect no longer.

    Note regarding two versions of typhoon... the Armata also has two versions... with front and rear engined models... but basically the same vehicle. the Typhoon will be the same with a lengthened 6 wheel model for heavier roles.


    What I do not see happening:

    - I do not see the Typhoon platform being developed for artillery, anti-tank or even IFV roles like the armata, kurganets, bumerang and BMD-4M platforms.

    First of all if Tigr can carry Kornet in the AT role why not Typhoon?

    A 6 wheel lengthened chassis version could easily have the 57mm gun... it wont carry an enormous troop number but high mobility should compensate for that.

    - I do not see the Typhoon platform being developed as a light platform. The vehicles adopted until now are between 20 and 25 tons.

    I have not seen any weight information for 4x4 or 6x6 typhoons.

    - I do not see the light semiarmoured trucks (Tigr, Iveco LMV,...) being orderded more for combat purposes.

    Perhaps because we have not seen the full range of vehicles for any of the families yet.

    Part of the problem is that is seems to be a popular name for current light vehicles... some of which might be for the Russian government contract, others just an MRAP for export or domestic sale to other customers.


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  eehnie on Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:14 pm

    At this point, unlike in the cases of the armata, kurganets and bumerang platforms, is very uncertain, even very unlikely, to see standard tank or motor infantry units of the Russian Army equiped with light wheeled vehicles as combat warfare. This is not happening. A good number of light wheeled vehicles are failing in the tests, or in other steps previous to the official adoption, and the reasons for it are structural, not things that can be solved with minor design changes.

    It is obvious that the industry is spending in to develop these vehicles (maybe too much), and they want a commercial way for them at least in Russian security forces and for the export markets. Then it will not be public rejections of them that can damage their image for external markets, but at same time, there are not public reports of these vehicles being officially adopted for combat purposes, and there are not public reports of these vehicles being ordered and delivered for the Russian Armed Forces for combat purposes. We can not expect public rejections, but we are not having public positive official news, and this is what matter, to see them in service with the Russian Armed Forces.

    Potential uses for the light semiarmoured trucks:
    - Some operations of light military transport in non-contested areas.
    - Security forces that work in non-contested areas.
    - Export markets.

    GarryB wrote:Typhoon will be a 4x4 or 6x6 vehicle family with unified engines and transmissions and systems and will basically replace the BRDM type vehicle family.

    With the increasing use of drones, and of land robots, land reconnaissance vehicles like the BRDM-2 are losing place for operations in the front-line with the Russian armed forces. I think that vehicles of the same platform used by every unit will take the reconnaisance works that be not covered by drones or land robots, like it was done before with BTR-80, BMP-1 or BMP-3 reconnaissance variants. I do not think the Typhoon vehicles are oriented to replace the BRDM-2. I do not know where you see it. This is not happening now. The 6x6 Typhoon today seem more oriented to transport of soldiers and/or cargo in contested/combat areas.

    Also, as I commented with you other times, vehicles of different weight class share not chasis, engines or transmissions because of a number of reasons. If you doubt about it, you can see in the following links how the 3 first Typhoon variants, that are 6x6 and of the same weight class have all engines of 450hp (likely the same), while the 4x4 Typhoon vehicle (the last) seem to have an engine of 350hp, which obviously would be different.

    http://www.military-today.com/apc/kamaz_taifun.htm
    http://www.military-today.com/apc/ural_taifun.htm
    http://www.military-today.com/apc/kamaz_63969.htm
    http://www.military-today.com/apc/kamaz_53949.htm

    GarryB wrote:First of all if Tigr can carry Kornet in the AT role why not Typhoon?

    A MT-LB, BRDM-2, Tigr or Typhoon 4x4 with a Kornet mounted is a MT-LB, BRDM-2, Tigr or Typhoon 4x4 with a Kornet mounted. It makes not them "Anti-tank vehicles". Like a ZSU-23-2 mounted on a Toyota makes not the Toyota an anti-aircraft vehicle.

    GarryB wrote:I have not seen any weight information for 4x4 or 6x6 typhoons.

    In the previous links and in other sources the information is offered. Maybe this is why you keep thinking that the Typhoons are light vehicles.

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:19 am

    A MT-LB, BRDM-2, Tigr or Typhoon 4x4 with a Kornet mounted is a MT-LB, BRDM-2, Tigr or Typhoon 4x4 with a Kornet mounted. It makes not them "Anti-tank vehicles". Like a ZSU-23-2 mounted on a Toyota makes not the Toyota an anti-aircraft vehicle.

    In a typhoon motor rifle division there needs to be a vehicle that carries ATGMs... at the moment in current MR Divs that vehicle is an MTLB with Shturm, Ataka and Krisantema missiles.

    In the previous links and in other sources the information is offered. Maybe this is why you keep thinking that the Typhoons are light vehicles

    I have not seen any information regarding Typhoon family vehicles designed for the light vehicle role. If it is going to be a medium weight vehicle then there is no point for it except as a lighter armed Boomerang for COIN ops and paramilitary operators.

    If you doubt about it, you can see in the following links how the 3 first Typhoon variants, that are 6x6 and of the same weight class have all engines of 450hp (likely the same), while the 4x4 Typhoon vehicle (the last) seem to have an engine of 350hp, which obviously would be different.

    If they are from the same family they will use the same transmission and engine. Having 100hp less does not make it a different engine.

    The engine for Armata has already been revealed to be 1,400hp in the current model for the tank but able to be uprated to 2,400hp in later versions. Different vehicles in the family use the same engine with slightly different ratings depending on max weight of that vehicle to ensure similar mobility performance for all vehicles in the family.

    The 4x4 will have the same engine as the 6x6 but derated by 100hp because of lower weight.


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  eehnie on Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:09 pm


    You are wrong GarryB. The data offered in the links about the engine power is a parameter of the engine, not a variable. You really do not know about engines.

    The info about weight and engine power of the four links is quite clear:

    Typhoons 6x6:
    21 tons 450 hp Typhoon-K
    24 tons 450 hp Typhoon-U
    20 tons 450 hp Kamaz 63969

    Typhoons 4x4
    12 tons 350 hp Kamaz 53949

    While the Typhoons 6x6 clearly have the same engine and likely share the same chasis, it is very clear that the chasis and the engine of the Typhoon 4x4 is different.

    The vehicles of the Typhoon family are being designed on two different platforms, one for 6x6 vehicles and the other for 4x4 vehicles.

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:20 am

    Equipped with a "Armata" X-shaped diesel engine Chelyabinsk-85 A-3. It has a switching mode power limit from 1200 to HP 1500-1600

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    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1854p475-official-armata-discussion-thread-1?highlight=armata+engine

    From this source:

    http://argumenti.ru/army/n398/271027

    The vehicles of the Typhoon family are being designed on two different platforms, one for 6x6 vehicles and the other for 4x4 vehicles.

    The whole purpose of the exercise is standardisation/unification... it makes no sense to have several different types of engine/transmission etc etc in one unit.

    Have you not heard of an engine governor? ie limiting the power of an engine to improve fuel efficiency or engine life or both?

    Why not put the same engine in both vehicles with the smaller vehicle having an engine governor to limit its power to 350hp, and no governor on the heavier vehicles allowing them to develop 450hp... it means all the vehicles in the unit have the same engine... same transmission, same parts.

    Engine power is limited by the transmission... you can put any engine in a car you like but if the transmission is limited to 400hp then all the engines you put in that car will be 400hp or less... if they are more you blow the transmission and you walk everywhere.


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  galicije83 on Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:09 pm

    As i read about tayphoon K 4x4 it use Cummins engine, not russian?

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    Post  eehnie on Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:49 pm

    You are not understanding the issue GarryB. The parameter of engine power for an engine of 450 hp limited to 350 hp is still 450, not 350. If this would be the case, the source would say that the Typhoon 4x4 has a 450 hp engine.

    The problem with all this, is that what we see happening with the Typhoon family, is not a vehicle platform like in the case of the armata, kurganets, bumerang or BMD-4M. Then nothing makes think that it will be Typhoon divisions, like can be standard combat divisions with armata, kurganets, bumerang or BMD-4M based vehicles.

    In the Typhoon family we have adopted two armoured trucks (1st and 2nd links) of mid size that can work to transport people or material in contested/combat areas. In the case of the Typhoon-U there are two variants (3rd and 4th links) that are very close, one more oriented to transport of people and the other more adapted to transport of cargo.

    We also have another 6x6 APC like variant (5th link) that has not been adopted, and that would be by size fairly redundant with the bumerang. It makes very difficult to see this third variant adopted. And we have one smaller 4x4 variant (6th link) with some recent change, that also has not been adopted, and that seems more oriented to export markets or to internal security forces.

    http://www.military-today.com/apc/kamaz_taifun.htm (Kamaz 63968)
    http://www.military-today.com/apc/ural_taifun.htm (Ural 63095 and(?) Ural 63099)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alabino220415part1-20.jpg (Ural 63095)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ural-63099_armored_vehicle-2012-04.jpg (Ural 63099)
    http://www.military-today.com/apc/kamaz_63969.htm
    http://www.military-today.com/apc/kamaz_53949.htm


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:39 am

    As i read about tayphoon K 4x4 it use Cummins engine, not russian?

    There is no chance it could enter Russian military service with a foreign engine like that.

    You are not understanding the issue. The parameter of engine power for an engine of 450 hp limited to 350 hp is still 450, not 350. If this would be the case, the source would say that the Typhoon 4x4 has a 450 hp engine.

    Over time engines are improved and their engine power is increased.

    The engine power rating of an engine can therefore change up or down... putting a turbo or supercharger on it boosts engine power.

    The engine rating reflects the amount of power it puts out.

    Put a governor on it and the engine power rating is reduced... that is what governors do.

    Put a supercharger on it and the power is increased... that is what superchargers do too.

    Then nothing makes think that it will be Typhoon divisions, like can be standard combat divisions with armata, kurganets, bumerang or BMD-4M based vehicles.

    Entire recon divisions could be created, and I suspect for low intensity conflicts a light wheeled division with high mobility and good fire power and excellent communications and support would be very useful.

    We also have another 6x6 APC like variant (5th link) that has not been adopted, and that would be by size fairly redundant with the bumerang. It makes very difficult to see this third variant adopted. And we have one smaller 4x4 variant (6th link) with some recent change, that also has not been adopted, and that seems more oriented to export markets or to internal security forces.

    I have yet to see a proper revelation of the Typhoon family with a full range of vehicle types... the turrets will be standard so the IFV turret on an Armata and an APC turret on an Armata and a MBT turret should be pretty much the same across the various vehicle families.


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:52 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    As i read about tayphoon K 4x4 it use Cummins engine, not russian?

    There is no chance it could enter Russian military service with a foreign engine like that.
    ..........


    It does use Cummings engine and that is also the reason it never entered service with Russian military.

    It's also the reason why VDV is getting modified and localised version that we posted about recently.

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    Post  eehnie on Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:37 am

    GarryB wrote:
    You are not understanding the issue. The parameter of engine power for an engine of 450 hp limited to 350 hp is still 450, not 350. If this would be the case, the source would say that the Typhoon 4x4 has a 450 hp engine.

    Over time engines are improved and their engine power is increased.

    The engine power rating of an engine can therefore change up or down... putting a turbo or supercharger on it boosts engine power.

    The engine rating reflects the amount of power it puts out.

    Put a governor on it and the engine power rating is reduced... that is what governors do.

    Put a supercharger on it and the power is increased... that is what superchargers do too.

    Again, this is not right, unless you talk about to tamper engines. Something that the Russian Armed Forces obviously will not do.

    The changes in engines that affect to this parameter include changes in the dimenssions of a number of components that lead to have a different engine.

    To include properly a turbo in a engine is only possible if the rest of the engine is designed to resist it. If the engine is designed to have a turbo, the design of the rest of the components is done taking it into account. And if the engine is designed to work without a turbo, the design of the rest of the components is done also taking it into account. An engine for use installed in vehicles, never is designed to include late changes, is designed for an optimized work under determined conditions.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:16 am

    An engine for use installed in vehicles, never is designed to include late changes, is designed for an optimized work under a determined conditions.

    Never?

    So over time as the weight of the vehicle increases or requirements for fuel consumption change they need to develop a whole new engine from scratch?

    It does use Cummings engine and that is also the reason it never entered service with Russian military.

    Interesting sentence... start with something I didn't say and end with something I did.

    I know it has a foreign engine and as I said... it wont enter Russian military service with a foreign engine... they are not the Russian Navy.


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Project Canada on Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:40 pm


    I surely hope the engine for the Typhoon K 4x4 is interchangeable with a Russian made one otherwise I dont see the point in developing these vehicles in the first place if they cant compete with Russian army procurement, unless these vehicles were developed for export

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:08 pm

    GarryB wrote:........

    It does use Cummings engine and that is also the reason it never entered service with Russian military.

    Interesting sentence... start with something I didn't say and end with something I did.

    I know it has a foreign engine and as I said... it wont enter Russian military service with a foreign engine... they are not the Russian Navy.

    Hold your horses there cowboy.  You never said it. You quoted it. See:

    GarryB wrote:
    As i read about tayphoon K 4x4 it use Cummins engine, not russian?

    There is no chance it could enter Russian military service with a foreign engine like that.
    ..........

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t3291p75-typhoon-mrap-family-vechiles#173265


    Next time you quote something don't leave out the name of the guy who you quote. Minimizes the confusion.






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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  franco on Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:08 pm

    New Tigr being tested including with a 30mm cannon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGZvdb1tp3Y


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    Post  eehnie on Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:18 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    An engine for use installed in vehicles, never is designed to include late changes, is designed for an optimized work under a determined conditions.

    Never?

    So over time as the weight of the vehicle increases or requirements for fuel consumption change they need to develop a whole new engine from scratch?

    It does use Cummings engine and that is also the reason it never entered service with Russian military.

    Interesting sentence... start with something I didn't say and end with something I did.

    I know it has a foreign engine and as I said... it wont enter Russian military service with a foreign engine... they are not the Russian Navy.

    Never. This is not something considered. Engines are not modified except by engine tampers, or for experimental use in laboratories. As the maximum engine power is a parameter of the engine, the maximum weight is makerd by other parameter of the vehicle, and both must agree. Sometimes it is possible to replace the engine if it is compatible. Nothing else.

    If you know the Typhoons 4x4 had a not Russian engine, how you said that all the Typhoons have or must have the same engine? Obviously the Typhoons 6x6 have been adopted and have Russian engines.

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:36 am

    If you know the Typhoons 4x4 had a not Russian engine, how you said that all the Typhoons have or must have the same engine? Obviously the Typhoons 6x6 have been adopted and have Russian engines.

    The fact that that vehicle has a foreign engine pretty clearly shows it was never part of the Typhoon family that will be adopted by the Russian Army... or do you think the Sukhoi design bureau will build PAK FAs with US engines too?

    We have not seen the full family of Armata/Kurganets/Boomerang/Typhoon, I fact I have yet to see mention of a definitive member of the Typhoon family that is genuine.

    We have seen lots of MRAPs and trucks and other vehicles called Typhoon, from several vehicle manufacturers... but then we saw the Mi-28A well before we were shown the Ka-50... mainly because the Ka-50 won the competition to enter service so the Mi-28 was revealed to improve its export prospects.

    I suspect it is the same with this Cummins powered vehicle... no chance of domestic service so put it out there and sell it on the export market.

    There is a chance that they might not even develop the light wheeled family of vehicles and just use Boomerang as the lightest army vehicle family and use BMD variants for the VDV because they can be air dropped and have good cross country mobility for the rear areas the VDV is likely to operate in.

    Next time you quote something don't leave out the name of the guy who you quote. Minimizes the confusion.

    If you had been reading the discussion you would know who said it, and the fact that I was quoting makes it clear what I am referring to and at the same time that I did not say it.

    My script blocker disables most of the functions on this forum so I type in my quote Html... I would have thought that was pretty obvious when I misspell qutoe...


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 03, 2016 2:09 pm


    VDV Tyrpoon with the new combat module


    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2076261.html







    will it replace Tigr?



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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:06 am

    Tigr is an MRAP type vehicle, whereas this is probably more suited to proper military unit use.

    In other words the Tigr is a UAV jeep that has been adapted to survive mine damage, whereas this vehicle is more a BRDM-3 designed to operate with armoured vehicles in combat.

    The main difference is that this small vehicle will be a part of a family of vehicles including 4 and 6 wheeled versions with roles from MBT and IFV and APC through to engineer and air defence and artillery and ambulance, as well as EW, and ATGM, and command vehicles... etc etc.


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:08 pm

    Armored Car K63968 "Typhoon-K": successfully passed tests at undermining

    According to our blog Deputy Director for Development JSC "Plant of special vehicles" (SAR, Naberezhnye Chelny) Aleksandr Matveev, armored modular vehicle K63968 "Typhoon-K", made in 2013 the preliminary tests, it has been successfully tested at undermining and shelling.



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2174256.html


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  hoom on Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:04 am

    Couple more pics of the 30mm Typhoon-K from http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2175630.html


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