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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:22 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    The one that are sitting in the open air concentration camp are certainly not to blame. Maybe we should then blame the jews that tried to flee from polish gethos or concentration camps. Because that is an act of aggression by jewish own definition, makes all what poles and nazis did justice by jewish definition?

    You can't really blame the vast majority on both sides for the situation... it is not a black and white situation where you can say this group has all the responsibility and this one does not.

    Force and violence have not worked and will not work.

    Time to stop separation and extreme demands and to look for real solutions that will actually work and make it a place worth living for everyone.

    You will not find any other example as the occupation of Palestine as more black and white than it is. It is very simple, jews wanted Israel, which never existed before except in religious fictions, blame germans, palestinians the whole world, use British to expel and exterminate palestinians from their own land, while actual semitic jews have lived under muslim protection for centuries even through out Christian Crusades and now white Khazar jews are putting the palestinians in concentration camps while they try to resist with the low effort they actually are doing. In fact it is astonishing how little resistance they actually make despite an factual genocide against their kind. Israel spews gall when Palestinians wanted to join the International Criminal Court. There is no more black and white examples through out human history than this.

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  max steel on Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:05 pm

    Knife-Wielding Israeli Settler Attacks Founder of Rabbis for Human Rights

    Israeli Mob lynches Eritrean after bus station attack shot by security guard and beaten by bystanders after deadly shooting in Beersheba

    and Bibi Blaming Palestinians for Holocaust. Tip of the iceberg for netanyahu.


    Israel certainly loosing its PR battle in the 3rd Intifada .

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:18 pm

    yeah sh1t is getting crazy bunch of madmans on both sides now

    doesnt israel have a death sentence, looks like some of this guys need it

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:20 pm

    There is certainly no trail against jews in Israel whenever they kill non jews. Just like they lynched kids around year 2012 before they bombed gaza, on open streets just stoned a kid to death. True terrorist state, no law, no order just open genocide.

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:25 pm

    Werewolf wrote:There is certainly no trail against jews in Israel whenever they kill non jews. Just like they lynched kids around year 2012 before they bombed gaza, on open streets just stoned a kid to death. True terrorist state, no law, no order just open genocide.

    i fucking hope they will get the death sentence, people stabbing random people to death arab or no arab, jew or no jew, this is crazy madman sh1t if you stab someone innocent to death then you are a freak and need to be electrocuted

    a hate spiral is going wild

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:34 am

    With New Units, Israel Moves to Expand Illegal Occupation in East Jerusalem

    Israel’s controversial decision to authorize more than 450 new settlement units in occupied East Jerusalem may be an attempt to get back at Europe for new product labeling guidelines.

    It was announced on Tuesday that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has approved the removal of a freeze on the building and selling of 436 housing units in the Ramat Shlomo settlement in East Jerusalem.

    The major project for expanding housing for Israelis on territories seized during the 1967 Six-Day War was launched back in 2010, but Israel had to put it on hold due to condemnation from the West. Now it seems the Israeli government has gotten over its fears of international criticism, as it gave the frozen project a green light and even added an extra 18 extra units to the Ramot settlement. All 454 units were put on the market on Monday, an official told Agence France-Presse.

    According to Israeli NGO Ir Amim, which opposes settlement construction, the "announcement has only declaratory significance" and no new tenders have followed. However, "procedural steps to advance the plan could be taken at any time," the organization warned.

    So what's behind the announcement while no tenders, or proposals for construction, have even been published? Israel was infuriated by the European Commission's new set of guidelines on marking products made in seized territories in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Golan Heights. According to the regulations, such goods should be labeled as "made in settlements," or even "product from Palestine" for goods produced in the West Bank.

    A statement from the Palestinian Authority condemned the Ramat Shlomo announcement, and Israeli settlements more broadly, as a "flagrant violation of international law" aimed at preventing the establishment of a Palestinian state, Al Jazeera reported.

    Israel occupied East Jerusalem in the 1967 Six-Day War and later annexed the Palestinian territories. The move was never recognized by the international community, and the settlements are considered illegitimate under international law.

    Around 200,000 Israelis currently live in 15 illegal settlements in East Jerusalem alongside a Palestinian population of 310,000.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151119/1030362050/israel-expand-illegal-occupation.html#ixzz3rtQhWs3q


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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Solncepek on Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:39 pm

    Lebanon's Hezbollah TV Reports Attack on Israeli Forces
    Source: AP

    A Lebanese pro-Hezbollah television station is reporting that Israeli troops were struck by a bomb along the border with south Lebanon.

    Al-Manar TV says the explosion went off Monday in the Wazzani area, but gave no further information on whether it caused casualties. The Shiite militant group is known to operate in the area.

    Residents along the border say shelling from Israeli tanks and artillery landed in agricultural areas inside Lebanon, with some 40 shells hitting the disputed areas of Ghajar village and Shebaa Farms. They did not report casualties. The residents requested anonymity, saying they feared for their safety.

    There was no immediate comment from Israeli officials.

    Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/lebanons-hezbollah-tv-reports-attack-israeli-forces-36078787


    #Hezbollah claims IED attack on Israel border patrol as revenge for Samir Kuntar. Expected low-level retaliation, unlikely to expand further

    Update:
    Martyr Samir Kuntar group from Hezbollah used IED to target 2 vehicles in Shebaa, 1 Hummer was destroyed & those in it were wounded"

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    Holocaust denial or not?

    Post  short_fuze on Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:05 pm

    Ultra-Orthodox Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi has declared that fewer than 1 million Jews died in the Holocaust. The remainder were not really Jews. He bases his statement on observed assimilation rates in Europe.

    If a non-Jew said that, there would be shrieks of 'Holocaust denial'. In German, the person would risk arrest.

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.694868

    So is this Holocaust denial or not?


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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Bidoul on Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:23 pm

    That's a trick question... Even today the official count of the jews killed in Auschwitz is something like 900k (it was 4,2 millions in the 60's).

    The numbers were inflated by the soviets and the american propaganda with completely over the top stories as a tool to de-nazify Germany and silence any opposition to a bunch of very questionable decisions (the creation of Israel sure but mostly the whole redrafting of Poland, hundred of kilometers west from where it used to be with the subsequent deportation of millions of Germans from what had essentially been German territory long before even Prussia became a major power let alone Germany, that and the partition and occupation "forever" of Germany)

    The problem is that now people are using the fact that said propaganda is unraveling to pretend that Nazi Germany did nothing wrong... while there is little doubt they did horrible things, but just not in the same scope, which given the scope of WWII and it's at least 50 millions deaths, should not have been given the attention it had/has.

    The fact is today the only thing that remains from the teaching of what happened in WWII is the "holocaust" and the "6 millions"... If it unravels it will be like WWII never happened, and we all know what will happen next.

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Zivo on Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:57 pm

    His number is based on a technicality.

    Orthodox practitioners believe that "jewishness" only comes from the mother's side, based on jewish law. So anyone whose father is jewish, but their mother is not, isn't a "real jew" and doesn't count.

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:32 pm

    The number is based on a religious line from Tanakh.

    "When half the jewish people are doomed god will give the jewish people their promised land" or "When you return with V(6) less".

    At that time about 12 mln jews were the estimations that is where the number comes from. This number of 6 mln murdered jews was started even during 1906-1938 which you can find enough newspapers reporting that from that year and time.



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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:30 pm

    Are we entering the Holocaust denial territory?

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Zivo on Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:46 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Are we entering the Holocaust denial territory?

    If you're referring to this rabbi's comments, I'd say no. This is more about the dispute in the definition of "jewish" that splits orthodox and non-orthodox jews.

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:35 am

    Israel Hits Hamas Training Facility in Retaliation for Missile Fire

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160125/1033653257/israe-hamas-attacks-missiles.html#ixzz3yFdNaVvc


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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:28 am

    @Werewolf: is this the new definition of facist regime ?

    https://www.rt.com/news/333532-israel-abuse-palestinian-detainees/

    ‘Cruel, inhuman and degrading:’ Israel’s systematic abuse of Palestinian detainees exposed by NGOs

    Israel’s domestic security agency systematically abuses Palestinians kept at its Shikma detention facility, two NGOs say, adding that “cruel, inhuman and degrading” treatment is inherent to the interrogation policy and dictated from above.

    Israeli rights groups B’Tselem and HaMoked released a 70-page report on Wednesday detailing abuses taking place between August 2013 and March 2014 at the Shikma interrogation facility, which is run by the Israel Security Agency (ISA, Shin Bet in Hebrew) in Ashkelon, southern Israel. The report was based on the accounts of at least 116 suspects that had been interrogated at the facility.

    It says the conditions at the Shikma facility are “an inherent part of interrogations there: they serve to weaken both mind and body, complementing the actual interrogation of detainees in the interrogation room. The combination of conditions both in and outside the interrogation room constitutes abuse and inhuman, degrading treatment, at times even amounting to torture.

    Systematically implemented, the policy includes violence and degradation during arrest and interrogation; inhuman detention conditions that force detainees to endure crowding and filth; isolation of detainees, subjecting them to extreme sensory, motor, and social deprivation; provision of scant and substandard food; exposure to extremes of heat and cold; prolonged binding to a chair during interrogation, sometimes in exceedingly painful positions; extensive sleep deprivation; threats, swearing, shouting and mocking – and in some cases even direct violence by interrogators,” the report said.

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu May 05, 2016 3:50 pm

    My respect for the man respekt respekt

    https://www.rt.com/news/341940-israel-general-nazi-germany/

    An IDF general has come under fire after his remarks suggested a parallel between Nazi Germany and present day Israel in his Holocaust Remembrance speech. The controversial comments fueled heated discussion among politicians and on social media.

    “Because if there is one thing that is scary in remembering the Holocaust, it is noticing horrific processes which developed in Europe – particularly in Germany – 70, 80, and 90 years ago, and finding remnants of that here among us in the year 2016.”

    Golan called “to uproot the first signs of intolerance, violence, and self-destruction that arise on the path to moral degradation.”

    “There is nothing easier and simpler than fear-mongering and threatening. There is nothing easier and simpler than in behaving like beasts, becoming morally corrupt and sanctimonious.”

    The general also commented on the recent case of Elor Azaria, an IDF soldier who was indicted for manslaughter for fatally shooting a Palestinian attacker who had already been wounded and immobilized, in the West Bank in March.

    Improper use of weapons and violating the sanctity of arms have taken place since the IDF's founding,” he said.

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  GarryB on Sat May 07, 2016 5:23 am

    Well there is a former military man and a religious leader in Israel proving what I said... this is not black and white... not all Israelis like what Israel as a country is doing to the Palestinians and I would suspect quite a few Palestinians want them to do worse so they can get more support and don't have to compromise.

    The majority wont speak out because of the danger and threat to their person from the nutters on both sides, but then there are also likely a lot of people who believe the propaganda from their own side and fear all of the other side and think they want them dead. It is easy to accept torture and cruel treatment of another group if you think that group wants you dead.


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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:03 am

    Tel Aviv should know a saying that "when the invaders arrive, even women will stand up and fight against them".

    And instead of jailing the angered Palestinian youth, Tel Aviv should understand why it is so hated by Palestinians, even by Palestinian children.

    https://www.rt.com/news/354531-israel-imprisonment-palestinian-children/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    Israeli lawmakers have legalized the imprisonment of Palestinian minors as young as 12 in case they are accused of grave crimes such as acts of terrorism against the state of Israel. The so-called Youth Bill has already faced criticism at home and abroad.

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  crod on Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:34 am

    higurashihougi wrote:Tel Aviv should know a saying that "when the invaders arrive, even women will stand up and fight against them".

    And instead of jailing the angered Palestinian youth, Tel Aviv should understand why it is so hated by Palestinians, even by Palestinian children.

    https://www.rt.com/news/354531-israel-imprisonment-palestinian-children/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    Israeli lawmakers have legalized the imprisonment of Palestinian minors as young as 12 in case they are accused of grave crimes such as acts of terrorism against the state of Israel. The so-called Youth Bill has already faced criticism at home and abroad.

    Their race to the bottom is almost complete...

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:06 am

    I will not make any comment since (1) I don't want to be banned because of using vulgar words and (2) even vulgar words are not enough to describe this act of Google.

    https://www.rt.com/sport/355145-womens-individual-saber-final-gold-medal/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    #PalestineIsHere: Online outrage after Google ‘erases’ Palestine off the map

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:30 am

    https://www.rt.com/news/358462-palestine-occupation-economy-un/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    Without Israeli occupation, Palestinian economy would double – UN report

    In a damning report, the UN development body (UNCTAD) described the ways Israeli occupation of Gaza and West Bank has been preventing the Palestinian economy from recovery and getting twice as big as it is now.

    The document detailing the “staggering economic cost” of Israeli occupation was released on Tuesday by the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD).

    “The Palestinian economy would be at least twice as large without Israeli occupation,” the findings reveal.

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  starman on Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:37 pm


    An IDF general has come under fire after his remarks suggested a parallel between Nazi Germany and present day Israel in his Holocaust Remembrance speech.

    I think the parallel will become clearer in coming years. Eventually Israel will implement a final solution on the West Bank. To get additional lebensraum for its expanding population, Israel will to take remaining Palestinian land, in the process killing and driving out the arabs. I consider this likely for two reasons. First Israel is now so far ahead militarily it can now do almost anything without fear of arab states (i.e. those still extant). Second, the pro-Israel bunch remains so powerful in the US Israel again, can act with virtual impunity.





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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:29 pm

    Probably Allahu Akbar Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    https://www.rt.com/news/361764-israel-jet-crash-gaza/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    Israeli fighter jet crashes outside base after striking Gaza, pilot killed – army statement

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:46 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Probably Allahu Akbar Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    https://www.rt.com/news/361764-israel-jet-crash-gaza/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    Israeli fighter jet crashes outside base after striking Gaza, pilot killed – army statement

    Karma.

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    Post  starman on Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:02 pm

    Loss of a squadron deputy commander was even better than loss of the jet. Smile The F-16 hardly tops the line anymore. They don't know how it caught fire...Probably some maintenance issue but I wonder if Hamas has SAs besides ATGMs.

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