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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Monarchist on Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:19 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:Amateur video of the live execution (american style) on the Palestinian woman we've been hearing in the news last weeks


    https://www.rt.com/news/318116-palestinian-woman-execution-video/

    If Serbia did this it would be nuclear bombed and sanctioned within 24 hours, yet if you point out that zionists control the world politics economy, media etc. your an anti-semite. Rolling Eyes
    Second of all the palestinians are nothing better. Look at Syria, they invited them gave them houses and everything, citizenship and yet the stabbed Bashar and Syria in the back. (Yarmouk, Hamas etc.).

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:42 am

    They've been a series of stabbing incidents against Israelis in the past week or so, so I imagine they would be trigger happy

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    Post  Solncepek on Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:21 am

    Israeli jets hit targets in Gaza Strip
    Source: BBC News

    The Israeli military said the targets were Hamas weapon manufacturing facilities, adding that the strikes were in response to two rockets fired from Gaza into southern Israel.

    A woman and her young daughter in a nearby house were killed during the air raid, Palestinian officials said.

    In the West Bank, Israeli police say a Palestinian woman set off a car bomb at a checkpoint.

    She was stopped by police while driving on Sunday morning near the Israeli settlement of Maale Adumim.

    Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34498442

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    Post  Hachimoto on Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:44 am

    Solncepek wrote:Israeli jets hit targets in Gaza Strip
    Source: BBC News

    The Israeli military said the targets were Hamas weapon manufacturing facilities, adding that the strikes were in response to two rockets fired from Gaza into southern Israel.

    A woman and her young daughter in a nearby house were killed during the air raid, Palestinian officials said.

    In the West Bank, Israeli police say a Palestinian woman set off a car bomb at a checkpoint.

    She was stopped by police while driving on Sunday morning near the Israeli settlement of Maale Adumim.

    Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34498442

    Yup western chirurgical weapon's accuracy, a child and a her pregnant mother killed:



    Meanwhile protesters are not holding back :



    IDF agents disguised as Palestinians protesters :


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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Rodinazombie on Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:51 am



    Hopefully its not going to escalate

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    Post  Hachimoto on Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:33 am

    Graphic :


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    Post  Hachimoto on Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:48 am

    The video was deleted by FCB but she got tased and a bullet in left leg, cause some old israeli guy told police they should 'Check' her :


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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:50 am

    1. 3 Jews were killed today
    2. A crowd of Palestinians heading to an israeli checkpoint:

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Kyo on Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:25 pm

    Israel should know by now that it falls under Kaliber's range from the Caspian. Dimona would be a wonderful target.

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    Post  Kyo on Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:54 pm

    Palestinians are being used as cannon fodder by Israel following most recent developments in Middle East.

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    Post  Hachimoto on Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:22 pm

    Daily life ...

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:25 pm


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    Post  Kyo on Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:32 am

    Read somewhere that there are aprox one million Russians living in Israel. Should they have stayed in Russia, they would for sure have set up the RIPAC:
    Russia-Israel Public Affairs Committee.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:51 am

    Kyo wrote:Read somewhere that there are aprox one million Russians living in Israel. Should they have stayed in Russia, they would for sure have set up the RIPAC:
    Russia-Israel Public Affairs Committee.

    Jews, not russians. They do not count themselfs as russians and certainly do not like russians.

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Kyo on Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:09 pm

    'Time to Consider Alternatives to Israeli-Palestinian Two-State Solution'

    NazionalRus (seems like you've been bound to a deafening silence as of lately): Tell 'em its too late now for Russian Jews living in Israel to go back to Russia and set up RIPAC. From Now on Israel is under reach of precision-guided, conventional-warhead Caspian Kalibrs. כִּפַּת בַּרְזֶל and קלע דוד (Iron Dome and David's Sling respectively)) will be of no use, since Kalibrs are low-altitude, high-speed cruise missiles. USS Theodore Rossevelt A/C had to get the hell out of the Persian Gulf before it was too late.

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    Post  Kyo on Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:47 am

    Dear NazionalRus:

    Our beloved Augusto Pinochet is now dead and buried, so he won't come up to 'our' Israel's rescue with his trumpeting 7th Cavalry galloping fast on horseback. By the way, they're building another wall to contain those horrendous Palestinians, as shown by French blog Allain Jules here (I really hope you can read French, can you?). In case you don't, I'll translate some of it for you.
    It will be 1,5km. long and height, 9m. It will cost 4,6 million euros. The impressive idea has come from our rich AIPAC fellas from the US. Palestians are just starting to figure out our really smart strategy that our dearest Israel is in fact inducing violence so as to best isolate them.

    A section of the Arab neighbourhood, with a population of aprox 20.000 will be cut out once the concrete blocks will be installed. A similar provision is being built between the Jabel Mukaber and Zur Baher Arab neighbourhoods and 'our' Armon Hanaziv settlement.

    A spokesperson from 'our' Ministry of Foreign Affairs has called these initiatives as "security measures whose motivations are not political" (sic). As you know, 'our country' stresses that, contrary to UN Resolution over this, Jerusalem is the "eternal and indivisible capital of our country". Both the criminal enemies (Palestinians) and the despicable UN have the terrible purport of laying down East Jerusalem as the capital for a trully Palestinian state. Isn't that horrible?

    So, what are 'we' gonna do? I sincerely expect you'll find the most brilliant answer, as you always do.

    Love,

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    Post  Kyo on Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:53 pm

    Tear Gas Used as Palestinians, IDF Clash in West Bank Amid Spiking Violence

    The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) has deployed tear gas against Palestinian demonstrators who had been throwing stones in the West Bank city of Ramallah. This month has seen about 10 Israelis and over 40 Palestinians killed in amid escalating tensions.
    RT correspondent Paula Slier and her crew filmed a group of Palestinian stone-throwers who were forced to retreat by IDF soldiers in Ramallah. Slier had to don a gas mask as the Israeli troops used tear gas against the Palestinians.

    “I have a gas mask on because they [IDF soldiers] have been firing tear gas,” Paula Slier said sitting behind the Palestinian barricades in Ramallah on Tuesday.

    The wave of violence has erupted in the three weeks following a fresh dispute over the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, which is located on the Temple Mount and is considered a major holy site by both Islam and Judaism. Protests, attacks, and clashes have been occurring every day – Tuesday alone witnessed at least four such incidents.

    Two Palestinians were shot dead after an attempted stabbing near the West Bank settlement of Kiryat Arba, next to Hebron. One IDF soldier received a slight head wound in the attack. Palestinians started to fire tires nearby after the incident.

    About 10 Israelis and over 40 Palestinians have been killed in the escalation in violence, mostly in stabbing attacks and protests. Many of those killed have been Palestinian assailants who had attacked Israelis with knives, cars, or guns. On Sunday Israeli police mistakenly shot an Eritrean asylum seeker who was taken for a terrorist. The migrant was beaten by bystanders after being shot and later died in the hospital.

    Following the incident, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on Israelis not to resort to vigilantism.

    “Someone who witnesses an attack needs to leave the scene and allow security and rescue forces to work,” Netanyahu said on Tuesday. “We’re a nation of laws. No one may take the law into their hands. That is the first rule.”

    In response to attacks, Israeli authorities set up a concrete barrier between a Jewish and an Arab neighborhood in east Jerusalem, claiming it was meant to prevent rocks and firebombs from being hurled from the Arab side. A week ago Israeli police were also authorized to impose “a closure on, or to surround, centers of friction and incitement in Jerusalem, in accordance with security considerations.” The army is being used to support police actions.

    Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad Malki said that UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon would visit Israel and the Palestinian territories on Tuesday in a surprise trip to meet with both sides of the ongoing conflict.

    “I know your hopes for peace have been dashed countless times. You are angry at the continued occupation and expansion of settlements. I am not asking you to be passive, but you must put down the weapons of despair,” Ban Ki-moon said to Palestinians in a video address on Monday, as cited by Fox news.

    “When children are afraid to go to school, when anyone on the street is a potential victim, security is rightly your immediate priority. But walls, checkpoints, harsh responses by the security forces and house demolitions cannot sustain the peace and safety that you need and must have,” he told Israelis.

    NazionalRus: What about your whereabouts as of late, hein? Oh dearie! Miss you lots! I've got a suggestion: How about setting up an NGO, you might call it "NGO of the Missing Dead" in honour for all the Russian Jews that fled to Israel, will have to endure those horrendous Palestinians, and won't make it back to Russia. It's too late now. It could be funded by either Mossad or Shin Bet or whatever through, you know, מִשְׂרַד הַחוּץ, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. AIPAC funding could be thought of too if you want, but they are already committed in financing the wall in Jerusalem, so probably they won't have enough cash. Ban Ki Moon should be warned that it is Israelis that "must put down the weapons of despair", don't you think?

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:55 am

    Everyone here seems convinced that it is all the fault of the Jewish people.

    Personally I see both sides suffering... the Jewish elite are in control and build walls and send war planes and shut areas off from outside contact, but the little people are the ones that suffer. and that includes jews and arabs and other groups.

    the sad thing is that extremists on both sides are calling the shots either directly or indirectly.

    Calls by the government of israel that any attack will stop peace talks puts power in the hands of any nutter on either side who does not want to make concessions and would rather things stay in chaos rather than have to give up anything.

    There is a saying... an eye for an eye and soon everyone is blind... confuse revenge for justice and you end up with nothing good.


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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Kyo on Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:17 pm

    GarryB wrote:Everyone here seems convinced that it is all the fault of the Jewish people.

    Personally I see both sides suffering... the Jewish elite are in control and build walls and send war planes and shut areas off from outside contact, but the little people are the ones that suffer. and that includes jews and arabs and other groups.

    the sad thing is that extremists on both sides are calling the shots either directly or indirectly.

    Calls by the government of israel that any attack will stop peace talks puts power in the hands of any nutter on either side who does not want to make concessions and would rather things stay in chaos rather than have to give up anything.

    There is a saying... an eye for an eye and soon everyone is blind... confuse revenge for justice and you end up with nothing good.
    40 years ago I had to flee from Pinochet and his goons and became a Brazilian citizen. This criminal imposed a neoliberal economic policy in Chile, with the help of notorious Zionist/US economist Milton Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" which, for almost 2 decades, ruined Chile's economy. There's a myth widely spread by Western propaganda about Chilean prosperity under Pinochet. I'm a graduate on Economics, so I'm perfectly capable of getting the whole picture.
    NazionalRus' claims of neoliberal prosperity are solely due to the fact that the father of this ideology was Friedman, a consultant for Pinochet, Menachem Begin and Reagan. NazionalRus' Pinochet quotes are utterly pathetic.
    I really hope this will elucidate the motives for some of my recent posts.

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:32 pm

    GarryB wrote:Everyone here seems convinced that it is all the fault of the Jewish people.

    Personally I see both sides suffering... the Jewish elite are in control and build walls and send war planes and shut areas off from outside contact, but the little people are the ones that suffer. and that includes jews and arabs and other groups.

    the sad thing is that extremists on both sides are calling the shots either directly or indirectly.

    Calls by the government of israel that any attack will stop peace talks puts power in the hands of any nutter on either side who does not want to make concessions and would rather things stay in chaos rather than have to give up anything.

    There is a saying... an eye for an eye and soon everyone is blind... confuse revenge for justice and you end up with nothing good.

    The one that are sitting in the open air concentration camp are certainly not to blame. Maybe we should then blame the jews that tried to flee from polish gethos or concentration camps. Because that is an act of aggression by jewish own definition, makes all what poles and nazis did justice by jewish definition?

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:43 pm

    Kyo wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Everyone here seems convinced that it is all the fault of the Jewish people.

    Personally I see both sides suffering... the Jewish elite are in control and build walls and send war planes and shut areas off from outside contact, but the little people are the ones that suffer. and that includes jews and arabs and other groups.

    the sad thing is that extremists on both sides are calling the shots either directly or indirectly.

    Calls by the government of israel that any attack will stop peace talks puts power in the hands of any nutter on either side who does not want to make concessions and would rather things stay in chaos rather than have to give up anything.

    There is a saying... an eye for an eye and soon everyone is blind... confuse revenge for justice and you end up with nothing good.
    40 years ago I had to flee from Pinochet and his goons and became a Brazilian citizen. This criminal imposed a neoliberal economic policy in Chile, with the help of notorious Zionist/US economist Milton Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" which, for almost 2 decades, ruined Chile's economy. There's a myth widely spread by Western propaganda about Chilean prosperity under Pinochet. I'm a graduate on Economics, so I'm perfectly capable of getting the whole picture.
    NazionalRus' claims of neoliberal prosperity are solely due to the fact that the father of this ideology was Friedman, a consultant for Pinochet, Menachem Begin and Reagan. NazionalRus' Pinochet quotes are utterly pathetic.
    I really hope this will elucidate the motives for some of my recent posts.

    Well, Pinochet's track record is quite low but try to compare this with the commies or leftists the world over and he still looks like a champ! Cool

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    Post  victor1985 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:55 pm

    Every government has its own signature. Is not easy to say what is worse left or right dictator. That is also because some of them were downed by some exterior intervention. To say what is best left or right takes a whole discussion in which arguments are throwned by both sides. It implies sociological psyhological and economic growth analises of both theories

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Kyo on Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:27 pm

    You really don't know what you're talking about. Pinochet simply bombed the Presidential Palace, attacked it with tanks and murdered democratically elected President Salvador Allende, shamelessly declaring afterwards that he commited suicide. That's even worse than the Ukrainian coup.
    He had dozens of Gitmos, including the main national sports stadium, where he tortured and murdered political prisoners. Literally thousands of victims are up till today reported as missing, in a country that had a population of only 10 million. He even made up a kill-list of political opponents that he attacked by means of internal chemical warfare. He assassinated centre-wing former President Eduardo Frei in a hospital while having an hernia surgical operation by murderous physicians.
    It's not a question of right or left wing. It's a question of decency and Pinochet, joining Hitler and Mussolini, was the utmost personification of indecency. Not only Chile was transformed into a caricature of a banana republic, but also lost its historical record of decades of a peaceful and democratic nation.


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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  Kyo on Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:39 am

    Back on track: as each day goes by, Netanyahu increasingly resembles Charlie Chaplin's 'The Tramp'.

    Netanyahu Under Fire After Accusing Palestinian Grand Mufti of Inciting Holocaust

    Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has come under fire for accusing the World War II Palestinian grand mufti of convincing Adolf Hitler to exterminate the Jews. The bold claim has been deemed incorrect by historians and Israeli opposition leaders.

    Speaking to the Zionist Congress on Tuesday, Netanyahu spoke of a series of attacks by Muslims against Jews in Palestine during the 1920s, stating that those assaults were instigated by Haj Amin al-Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem at that time.

    Al-Husseini flew to meet Adolf Hitler in Berlin in 1941, and that meeting was instrumental in the Nazi leader's decision to launch a campaign to exterminate Jews, Netanyahu said in his speech.

    "Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.'”

    Netanyahu then alleged that Hitler asked what he should do with the Jews – to which al-Husseini replied: “Burn them.”

    The comments immediately received a backlash from opposition politicians and Holocaust experts, who accused Netanyahu of twisting historical facts.

    Palestinian officials said Netanyahu appeared to be absolving Hitler of his crimes in order to blame Muslims.

    "It is a sad day in history when the leader of the Israeli government hates his neighbor so much that he is willing to absolve the most notorious war criminal in history, Adolf Hitler, of the murder of 6 million Jews," said Saeb Erekat, the Palestine Liberation Organization's secretary general, as quoted by Reuters.

    He added that Netanyahu “should stop using this human tragedy to score points for his political end.”

    But the criticism didn't just come from the Palestinian side. Even Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said that Netanyahu's claims were incorrect.

    "It certainly wasn't [Husseini] who invented the Final Solution," Yaalon told Israel's Army Radio. "That was the evil brainchild of Hitler himself."

    Zionist Union MP Itzik Shmuli called on Netanyahu to apologize to Holocaust victims.

    “This isn’t the first time Netanyahu distorts historical facts, but a lie of this magnitude is the first,” Shmuli said, as quoted by the Guardian.

    Social media was also awash with criticism for Netanyahu.

    “I can’t say it’s surprising. It’s obviously not a mistake. Netanyahu has a history of inflammatory statements,” Robert Naiman, policy director at the Just Foreign Policy think tank, told RT. “People expect different behavior from government officials,” he added.

    The claim, which the Israeli leader also made in 2012, was used to illustrate what Netanyahu says is the Palestinian history of using holy sites in Jerusalem to incite violence against Jews.

    It is not known which sources Netanyahu used for his speech. A 1947 book ‘The Mufti of Jerusalem’ and a newspaper report at the time said a former Hitler deputy had testified at the Nuremberg war crimes trials that al-Husseini had plotted with the Nazi leader to rid Europe of Jews.

    Al-Husseini was sought for war crimes but never appeared at the Nuremberg trials. He later died in Cairo.

    Netanyahu's Tuesday comments come just days after Israeli Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz accused Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas of “Nazi-like incitement,” saying he is the “number one inciter in the world against Israel and the Jewish people.”

    It comes amid increased tensions between the two sides. Ten Israelis have been killed in recent wave of stabbing attacks by Palestinians. In that same time period, 46 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire.

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    Re: Israeli–Palestinian conflict:

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:46 am

    The one that are sitting in the open air concentration camp are certainly not to blame. Maybe we should then blame the jews that tried to flee from polish gethos or concentration camps. Because that is an act of aggression by jewish own definition, makes all what poles and nazis did justice by jewish definition?

    You can't really blame the vast majority on both sides for the situation... it is not a black and white situation where you can say this group has all the responsibility and this one does not.

    Force and violence have not worked and will not work.

    Time to stop separation and extreme demands and to look for real solutions that will actually work and make it a place worth living for everyone.


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