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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:03 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Georgian..


    Territory does not belong to political parties. It belongs to the citizens that live legally there.
    The Ultra Right Wing parties ,that are now in Government Top positions ,they are a minority and the only reason
    they are in power is because they received the help to overthrow a democratically elected Government by your lovely USA.  So the self elected Kiev Junta ,that took power through violence and terrorism.. and created mock up elections with only Pro EU factions being allowed to participate . Does not represent all the Ukrainian people.


    The kiev junta in power ,only represent the most radical pro EU factions. in Ukraine. Not the entire Nation.Not even represent the neutral Ukrainians ,that neither hate or glorify Russia.  Pro Russia ukrainian or at least that are neutral to Russia ,managed to win democratically in Ukraine in the last real Ukrainian elections they had. So kiev with Poroshenko do not represent the will of all Ukrainians but only the will of the most radicals
    Pro EU factions of the city of LVOV. This is why most of the Ukraine army is recruited from the west of Ukraine..because from any other part they defect to Russia.  

    All said.. The territory of Ukraine Does NOT belong to political parties.. even less if they siege power illegally in a coup. The territory of Ukraine belong to the very same legal citizens that live there. So the Donetsk and Lugansk regions , have the Dam Right to demand their Independence if the new Government no longer listen them ,or represent them.. and instead send nazis to kill and burn alive them. The Donetsk and Lugansk Regions have the legitimate rights to demand their Independence.. after everything else failed and kiev see them as Terrorist just for supporting a closer union with Russia.

    Is an Irony that you talk about territorial integrity and all that bullshit ,when Ukraine was created by Separatist too. So it was good and perfectly legal for them to split from Russia after Soviet Union economy went bankrupt (as Ukraine is now) ? but now Crimea ,Donetsk and Lugansk do the same is terrorism? LOLOLOL

    It was legal for Georgia to split from Russia.. but now is illegal for Abkhazia and south Ossetia to do the same?
    Again dude.. Human beings have the god dam right to fight for a better future. this is perfectly legal and legitimate.
    unless you consider that is "Right" for ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine to wait for kiev to start the ethnic cleansing . Since not even their language is recognized.  And territory does not belong to political parties that represent only one part of the population but to the civilians that live there.  Now in the case of Chechenia is a totally different thing. that was pure terrorism . Jihadist extremist and Alqaeda.. armed with suicide bomber belts ,demanding Russia to leave Chechenia. All those Islamic extremist are only good when killed, they do not belong to this world and there should be zero tolerance and negotiation with them.

    Simply what made Ukraine to lose Crimea was not Russia.. it was their terror and illegitimate coup.
    The Euromaidanuts you support ,do not respect any democracy and this is like their Third Coup in Ukraine.
    They participate in elections but if they dont win then they remove him by force? Simply Crimeas told Enough is enough.. and they do have the legitimate rights to desire a better future away of Kiev. Because they see that under a puppet government controlled by NATO who wants to destroy RUssia ,they have no future.  

    So i see nothing wrong in what Russia did in Crimea.. it was the right thing. people there are happy and no one is bombing them. Territory exist for people happiness. Not to please the egos of Political Parties .  IF tomorrow Siberia
    civilians thet overwhelming majority  90%+ choose peacefully to split from Russia and without any interference from the outside of any nation buying their support with money and lies and organizing everything (as NATO did in Kiev). I will support it. Because as i told you.. Territorial lines are not written in Stone by any Olympiad greek GOD. They are simply the result at least in modern times ,of the wishes of people. in the past however .there was no Laws ,no international community. and only way to get land was fighting for it.

    +1 Will upvote when i can.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  arpakola on Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:36 pm

    http://rt.com/news/176120-fake-ukraine-images-defence/
    'Fake': Russian Defence Min rebuffs US sat image claims

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    http://www.globalresearch.ca/kiev-source-ukraine-accidentally-shot-down-mh17-during-exercises/5393441

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:37 pm

    arpakola wrote:http://www.kontrtube.ru/videos/3438/unichtojenie-samoleta-karateley/


    arpakola,

    Do you know the time and the location?

    Is it Donbass, but when?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:08 pm

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742536

    Seems US wants to give Ukraine non NATO ally status. LOL. So US wants to go in and try to fix their mess?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:21 pm

    sepheronx wrote:http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742536

    Seems US wants to give Ukraine non NATO ally status. LOL. So US wants to go in and try to fix their mess?

    This is a very stupid decision of the US, do they want war with Russia or something?

    I mean serious?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:21 pm

    sepheronx wrote:http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742536

    Seems US wants to give Ukraine non NATO ally status. LOL. So US wants to go in and try to fix their mess?

    You are really good at getting worked up about any non-news item.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:24 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742536

    Seems US wants to give Ukraine non NATO ally status. LOL. So US wants to go in and try to fix their mess?

    You are really good at getting worked up about any non-news item.

    Possibly none news. Lets wait and see. But so far, US is having trouble obtaining evidence of Russias involvement, then this? Maybe they will use it as an excuse to send lethal aid to Ukraine army?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:29 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742536

    Seems US wants to give Ukraine non NATO ally status. LOL. So US wants to go in and try to fix their mess?

    You are really good at getting worked up about any non-news item.

    Possibly none news. Lets wait and see. But so far, US is having trouble obtaining evidence of Russias involvement, then this? Maybe they will use it as an excuse to send lethal aid to Ukraine army?

    But this story is similar to the the disinformation that Flyingdutchman was propagating yesterday about Netherlands and Australia.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:31 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742536

    Seems US wants to give Ukraine non NATO ally status. LOL. So US wants to go in and try to fix their mess?

    You are really good at getting worked up about any non-news item.

    Possibly none news. Lets wait and see. But so far, US is having trouble obtaining evidence of Russias involvement, then this? Maybe they will use it as an excuse to send lethal aid to Ukraine army?

    But this story is similar to the the disinformation that Flyingdutchman was propagating yesterday about Netherlands and Australia.

    Sure…

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:35 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742536

    Seems US wants to give Ukraine non NATO ally status. LOL. So US wants to go in and try to fix their mess?

    You are really good at getting worked up about any non-news item.

    Possibly none news. Lets wait and see. But so far, US is having trouble obtaining evidence of Russias involvement, then this? Maybe they will use it as an excuse to send lethal aid to Ukraine army?

    But this story is similar to the the disinformation that Flyingdutchman was propagating yesterday about Netherlands and Australia.

    Sure…

    Flyingdutchman,

    You pretend that you haven't read my last post directed to you?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  arpakola on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:39 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    arpakola wrote:http://www.kontrtube.ru/videos/3438/unichtojenie-samoleta-karateley/


    arpakola,

    Do you know the time and the location?

    Is it Donbass, but when?

    No I dont , but seems is an other video of the downed an-26

    was hit after the 1st attempt  that escaped using flares..
    2nd time didnt make it..
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    comandate Yiatseniuk..  lol1 
    (look at that amazing guy .. he holds it from the tripod ..!)



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:41 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742536

    Seems US wants to give Ukraine non NATO ally status. LOL. So US wants to go in and try to fix their mess?

    You are really good at getting worked up about any non-news item.

    Possibly none news. Lets wait and see. But so far, US is having trouble obtaining evidence of Russias involvement, then this? Maybe they will use it as an excuse to send lethal aid to Ukraine army?

    But this story is similar to the the disinformation that Flyingdutchman was propagating yesterday about Netherlands and Australia.

    Sure…

    Flyingdutchman,

    You pretend that you haven't read my last post directed to you?


    Could be i didnt read it, what post?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:42 pm

    arpakola wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    arpakola wrote:http://www.kontrtube.ru/videos/3438/unichtojenie-samoleta-karateley/


    arpakola,

    Do you know the time and the location?

    Is it Donbass, but when?

    No I dont , but seems is an other video of the downed an-26

    was hit after the 1st attempt  that escaped using flares..
    2nd time didnt make it..

    It seems that the second time two missiles hit it.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:44 pm

    That those ukrainians keep flying Is just so stupid...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:50 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:That those ukrainians keep flying Is just so stupid...

    This maybe one of there last aircraft, if not the last.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:04 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:That those ukrainians keep flying Is just so stupid...

    This maybe one of there last aircraft, if not the last.

    Well they had 19 an-26 before the war, i dont know how much an-26 are taken down?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:07 pm

    Wow ukraine is having pretty Much mig-29s but how many are taken by Russia in Crimea?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:14 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:That those ukrainians keep flying Is just so stupid...

    This maybe one of there last aircraft, if not the last.

    Well they had 19 an-26 before the war, i dont know how much an-26 are taken down?

    Of course, the number they have lost would be much more than what they have admitted to, but there is also attrition due to the lack of proper maintenance and due to the wear and tear.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:19 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:That those ukrainians keep flying Is just so stupid...

    This maybe one of there last aircraft, if not the last.

    Well they had 19 an-26 before the war, i dont know how much an-26 are taken down?

    Of course, the number they have lost would be much more than what they have admitted to, but there is also attrition due to the lack of proper maintenance and due to the wear and tear.

    Thats true so i gues there logistical part of the airforce is maybe having 6-9 operational aircraft.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  arpakola on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:28 pm

    http://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/10556888_1441705529436727_7493829396044660367_o.jpg

    Graphic .. but no other way to demonstrate the horror of the fascist of Kiev.


    Yes, graphic, so it should have been posted as a link with the warning that the photo linked includes photos of a dead girl and that you should be aware of this before you click on the link.

    In future, if you post pictures or videos as videos or photos instead of as links giving members here the choice to see or not see the media then you and I will have a problem.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  TR1 on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:33 pm

    What a retarded caption.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Austin on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:46 pm



    Graphic .. but no other way to demonstrate the horror of the fascist of Kiev

    Sad RIP !

    A clear warning to other members that quoting objectionable material from another member can lead to problems too...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:47 pm

    In orders of Brack Obama and on the behalf of the american people?? Question 

    Uhhhmmm... OK


    But can someone provide me Some info About ukrainian mig-29ks?
    How Much did Russia take in Crimea?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

    Post  arpakola on Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:25 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:In orders of Brack Obama and on the behalf of the american people?? Question 

    Uhhhmmm... OK


    But can someone provide me Some info About ukrainian mig-29ks?
    How Much did Russia take in Crimea?

    In orders of Brack Obama for sure

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