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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:55 am

    Swede55 wrote:Even Russians don't want to join the Russian army, so why would a foreigner?  If you want an adventure, go work in the Bakken oilfield or go fishing in Alaska, at least they will pay you.

    Last time I read something regarding pay, Russian armed forces in contract works out about over $1000 a month, after everything is said and done, and bonus depending which region you are.  Flaming Python would know as he served.  I imagine the higher and longer you stay, the more money you make.  Add in the fact that they pay for your food and housing, that is a bonus.  In the end though, it really isn't supposed to be a career unless you are working your way up or to help protect your country.

    here is what I found:

    http://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/analyses/2012-02-01/a-significant-pay-increase-russian-army
    On 25 January, Russian military received their first salaries under the new payment system. The changes cover about 350,000 professional officers and NCOs, as well as privates on contract service. All ranks have received substantial increases, of the order of two and a half times their current salaries. In the cases of personnel serving in harsh climates or in areas of conflict, as well as those serving in positions requiring specialist knowledge, the increase in wages was even higher – up to three times the current salary. A contract soldier currently receives approximately US$1000 a month, a junior officer (company commander) US$2000, and his counterpart serving on a nuclear submarine gets US$3000, the same as a senior officer (rank of colonel) commanding a missile regiment. The lowest salaries for senior officers commanding battalions will run to around US$2500 after the changes.

    If this is the case, then I would be jumping for joy. That is more money than I make here in Canada a month (well, at least what a junior officer makes on a submarine). It may not be a whole lot if the wives back at the military towns cannot find a job. Which in that case, military towns should be more lenient on private businesses. That said, the pay rate is not bad at all. But, of course, people dodge it to go to school (which they can bypass military service by being in school) and after that, can land them a job working for more money for some private business. School is free in Russia, or near free. So you do not have to worry about student loans to screw you like here in Canada or US. And so many in the states join the army to bypass all those troubles, plus they send you to school in US and CAD military on their dime. So a lot of not well to do families can see the benefits in that. In Russia, many are seeing these increases definitely good, especially those people who grew up in poor villages and who were not the best educated either. This job in the army is something they can do, and can get the education they need without the need of the entrance exam.
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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:44 pm

    Even Russians don't want to join the Russian army, so why would a foreigner? If you want an adventure, go work in the Bakken oilfield or go fishing in Alaska, at least they will pay you.

    If you want adventure join the US Army... they need more bodies to send to places all round the world that mean nothing to the defence of the US, but keep that 1% of rich people in the US very rich...


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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  Mike E on Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Even Russians don't want to join the Russian army, so why would a foreigner?  If you want an adventure, go work in the Bakken oilfield or go fishing in Alaska, at least they will pay you.

    If you want adventure join the US Army... they need more bodies to send to places all round the world that mean nothing to the defence of the US, but keep that 1% of rich people in the US very rich...

    Yeah, a brother of mine was an AF photographer, and luckily that is the easiest "job" in the US forces!

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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  Asf on Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:00 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Even Russians don't want to join the Russian army, so why would a foreigner?  If you want an adventure, go work in the Bakken oilfield or go fishing in Alaska, at least they will pay you.

    If you want adventure join the US Army... they need more bodies to send to places all round the world that mean nothing to the defence of the US, but keep that 1% of rich people in the US very rich...
    That's not bad employment, there is porn for US soldiers even in occupied cities! I saw it in 'Gunnery Palace'. What else might you need? And if things got uglу there is always an air support to make your job for you by bombing another weddiing ceremony, as it always hard to find personel willing to fight muslim savages fair.
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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  Mike E on Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:21 pm

    Asf wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Even Russians don't want to join the Russian army, so why would a foreigner?  If you want an adventure, go work in the Bakken oilfield or go fishing in Alaska, at least they will pay you.

    If you want adventure join the US Army... they need more bodies to send to places all round the world that mean nothing to the defence of the US, but keep that 1% of rich people in the US very rich...
    That's not bad employment, there is porn for US soldiers even in occupied cities! I saw it in 'Gunnery Palace'. What else might you need? And if things got uglу there is always an air support to make your job for you by bombing another weddiing ceremony, as it always hard to find personel willing to fight muslim savages fair.
    lol!

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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  j.mac on Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:35 am

    Does anyone know, if you get rejected by the russian army are you still eligible for the navy?
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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:23 pm

    Interesting....

    Chechen conscripts begin to be drafted into Russian army first time since 1990s
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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:21 pm

    Nationalists want Defense Ministry to create Russia’s own ‘Foreign Legion’
    Published time: November 10, 2014 12:27
    RIA Novosti/Vitaliy Ankov

    A Liberal Democratic Party lawmaker is proposing creating military units manned exclusively by foreigners to counter the threat from radical groups such as Islamic State in Central Asia.

    MP Roman Khudyakov has requested the Defense Ministry and the Russia-led military bloc CSTO look into having within the Russian military a unit he likens to the French Foreign Legion.

    “In the Foreign Legion they have contract soldiers from 136 nations and not a single French citizen has to die in a war. Why should our soldiers die? One way or another we must answer the modern day challenges – be it global security or the threat of terrorism,” Khudyakov said in an interview with Izvestia daily.

    He said recent threats against Russia by the Islamic State group were very real and if the authorities wanted to stop the terrorists it was better to do this outside Russia’s borders and without direct participation of Russian troops.

    “The legion could be manned by Tajiks and Uzbeks with commanders and instructors being career military officers from Russia. We are already doing this in Tajikistan because all their cadets are studying in Russian military schools. We have sufficient experience and resources,” the lawmaker added.

    According to Khudyakov the project will not be expensive as even in the French Foreign Legion the monthly salary of a private soldier is less than €1000. Russian “foreign legionnaires” could receive the same allowance as Russian contract servicemen with an additional bonus of Russian citizenship after 6 years, the lawmaker suggests.

    The sponsor of the plan also emphasized its urgency in times of the “hybrid warfare” conducted by the USA.

    “The United States’ actions are full of insolence and lack any principles. They send private military companies in places where they cannot officially send their military. Wars are being waged and their government appears to have nothing to do with them. In such conditions we must act tougher and play by their rules,” the parliamentarian told the press.

    Foreign citizens are accepted in the Russian military as contract servicemen, only if they have a Russian residence permit. Candidates must be between 18 and 30 years of age, have a secondary education and successfully pass a Russian language test. The 201st Infantry Division permanently stationed in Tajikistan is largely manned by Tajik citizens under a special agreement.

    Russian lawmakers have wanted to attract more foreigners to the military by promising them citizenship after their contract term is over, but the suggestion has not yet been presented as draft legislation.
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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:33 pm

    Smells like some 5th columnist think tank work.

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    Post  Asf on Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:00 am

    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4521/94845085.7e/0_6beb8_1a1b3b69_XL.jpg

    It's about only 170 foreigners currently serving in the Russian Army. All from the ex-USSR.

    The main reason IMHO is the language - even "-stan" citizens not always speak good enough to make up their minds to leave in russian-speaking community. It's lik an additional hardship for the job hard enough already
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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:20 am

    Asf wrote:
    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4521/94845085.7e/0_6beb8_1a1b3b69_XL.jpg

    It's about only 170 foreigners currently serving  in the Russian Army. All from the ex-USSR.

    The main reason IMHO is the language - even "-stan" citizens not always speak good enough to make up their minds to leave in russian-speaking community. It's lik an additional hardship for the job hard enough already

    Citizens from Asian ex-soviet republics, Belorussians, Armenians, Ukraine Russians and even Serbians could join a possible Russian foreign legion army

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    Post  Asf on Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:25 am

    j.mac wrote:Does anyone know, if you get rejected by the russian army are you still eligible for the navy?

    Sorry, missed your post.

    What do you mean by reject? Health problems or bad shape? It depends greatly on the branch of service you want to join not the army or navy. Say, if you are unfit for VDV, most likely you won't be good enough for naval infantry. But if you was rejected from serving, say, a special purpose recon unit you can be fit to serve as a regular tankman or seaman. There are different categories, you know.
    If you are physically fit for the service and have no other legal problems, you can even try to join different similar units in one branch as far as I know. It's because of centralized nature of military commissariats (MoD's offices which are in charge of personel issues). SO, if you was found you unfit for some kind (say, using drugs) you aren't allowed to join any of the Army or Navy. But, on the other hand, it seems like you can try another commissariat if you get rejected in one - as long as you aren't a russian citizen (as you aren't supposed to have a file and so commissariats aren't suppose to exchange information about you) - but it's only my guess-work.

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    Post  Asf on Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:26 am

    Citizens from Asian ex-soviet republics, Belorussians, Armenians, Ukraine Russians and even Serbians could join a possible Russian foreign legion army
    They can join the Army now - why they don't do that? No kepi blanc? Very Happy

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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  j.mac on Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:59 am

    Asf wrote:
    j.mac wrote:Does anyone know, if you get rejected by the russian army are you still eligible for the navy?

    Sorry, missed your post.

    What do you mean by reject? Health problems or bad shape? It depends greatly on the branch of service you want to join not the army or navy. Say, if you are unfit for VDV, most likely you won't be good enough for naval infantry. But if you was rejected from serving, say, a special purpose recon unit you can be fit to serve as a regular tankman or seaman. There are different categories, you know.
    If you are physically fit for the service and have no other legal problems, you can even try to join different similar units in one branch as far as I know. It's because of centralized nature of military commissariats (MoD's offices which are in charge of personel issues). SO, if you was found you unfit for some kind (say, using drugs) you aren't allowed to join any of the Army or Navy. But, on the other hand, it seems like you can try another commissariat if you get rejected in one - as long as you aren't a russian citizen (as you aren't supposed to have a file and so commissariats aren't suppose to exchange information about you) - but it's only my guess-work.

    Thank you, and well if i were to be rejected it would be because of my back, it's not a problem as i've never had back pain and my spine curves very mildly. According to some people on this forum they don't even remember the medical doctors checking the back for my issue.
    That foreign legion article seems very good, I think russia would benefit from a legion, expendable troops they can send out to a war zone, no questions asked just follow orders and get the job done without having to spill one drop of russian blood. However I think they should recruit everyone, not just people from ex soviet countries otherwise it wouldn't be much of a foreign legion, but thats just my opinion Wink
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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:08 am

    First ethnic Chechen recruits after 1992

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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:33 am

    When did Dennis Quaid join the Russian army?
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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  TR1 on Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:37 am

    That's an epic photo.


    Those Chechens don't even look that Chechen in the photo.
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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:57 pm

    j.mac wrote:Does anyone know, if you get rejected by the russian army are you still eligible for the navy?

    No

    TR1 wrote:That's an epic photo.

    Those Chechens don't even look that Chechen in the photo.

    You try finding me some Slavic Russians with that huge nose & eternal 5 o'clock shadow beard combo What a Face

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    Joining the russian military or gru and the possibility of suffering dedovshchina

    Post  mx109 on Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:09 am

    so im considering the possibility of Joining the russian military or gru  and but im wondering what is the possibility of  suffering dedovshchina im an american high school senior son of immigrants disenchanted with the usa
    What are my chances i just need more information
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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  Regular on Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:57 pm

    mx109 wrote:so im considering the possibility of Joining the russian military or gru  and but im wondering what is the possibility of  suffering dedovshchina im an american high school senior son of immigrants disenchanted with the usa
    What are my chances i just need more information
    Lurk more.
    Chances of dedovschina in GRU is almost as slim as Your chances joining them. Its not that they are desperate for fresh greenhorns. If You afraid of dedovschina do some physical combat training, mma preferably. Good luck
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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  Kyo on Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:48 pm

    President Putin has signed a decree which lets foreign citizens serve in the Russian army as contractors.

    http://rt.com/news/219563-putin-army-foreigners-contractors/

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    Post  mx109 on Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:57 pm

    This came up the other day as i was talking to someone dedovoschina is it prevelant anymore and also training and as far as corruption how bad considering i didn't know to respond
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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:25 pm

    mx109 wrote:This came up the other day as i was talking to someone dedovoschina  is it prevelant anymore and also training and as far as corruption how bad considering i didn't know to respond

    This has been asked so many times already.... there should be another thread about this.

    Does dedovoschina exist still? From what I heard, a little bit. Some groups still have them. But you get this in US and British army as well (and Canadian Airborn when we still had them, they got disbanded for how horrific they can be). For contract soldiers I heard it is pretty much none existent since everyone that is a contract soldier is clearly there for making money and doing their job.

    Flaming python was a conscript. He mentioned already what it was like for him.

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    Post  mx109 on Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:44 pm

    i dont mean to offend it was just a question im wondering what about training and the corruption they alwas site here
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    Re: The "I want to join the Russian Army" Thread

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:59 am

    The western media will over emphasise corruption and bullying in Russia... because anything that makes Russia look bad is good in the west.

    Some of it is tradition and some of it is not even corruption... for instance... there are all sorts of claims about Putin having enormous bank balances... but then Dick Cheney left office to a very good paying job at Halliburton... a construction company that basically rebuilds all the countries the US has bombed in the last decade or three... Halliburton has had government contracts worth 40 billion dollars since Dick was there... if that isn't corruption I don't know what is.


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