VladimirSahin wrote:I wasn't saying what the fuck am I doing here, Because if I said that I will not be a true Russian soldier you must never doubt yourself. They will most likely take you to a foreign unit if you are not a citizen but after being a citizen keep serving and apply for a Special Unit remember sometimes you don't even apply you get taken into a Special Unit. If you have any other questions about service and what to expect you may ask me.
Thank you friend, I was just wondering because I saw some people say that they will not accept anyone from a western country into the russian military let alone special forces unit. But I have also seen people say they will if you can become a russian citizen you have a shot at joining a special unit?
I also have British citizenship, but I have a Russian one too. I joined the Russian military in 2010 and of course I was distrusted for any sort of sensitive or front-line units but if I pushed for it I think I may have gotten into one of the less important ones at least, I did get the feeling that the guys who want it the most are the ones that end up there. Trouble is that at the time I didn't care enough but still I wouldn't say my service and where I ended up was a piece of cake albeit nothing as harsh as VladimirSahin's experience
A few months after I was demobilised I was called into the military commissions office and was offered to join a Spetsnaz unit but I declined, had a good job and everything by then.
Guess that they they can always use some native English speakers in units like those, so I think the opportunity is definitely there for you. But they need to trust you first; took them a while before they trusted me (I remember my phone being tapped in the early days, I would make a phone call and for the first second or so I'd hear some whispers followed by my voice echoing slightly when I spoke
Believe me I was asked plenty of times about why I joined, why I didn't join the British army instead, what I want to get out of it, do I plan to stay in Russia and so on. I always gave honest answers and so eventually they believed me I guess.
I think it's possible, what you want I mean. You're not the first guy to come here about this and won't be the last. I've written about it before, try and search through my posts or past topics.
Long story short - start learning Russian, and see if there are any avenues to get Russian citizenship (maybe family history, or some sort of relocation program to Russia for foreign specialists, etc...). At the same time, start toning your physique; priorities - push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, 100m sprints, 6km runs.
Make some progress on that and then come back and we can figure out what next for you.
P.S. About your back, potentially it could disqualify you, but there is a way around such things - don't mention them. You are not from the country and they don't have any files on record for you, any medical information. I don't remember an X-Ray being taken during the medical exam/commission, and there were a whole load of them; 1 before conscription and then a bunch in the first month. There was a Flourograph X-Ray taken a few weeks into service but it was of the lungs to test for tuberculosis.
I also have a condition that could have potentially disqualified me from service (or it might not, I dunno), albeit not a physical one - however I just kept mum about it, it's not written down on any file or record anywhere = it doesn't exist.
Once you get into your unit, they'll be stuck with you and won't want to get rid of you anyway; so get through to that and you def. shouldn't have any problems.
Thank you this helped me a lot, I am willing to stay in the russian army for 5-10 years if that means a place in spetsnaz, my scoliosis is not very noticable, one shoulder is slightly higher than the other, very slightly. But I dont have it so it is blatantly noticable, Infact one osteopath I saw thought I didn't have it and thought I just had a slight muscle inbalance until I actually got a spinal xray. Do they feel down the your spine to check for any curvuture during the medicals?
About the medicals, honestly I don't remember much - they were fairly thorough, but I don't remember X-Rays other than for the lung flourography photo, nor do I remember any spinal exams; although I could just be not remembering.
They will check visually however, so if anything sticks out visually it will be noticed, and from there they can conduct further examinations.
Probably not some minute disbalance in height though.
My advise, ask some other people, maybe use google translate on some Russian forums (just about any forum really, but there are some ones for military service, etc...) and ask them about the medicals and what they entail.
Spetsnaz training and tasks will of course entail paradrops and such operations. They can put a good amount of strain on your spine. You should be certain yourself, that your spine will hold up and that you don't have a serious condition. Get some doctor's opinions, talk to some military people.
Better to be rejected from the special forces, than end up in a wheelchair for life.
I don't think you will have to wait 5-10 years; if you get Russian citizenship beforehand then you can do a year's service in whatever unit, doesn't matter which one and then try and apply for the special forces.
Possibly they will offer it to you of their own accord; in which case you know they need you - and your chances of making it in rise dramatically.
If you don't get Russian citizenship beforehand that you might be able to join one of the foreign units which are constantly being discussed but so far nothing has been made concrete yet. I am convinced thought that one way or the other, there will be avenues open for foreign citizens to join the Russian military within the next few years. I think that it will be possible to get a combat-post off the bat as you'll be signing a contract, and from there you can try to move up to the Russian Spetsnaz.
The Russian Spetsnaz though will demand the highest standards of you, if they think you're not cut out for whatever reason, spinal or whatever, they can reject you - but then that's the same story with any other special forces in the world.
Your best chance, is just to train like fuck, get a v. good physique, and go for it anyway. There can be no guarantees, but if you need a guarantee about getting in just because you've spent years of your time on it - then it's probably not for you in the first place. There are no guarantees in the special forces; not about getting in, not about surviving, not about anything. All you can do, is maximise your chances with effort, sweat and concentration.
Thank you, I know there are no guarantees but I at least want a shot. I got a opinion for a professional spine surgeon, and from several physiothereapists and osteopaths/chiropractors. They said my spine is not a serious problem and its just an abnormal curve which causes no pain or discomfort. Do you know, can I even join the russian army as a british citizen? then from there get russian citizenship after 3 years?
Normally no, you can't join as a foreign citizen, with a few select exceptions (e.g. Armenian or Tajik citizens serving as servicemen in mostly non-combat roles, in the Russian military bases in those countries, with Russian citizenship not required), such an option will only be open to you after you get your Russian citizenship (which I think you can get after 3-5 years of living in the country especially if you have valuable skills).
However, I don't claim to know everything - in theory it's possible that they could make an exception, or look for a way to put you on the short-track for Russian citizenship; if you learn the language and convince them that service to Russia/Russian military is your goal. There have been such processes but mainly for athletes or other well-known people - such as Viktor Ahn or Depardieu
Those cases reached the highest levels of the Russian government, and Putin gave the order, the order was carried out and they got their Russian passport.
But I think that fame or athletic prowess isn't a necessity, nor is the publicity - it's quite possible that your case could be examined at high levels of the Russian government; if they are convinced that you are very serious about it and you have taken a lot of steps to fulfill this ambition already (learnt Russian, got ripped, etc...).
It might help if you get in touch with somebody from the Russian embassy; start writing and expressing, explaining your desire. I considered this approach myself just in case, although with me nothing like that turned out to be neccessery.
Alternatively you could try submitting your question to one of Putin's annual Q&A sessions, whereby he spends about 3 hours responding to selected questions out of the thousands submitted in the run-up to the end; they usually include a couple such weird/extraordinary questions or requests, and 1-2 ones from foreigners :)With some people they even invite them into the studio to ask Putin in person.
Secoundly, even if not any of that - like I said before there is some talk right now about setting up a foreign legion of sorts or at least, allowing foreign citizens to join the Russian military, possibly into specific units.
If that happens then you're all set; something like that will be more or less aimed at CIS citizens and maybe some from Asia, etc... so they'll certainly be surprised by Western interest, but since the legal framework will be in place, they will likely not refuse you; could never hurt to have some native English speakers. From there, you can gain Russian citizenship, and I would imagine that it would also be possible to end up in a Spetsnaz unit; if you fit and have what it takes, your native knowledge of the English language will be rated very highly by them.
The only thing is that such reforms have been talked about for years now, this subject pops up from time to time but nothing comes of it; just like the question of reburying Lenin which has been floating around since 1991
Still though, don't despair, it looks like they might well get round to making a decision this time round.
Don't worry about it too much for now. There will be avenues if you prove to be serious and determined. In the meantime, get started on the lingo