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    V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:35 am

    I very much suspect they are only interested in evaluating it as a system.

    I very much doubt there is any intent to purchase, but even if they did buy it because it had some super effective feature then they would use the launcher with Igla-S rather than a foreign missile.

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  medo on Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:07 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Isn't this the same stuff as the Russian Dzhigit system? WTF why does Russia even need to evaluate something like this? It sounds like quite basic technology.

    MANPAD and thermal imager is not something Russia doesn't have. Zipkin is from Turkey and Georgia is very much connected to NATO IADS through Turkey. I more think Russians evaluate Zipkin to get an eye on Turkish IFF, which also Georgia got and data com with C4I. This system also could well simulate NATO air defense complex in drills with NATO compatible C4I.

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:21 pm

    I think evaluation is the key... they evaluated the M16s and Negevs they captured in Georgia... and the US Humvees.

    Can't see there being any orders.

    Even the Georgian troops left the M16s and Negevs in storage at their bases and drew their standard soviet small arms for combat...

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:45 am






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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  Zivo on Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:59 am

    Wow, that's a weapon load Shocked

    Any info on that RWS?

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:11 am

    It is called Phoenix (fennics) and uses passive sensors with 360 degree coverage for the FLIR sensors in the turret which are used for search and detection and the box with digital video and s thermal imager and used to inspect the target and identify and engage with either 12.7mm HMGs or Igla Manpads.

    Here it is mounted on a Vodnik, but it can pretty much be mounted on all sorts of vehicle platforms.

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  medo on Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:44 pm

    Here it is mounted on a Vodnik, but it can pretty much be mounted on all sorts of vehicle platforms.

    I think Volk would be great with Phoenix AD module. 6x6 version would be big enough for additional reload missiles.

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:05 am

    I agree, but it looks to me like the new missile arrangement with four missiles instead of two blocks the view of the main 360 degree sensors. Perhaps an improved sensor arrangement might be an improvement.

    I remember that the SA-13 also had all sorts of sensor boxes fitted to it that were designed to detect radar and radio emissions... like terrain following radars and radio altimeters used on aircraft and missiles to prevent flying into the ground in bad weather and at night.

    These sensors are passive but useful to alert the system that something is coming and which direction to look to find it without emitting anything and giving away your presence.

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  medo on Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:19 pm

    I read, that Russians want to install Komar turret with Igla SAMs (similar to naval Gibka) on Tigr vehicle. Any more news about this Tigr version or about Komar turret?

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:37 am

    I haven't heard anything, but it would make sense to use the technology this way rather than introducing all sorts of different things all doing ultimately the same thing.

    I would suspect the stabilisation systems on the Gibka would be fairly good to allow its use in rough sea conditions. Transfering that to the land vehicle might enable fire on the move capability.

    Some Gibka eye candy...







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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:55 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Some Gibka eye candy...


    This system is the one that registers a perfect "10" for "coolness effect"

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  medo on Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:39 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Some Gibka eye candy...


    This system is the one that registers a perfect "10" for "coolness effect"

    Like a small mean robot from SF movies. Wink

    This one could be just excellent on two seat pick up version of Tigr.

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:55 am

    The problem I have with most of those launchers is the missile modules don't look very strong and appear to sag.

    Unless they have an auto reload function I would like to see more solid looking pods with 6 to 8 missiles on each module.


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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  medo on Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:46 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem I have with most of those launchers is the missile modules don't look very strong and appear to sag.

    Unless they have an auto reload function I would like to see more solid looking pods with 6 to 8 missiles on each module.

    Igla MANPAD is not that heavy, because one man could carry it and use it. Strelets module is strong enough to carry 4 Igla missiles. Gibka turret on the photo is a model, but considering the size and assuming, that missile carrying army are from steel, they are strong enough to carry those missiles. On the other hand I agree with you, that it looks strange, that Strelets module have placed missiles under angle and not horizontally in line.

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:25 am

    The southern command under the gosooboronzakaza began to receive the first anti-aircraft guns and missile complexes of Tunguska, the press service of the southern military district.

    "Connection motor-rifle adopted by the southern military district in the Volgograd region received anti-aircraft cannon and missile complexes" Tunguska ", reads the statement, received by Interfax-AVN" on Monday.
    According to the press-service of ÛVO, unlike other PANTSIR-S1 anti-aircraft Tunguska possesses a solid area of the horizontal command 360-degree corner and corner of elevating cannons. Has radar-optical fire control system. Onboard radar permits a circular target detection at a distance of up to 18 km.

    Since the detection of the target before finishing its crew to strike 6-8 sec. Combat vehicle has a navigation system, as-built and guide for positioning.

    Hydromechanical transmission and hydropneumatic suspension with adjustable ground clearance ensure high cross-country ability and, despite the mass of 36 tons, ride on rough terrain, allowing you to build and effectively hit targets on the move.

    Range of 30-mm cannons up to 3 km, the rocket is controlled from the start of range from 15 to 3500 m, stated in a press release. The crew of 4 people. "Complex is intended for conducting air defense infantry and tank units on the March and in all forms of combat, provides low-flying air targets defeat," the press service said.

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:07 am

    Range of 30-mm cannons up to 3 km, the rocket is controlled from the start of range from 15 to 3500 m,

    Should be noted that these figures are not range, but altitude performance figures against aerial targets.

    Horizontal range for the guns is 4km and the missiles is about 10km.


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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:22 am

    George1 wrote:The southern command under the gosooboronzakaza began to receive the first anti-aircraft guns and missile complexes of Tunguska, the press service of the southern military district.

    I wonder whether these are the standard Tunguska's or the upgraded ones shown on recent MAKS shows

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  medo on Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:11 pm

    As I know Tunguska is no more in production. Maybe they are modernized Tunguskas or maybe tracked Pantsir keep the name Tunguska. Twisted Evil

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  Viktor on Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:33 pm

    More likely they are modernized radars with new battle algorithms for missiles and radar system coupled with

    new electronics and ability to network in with new generation of radar systems as well as other Tunguska systems making whole

    system more flexible and resistant.

    Same here ...

    Southern Military District received the first batch of SAM "Tor-M1-2U"


    Southern Military District received the first batch of anti-aircraft missiles "Tor-M1-2U." On this, as reported by RIA Novosti , the deputy chief of the press service of the SOUTH Colonel Oleg Kochetkov. According to him, by the end of 2012 will be fully staffed with such complexes defense units, placed in the Volgograd region.
    Delivery systems "Tor-M1-2U" is part of the state defense order for 2012. The troops of the new systems will replace aging short-range "Wasp", "Thor" and "Tor-M1". What is the number of new air defense system came in troops, and how many of these systems to be supplied to the end of 2012, Kochetkov not elaborate.

    "Tor-M1-2U", a modernization of the "Tor-M1", is intended to cover the anti-aircraft units and infrastructure of aircraft, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles and guided missiles. Complex is able to detect and track targets at ranges up to 30 kilometers and to simultaneously attack four of them, at an altitude of ten thousand feet.


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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  TR1 on Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:14 am




    Sosna.

    http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=513235&path2=http%3A%2F%2Fsmolensk.rfn.ru%2Fv%2F33709.flv&extFlv=1

    The video. Poor man's Pantsir?

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  xeno on Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:28 am

    First time to see a real Sosna instead of a model or a Photoshop.

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  medo on Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:30 am

    TR1 wrote:


    Sosna.

    http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=513235&path2=http%3A%2F%2Fsmolensk.rfn.ru%2Fv%2F33709.flv&extFlv=1

    The video. Poor man's Pantsir?

    Excellent Strela-10 replacement. I wonder if they will also place naval Gibka modul on Tiger or similar vehicle armed with Igla-S missiles.

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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:34 am


    Excellent Strela-10 replacement. I wonder if they will also place naval Gibka modul on Tiger or similar vehicle armed with Igla-S missiles.

    If anything it is a super Kornet-EM in the sense that it uses simple and cheap laser beam riding guidance and a rocket clearly optimised for high speed and low drag...


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    Re: V-SHORADS [Igla, Strela-10, Tunguska, Sosna-R]

    Post  Viktor on Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:52 am

    Great this will be great SA-13 replacement. Excellent find TR1.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:03 pm

    Zivo wrote:What's their reasoning behind developing both Boomerang, and the Kamaz 63969?

    They seem very similar. I doubt the Kamaz is amphibious, but what advantage does it have over Boomerang that warrants its service?

    The Kamaz should be a MRAP type vehicle

    Viktor wrote:Great this will be great SA-13 replacement. Excellent find TR1.

    Should be popular with Strela-10 (SA-13) users assuming it's reasonably priced. I wonder if the Rus. Army would be interested considering they use large number of Strela-10's

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