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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:51 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    The AK-12 has a removable non permanent Iron sight, it is mounted on a rail.

    Well I would count that as a fault for a standard infantry rifle... it is just something they can lose... and why would you ever take it off?

    For a special forces rifle that can be adapted to different calibres being able to change the iron sights could be useful for different calibres.

    It's not only the getting lost part, it's also getting loose. The moment that rifle starts losing zero because people will take the sight on and off for thorough cleaning, wear and stupidity will play a role.

    I understand you like the AK-12 for some reason, but you have to face it, the rifle is a hot mess and they need to get their act together,

    I like it because it took the AK-74... which I also like by the way, and they went through all the problems and issues... real and otherwise, and addressed pretty much all of them and even added a few interesting extras like the ability to fire NATO standard rifle grenades.

    I'm not sure once again that I would agree, they disavowed the 74 stampings and went for a new thermo-formation like the AEK. This gives you the typical stampings that you can compare with the old AEK. They even went as far as to have a rear slot instead of an integral sheet for the receiver, and then they went back and used an integral sheet.

    From the first point. They were so "retarded", that they picked up a different process for the first variant, then changed the process for the second variant, went back to classic stampings for the intermediate rifle and then fast forward with the thermo process for the last rifle.

    Like crazy man.

    It is the T-90AM of tanks, the Su-35S of Flankers... what is not to like...

    The AEK seems rather different but for no obvious advantage other than it is different.


    I'd say that it offers AK tractor tough process without needing to get worried about the BARS mechanism. It's a though piece done so there's no risk of detail breaks.

    The main advantage it brings is a balanced recoil mechanism and that is only really important in full auto fire... which in my opinion should only be used at short range and at fleeting targets... where precision and tight groups make no sense... a spray improves hit probability.

    The Bars allows you to have no worries going from single to full auto, the gun will behave very similarly and you'll have a linear kick from the rifle, if you'd need to get all funny on a pinch.
    If a balanced recoil mechanism was so critical then basing the AK12 on the AK-107 instead of the AK-74M is the obvious solution.

    Because the AL-7 BARS is less interesting, has more moving parts and more complexity than the AO-38. Simply put, the AK-BARS is the body of evidence that CK hasn't moved a cm from their rifle is fine mentality.

    However as I said, all this is nothing if the AK-12 shoots fine and reliably for the strelok, so far it was that aspect that the AK-12 tried to play catch up.


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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:51 pm



    Working prototype of the AK ALFA.

    Notice the discarding magazine system that is directly lifted from the AK 12.

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:02 pm

    Working prototype of the AK ALFA.

    Wow... they actually managed to make a gay AK...

    The only missing modification would be to make it electric pink and give it some tassels.


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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:19 pm

    It's even worse than that.

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:27 pm


    New LMG based on AK-12


    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3582331

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:02 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    New LMG based on AK-12


    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3582331

    Not on AK-12 but AK(AD)-400.

    Also notice NPZ PSU-1/4 with Commercial rubber coating. It's sold as Wolf Performance PSU1x4 outside Russia.





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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:08 pm

    New LMG based on AK-12

    Has the old AK safety catch, but I see an addition above the trigger are to allow the trigger thumb to raise and lower the safety catch... interesting.

    The ability to use two different barrels is interesting... long and short...

    They had a LMG with a changeable barrel in the RP-46 and it was replaced by the fixed barrel RPD and then the fixed barrel RPK...

    I suspect the ability to fit a short barrel or long barrel will make the weapon more flexible, and a shorter barrel with a suppressor would be interesting.

    I wonder if they will make it multi calibre too?

    Bolt, magazine, and barrel change kits to change between calibres would be interesting for export purposes, and also for armies that use different calibres.

    India for example could keep 5.56mm and 7.62 x 39mm calibre models and even Russia could go for a 5.45 x 39mm and 9 x 39mm pairing depending upon the situation.


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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Arctic_Fox on Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:31 pm

    New Kalashnikov compact Rifle:
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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:32 am

    So Kalashnikov based guns are now a thing of the past...fuck.

    Concern Kalashnikov has resurrected the Dragunov MA project with pretty much every length of barrel.

    Rifle, Carbine, PDW, DMR.

    A sad day for out Saint Patron...

    Also SVK has 2 different calibres from the pictures...Unified and 7.62?

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:54 am

    digital desert camo for the RPK-16 at 1:25 of the video:


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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Arctic_Fox on Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:32 am

    AK 400:








    AK 74M:




    AK 107:

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:46 am

    http://world.guns.ru/assault/rus/ma-e.html

    Bim...And there you go. Kalash going full Dragunov.

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Arctic_Fox on Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:29 pm

    RPK-16:










    haven't seen any AK12 on expo till now.

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Arctic_Fox on Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:32 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:http://world.guns.ru/assault/rus/ma-e.html

    Bim...And there you go. Kalash going full Dragunov.

    looks pretty good for some spetsnaz units like FSB

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:34 pm

    Arctic_Fox wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:http://world.guns.ru/assault/rus/ma-e.html

    Bim...And there you go. Kalash going full Dragunov.

    looks pretty good for some spetsnaz units like FSB

    Looks pretty good for all units with different barrel lengths.

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:18 am

    AK-12 and AK-15






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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:24 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Arctic_Fox wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:http://world.guns.ru/assault/rus/ma-e.html

    Bim...And there you go. Kalash going full Dragunov.

    looks pretty good for some spetsnaz units like FSB

    Looks pretty good for all units with different barrel lengths.

    But I thought you hated it? BTW is Max Popenko the luckiest man in the world?

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Zivo on Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:28 am

    TheArmenian wrote:AK-12 and AK-15


    I cant tell, is the receiver + handguard/shroud a single piece?

    It also looks like a 12 gauge muzzle brake and magazine.

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:00 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Arctic_Fox wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:http://world.guns.ru/assault/rus/ma-e.html

    Bim...And there you go. Kalash going full Dragunov.

    looks pretty good for some spetsnaz units like FSB

    Looks pretty good for all units with different barrel lengths.

    But I thought you hated it? BTW is Max Popenko the luckiest man in the world?

    Hated what? The rifle you see is not a Kalashnikov, but a Dragunov...

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:10 am

    Saiga MK-107




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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Gunfighter-AK on Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:05 am

    Had to look close to even tell that the new AK-74M and the AK-15 were two different rifles (before I looked at the gas block portions). Interesting. So, which one is relevant to Ratnik and the rifle replacement? The AK-12 or the AK-15?

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:09 am

    Keep in mind that ratnik is a soldier system used by many branches of the military so it will suit weapons from pistols to machine guns and everything in between.


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    Post  Gunfighter-AK on Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:04 pm

    GarryB wrote:Keep in mind that ratnik is a soldier system used by many branches of the military so it will suit weapons from pistols to machine guns and everything in between.

    Sorry, you'll have to excuse my American way of thinking. The last time we did a soldier systems program that included multiple weapons was OICW, if I'm not mistaken. I'm forgetting to look at Ratnik that way, instead of as a rifle competition.

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:36 am

    Here is the "motherload" of pictures of the guns shown at the Army-2016 exhibition:

    6 Pages of gun-porn

    https://fotki.yandex.ru/users/soustov/album/167135?

    and here is the first video of the SVK



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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:56 pm

    Actually that's the second one, KK has send promotional video to many Gun sites out there with most of the novelties...




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