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    I need information about AEK-971 and an-94

    Post  10misha10 on Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:29 pm

    I need information about AEK-971 and an-94 plz What a Face

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:00 pm

    Why don't you google it?

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    Post  10misha10 on Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:05 pm

    google not helping me...

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:35 am

    10misha10 wrote:google not helping me...

    Help you find what? There are plenty of info on wiki and other sites. If you don't specify what you want to know, this thread will be closed.

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Sukhoi37_Terminator on Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:04 pm

    An 94 called Abakan 94:
    Caliber: 5.45x39 mm
    Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt; moving barrel-receiver-gas drive group for delayed recoil action
    Overall length: 943 mm (728 mm with butt folded)
    Barrel length: 405 mm
    Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
    Weight, without magazine: 3.85 k g
    Cyclic rate of fire: 1800 and 600 rounds per minute variable (see description below for explanation)
    Maximum effective range: 700 meters

    The AN-94 assault rifle had been officially adopted by the Russian Army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs in 1994 as a possible replacement for the venerable Kalashnikov AK-74 series assault rifles. The AN index means "Avtomat Nikonova", or Nikonov Assault rifle. This rifle had been designed by the Gennady Nikonov, a Russian arms designer, at the IZHMASH state factories, during the late 1980s and early 1990s. This rifle, initially known as the ASN prototype, had been developed for and submitted to the Russian Army trial contest, held in the early 1990s. This contest, known under the code name "Abakan" (a small city in Russia), was intended to develop the more effective replacement for the AK-74 assault rifles. The ASN was tested among the many other prototypes and eventually won the trials, and was consequently adopted. Originally it was intended to replace most, if not all, AK-74 rifles in the Russian service, but it soon turned out that the complete replacement is impossible due to the economical (mostly) and some other reasons. At the present time the AN-94 is considered as the "professionals' choice", and is used in limited numbers by the elite forces of the Russian Army, police and Internal Affairs Ministry. The main body of the Russian armed forces are still armed with the Kalashnikov assault rifles, and AK-type rifles will remain in service for a long time, most probably.


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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Sukhoi37_Terminator on Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:09 pm

    AEK
    Caliber: 5.45x39mm (AEK-971), 5.56x45 (AEK-972) and 7.62x39mm (AEK-973)
    Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt, balanced
    Overall length: 965 mm
    Barrel length: 420 mm
    Weigth: 3.3 kg without magazine
    Magazine capacity: 30 rds, all standart AK-47 or AK-74 magazines depending on caliber

    The AEK-971 assault rifle was developed at Kovrov Machinebuilding Plant (formerly known as Kovrov Machineguns Plant) by chief designer S.I. Koksharov. Originally designed and tested during 'Abakan' trials of late 1980s, it failed in trials, but its development was continued in hopes to sell the gun to police forces and for export. During early 2000s small batches of AEK-971 rifles in 5.45x39 caliber were manufactured for Russian MVD (internal affairs ministry) troops, but its production has ceased in 2006, as Kovrov Machinebuilding Plant got rid of all military production and switched to civilain products only. All plans, tools and technological packages for AEK weapons were transferred to the ZID plant in the same city, but production of the AEK-971 was not resumed due to the lack of orders that might warrant expensive tooling and production setup at new factory.

    The AEK-971 assault rifle has a gas driven, balanced action with rotating bolt locking. Balancing mean that AEK971 gas drive has two gas chambers and two gas pistons. The first gas piston is linked via a gas rod to the bolt carrier and operates as usual. The second gas piston is linked to a balancing steel weight and moves in the opposite direction to the main gas piston. Both pistons are synchronized through a simple gear. This design is intended to eliminate three of the four elements of action impulses, which cause a rifle to move during full-auto fire. The first impulse is received when the bullet moves along the barrel - this is the basic recoil itself. The second impulse is received when the heavy bolt carrier/bolt group moves along the receiver back and forth. The third impulse is received when bolt carrier/bolt group slams against the receiver in the rear position, and the fourth when this group is stopped in the forward position after a new cartridge is chambered. The synchronous and opposite movement of the balancing weight eliminates all except the recoil impulse, so the rifle becomes far more stable during full-auto fire.
    The gain in accuracy in full auto is about 15-20%, when compared to the AK-74 assault rifle in the same caliber. The AN-94 assault rifle, which was officially adopted by Russian army, has a slight edge over the AEK-971 only in short burst (2 rounds only) mode. In full-auto medium or long burst fire mode (3-5 or 7-10 rounds per burst) AEK-971 wins hands down, being also some 0.5kg lighter than the AN-94, and much simpler and cheaper to manufacture.


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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  10misha10 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:37 pm

    Sukhoi37_Terminator wrote:An 94 called Abakan 94:
    Caliber: 5.45x39 mm
    Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt; moving barrel-receiver-gas drive group for delayed recoil action
    Overall length: 943 mm (728 mm with butt folded)
    Barrel length: 405 mm
    Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
    Weight, without magazine: 3.85 k g
    Cyclic rate of fire: 1800 and 600 rounds per minute variable (see description below for explanation)
    Maximum effective range: 700 meters

    The AN-94 assault rifle had been officially adopted by the Russian Army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs in 1994 as a possible replacement for the venerable Kalashnikov AK-74 series assault rifles. The AN index means "Avtomat Nikonova", or Nikonov Assault rifle. This rifle had been designed by the Gennady Nikonov, a Russian arms designer, at the IZHMASH state factories, during the late 1980s and early 1990s. This rifle, initially known as the ASN prototype, had been developed for and submitted to the Russian Army trial contest, held in the early 1990s. This contest, known under the code name "Abakan" (a small city in Russia), was intended to develop the more effective replacement for the AK-74 assault rifles. The ASN was tested among the many other prototypes and eventually won the trials, and was consequently adopted. Originally it was intended to replace most, if not all, AK-74 rifles in the Russian service, but it soon turned out that the complete replacement is impossible due to the economical (mostly) and some other reasons. At the present time the AN-94 is considered as the "professionals' choice", and is used in limited numbers by the elite forces of the Russian Army, police and Internal Affairs Ministry. The main body of the Russian armed forces are still armed with the Kalashnikov assault rifles, and AK-type rifles will remain in service for a long time, most probably.


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    The AEK and AN-94 are in use Russian army???

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Sukhoi37_Terminator on Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:08 pm

    The Russian army compared both riffles and choosed the An94, to replace older Ak74M.
    MVD troops have already reviced their new Nikonov Assault riffles. However the biggest part of the Russian army still use the AK74m and AKS74m. In a few word the AN 94 is in limitated service, but soon it will have wider usage.
    The AEK 971 isn`t in production or usage.

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    Post  10misha10 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:36 pm

    Sukhoi37_Terminator wrote:The Russian army compared both riffles and choosed the An94, to replace older Ak74M.
    MVD troops have already reviced their new Nikonov Assault riffles. However the biggest part of the Russian army still use the AK74m and AKS74m. In a few word the AN 94 is in limitated service, but soon it will have wider usage.
    The AEK 971 isn`t in production or usage.
    ok ty and one more why AEK isn't in production?

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:07 pm

    Izhmash is going to be making a revolutionary AK in the near future, this will be the new standard infantry weapon.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:30 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:Izhmash is going to be making a revolutionary AK in the near future, this will be the new standard infantry weapon.

    A possible Bullpup assault rifle? I cannot wait!

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Wed May 26, 2010 8:46 pm

    Russia to test new model of Kalashnikov assault rifle in 2011

    RIA Novosti

    16:5725/05/2010 MOSCOW, May 25 (RIA Novosti) - State tests of the new model of Kalashnikov automatic rifles will be held in Russia next year, Izhmash Director General Vladimir Grodetsky said on Tuesday.

    The new model of the legendary assault rifle, the AK-200, is based on the AK-74M and differs in weight (3.8 kilograms/8.4 lbs vs. 3.3 kilograms/7.3 lbs) and the magazine capacity (30, 50, 60 rounds vs. 30).
    The AK-74, a developed version of the Kalashnikov rifle's first model, the AK-47, was introduced in 1974 and used by the Soviet forces during the Afghanistan conflict.

    The AK-47 was originally created by Mikhail Kalashnikov, who as a WWII soldier was inspired to design the weapon after being wounded in 1941. While his first attempts were unsuccessful, he was given a position in weapons development, and by 1947 he had perfected his masterpiece.

    Since then, the AK-47 has become the most widespread and famous assault rifle. Used by some 50 armies around the world, as well as countless urban guerrilla movements, it is also featured on the flag of Mozambique.

    Kalashnikov received Russia's highest honorary title on his 90th birthday last November. Accepting the award, Kalashnikov voiced regret that his creation, the world's most widely used rifle, has been often misused.

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev described the AK-47 at the ceremony as "an excellent model of Russian weaponry" and "a national brand that makes each citizen proud."

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100525-rianovosti02.htm

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Thu May 27, 2010 4:51 am

    I am guessing the extra weight is due to the larger ammo capacity?

    Wonder if it has a balanced recoil mechanism like the AK-107 and 108?

    Also wonder if it might be a bullpup design like the ADS, though the ADS is a KBP design as is the A-91M rifle it is based on.

    The news on this page with lots of very dark uninforming pictures suggests it will not be a bullpup design..

    http://www.izhmash.ru/rus/news/250510.shtml

    ...and now that I look at them closely I think that the second image is a shotgun variant, and that other rifles pictured include an SVDS with a suppressor and other weapons rather than one particular new rifle.

    Perhaps it will be the AK-200 series, a replacement for the AK-100 series that updated the AKM rifles to AK-74M standard and introduced 5.56mm calibre models as well as introducing a new carbine variant of each calibre that had a shorter barrel but not as short as the AKS-74U.

    Perhaps this new series (AK-200) adds in sniper rifles and light machineguns (the RPK-201 was the RPK-74M in 5.56mm NATO to compliment the 5.56mm AK-100 series rifle and carbine) to make a full family of Russian and western calibre options with options to use western and Russian sights and gear with siderails and picatinny rails for all the stuff to hang from your weapon.

    If they make a 7.62 x 51mm Pecheneg then that could be added to the family as well, so you could have assault rifles, carbine versions of the assault rifles, LMG versions of the assault rifles, sniper rifles in two or more calibres, Medium machineguns in two calibres and automatic military shotguns as a pretty comprehensive family... especially if they include the Bizon SMG and the Vityaz SMGs to the family as they are both based directly on the AK design too.

    The problem here is of course... what is there to test if the Russian Army is going to stick with the 5.45mm calibre then except for a few extra weapon rails there is not much new for the bog standard AK-74M.

    On the link above it mentions the sniper rifles SV-98, SV-99, and SV-338, now I know the SV-98 is a 7.62 x 54Rmm rifle that is a bolt action, while the SV-99 is the rifle sold as Sobol, and is a .22lr calibre rifle with a biathlon type action, but has anyone got any info on the SV-338? Is it a SV-98 enlarged for the 338 round?

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Austin on Thu May 27, 2010 9:16 am

    This is the one from AK-200 series looks like a preproduction model




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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 27, 2010 12:45 pm

    In that lower picture from Austin it looks like it does have a balanced recoil type gas system, which seems to extend to near the muzzle while what appears to be the front iron sight is set well back...

    Very strange.

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu May 27, 2010 11:41 pm

    Austin wrote:This is the one from AK-200 series looks like a preproduction model




    Thank you for photos! Cool

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu May 27, 2010 11:58 pm

    Legendary Kalashnikov assault rifle: History and prospects

    RIA Novosti

    21:2926/05/2010 MOSCOW. (Ilya Kramnik, RIA Novosti military commentator) - The Russian armed forces will continue using firearms based on the assault rifle Mikhail Kalashnikov designed in 1947. Vladimir Gorodetsky, director of the Urals-based Izhevsk Mechanical Plant (Izhmash), which produces the legendary assault rifles, told this to the media on May 25.

    Next year, the Defense Ministry will start testing a new model of Kalashnikov, the AK-200. The new model is lighter than its predecessor and has a more ergonomic design. However, the total weight of the device will be 3.8 kg (up from 3.3 kg), due to additional equipment, including a scope sight and a target-marking laser.

    Do these improvements meet the current needs of the Russian army, or modern fighting practices more broadly? To answer this question, one needs to study complaints made about the most widely used and distributed military firearm in history.

    1. Lower precision in single shot fire compared to similar Western models and noticeable climb in fully automatic fire, especially with the 7.62 mm version.

    2. Difficulty in installing modern scope sights.

    3. Non-ergonomic handle.

    4. Obsolete open-barrel sight.

    Most of the precision problems in basic AK models have been resolved by improving the quality of mass-produced rifles and ammunition, analysts say. Sometimes there can be a great difference between different Kalashnikovs of the same model but made by different producers in different countries because of production quality, components and ammunition.

    As for the climb and recoil problems, they stem from details in the design itself; correcting those would require structural improvements, at least as significant as in the AK 107/108 versions, where the recoil is weaker due to its more balanced automatic mechanism. Such changes would eventually require designers to generate a whole new design concept for the firearm, which is impossible in the current economic situation.

    Another option would be to use new recoil control devices (compensators).

    The difficulty of installing scopes is due to the receiver cover's design: optical sights cannot be attached to it. The sights, fitted with a Picatinny attachment, would need to be adjusted whenever the cover is lifted or replaced.

    Until recently, the sights were fitted to Kalashnikovs using a bracket on the left side of the receiver, significantly limiting the range of sights that could be used. The Picatinny gas tube attachment was introduced for the AK-200 series to solve this problem and the receiver cover was also improved. It is hinged to the receiver at the front and flips up, increasing its overall rigidity. Picatinny rails compatible with a range of optical and collimator sights can be installed on the rigid receiver.

    Many professionals recognize the Kalashnikov's original open barrel sight as obsolete. Other experts argue that it is quite effective in open combat and only requires minor improvements.

    Overall, the AK-200 series is a significant upgrade of the basic rifle, and the improvements made have not required a dramatic upgrade in production lines.

    Russia's Interior Ministry and Federal Security Service are already buying small batches of new series firearms. Commercial production has to wait until the Defense Ministry's tests are complete. If the AK-200 goes into production, it would mean Russia joining the international trend towards improving existing models rather than re-inventing "the firearms of tomorrow," which saw only limited progress. Basic models can be upgraded by ergonomic design and added cutting-edge equipment.

    Russia is in a better position than other countries as it escaped all those "firearms of tomorrow" projects thanks to events of the past 20 years.

    The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100526-rianovosti04.htm

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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 28, 2010 1:44 am

    So it is just making the AK-74 more like an M4... how boring.

    The issue with the rail mount system is amusing, only western stuff will fit for the moment so what they are saying is they want to fit western stuff to their rifles.
    Russian scopes have fitted on the side rail for decades now without problems, but now they want to accessorise their rifles with western bling like torches and front grips.

    Would have been more impressed if they developed their own system that included attachable torches and scopes and lasers etc.

    Look at the innovation with the under barrel grenade launcher, that just clips on to pretty much any AK like a bayonette and clips off just as quickly.

    They say that an expensive fundamental change that will dramatically improve performance is not affordable, so why bother with the fanfare about such a cosmetic change. Just mass produce those 50 and 60 round mags and that is the main improvement.

    What is your opinion on this Vlad?

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:39 am

    You can see the AK-200 clearly in this video:

    http://www youtube.com/watch?v=jXONA4YZX0A

    Note add a dot between www and you to make the link work.

    The weapon is visible for about 10 seconds from about 1 minute 50 onwards.

    It has a picatinny rail on top from the rear of the receiver right to the front of the gas tube and presumably another rail below the front stock with a front grip attached with a light on it. The lump on the top rail above the lower grip is a folded down iron sight and at the very rear of the top of the receiver is a small scope. Based on what Russian Patriot has posted here I would expect a folding peep sight under or near the rear scope that can be used when the rear scope is not fitted.
    It appears to have a triangular folding rear stock, but details like the safety are hard to see. I can't tell if it has a burst mode or if it is just safe/single shot/and full auto.
    The 60 round mag is interesting too.
    I guess all the Russian makers of optics and accessories are going to have to make new models of their scopes for this new design.

    There is talk of the 30 round, the 50 round and a 60 round mag, presumably the latter are quad stack mags. I wonder if they applied the same to the 45 round mag of the RPK-75 to create a 90 round mag?
    That 90 round mag would look cool on an AKS-74U... Smile
    Anybody know what happened to a planned flat pan 90 round mag for the RPK-74 that has the rounds lying flat in a horizontal flat pan shaped magazine? That would be much better because the 45 round mag is long and could monopod in many situations.

    BTW I would expect the rear receiver is hinged like the AKS-74U was years ago, but to make the rear receiver more rigid they probably have not used the normal recoil spring attached button, but a latch like on the SVD to secure the rear receiver.
    The more things change the more they stay the same.
    I wonder if they will need a new GP-25/-30/-34 grenade launcher design to fit the new rail system.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:40 am

    I have been told one of the key reason why AK did not make in big numbers in Indian SF is because it lacked picatinny rail . so AK-200 having it is a welcome change.

    Is it true that the newer AK-100 model did not make a big sucess like the older AK-47 and AK-74 series ? Was there any issue in adopting AK-100 series ?

    It seems AK-47 and 74 remains a weapons of choice for terrorist world over and not the new AK-100 series.

    Another video of AK-200 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXONA4YZX0A

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:14 am

    I have been told one of the key reason why AK did not make in big numbers in Indian SF is because it lacked picatinny rail . so AK-200 having it is a welcome change.

    The picatinny rail is a US mounting system that western makers of accessories create products for. AK-74M uses a sideplate on the receiver for scopes and an extra rear mounted bayonet lug for mounting its under barrel grenade launcher.

    AFAIK the AK-200 is supposed to be a low cost upgrade of the AK-74M for Russian service, so I think it makes little sense to fit such a weapon with a rail system to use foreign accessories. It is kinda like the US making their next assault rifle compatible with AK magazines because they are better made and cheaper than the cheap M16 mags.

    I guess now that it has been revealed that Russian optics and accessories makers have seen it they will start making new systems for the new rail system and now they can sell such equipment internationally too.

    Is it true that the newer AK-100 model did not make a big sucess like the older AK-47 and AK-74 series ? Was there any issue in adopting AK-100 series ?

    As far as I know the AK-100 series has been selling well. Venezuela alone bought a factory to make 100,000 AK-103s (in 7.62 x 39mm) and also a factory to make the ammo too. Vlad said they are much better made and more accurate than older rifles, and he should know.
    The AK-100 series rifle with a standard barrel length in 5.45mm is the AK-74M which is the current standard Russian service rifle. I have no idea about the AK-105 with a shorter barrel in the same calibre, but for paratroopers and troops from APCs the smaller size weapons would be useful, while the crews of the vehicles will probably continue to use AKS-74Us as an even more compact weapon that is for self defence rather than normal use so the very short barrel and lack of accurate range wont be a problem.

    It seems AK-47 and 74 remains a weapons of choice for terrorist world over and not the new AK-100 series.

    Ummm... excuse me... what?

    Plenty of terrorist organisations throughout central and south America use M16s.
    Kurdish terrorists in Turkey often use HK G3s.

    The AK series is popular because it is available and it is cheap and it gets the job done.
    The new AK-100 series is not as cheap, but is more effective for a properly trained soldier. There are over 100 million AKs floating around the place with the vast majority being older models. When the Soviets were in Afghanistan the vast majority of AKs in the hands of the terrorists were supplied by the CIA and they were either from captured Arab sources via Israel or they were purchased from China. China made a fortune out of that war. The CIA would buy billions of rounds and hundreds of thousands of rifles and not care what happened to them. It is no surprise that such weapons pop up so often.

    Regarding the AK-200 it seems to me that this is a stopgap till something revolutionary comes along that is worth the cost of a brand new design. The deployment of ADS rifles to the VDV and one assumes perhaps the Russian Navy is more interesting to me. Just looking at the video of the AK-200 I would guess that it has a balanced recoil system simply because that would not change the design too much and would not make operation of the weapon too different.
    I think the peep Iron sights will be a bit of a problem... I personally prefer the older iron sight arrangement.

    There is talk of Iraq wanting Russian small arms so I would expect a signficant order for AKs from them at some stage, probably including an initial large order of rifles and a factory to make more to meet their needs.
    I would expect at some stage Afghanistan will do the same.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:30 am

    Picatinny rail would mean the options to attach many western system exist , India has the habit of buying some base Russian system and adding western equipment to it to suite its needs. So this is really good news for export prospects for AK-200.

    Indian SF has right now standardised mostly on Israel Tavor.

    Yeah the CIA created most of the mess that we today and now they are hunting those who were fed by them in 70's,80's , call it change of fortune or officially "War On Terror"

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:18 pm

    And I agree that it makes sense for AKs that are to be exported.
    But unless the Army is going on an accessory shopping binge making the next standard AK compatible with western extras seems a little strange, unless they have forewarned all the Russian makers of parts that they were going to do this.

    Or perhaps they are making their own extras and want the Russian Army to buy these.

    In the long term I think it would be good for Russian kit makers because their presumably cheaper products could be sold on the western market without adapters etc.

    Afghanistan and the Soviet Union were friendly countries largely leaving each other alone, till the CIA decided to interfere. The Afghans prefer AKs because that is what they were trained with when they were in the army. A few coups and the threat of a CIA base in Afghanistan led to a conflict that continues to this day.
    The real problem for Russia is that more poppies are grown in Afghanistan than the rest of the world combined. Those Afghan farmers are producing raw opium at an enormous rate and no one is stopping them. It seems gun battles in Jamaica to get drug lords is OK with the US, but the farmers that grow more raw opium in a year than that guy has seen in 10 years are ignored... because the US doesn't care about stability in Jamaica, but in Afghanistan they want to keep everyone happy it seems. After 1989 when the Soviets withdrew they wouldn't have cared either and poppy fields would have been bombed if they could be bothered. Now they have troops there.
    When they leave and the Taleban take over again the poppy fields will be burned.

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:33 am

    It seems this new weapon is called SP-3.

    Now being a stupid foreigner that doesn't speak or read Russian, I do know the P in a Hind designation means that it is cannon armed, so the P in this designation might also stand for cannon. The S in Soviet and Russian small arms usually means sniper, as in SVD and SV-98 etc etc, but I would doubt they would use such a weapon against a single person target as it would be overkill.
    It is either an anti material weapon or a support weapon, but considering they already have the AGS-30, which with the GPD-30 grenades already has a range of over 2km that can fire in bursts and is already deployed I would think this SP-3 is something different.
    The main difference would be time of flight of the projectiles at max range, with the SP-3s rounds reaching 2km in about 3-4 seconds and the AGS-30s rounds reaching in maybe 15 or 20 seconds, and the kinetic power will also be quite different, with 30 x 165mm rounds in APDS penetrating 20mm steel armour at about 2km, while the AGS-30 would have little kinetic energy a shaped charge version might penetrate 40-50mm for a charge of that calibre.

    The fact that it is called SP-3 is interesting too, it suggests earlier models, perhaps 23 x 115mm or 23 x 152mm depending on what the purpose of the system is.

    Perhaps it is the cannon equivelent of the special forces portable single shot 122mm grad rocket launcher. You carry it in, set it up, fire a few decisive shots (ie into the sides of a Patriot missile box to damage the missile inside) from the safety of 2km from the target and then leave.

    Of course it would probably be easier and cheaper to carry in a METIS-M launcher and a couple of missiles to have both guided accuracy and also more punch on target.

    Edit:
    I am thinking now that it is probably a portable anti MRAP weapon for special forces.


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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles / Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  NationalRus on Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:27 pm

    looks like a upgradet AK-74, don't expect any super weapon with smart bullets, well "at last" it sems to have a balanced recoil mechanism

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