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    Re: IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News

    Post  Sujoy on Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:56 pm

    Werewolf wrote:They don't care about who they support if there were some militant libertarian anarchistic pacifist they would fund them to overthrow a government that is not ass licking US and when those same MLAP group would attack a country like Saudi who is already stuck with their entire head up the US rear they would fight the MLAP back.

    Bingo ! My vote .

    George1 wrote:thats not accurate. USA supported syrian opposition until the time that moderates were in charge of the anti-assad coalition. The dominance of radical elements made them to get neutral stance and even desire for assad to prevail as the "less evil"

    A bulk of those militants fighting against Assad came from various parts of Europe , Asia and Africa . The leadership was provided by Al-Qaeda . It's only now that the U.S is admitting that .

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/kerry-admits-many-al-qaeda-leaders-now-operating-syria


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    Re: IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:33 am

    "I don't care what the facts are, America is not to blame." George Bush Snr before he was elected US president.

    The simple fact is that the US does not have friends... it has interests.

    Its interests in keeping Russia weak and isolated means they support the peoples right to choose in Kosovo, but not in the Crimea or South Ossetia or Abkhazia or indeed eastern Ukraine.

    Doesn't make sense if you are interested in peace and democracy... makes perfect sense if you find which side is friendly to Russia and then automatically choose the other side as being the good guys.


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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:39 am

    Sujoy wrote:And in IRAQ they are bombing these same Sunni militants (ISIS).

    "US" is not bombing ISIS; they are just saying that or just putting up a show. "US" has created ISIS and directs every single move ISIS makes.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:31 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:They don't care about who they support if there were some militant libertarian anarchistic pacifist they would fund them to overthrow a government that is not ass licking US and when those same MLAP group would attack a country like Saudi who is already stuck with their entire head up the US rear they would fight the MLAP back.

    Bingo ! My vote .

    George1 wrote:thats not accurate. USA supported syrian opposition until the time that moderates were in charge of the anti-assad coalition. The dominance of radical elements made them to get neutral stance and even desire for assad to prevail as the "less evil"

    A bulk of those militants fighting against Assad came from various parts of Europe , Asia and Africa . The leadership was provided by Al-Qaeda . It's only now that the U.S is admitting that .

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/kerry-admits-many-al-qaeda-leaders-now-operating-syria


    this was after. In the begining even the president of syrian opposition (Syrian National Council) was christian. George Sabra. Was also al qaida member???

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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:33 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:And in IRAQ they are bombing these same Sunni militants (ISIS).

    "US" is not bombing ISIS; they are just saying that or just putting up a show. "US" has created ISIS and directs every single move ISIS makes.

    Exactly, it is the same case with Israel and Hamas, former Israeli politicians admitted it that Hamas has its roots in Israeli founding of this group to keep a conflict running and to have a justification of constant occupation,settlements and "defending themselfs" by killing thousands of innocents. They also say they are only targeting Hamas while the safest place in Gaza are the Hamas rocket launchers, not in UN schools,hospitals, News agencies or anything like that.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:32 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:And in IRAQ they are bombing these same Sunni militants (ISIS).

    "US" is not bombing ISIS; they are just saying that or just putting up a show. "US" has created ISIS and directs every single move ISIS makes.

    Exactly, it is the same case with Israel and Hamas, former Israeli politicians admitted it that Hamas has its roots in Israeli founding of this group to keep a conflict running and to have a justification of constant occupation,settlements and "defending themselfs" by killing thousands of innocents. They also say they are only targeting Hamas while the safest place in Gaza are the Hamas rocket launchers, not in UN schools,hospitals, News agencies or anything like that.

    I agree with your assessment of Israel/Hamas.

    Don't you think this kind of situation applies to "all" of the world? For example, isn't "US" setup by certain entities in the same fashion that Hamas, NATO, and others (also Israel) are?

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:45 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:And in IRAQ they are bombing these same Sunni militants (ISIS).

    "US" is not bombing ISIS; they are just saying that or just putting up a show. "US" has created ISIS and directs every single move ISIS makes.

    Exactly, it is the same case with Israel and Hamas, former Israeli politicians admitted it that Hamas has its roots in Israeli founding of this group to keep a conflict running and to have a justification of constant occupation,settlements and "defending themselfs" by killing thousands of innocents. They also say they are only targeting Hamas while the safest place in Gaza are the Hamas rocket launchers, not in UN schools,hospitals, News agencies or anything like that.

    I agree with your assessment of Israel/Hamas.

    Don't you think this kind of situation applies to "all" of the world? For example, isn't "US" setup by certain entities in the same fashion that Hamas, NATO, and others (also Israel) are?

    There's a term for creating your own Frankenstein (Israel creating Hamas) for your own political purposes, British intelligence were masters of this art, it's called the "Kitsonian counter-gang/psuedo-gang", the term was coined by brigadier-general Sir Frank Edward Kitson in his campagin against the Mau Mau anti-colonial movement of Kenya.

    When standard military operations and bombing failed to defeat the Mau Mau insurgency of Kenya in the 50s, the British created gangs of friendly tribesmen, who were pretending to be terrorists. These "pseudo gangs," quickly threw the Mau Mau on the defensive by befriending, then ambushing, genuine freedom fighters or guiding the British to freedom fighter camps. It should be noted that MI6 created Idi Amin to destroy the Mau Mau anti-colonial insurgency, and Sir Frank Edward Kitson wrote some books you may want to read in your spare time such as Gangs and Counter-gangs (1960) and Low Intensity Operations: Subversion, Insurgency and Peacekeeping (1971).

    A brief explanation of Kitsonian counter-insurgency tactics:



    So yes, in fact Hamas is a classic "Kitsonian counter-gang/psuedo-gang", they act like the perfect enemy for Israel (which makes them a psuedo-gang) but they also were responsible for Israeli divide and conquer tactics succeeding among the Palestinians because they (Hamas) hated and despised any and all things secular such as the PLO (which makes them a counter-gang). Bill Clinton could hug and shake hands with Yasser Arafat of the secular PLO (who was most likely poisoned by Mossad/Shin bet) but no U.S. president could do the same with Hamas leadership, which works perfectly for the Likudnik Neo-Cons who run Israeli policy. Hamas also supported the destabilization of Syria, because a) Hamas is just another branch of the Muslim Brotherhood and b) the fact that Hamas supported the destabilization makes them a psuedo-gang because Syria had a historical militant pro-Palestinian position.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:56 am

    Werewolf, magnumcromagnon,

    Thanks for the replies.

    I have evidence that the methods that the prole are being handled with is a lot more sinister. If you have time, you can visit the thread that I had started up a few months ago at the following link.

    History: Fiction or Science?

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    Re: IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News

    Post  Sujoy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:32 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:There's a term for creating your own Frankenstein (Israel creating Hamas) for your own political purposes, British intelligence were masters of this art,

    Yes, and therefore Israel today has no other option but to destroy Hamaz/Hezbollah .

    Notice the complete silence of the Sunni states like Saudi Arabai , Qatar , UAE etc  when it comes to condemning Israel's actions on the West Bank . That's because even these countries want Israel to destroy a predominantly Shia group like Hamas .

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:04 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:There's a term for creating your own Frankenstein (Israel creating Hamas) for your own political purposes, British intelligence were masters of this art,

    Yes, and therefore Israel today has no other option but to destroy Hamaz/Hezbollah .

    Notice the complete silence of the Sunni states like Saudi Arabai , Qatar , UAE etc  when it comes to condemning Israel's actions on the West Bank . That's because even these countries want Israel to destroy a predominantly Shia group like Hamas .

    Hamas is not a "Shia" group; they are "Sunni"; of course, this statement doesn't mean much really.

    Did you have time to check the link I provided in my last post?

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    Re: IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News

    Post  Sujoy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:04 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:"US" is not bombing ISIS; they are just saying that or just putting up a show. "US" has created ISIS and directs every single move ISIS makes.

    This is a great point Morpheus . I completely forgot . There are no video evidence of US fighters bombing ISIS . Even US TV stations are not showing any such pictures .


    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Did you have time to check the link I provided in my last post?

    Yes . I did . Valid observations .

    Would have been good if I would have understood Russian to understand what was being said in that interview .

    Still trying though to get hold of a good Russian course .

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:12 pm

    The monarchies of the Arab peninsula care only about one thing. The preservation of the family power. With the main powerhouse in the region the Saudis being a tiny minority in the country they rule they had to sell their souls to America to keep their grip and being ally with America means that you have to knee in front of David's star. This all are really well known. Problem is with Hamas being Sunni and pretty much anyone in the region being either Sunni or extremely weak (apart from Syria's Shiites so you got the message don't you?) their only hope is to ask for help to Iran but for a radical Sunni organization this is not the easiest link to establish in the world especially since the connection must be done through Egypt so Hamas unlike Hezbollah is inherently weak. Their involvement in the Syrian war was not a help either.

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    Post  Sujoy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:28 pm

    4 Currents Shaping the Middle East


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sunil-sharan/four-currents-shaping-the_b_5666282.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:37 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Did you have time to check the link I provided in my last post?

    Yes . I did . Valid observations .

    Would have been good if I would have understood Russian to understand what was being said in that interview .

    Still trying though to get hold of a good Russian course .

    There are the series of books translated to English that covers the subject.

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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:57 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Werewolf, magnumcromagnon,

    Thanks for the replies.

    I have evidence that the methods that the prole are being handled with is a lot more sinister. If you have time, you can visit the thread that I had started up a few months ago at the following link.

    History: Fiction or Science?

    If you like to know a different perspective of exactly "Who controls the past - controls the present and who controls the present controls the future"

    I really recommend reading the book writen by General Major Konstantin Pavlovich Petrov he wa General of Russian Space Forces and after his carreer has written a book called "Мёртвая вода" which translated to Dead Water, the book speaks about how easily humans are indoctrinated,conditioned and controlled to achieve certain goals. He also speaks about how Putin was set into Power with the lead roll to destroy russia, but turned out that he had tricked the 5th column which are known of the jewish families Khordokovsky,Berezovksy,Prokhorov,Saxorov, Abrahamovich and few more. He speaks mainly about how to control certain groups with lies he also made a video you would like it and find it interesting. Also who and why communism was brought to Russia from abroad.

    I forgot to add that General Major Konstantin P. Petrov was murdered for his work in 2009.

    Another book of him is "Тайны управления человечеством" which translates "Secrets of controling humanity".

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    Post  etaepsilonk on Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:23 pm

    Werewolf wrote:He also speaks about how Putin was set into Power with the lead roll to destroy russia, but turned out that he had tricked the 5th column which are known of the jewish families Khordokovsky,Berezovksy,Prokhorov,Saxorov, Abrahamovich and few more.

    But isn't putin a jew himself?

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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:30 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:He also speaks about how Putin was set into Power with the lead roll to destroy russia, but turned out that he had tricked the 5th column which are known of the jewish families Khordokovsky,Berezovksy,Prokhorov,Saxorov, Abrahamovich and few more.

    But isn't putin a jew himself?

    He is orthodox christian.

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    Post  etaepsilonk on Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:32 pm

    Werewolf wrote:

    He is orthodox christian.

    Oh, and what about Medvedstein?  Wink 

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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:36 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:

    He is orthodox christian.

    Oh, and what about Medvedstein?  Wink 

    Don't know for sure but probably jew.

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    Post  etaepsilonk on Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:40 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Don't know for sure but probably jew.

    I heard that jewishness spreads via physical contact, is that true?
    If so, shouldn't we be slightly worried about that?


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    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:24 am

    Iraqi PM al-Maliki resigns

    KUWAIT CITY, August 14, 23:57 /ITAR-TASS/. Iraq’s incumbent Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki announced his resignation on Thursday and offered support to his successor.

    UN chief supports appointment of new Iraqi premier

    On Monday, Iraqi President Fuad Masum asked parliament Deputy Speaker Haider al-Abbadi to begin forming a new government. Under the Constitution, a new government has to be formed within 30 days.

    U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon welcomed the appointment of Haider al-Abbadi as the new prime minister of Iraq and urged all parties in the country to respect its Constitution.

    Ban urged the new prime minister “to form a broad-based government acceptable to all components of Iraqi society, in accordance with the constitutional time-frame”, the secretary-general’s spokesperson said.

    The U.N. chief expressed concern that “heightened political tensions coupled with the current security threat of ‘Islamic State’ (IS) could lead the country into even deeper crisis”.

    He strongly urged “all political parties and their supporters to remain calm and respect the political process governed by the Constitution”.

    “The people of Iraq deserve to live in a safe, prosperous and stable country - one that all groups in Iraq, including religious and ethnic minorities, can meaningfully contribute to and feel as their own,” Ban said.

    Al-Abbadi’s nomination was announced by the National Alliance and approved by the president of the country. The National Alliance is a broad-based coalition of Shi’a Islamic parties, including the State of Law coalition headed by former Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. His coalition, which has a majority of votes in the parliament, opposed al-Abbadi’s appointment.

    Initially, al-Maliki opposed al-Abbadi’s appointment as the new prime minister and said it was a gross violation of the Constitution.

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    Post  Mike E on Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:59 am

    Medvedevevdevdevev (as I call him) is also orthodox... He also has no Jewish roots in modern history, soooooooo... Nothing to worry about!

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:31 am

    Even if he was... what would it matter?

    Being one religion or another means nothing at all unless you are a bigot.

    Not all jewish people are rich.. not even all jewish people support the existence of Israel.


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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:43 pm

    All jewish people are bigots based on their religion. Seperating people in Ubermensch (God chosen) and (animal servents) non jews.

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