Regular wrote: Vann7 wrote: etaepsilonk wrote:
As you can see, such towers would be so expensive that drones become simply a more cost effective system.
No , what i see is that is a waste of time to argue with Ignorants.. That believe Watchtowers no one uses them and proved you WRONG.. and later change its argument about being to expensive or not high enough.. LOL whatever makes you happy. Stay that way i dont care is your problem. on a flat terrain you dont even need elevation to observe up to 20km away.. from where artillery is being launched. Go back to school. The same videos uploaded of artillery clearly show is possible to see up to ~15km- ~20km away in plain sight from where artillery comes. Enough to send Attack helicopters or attack drones and wipe them. a 100ft watchtower with special cameras will be more than enough to detect exactly from where the artillery attacks comes.
I don't want to be harsh on You, maybe You have a condition or You are just naive.
But keep in mind that what You are not a genius, Your idea You are trying to "sell" here already exists in similar more mature forms. It's like You just came up with idea of bicycle, but with square wheels.
1 - Flat terrain. It's not so common and there is plenty of vegetation too.
2 - Good luck detecting Smerch that can fire from distance way beyond visual contact.
3 - Visual detection, flash/sound ranging is a thing of WW2.
Look at Zoopark 1M system video
https://youtu.be/xBFg3iGcL4M?t=1m50s
4- Helicopters, drones... How many attack drones Russia have?
And helicopters are toast if there is decent AD in work.
So you are saying then, that Israel watchtowers are obsolete? LOL
They rely a lot more than anything on watchtowers to spot from where attack came across the border. this is because the resistance they fight use a lot rocket grenades or mortars or missiles with just 10km to 30km ranges.
In more than a few scenarios you can spot locations of enemy all the way to 20 to 30km away that is firing artillery. So watchtowers comes extremely useful in such cases , it also can spot movement of troops something that your smerch missiles cannot do .Israel use watchtowers ,only a idiot will not see how useful and important they are ,specially when your are constantly attacked at the borders. The last artillery attack on Russia border ,was clearly a not with smerch missiles but short range ,because was aiming at 10 border guards that came close to Ukraine border 300m away ,and were investigating claims of unexploded bombs on their territory. SO anyone firing on Russia have spotters and spies that monitors the Russian border and aims directly at russian service man.
1)So smerch are not ideal for monitoring your border. sarcasm.
2)Drones are not ideal either for monitoring if they are being shot down.
3)AIrforce flying close the border is risky ,if the border is very hostile and armed with manpads.
4)You cannot shot down watchtowers . they do not fly. and if they are shelled it will be a major attack on Russia
territory ,not just a toy drone shutdown.
Russia is being attacked from visual distance ,from 10km to 20km away..and artillery fire ,the flame from the artillery can be spotted with plain sight ~30km away. exactly like the videos recently uploaded.
So watch towers comes very handy in place. Toy drones are useful but they can be shot down with light fire easily .
Toy drones neither can detect enemy special forces using terrain as cover and moving slowly ,but a static camera can.A combination of Towers with toy drones will do it , have big and simple watchtowers near ukraine border and send toy drones to positions you suspect activity is happening and have Cameras in watchtowers 24hours fully monitoring the entire border 24hours. The towers cannot crash with simple machine gun fire ,you need good aim and heavy artillery and attacking them is an attack on Russian territory .Simple and effective and cheap and period.
I would rather counter artillery with artillery than over sophisticate things. Not sure about Russian precision strike capability, that can be used too.
But you totally IGNORE the political aspect of the conflict . That attacking another nation without showing any evidence to justify your actions could be used against Russia for sanctions. You need to fully documented evidence to JUSTIFY your actions on UN security council for any attack on another nation. THis is specially true if you are not an ally of the west. This is the problem with most of your arguments and others too , that do not understand how important is for Russia to fully document the reason for any of their actions. IF Russia do what you suggest , kiev can say Russia is helping the Rebels and that they never attacked Russia..see? or that Russia is just fabricating excuse to attack Ukraine.. see? Can your smerch missiles show evidence Russia was attacked by Ukraine? not it can't. Can your drones show evidence that Russia was attacked by ukraine.. yes.. but only if your lucky that the action happens ,in the time the drones is flying ..So this is why to fully monitor 24hours what happens across the border is important and also can be used to show the Ukraine national guard is indiscriminately shelling cities on civilians.
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This just doesn't make sense to me people. I cannot trust such heavy accusations without facts. If it happened, it could have been from anyone. What ? staged provocations are no new invention. I'm not trying to imply something but I have my doubts on such stories and it's more than justified. It's not like Ukraine would be really keen for a war with Russia considering how "powerful" and "stronk" they are ....
