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    Re: Mi-24/Mi-35M Hinds: News

    Post  mack8 on Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:17 am

    Check this out, Mi-35M with full DIRCM suite. Looking forward to see the Mi-28N with same:


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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:52 am

    mack8 wrote:Check this out, Mi-35M with full DIRCM suite. Looking forward to see the Mi-28N with same:


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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:44 am

    Thanks Mack...great to see

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    Re: Mi-24/Mi-35M Hinds: News

    Post  max steel on Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:56 pm






    Russian Top-Secret Mi-35MS Helicopter Caught on Camera Near Kremlin

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:35 pm

    Hi does anyone know if the MI-24 has ever been used as VIP transport? especially for heads of state, also if they have any pics including inside.

    I know the MI-8 has been used as such, but I think the MI-24 would be ideal VIP transport mainly due its speed and armour. any thoughts?

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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:22 pm

    I think now it is the first time it is dedicated to exactly that purpose. No version before that was specified for that but i am not so sure if never used as a VIP aircraft from time to time.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:53 am

    The cabin in the rear is a bit small to carry more than one or two people in comfort... the armour is only useful against small arms which makes it better protected than the much larger Hip family, but then the Hip has more room for fridges for bubbly and of course communications equipment etc.

    With DIRCMs both should be relatively safe from guided weapons, but unguided like a volley of RPGs will always be a problem...


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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:The cabin in the rear is a bit small to carry more than one or two people in comfort... the armour is only useful against small arms which makes it better protected than the much larger Hip family, but then the Hip has more room for fridges for bubbly and of course communications equipment etc.

    With DIRCMs both should be relatively safe from guided weapons, but unguided like a volley of RPGs will always be a problem...

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:The cabin in the rear is a bit small to carry more than one or two people in comfort... the armour is only useful against small arms which makes it better protected than the much larger Hip family, but then the Hip has more room for fridges for bubbly and of course communications equipment etc.

    With DIRCMs both should be relatively safe from guided weapons, but unguided like a volley of RPGs will always be a problem...


    the Mi-24 used in VIP role would only be used for shorter journeys where fridges etc woulnd't be needed, comms equipment woulnd't take that much room, install some seats and i am sure it would be comfy enough after it would only be short journeys, and if you used 3-4 MI-24 at a time some used as escorts, the enemy wouldnt have a clue as to which one was carrying the VIP as you would make all of them visually identical.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:05 am

    The purpose of the Mi-24 concept was for landing troops in smaller numbers on hot landing zones.

    Of course it was found that an Mi-24 landing troops can effectively use its weapons during a landing and that in effect using an Mi-8 made rather more sense as it has three exits so troops can get into and out of it faster and for troop transport time on the ground is critical.

    In the end they realised it made more sense to use Hips for troop transport and Hinds for support... I suspect they would make the same conclusions regarding VIP transport.

    The only exception would be if the threat was small arms for which the Mi-24 is better protected than the Hip.


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    Re: Mi-24/Mi-35M Hinds: News

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:00 pm



    Seems like prototype of DIRCM/MAW wingtip pod that at sometime was used/tested.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:51 am

    Mi-35M in Syria



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1727245.html


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    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:19 pm

    Russian Mi-35M helicopters in Syria equipped with on-board defense complex "Vitebsk"



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1839515.html


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    Post  Honesroc on Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:04 pm

    Russian Mi-25 helicopter crew killed in Syria

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    http://tass.ru/en/politics/887272

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:14 am

    wonder if anyone could answer these questions please.

    1) is there any differences in terms of performance (speed/ceiling height etc) and if so what specs are there between Mi-24 compared to Mi-24PN/Mi-35M

    2) The armour protection offered on the Mi-24 have read protection from 12.7mm i would have thought it would have been more.

    3) The armour protection offered on the Mi-28 have from various sources stating windshield 7.62-12.7mm and others state 12.7-14.5mm, not sure what the rest of the Mi-28 protection is. Read new blades are protected up to 30mm.

    4) The armour protection offered on the Ka-52. I would imagine similar to Mi-28.

    5) The armour protection offered on the Mi-8AMTSh/Mi-17, read it has armour plating i am only guessing but i would expect up to 12.7mm.


    any info would be great read so many conflicting reports and sources and guess this is the best place to get the facts.

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:23 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:wonder if anyone could answer these questions please.

    1) is there any differences in terms of performance (speed/ceiling height etc) and if so what specs are there between Mi-24 compared to Mi-24PN/Mi-35M

    2) The armour protection offered on the Mi-24  have read protection from 12.7mm i would have thought it would have been more.

    3) The armour protection offered on the Mi-28 have from various sources stating windshield 7.62-12.7mm and others state 12.7-14.5mm, not sure what the rest of the Mi-28 protection is. Read new blades are protected up to 30mm.

    4) The armour protection offered on the Ka-52. I would imagine similar to Mi-28.

    5) The armour protection offered on the Mi-8AMTSh/Mi-17, read it has armour plating i am only guessing but i would expect up to 12.7mm.


    any info would be great read so many conflicting reports and sources and guess this is the best place to get the facts.
    For the performance, the max speed of Mi-24 (335 km/h) is above of Mi-24PN and Mi-35M3 (~310 km/h) due to the foldable landing gears instead of fixed ones in Mi-24PN and Mi-35M3

    Mi-24PNs that RAF is using now have the worst general performance because they were the cheap upgraded version with old steel main rotor and old steel tail rotor beeing kept while the mass weight increased alot due to the IIR/ LRF system in nose and the ballast in tail. Mi-24PN Pilots had very negative feedback about their fly performance.

    Actually there were 2 versions of Mi-24P modernization, one was cheap Mi-24PN1 that RAF chose and the other was Mi-24PN2 with new engine VK-2500, new composite main rotor and new composite X-type tail rotor.

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    Re: Mi-24/Mi-35M Hinds: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:47 am

    2) The armour protection offered on the Mi-24 have read protection from 12.7mm i would have thought it would have been more.

    Actually 12.7mm protection is rather better than most helos... the weight involved in protection from that sort of threat is huge.

    The flat windscreens are proof of 23mm cannon rounds, but the bubble canopies are not bullet proof. Most of the shell is titanium and 12.7 resistant if not proof.

    Most normal helos you can cup a ball point pen and push it through the metal fuselage... they are light fragile things.

    3) The armour protection offered on the Mi-28 have from various sources stating windshield 7.62-12.7mm and others state 12.7-14.5mm, not sure what the rest of the Mi-28 protection is. Read new blades are protected up to 30mm.

    The reason behind the small thick windows on the Mi-28 is armour... I have seen videos of 14.5mm HMGs being set up next to the cockpit and fired directly into the glass with no internal flaking or cracks... the side armour should offer better protection than the glass.

    You would have serious trouble killing the crew with any small arm short of a rocket launcher.

    4) The armour protection offered on the Ka-52. I would imagine similar to Mi-28.

    The curved canopies are likely not bullet proof, but the windshields and armoured sides and bottom are probably very well protected.

    5) The armour protection offered on the Mi-8AMTSh/Mi-17, read it has armour plating i am only guessing but i would expect up to 12.7mm.

    The curved transparancies are likely not armoured... the armour plate on the Hip are the actual armour plates in front of the lower transparancies... actual sheet armour.

    The bigger the helo the less armour it can use because the more weight it take to get it to x level of protection...

    Protection is improving all the time with lightweight ceramic armour and of course self defence suites and kevlar and aramid liners.


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